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Cody Rhodes & Young Bucks have officially announced All Elite Wrestling to debut later this year
Their first PPV will be All In 2: Double Or Nothing

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Free rally next Tuesday in Jacksonville right where Smackdown is taping to promote the event. All thevrecebtky departed ROH guys will be there including Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, and Scorpio Sky. B.J. Whitmer expected to work backstage.

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I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.

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Franchise wrote: I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.
I see that we are very much moving away from indies as we knew them. The indy scene has been carved up between several smaller leagues (and NXT) who sign talent to contracts that aren’t super prohibitive but are still contracts nonetheless. Everyone who has talent is going to be aligned with someone going forward. For example, just today MLW signed Davey’s Boy Smith, Jr. to a contract that will allow him to still compete in NJPW but likely spells the end of his ROH shots. Internationally, NXT UK has just basically obliterated the UK indy scene. So as ROH, Impact, MLW, AEW, Lucha Underground, the NWA, EVOLVE (affiliated with NXT), and future NXT iterations (maybe Mexico next) all sign talent, the only true indies will be your local high school gym card featuring complete unknowns mixed with 1990s stars for drawing power. 

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Cody was also named Executive Vice President today.

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Franchise wrote: I’m very curious to see who they are going to get to fill out their roster show to show and what it will mean for the other indies.
i agree with this.  i know it is comparing apples to oranges, but wwe has an extremely hard time keeping peoples interested, and they have huge rosters with considerably better talent overall.  plus, unless this completely takes off on its own as a legitimate alternative, it can only sustain the hype and trend for so long until staleness starts to set in. 

that said, they seem to have some serious financial backing.  i will be far more interested in this after the njpw shows this weekend.  i feel like omega will have a weekend like styles had a few years ago, but i also think that angle may be too fresh for njpw.  either way, i certainly wish them and everyone involved the best.

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Supposedly, Tony Kahn ( son of the Jacksonville Jags owner) is throwing in $100M of his own money to get this off the ground. I've heard that they could get on TNT/TBS.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Supposedly, Tony Kahn ( son of the Jacksonville Jags owner) is throwing in $100M of his own money to get this off the ground. I've heard that they could get on TNT/TBS.
If that’s true then I think ROH and MLW are screwed; AEW would be a true number 2 

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I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

I imagine Davey has already dropped out of medical school and is looking for a contract. 

Does anyone know if the E has any meaningful contracts expiring in the next 6 months? 

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Franchise wrote:
I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

They are looking for a much bigger audience than the few wrestling nerds that watch ROH and New Japan every week.

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I think the few wrestling nerds will make up a sizeable portion of their audience for some time so I think staleness is a real thing but I also think Cody and the Young bucks have enough sense to try and work to avoid it.

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This thing is gaining traction but does anyone actually thing this will be sustainable and be a legitimate #2, or will this start strong with hype similar to how TNA did way back when and eventually become another place where ex WWE guys end up?

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cookie32723 wrote: This thing is gaining traction but does anyone actually thing this will be sustainable and be a legitimate #2, or will this start strong with hype similar to how TNA did way back when and eventually become another place where ex WWE guys end up?
Give me a $100m bankroll and I could start a wrestling league that becomes a legit #2 and I'm not a wrestling promoter.  In the last couple years of WCW, they lost about $80m with a roster loaded with expensive names.  I'm sure I could do better than that.  And if it's true that they are going to get clearance on TBS/TNT, even minimal revenue pulled from that stream could sustain them having a full time arena and production costs covered.  Somebody asked a question about guys who's contracts are expiring within six months.  I would bet that if the opportunity presents itself, you'll see Johnny Mundo, Zack Ryder, Curt Hawkins, Dolph Ziggler, and even Miz jump to AWE.  And with national cable clearance and that bankroll, they can afford to extend an offer to Punk and see if he'll come down.  I think there is a lot of talent under the age of 36 that would jump to live and work primarily in Florida where the taxes and weather are beneficial to them.

My concept would be to make the first wave of guys become "partners" in the business.  What I mean is that you offer all of them the same downside guaranteed salary, and you give them the opportunity to equally share in the profits of the venture as if they were "shareholders", when in reality you are just basically setting a wage scale where the ones that come in at the beginning have an opportunity to make the most money if it becomes a great success.  The only thing these guys could lose is that if their downside guarantee is half of what they make in WWE, they couldn't make the difference up if it's a complete failure.  So much like Cody and the Bucks, the talent would be gambling on themselves.  All of the guys I mentioned above believe that they have been held back in WWE but they don't complain about it because they know that there is no place for them to go stateside that can pay anywhere near what they make in WWE.  Mundo left WWE and did Lucha Underground, TNA, and went to Mexico - I'm sure he'd rather be settled in Florida working weekly for a good paycheck that he can count on.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote:
I can’t see how staleness won’t be a major factor once the new wears off. All of the announced names are great wrestlers but they have all wrestled with or against each other a ton in ROH and probably have crossed paths in NJPW and/or elsewhere. 

They are looking for a much bigger audience than the few wrestling nerds that watch ROH and New Japan every week.

Then they’re in for disappointment because wrestling nerds are the ones who watch wrestling. There’s just not a random group of 2-3 million people out there who don’t currently watch wrestling who are going to start. You hope you get every single indy fan, which at most is 500,000 or so, and then if all the stars align you pick up another 500,000 or so WWE fans. That’s all there is out there. And if you do that, you’re a huge success by every reasonable measure of wrestling on TV these days. We’re getting to the point where WWE would kill for 2.5 million viewers, so for an upstart to exceed 1 million is almost too much to hope for. 

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The wrestling nerds I was referring to are the few who watch everything out there, and have seen all the indie guys face each other. Most casual wrestling fans have only seen a handful of Young Bucks matches. Very few people are going to come to this product not thinking this is something new with new matches.

