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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2018 08:11 pm
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Hogan had creative control. If he'd wanted to put someone over, and I get his motivation for not wanting to, he would have. In this case, he very much did not.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2018 08:15 pm
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Hogan also made sure that Mike Awesome was involved and cost him those matches. Awesome deserved a better fate than he got in WCW, but it’s not like Hogan really jobbed for Kidman. If he had to go down, he made sure a 6’6”, 280 pounder who was best friends with his nephew was in the middle of it. Ultimately, it did nothing for Awesome though either.



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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2018 08:20 pm
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83 Weeks is my favorite podcast now.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2018 08:47 pm
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tamalie wrote: Hogan had creative control. If he'd wanted to put someone over, and I get his motivation for not wanting to, he would have. In this case, he very much did not.
The narrative is that he would not do a job for anyone, except you know, he did a job for that list of like 10 or 11 guys.  Again, Eric Bischoff said the creative control wasn't a big deal.  Once a guy like Hogan does a job for a guy like Kidman, it's not up to Hogan how Russo or any other promoter uses that guy going forward.  If Russo books him foolishly, that's not Hogan or any other talent's fault.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2018 08:54 pm
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srossi wrote: Hogan also made sure that Mike Awesome was involved and cost him those matches. Awesome deserved a better fate than he got in WCW, but it’s not like Hogan really jobbed for Kidman. If he had to go down, he made sure a 6’6”, 280 pounder who was best friends with his nephew was in the middle of it. Ultimately, it did nothing for Awesome though either.
It's not at all realistic for a 5'10" 190 pound guy to cleanly beat a 6'7" 275 pound guy.  It would make sense that he would need help.  It's not realistic when Rey Mysterio beats Nash either.  To me, that is foolish booking.
Vampiro needed Kidman's help to pin Hogan.  That makes sense too.  Weight classes are real.  If it's supposed to look somewhat real, little guys shouldn't be pinning big guys cleanly.  I don't remember Bruno getting pinned cleanly by a bunch of crusierweights, but nobody talks about that.  Because it's Hogan, it's all his fault, at least in the majority of the IWC.

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Hogan also made sure that Mike Awesome was involved and cost him those matches. Awesome deserved a better fate than he got in WCW, but it’s not like Hogan really jobbed for Kidman. If he had to go down, he made sure a 6’6”, 280 pounder who was best friends with his nephew was in the middle of it. Ultimately, it did nothing for Awesome though either.
It's not at all realistic for a 5'10" 190 pound guy to cleanly beat a 6'7" 275 pound guy.  It would make sense that he would need help.  It's not realistic when Rey Mysterio beats Nash either.  To me, that is foolish booking.
Vampiro needed Kidman's help to pin Hogan.  That makes sense too.  Weight classes are real.  If it's supposed to look somewhat real, little guys shouldn't be pinning big guys cleanly.  I don't remember Bruno getting pinned cleanly by a bunch of crusierweights, but nobody talks about that.  Because it's Hogan, it's all his fault, at least in the majority of the IWC.

It was pretty realistic when Royce Gracie was beating everyone in real fights. It’s not like Hogan was ever a legit bad-ass who had a prayer against anyone with real fighting skill. But it’s wrestling so none of that matters anyway. If people wanted to watch real fights they wouldn’t be watching wrestling. 



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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Hogan also made sure that Mike Awesome was involved and cost him those matches. Awesome deserved a better fate than he got in WCW, but it’s not like Hogan really jobbed for Kidman. If he had to go down, he made sure a 6’6”, 280 pounder who was best friends with his nephew was in the middle of it. Ultimately, it did nothing for Awesome though either.
It's not at all realistic for a 5'10" 190 pound guy to cleanly beat a 6'7" 275 pound guy.  It would make sense that he would need help.  It's not realistic when Rey Mysterio beats Nash either.  To me, that is foolish booking.
Vampiro needed Kidman's help to pin Hogan.  That makes sense too.  Weight classes are real.  If it's supposed to look somewhat real, little guys shouldn't be pinning big guys cleanly.  I don't remember Bruno getting pinned cleanly by a bunch of crusierweights, but nobody talks about that.  Because it's Hogan, it's all his fault, at least in the majority of the IWC.

It was pretty realistic when Royce Gracie was beating everyone in real fights. It’s not like Hogan was ever a legit bad-ass who had a prayer against anyone with real fighting skill. But it’s wrestling so none of that matters anyway. If people wanted to watch real fights they wouldn’t be watching wrestling. 


So what? Size and weight are historically a part of the story telling.  It's supposed to add realism to the product.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 22nd, 2018 12:15 am
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The Kidman thing was dumb and didn’t do much for Kidman’s career.

If WCW wanted to get a rub off of beating hogan they should have lined Booker T or Scott Steiner up to beat hogan and then have them stay hot long enough for it all to sink in.

Looking back I would have liked to have seen hogan lose to Flair and Vader early on but in the end it didn’t matter because business picked up regardless.



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