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I used to watch the Young Bucks in TNA when they were going against the Motor City Machine Guns every week. I thought that they were good, not great, and I was stunned when they wouldn't sign with TNA to become indy guys. I have seen them more recently with New Japan, and for the life of me, I don't get it. They are good, but they are not legendary. Same goes for Kenny Omega. In his case, I think he's far superior to the Bucks, but as far as comparing those who came before him, he's just not there. And maybe it's based on him doing what he's told to do and/or what he thinks the fans want to see. But I watched some AJ Styles matches from when he was IWGP Champion, and I don't think Kenny Omega can even sniff what AJ did then and has done since he got to WWE.

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All Elite Wrestling sent us the following. The event will take place very close to where WWE is shooting Smackdown live. Will they go all WWF invading WCW? We shall see.

THE ELITE ANNOUNCES “DOUBLE OR NOTHING” EVENT RALLY IN JACKSONVILLE ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 8 @ 5PM

-- New “All Elite Wrestling” Poised to Change Wrestling Landscape --

JACKSONVILLE, FL, (January 3, 2019) – All Elite Wrestling, the new wrestling promotion headlined by members of The Elite, today announced plans for a special DOUBLE OR NOTHING event rally in Jacksonville, FL. The event, which is free and open to the public, will take place on Tuesday, Jan. 8, at 5pm ET outside TIAA Bank Field in Parking Lot J (near Gate 1, adjacent to the TV compound).

The rally is on the heels of the unveiling earlier this week of DOUBLE OR NOTHING, the inaugural event under the new All Elite Wrestling (AEW) banner. Keeping in true The Elite fashion, attendees can expect the unexpected as the rally will showcase the true spirit of wrestling entrepreneurialism and feature special guests, inside info and limited edition merchandise.

Fans can also watch the event rally live on the “Being The Elite” YouTube channel, as well as @AEWrestling (Twitter), /TheYoungBucks (Facebook), @TheBrandiRhodes (Instagram), and can interact socially at #AEW.

“The Young Bucks, Matt and Nick Jackson, are right with me in committing to deliver on our promise to change the wrestling landscape in 2019, and the DOUBLE OR NOTHING event is just the start,” said Cody Rhodes. “The time to change the world is now.”

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I just love how Within 3 years Brandi went from a ring announcer that couldn’t make TV to the Chief Brand Officer of a company being financed by a billionaire.

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srossi wrote: I just love how Within 3 years Brandi went from a ring announcer that couldn’t make TV to the Chief Brand Officer of a company being financed by a billionaire.
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I see that Jim Ross, Chris Jericho are going to be involved and they are looking to bring someone like Goldberg in early on also.

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Everyone lost at Wrestle Kingdom. Jericho dropped the I-C belt to Naito, Cody lost the U.S. title to Juice, Omega dropped the World title to Tanahashi, the Bucks lost in a 3-way for the Tag titles, and the rest of the Bullet Club (Page, Scurll, and Yujro) lost in a gauntlet match for the 6-Man Tag titles. So the stage is now set and we’ll see what happens. The announcers talked about AEW a lot during Cody’s match so it’s not like NJPW is hiding it.

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srossi wrote: Everyone lost at Wrestle Kingdom. Jericho dropped the I-C belt to Naito, Cody lost the U.S. title to Juice, Omega dropped the World title to Tanahashi, the Bucks lost in a 3-way for the Tag titles, and the rest of the Bullet Club (Page, Scurll, and Yujro) lost in a gauntlet match for the 6-Man Tag titles. So the stage is now set and we’ll see what happens. The announcers talked about AEW a lot during Cody’s match so it’s not like NJPW is hiding it.
That's because there's a meeting today with ROH/NJPW/AEW about having a working agreement together. Also, I've heard that the WWE has offered Omega "Huge money" to come over stateside. They want to do a documentary about his life outside of North America and his gaming passion and friendship with Xavier Woods. They would have him debut at the Royal Rumble at #30 and fast track him to a main event spot, as soon as WrestleMania.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: srossi wrote: Everyone lost at Wrestle Kingdom. Jericho dropped the I-C belt to Naito, Cody lost the U.S. title to Juice, Omega dropped the World title to Tanahashi, the Bucks lost in a 3-way for the Tag titles, and the rest of the Bullet Club (Page, Scurll, and Yujro) lost in a gauntlet match for the 6-Man Tag titles. So the stage is now set and we’ll see what happens. The announcers talked about AEW a lot during Cody’s match so it’s not like NJPW is hiding it.
That's because there's a meeting today with ROH/NJPW/AEW about having a working agreement together. Also, I've heard that the WWE has offered Omega "Huge money" to come over stateside. They want to do a documentary about his life outside of North America and his gaming passion and friendship with Xavier Woods. They would have him debut at the Royal Rumble at #30 and fast track him to a main event spot, as soon as WrestleMania.


LOL. This is like Vince telling everyone he was trying to sign in the 80s that they would come in and main event MSG against Hogan and get a run with the title. They would bring Omega in and prove that they own, just like they do with everyone. Also, R-Truth has #30.

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Like most I’m interested in seeing how that meeting between the 3 groups go. Hopefully they can find a way to all coexist and not kill off MLW.


As far as Omega going to the E; if he does I hope he negotiates a good deal for himself. Maybe get himself a Lesnar type deal and gets paid to sit for awhile or get creative control. I know it’s a long shot but why not ask for the moon if you have the leverage.

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This has potential to be Monday Night Wars #3.

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Kriss wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: srossi wrote: Everyone lost at Wrestle Kingdom. Jericho dropped the I-C belt to Naito, Cody lost the U.S. title to Juice, Omega dropped the World title to Tanahashi, the Bucks lost in a 3-way for the Tag titles, and the rest of the Bullet Club (Page, Scurll, and Yujro) lost in a gauntlet match for the 6-Man Tag titles. So the stage is now set and we’ll see what happens. The announcers talked about AEW a lot during Cody’s match so it’s not like NJPW is hiding it.
That's because there's a meeting today with ROH/NJPW/AEW about having a working agreement together. Also, I've heard that the WWE has offered Omega "Huge money" to come over stateside. They want to do a documentary about his life outside of North America and his gaming passion and friendship with Xavier Woods. They would have him debut at the Royal Rumble at #30 and fast track him to a main event spot, as soon as WrestleMania.


LOL. This is like Vince telling everyone he was trying to sign in the 80s that they would come in and main event MSG against Hogan and get a run with the title. They would bring Omega in and prove that they own, just like they do with everyone. Also, R-Truth has #30.

Lets see, R-Truth's spot could change. Not exactly a major player in the grand scope of things.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Kriss wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: srossi wrote: Everyone lost at Wrestle Kingdom. Jericho dropped the I-C belt to Naito, Cody lost the U.S. title to Juice, Omega dropped the World title to Tanahashi, the Bucks lost in a 3-way for the Tag titles, and the rest of the Bullet Club (Page, Scurll, and Yujro) lost in a gauntlet match for the 6-Man Tag titles. So the stage is now set and we’ll see what happens. The announcers talked about AEW a lot during Cody’s match so it’s not like NJPW is hiding it.
That's because there's a meeting today with ROH/NJPW/AEW about having a working agreement together. Also, I've heard that the WWE has offered Omega "Huge money" to come over stateside. They want to do a documentary about his life outside of North America and his gaming passion and friendship with Xavier Woods. They would have him debut at the Royal Rumble at #30 and fast track him to a main event spot, as soon as WrestleMania.


LOL. This is like Vince telling everyone he was trying to sign in the 80s that they would come in and main event MSG against Hogan and get a run with the title. They would bring Omega in and prove that they own, just like they do with everyone. Also, R-Truth has #30.

Lets see, R-Truth's spot could change. Not exactly a major player in the grand scope of things.

Then what would be the point of that atrocious mixed tag tournament and that ran for 2 months but that does so well on Facebook so they’ll never end it?  There’s no reason to change that. They could always have him come in at, I don’t know, like any other number. 

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So recently I read that in countries like India you can have cellphone internet that is only Facebook and maybe like another internet service like WhatsApp. It`s those people that send out weird messages like "Send boops and vagena pics" on Facebook. So guess who would like to watch such WWE programming. And of course, a viewer is a viewer so WWE won`t care, Facebook won`t care and the advertisers won`t care.

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They could just do what they did that year with Cena and have him come in at #31. They make the rules, they can enforce them any way they see fit.

Anybody here believe Omega would turn down a seven figure contract to remain with NJPW/AWE/Indies? Here is why I believe he has at least met with WWE: A couple months back he did a shot with Northeast Wrestling in Poughkeepsie NY. Lots of guys do that, but he never worked there before. In the past, when we heard about guys possibly jumping, they all made their way through Poughkeepsie first, which is a little over an hour drive from Stamford. Jericho, Nash, Mysterio, Bennett/Kanellis, and others. I don’t think NEW has anything to do with it, but for many years every single show has had a WWE presence, whether it be King Lawler and Coachman, to more recently Corey Graves and Renee Young. While all of the wrestlers have the ability to get in touch with WWE through their own means, I’ve always felt that these WWE appearances at the local Indy show were sanctioned because they were used as a way to deliver messages to these guys.

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SHAD KHAN STATEMENT ON AEW, Tuesday, January 8, 2019

I am the lead investor, a supporter and a backer of All Elite Wrestling, and I anticipate great things today and into the future for AEW and everyone who has worked passionately on this week’s launch.  I know AEW will be welcomed by wrestling fans here in the U.S. and throughout the world who are ready for something new and authentic.  AEW will work hard to deliver on that promise.

As important, I am the father – the proud father – of Tony Khan, who will serve in a leadership role at AEW during the 2019 launch and in the years ahead.  Tony will assemble a great team to take AEW over the top, for the benefit of everyone who loves the wrestling industry, while continuing to serve in his current capacities with the Jaguars and Fulham.

AEW will operate as an organization completely independently from my other interests.  It will not deter attention or divert resources from any of my businesses, teams, projects or investments.  At the same time, AEW will enjoy the same full commitment I given to everything and everyone in my life – my family and friends, my business and, in recent years, to sports, hospitality and now entertainment.

TONY KHAN STATEMENT ON AEW, Tuesday, January 8, 2019


Wrestling fans are a community unlike most others. I’ve been a part of this community since I was 7 years old, and I can tell you that wresting fans see the world every day through a special lens.  We see wrestling in Hollywood films and tv shows, we see elements of wrestling in the presentation of sports and in the marketing of grandiose star athletes, and we certainly see wrestling in politics.

The wrestling community is a constant; its members are diverse, we are physically located on all corners of the planet, yet we are constantly connected.

Recently, a new family has formed, bonded by love and respect for wresting but armed with a vision and resources that have never before been available to the wrestling community.  Our objective is to connect our community closer than ever before through All Elite Wrestling, or AEW.

AEW does not mean any less of a continued commitment to existing obligations and duties that I have, or my family has, to our business and sports interests.  That will never be the case.  What’s important is that every individual decision we make as family, whether it’s ownership or investment in a team or property, is 100 percent beneficial to those specific interests.  I will always welcome that accountability and responsibility, as nothing is more important than serving our supporters and friends.

AEW will launch with a roster of the top wrestlers in the world.  While they’ll clash in what will be some of the most intense and fast-paced contests ever sanctioned in the squared circle, they’ll also share a common goal: to make this the true golden age, to make this the greatest time ever to be a wrestling fan.  Likewise, as a business, by treating our wrestlers with respect and warmth, we also seek to make this the golden age for the performers themselves.

I urge everyone who believes in what we’re doing, or wants to believe in dreams coming true, to support AEW by spreading the word and passing the wrestling bug onto someone else.  My message: Get in on the ground floor with AEW today and help lead our movement to grow the wrestling community and ensure that the voices of the wrestling fans, their creative minds and their remarkable ideas, will always be heard.

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Chris Jericho, MJF , CIMA & his stable called STRONGHEARTS have all signed with AEW. PAC showed up, confronting Hangman Page.

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This went about as well as it could’ve gone. A couple of decent surprises in PAC and CIMA and a lot of names that you knew would be involved based on All In like MJF and Janela, who are good young talents who deserve a shot. They got to end with Jericho, and still have Omega in their back pocket to be the big guest at a future rally or show. They can also have JR and there’s likely someone like Goldberg waiting too who will take the money for a few matches and give them added publicity. They can keep interest high for months to come.

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Anyone wearing AEW paraphernalia was denied admission to Smackdown in Jacksonville.

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Also Billy Gunn has been announced as an agent. He and his son both wrestled in the battle royal at All In so this isn’t a surprise, and there is little doubt his son is part of the package and will be signing with the company if he hasn’t already.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Anyone wearing AEW paraphernalia was denied admission to Smackdown in Jacksonville.

They were told they would have to change out of their AEW T-shirts before they came in. That's not quite the same thing. This is good. It means that WWE are taking them seriously. Hasn't this always been the case? I doubt you could have worn a TNA T-shirt at a WWE TV taping either.

There is also some question as to this being the case. Some fans saying they had no problems until a bunch of guys wearing AEW shirts started being dicks and were eventually removed after being told to calm down.

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srossi wrote: Also Billy Gunn has been announced as an agent. He and his son both wrestled in the battle royal at All In so this isn’t a surprise, and there is little doubt his son is part of the package and will be signing with the company if he hasn’t already.

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Kriss wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Anyone wearing AEW paraphernalia was denied admission to Smackdown in Jacksonville.

They were told they would have to change out of their AEW T-shirts before they came in. That's not quite the same thing. This is good. It means that WWE are taking them seriously. Hasn't this always been the case? I doubt you could have worn a TNA T-shirt at a WWE TV taping either.

There is also some question as to this being the case. Some fans saying they had no problems until a bunch of guys wearing AEW shirts started being dicks and were eventually removed after being told to calm down.

 it's basically a publicity stunt by a couple of PWTees employees. There's a pic of someone wearing an AEW shirt in the crowd and during the opening segment someone wearing the new Young Bucks shirt is visible for several seconds

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Kriss wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Anyone wearing AEW paraphernalia was denied admission to Smackdown in Jacksonville.

They were told they would have to change out of their AEW T-shirts before they came in. That's not quite the same thing. This is good. It means that WWE are taking them seriously. Hasn't this always been the case? I doubt you could have worn a TNA T-shirt at a WWE TV taping either.

There is also some question as to this being the case. Some fans saying they had no problems until a bunch of guys wearing AEW shirts started being dicks and were eventually removed after being told to calm down.

Well they certainly have no problem allowing Bullet Club T-shirts.  About half the fans they show close-ups of for the past 2 years are wearing them.  That's always amazed me a little bit.  I mean they routinely zoom in TIGHT on those BC shirts as if Vince is personally getting a royalty for every one sold.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Anyone wearing AEW paraphernalia was denied admission to Smackdown in Jacksonville.

They were told they would have to change out of their AEW T-shirts before they came in. That's not quite the same thing. This is good. It means that WWE are taking them seriously. Hasn't this always been the case? I doubt you could have worn a TNA T-shirt at a WWE TV taping either.

There is also some question as to this being the case. Some fans saying they had no problems until a bunch of guys wearing AEW shirts started being dicks and were eventually removed after being told to calm down.

Well they certainly have no problem allowing Bullet Club T-shirts.  About half the fans they show close-ups of for the past 2 years are wearing them.  That's always amazed me a little bit.  I mean they routinely zoom in TIGHT on those BC shirts as if Vince is personally getting a royalty for every one sold.


I wouldn't be surprised if Beaver-Teeth thinks they are Balor Club T-shirts.

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Question:

Would NJPW/ROH had still sold out MSG if fans Knew Bucks, Cody, Omega were leaving? Sure there were rumors at the time they went they went on sale. But nothing for sure at that time.

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bpickering wrote: Question:

Would NJPW/ROH had still sold out MSG if fans Knew Bucks, Cody, Omega were leaving? Sure there were rumors at the time they went they went on sale. But nothing for sure at that time.

For the novelty of a first MSG show during WM weekend, yeah, I definitely think so.  Wrestling fans from all over the world will be in town and aside from loving ROH and NJPW, I'm sure many tourists would love to say that they saw any wrestling period at the World's Most Famous Arena.  If I was on vacation in Tokyo, I'd watch a midget show at the Tokyo Dome or Korakuen Hall just to say I was there.

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Question:

Would NJPW/ROH had still sold out MSG if fans Knew Bucks, Cody, Omega were leaving? Sure there were rumors at the time they went they went on sale. But nothing for sure at that time.

For the novelty of a first MSG show during WM weekend, yeah, I definitely think so.  Wrestling fans from all over the world will be in town and aside from loving ROH and NJPW, I'm sure many tourists would love to say that they saw any wrestling period at the World's Most Famous Arena.  If I was on vacation in Tokyo, I'd watch a midget show at the Tokyo Dome or Korakuen Hall just to say I was there.


It's an interesting question, bit we can only guess at the answer. I would guess it probably would have sold out, but it may have taken longer. Some people may have waited for the card to be announced first. Who's to say that AEW won't be involved? It would be win-win for all concerned.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Question:

Would NJPW/ROH had still sold out MSG if fans Knew Bucks, Cody, Omega were leaving? Sure there were rumors at the time they went they went on sale. But nothing for sure at that time.

For the novelty of a first MSG show during WM weekend, yeah, I definitely think so.  Wrestling fans from all over the world will be in town and aside from loving ROH and NJPW, I'm sure many tourists would love to say that they saw any wrestling period at the World's Most Famous Arena.  If I was on vacation in Tokyo, I'd watch a midget show at the Tokyo Dome or Korakuen Hall just to say I was there.


It's an interesting question, bit we can only guess at the answer. I would guess it probably would have sold out, but it may have taken longer. Some people may have waited for the card to be announced first. Who's to say that AEW won't be involved? It would be win-win for all concerned.

I can see ROH and NJPW not wanting them there if negotiations have fallen through for them to continue to share talent, or if they will only get AEW talent for very limited dates.  On their biggest stage, they should promote their own guys of course.  In fact they desperately need to given the massive talent turnover in both companies the past month.  But I do hope all 3 companies can work together closely in the future.  Indy wars make no sense to me.     

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Some more details regarding AEW that weren't talked about at the rally:

-Chris Jerichos contract is non exclusive and that Jericho will still be able to work with New Japan and also continue doing his cruise
-Cody says that anyone who gets hurt in AEW will be covered
-The Khans are hoping health insurance will convince other wrestlers to be with AEW full time
-Joey Janela is still allowed to do Spring Break shows
-Two TV deals are on the table and that they will be looked at after Double or Nothing
-The main rumored tv deal is with TNT or TBS
-AEW rumored to start off with taped shows
-Tony Khan is looking to have favorable schedules for talent because he doesnt want to run his guys into the ground with too many dates or a hectic schedule
-The following rumored(key word there) partnerships for AEW are; PWG, Wrestle-1, DDT and AAA

SOURCES: F4WOnline, @KShawnng, Pro Wrestling Sheet and WON

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I don’t know much about Wrestle-1 or DDT but after a quick glance at their roster they don’t seem very impressive but none the less I’m glad to see that they may be breaking away and not working with ROH and NJPW. That should keep some of the staleness away.

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If AEW is offering health care and they do not go bankrupt in the first two years, they will absolutely become competition for WWE. And if TBS/TNT either pay them a fair rate for content or become like a partnership the way Spike was for TNA in paying the bigger contracts like Sting, AND management doesn't make too many hasty decisions...this is going to be fun. When you see how much Murdoch paid WWE for fucking Smackdown, the red headed step child of their lineup, I would have to think that TBS/TNT would have to offer no less than 25% in order to be considered serious with the Khan family. And if AEW can get $250m for TV rights, holy shit, they become a player overnight. And TNT saw the ratings that Nitro had when Goldberg was white hot, meaning, they probably want him as a face on the network for a year while getting it off the ground.

This looks like it was a well thought out plan and not just something thrown together after the success of All In. I'm actually excited for this and I don't give two shits about pretty much any of the talent they announced. But I bet when I watch the show every week I will become invested in it.

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I hope they bring in the Iron Man Heavymetalweight Title. American fans deserve to see former champions ladder and bowl of rice.

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Franchise wrote: I don’t know much about Wrestle-1 or DDT but after a quick glance at their roster they don’t seem very impressive but none the less I’m glad to see that they may be breaking away and not working with ROH and NJPW. That should keep some of the staleness away.
Wrestle-1 is Great Muta's company that he founded after he broke away from AJPW.  They briefly had a working relationship with TNA.  Sanada was Muta's protégé and the best young star in that company and he long since has defected to NJPW.  Most of the roster is honestly the drizzling shits, although I haven't seen enough of it to say that they don't have any other young gems like Sanada waiting to break out.  But upon casual viewing, no.  Still, if you can have Muta show up and spit the mist at a rally or on the first episode, that's a good nostalgia play right there even if the roster itself isn't very good.

DDT is a hybrid company that combines jr. heavyweight action and hardcore-lite with lots of comedy and satire.  They often mock WWE stars, so if they try to do that in AEW the Young Bucks might be getting another cease and desist letter from Mr. McDevitt.  There's some gimmicky shit that they do that I could see catching on in America because of its uniqueness for a little while before getting stale, but again I don't see any huge future stars there.

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Tony Khan = Dixie Carter

Shad Khan = Bob Carter

Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks = Jeff Jarrett

Chris Jericho = Sting/Kurt Angle/other former WWE and WCW guys

Now obviously these are not perfect comparisons, but to some extent this comes off to me as wrestlers looking for a money mark and Shad Khan coming off as a wealthy guy who wants to indulge his adult son. The good thing is that based on the success of All In and providing a product that disaffected hardcore fans prefer over the WWE, there is a market that TNA never had or captured despite numerous attempts. I hope it succeeds for everyone involved. As fans, we'd all benefit from better choices and a WWE that's inspired by competition to improve.

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tamalie wrote: Tony Khan = Dixie Carter

Shad Khan = Bob Carter

Cody Rhodes and the Young Bucks = Jeff Jarrett

Chris Jericho = Sting/Kurt Angle/other former WWE and WCW guys

Now obviously these are not perfect comparisons, but to some extent this comes off to me as wrestlers looking for a money mark and Shad Khan coming off as a wealthy guy who wants to indulge his adult son. The good thing is that based on the success of All In and providing a product that disaffected hardcore fans prefer over the WWE, there is a market that TNA never had or captured despite numerous attempts. I hope it succeeds for everyone involved. As fans, we'd all benefit from better choices and a WWE that's inspired by competition to improve.
As long as Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff  doesn't = Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, I think AEW will have an interesting first 2-3 years at worst.

Tamalie, you kinda sounded down in your post.

I say we all pitch in and buy him a hallmark card?

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You can forget about the rumor of the Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler doing the commentary.

On the latest edition of his podcast, WWE Hall of Famer Jerry Lawler announced that he had signed a new two-year deal with World Wrestling Entertainment.

Lawler noted that his previous contract had expired on January 10th and that he would be calling the Men's Royal Rumble bout later this month. He also noted the company had given him a raise.

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bpickering wrote: You can forget about the rumor of the Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler doing the commentary.

On the latest edition of his podcast, WWE Hall of Famer Jerry Lawler announced that he had signed a new two-year deal with World Wrestling Entertainment.

Lawler noted that his previous contract had expired on January 10th and that he would be calling the Men's Royal Rumble bout later this month. He also noted the company had given him a raise.

Lawler made a quick appearance on Raw, walking out of Vince's office lol.

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Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

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srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.

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Boz1515 wrote: bpickering wrote: You can forget about the rumor of the Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler doing the commentary.

On the latest edition of his podcast, WWE Hall of Famer Jerry Lawler announced that he had signed a new two-year deal with World Wrestling Entertainment.

Lawler noted that his previous contract had expired on January 10th and that he would be calling the Men's Royal Rumble bout later this month. He also noted the company had given him a raise.

Lawler made a quick appearance on Raw, walking out of Vince's office lol.

Not sure why in Memphis they couldn't figure out how to get him to do something in front of the live crowd. 

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: bpickering wrote: You can forget about the rumor of the Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler doing the commentary.

On the latest edition of his podcast, WWE Hall of Famer Jerry Lawler announced that he had signed a new two-year deal with World Wrestling Entertainment.

Lawler noted that his previous contract had expired on January 10th and that he would be calling the Men's Royal Rumble bout later this month. He also noted the company had given him a raise.

Lawler made a quick appearance on Raw, walking out of Vince's office lol.

Not sure why in Memphis they couldn't figure out how to get him to do something in front of the live crowd. 

The show is only 3 hours long, not enough time for all that. 

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The latest episode of Chris Jericho's Talk Is Jericho podcast was released today with Jericho on his own, telling the story of his journey from WWE to appearing in New Japan Pro Wrestling to ultimately signing with the new All Elite Wrestling promotion launched by the Khan family.

During the podcast, Jericho stated that he and WWE was negotiating a new deal "days before" the AEW rally in Jacksonville, Florida but an offer was never formalized. Jericho said that he knows why the offer never came, but would not go into the reasons why.

Jericho said his AEW deal is for three years, which would take him through 2022.

Jericho also stated that he still plans on working with New Japan Pro Wrestling and that the two sides are working on ironing that out.

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Apparently The Elite will be promoting AEW at west coast indy shows as they all made a surprise appearance last night for indy promotion The Bar to help SoCal Uncensored in the main event.  Watts, Yuma, and Martenson are guys that work for Championship Wrestling From Hollywood and I've never seen any of them have a good match, but this description makes it sound fun.

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*Main event: Christopher Daniels, Scorpio Sky, and Frankie Kazarian had their Open Challenge answered by Watts and RockNES Monsters (Yuma and Kevin Martenson).  SoCal Uncensored got the win after the Best Meltzer ever on Yuma in a wild one with help from The Elite.   Senior referee Rick Knox was bumped and Watts clobbered a second ref then grabbed a chair. He was going to hit Scorpio Sky with it, but Joey Ryan ran out and grabbed it from him to stop him.. Watts gave Ryan a big kick and knocked him down.   Adam "Hangman Page" ran out and took Watts down with a buckshot lariat. Ryan recovered, and with help from Page, they gave Watts a double team YP Plex.  Ryan and Page shook hands but then Yuma and Martenson got back in the ring and attacked them from behind.   

Cody, in a suit, slowly walked out with Brandi Rhodes. Yuma and Martenson double teamed Cody for a few seconds but he fought them off. Brandi gave Yuma a spear and Cody did a dive to the outside onto Martenson.  Watts was back up and slowly acted like he was going to hit Brandi in the ring.   The Young Bucks appeared and gave Watts the superkicks as he was arguing with Brandi. Yuma tried to charge The Bucks, but he got caught by the superkicks. Martenson then tried to come off the top rope on them, but he too got caught with the superkicks. Rick Knox even joined in on The Superkick Party when he finally recovered off the mat. He made it a triple superkick with The Bucks to Watts.

Cody told the crowd he was giving them all AEW contracts. Brandi then made him fire everyone quickly. The Elite stood tall in the ring and raised each other’s arms. 

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Is Watts the tall black guy who was on Tough Enough and they only kept him around because of his size?

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Kriss wrote: Is Watts the tall black guy who was on Tough Enough and they only kept him around because of his size?
Yes.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

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Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

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And for Lawler, I think he's obsolete on commentary, but I would love to see him in the Mean Gene role instead of the stiff and generic hot chicks that they march in and out of the company to just be a human mic stand.  Lawler would do very well in that role I think, in small doses.

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I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.

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Superstar wrote: I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.

I think Excaliber is going to get it, since he called All In.  I have no opinion on that since I only heard him once.  I can't think of too many commentators who are unaffiliated right now. 

B.J. Whitmer could get the color spot, but I didn't think he was great in that role in ROH and from what I've heard he was hired to work backstage, although he could do both. 

If Taz is interested in getting back in the game, then I think that would be great.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: I agree with Lawler - he was great on the mic when he wrestled but on commentary it became all about puppies, etc.

So now I ask - who do you think would make a good announce team for AEW? I don't necessarily agree that they need to be young and fresh, but I do think that they need to be knowledgeable about wrestling and not sports entertainment.

I think Excaliber is going to get it, since he called All In.  I have no opinion on that since I only heard him once.  I can't think of too many commentators who are unaffiliated right now. 

B.J. Whitmer could get the color spot, but I didn't think he was great in that role in ROH and from what I've heard he was hired to work backstage, although he could do both. 

If Taz is interested in getting back in the game, then I think that would be great.
Would love Taz to come back but I can't expect that to happen.  He has a grasp on what needs to be done to get the talent over extremely well.  I was thinking about Mike Goldberg but didn't realize he was with Bellator.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

This. I don't think JR has lost anything, I just think he was in a no-win situation calling those matches..hell, the commentary without him is JUST as bad..

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ESPN.com interviews Cody on AEW.

http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/25781334/cody-rhodes-all-elite-wrestling-origins-future-chris-jericho-path-aew

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Married Jo wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

This. I don't think JR has lost anything, I just think he was in a no-win situation calling those matches..hell, the commentary without him is JUST as bad..

JR didn't even know the names to over half of the moves. He was beyond bad when he started and by the time his contract was over, he improved to just plain awful. 

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Honestly the last thing AEW needs is JR and Lawler. They need something fresh, not a ‘90s tribute.

Lawler is a relic. He had nothing to offer wrestling in 2019. Good on him for parlaying the possibility of working on a TV show that doesn't exist yet into this deal, though. WWE's return of investment will be zero, though.
I think Lawler can still do commentary if they would leave him alone and let him be The King.  However I am starting to thing that JR truly needs major producing at this point in the game because his work for New Japan was not good at all, I'm not going to say it was embarrassing, but JR is a HOFer and his work was a lot like the last couple years of Ric Flair's career in TNA when you just felt sorry for him because it was obvious he didn't have it anymore.

I really wouldn't expect much else, to be honest.  JR was away from the game for a while, was dealing with health issues and the death of his wife, and was thrust into a higher-profile role than I think he bargained for where he was expected to call matches from a different country with a style the antithesis of WWE involving 50-60 talents that he had never seen before and knew nothing about, all while working with a color man who he didn't know and clearly wasn't comfortable with who would drop random heavy metal, pop culture, and obscure '80s puroresu references that were completely lost on him.  Plus, J.R.'s biggest strength even in his prime was telling a story and not calling the action move-for-move, and the stories in Japan are pretty basic compared to the Attitude Era. 

I'm shocked he did as well as he did.  He was a poor fit and never should've been hired, especially being in the shadow of Mauro Ranallo, but AXS needed someone quickly and wanted a big name.  Could JR have done better if he busted his ass watching dozens of hours of footage of these guys to prep and learning about their histories going back 10-15 years?  Sure, but I didn't expect him to.  It was a part-time gig to him.  And he relied on Barnett to tell those back stories because Barnett lived it and loves it with a passion and trained with many of them.  JR was never going to sound more knowledgeable no matter how hard he studied.  

Barnett is a MAJOR upgrade on Callis, who basically tries to play the comedian role, but is horrible at it.

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I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.

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WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

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Kriss wrote: WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

And not only that, but it's not like cable has packed up and gone home.  They still desperately need content.  I mean WWE just signed a huge money deal to extend the USA contract and their ratings are pathetic now.  You have to grade on a curve compared to 20 years ago.  The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans.  If the answer is no, just being on a top cable network isn't much to write home about.  But visibility on real TV is still somewhat important.  Just ask Impact.

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srossi wrote: The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans. 

I think this problem was two-fold back during the Monday Night Wars. The advertisers don't care who they are advertising to, one person's money is as good as another's. I think there was definitely a perception that wrestling fans were poor compared to the average TV fan. Also, if they had looked into it enough, they probably would have seen that most fans during the Monday Night Wars were changing the channel during the adverts. Personally, I haven't sat through an ad break since I had the control of the remote. With everyone having a smartphone or a tablet these days, I can't imagine anyone watching adverts these days. Most people are only half watching the programs, let alone the ads.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: WongLee wrote: I just read this whole thread and found it interesting. I do not follow indy or Jap wrestling at all and the $9.99 a month I spend on the Network I might as well give to hobos for the amount of time I actually spend watching the damn thing.

Now don't eviscerate me here as I'm not as knowledgeable as you dinks, but alot was said in this thread about a TV deal with TBS/TNT. Isn't cable TV a dying thing? Aren't cable ratings falling across the board no matter what the content? Sure AEW would have the money in hand from the network but wouldn't it come crashing down after the initial contract is over because no one watched this shit.


All "cable" channels will be available to stream online in the very near future, if they aren't already.

And not only that, but it's not like cable has packed up and gone home.  They still desperately need content.  I mean WWE just signed a huge money deal to extend the USA contract and their ratings are pathetic now.  You have to grade on a curve compared to 20 years ago.  The big question is, will AEW or any upstart get paid by a cable network as opposed to just working off of advertising, which is non-existent and even during the heyday of the Monday Night Wars never paid anything because advertisers don't respect wrestling fans.  If the answer is no, just being on a top cable network isn't much to write home about.  But visibility on real TV is still somewhat important.  Just ask Impact.
You've also forgotten the $1B that Fox gave WWE for Smackdown.  Somewhere, somehow, the term "Live Content" became very valuable.  Is AEW going to broadcast live every week?  Doubt it.  But that won't keep them from getting some money from the TBS/TNT connection if they actually sign that deal.  Khan has inroads with a lot of people so don't discount anything that they do.

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Our friends at Pro Wrestling Tees announced that Hot Topic stores in 140 locations will be testing out a line of All Elite Wrestling t-shirts devoted to members of The Elite:

Starting next week these 6 tees will be tested in 140 @HotTopic locations! If they sell well youll see a lot more new designs in stores soon. Get out and support @MattJackson13 @NickJacksonYB @theAdamPage @CodyRhodes @KennyOmegamanX @MartyScurll! Retweet for us and #changtheworld pic.twitter.com/65htHNCAvN

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Should the shirts sell well, they and other designs will be rolled out nationally.

Hot Topic has carried a number of Bullet Club, Young Bucks, New Japan Pro Wrestling and other alternative pro wrestling designs nationally.

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On the latest episode of "Being the Elite", the new company announced a "handshake agreement" to have Pentagon and Fenix work for AEW.  This is obviously huge as these guys are as hot as any non-contracted WWE talent not already involved in The Elite.  It remains to be seen if this eventually will spell the end of their runs in both Impact and MLW, but the language used so far seems to imply that they will be allowed to work everywhere (including AAA, where they will certainly continue to work in their home country).  I don't think anyone really wants to corner them for exclusivity out of fear of losing them.  Both guys worked "All In", but prior to that had no real involvement with anyone from AEW.

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Not a big fan of ‘signing’ guys to non-exclusive deals. You can’t aim big if you’re sharing talent with minor promotions. Maybe that’s what they want/need to do in the beginning but AEW really isn’t sounding too official so far imo

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Infamous wrote: Not a big fan of ‘signing’ guys to non-exclusive deals. You can’t aim big if you’re sharing talent with minor promotions. Maybe that’s what they want/need to do in the beginning but AEW really isn’t sounding too official so far imo
These are the first guys that aren’t signed exclusively in America. If you’re talking about international companies too, that would just be suicide. They’d never sign anyone. 

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AEW has announced the signing of hardcore UK star Jimmy Havoc.  Havoc's has made sporadic U.S. appearances for ROH, MLW, CZW, and years ago TNA.  But mostly he's competed in PROGRESS and is known as a hardcore wrestler who uses staple guns and thumbtacks.  He's been in the ring with all the usual suspects though, including Zack Sabre Jr., Trent Seven, Tyler Bate, Noam Dar, Will Ospreay, etc. 

MLW has announced that Havoc will still make his announced shows with them over the next few months.

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Best Friends, Trent Baretta and Chuckie T, are expected to announce their signing with AEW at tonight's MGM Grand Las Vegas event.  The rumor is furthered by the fact that NJPW has removed them from their website today along with finally removing Cody and the Young Bucks.

However the big announcement tonight is expected to be the signing of Kenny Omega, who is still listed on NJPW's website and was given a strong offer by WWE, but everyone has always expected him to go to AEW. 

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Kenny Omega is the Executive Vice President of AEW. Looks like Omega vs jericho at the PPV

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The top matches for the 5/25 All Elite Wrestling Double or Nothing in Las Vegas are:

*Chris Jericho vs. Kenny Omega.

*The Young Bucks vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix.

*SCU vs. CIMA and two partners to be announced.

*Adam Page vs. Pac.

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AEW Roster

Male Wrestlers:

* Cody Rhodes (Executive Vice President)
* Matt Jackson (Executive Vice President)
* Nick Jackson (Executive Vice President)
* Kenny Omega (Executive Vice President)
* Chris Jericho
* Hangman Adam Page
* Christopher Daniels (Head of Talent Relations)
* Frankie Kazarian
* Scorpio Sky
* Pentagón, Jr.
* Rey Fénix
* MJF
* PAC
* Trent Barreta
* Chuck Taylor
* Jimmy Havoc
* Sammy Guevara
* Joey Janela
* Jungle Boy
* Sonny Kiss
* Cima

Female Wrestlers:

* Brandi Rhodes (Chief Brand Officer, Talent Scout)
* Britt Baker
* Penelope Ford
* Aja Kong
* Yuka Sakazaki
* Kylie Rae
* Nyla Rose

AEW Staff:

* Alex Marvez (Broadcast Team)
* Excalibur (Broadcast Team)
* Billy Gunn (Producer/Agent)
* BJ Whitmer (Producer/Agent)
* Michael Cuellari (Coordinator)
* Dana Massie (Chief Merchandise Officer)
* Chris Harrington (Vice President of Business Strategy)
* Tony Khan (President and Chief Executive Officer)
* Shahid Khan (Owner)

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bpickering wrote: The top matches for the 5/25 All Elite Wrestling Double or Nothing in Las Vegas are:

*Chris Jericho vs. Kenny Omega.

*The Young Bucks vs. Pentagon Jr. & Rey Fenix.

*SCU vs. CIMA and two partners to be announced.

*Adam Page vs. Pac.

NJPW already did Omega vs. Jericho though. 

Young Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. should be sick, the best two teams in wrestling today and I don't think they've ever faced each other (although Fenix with 2 other partners opposed the Bucks in a 6-man at All In). 

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srossi wrote: On the latest episode of "Being the Elite", the new company announced a "handshake agreement" to have Pentagon and Fenix work for AEW.  This is obviously huge as these guys are as hot as any non-contracted WWE talent not already involved in The Elite.  It remains to be seen if this eventually will spell the end of their runs in both Impact and MLW, but the language used so far seems to imply that they will be allowed to work everywhere (including AAA, where they will certainly continue to work in their home country).  I don't think anyone really wants to corner them for exclusivity out of fear of losing them.  Both guys worked "All In", but prior to that had no real involvement with anyone from AEW.
Last night on MLW they hyped a “live” announcement from Las Vegas all night from the Lucha Bros. regarding their future. The announcement was that they’re wrestling everywhere and are staying in MLW but will also take on anyond from AEW, WWE, AAA, EMLL or anywhere else. Cute that MLW managed to get some hype out of AEW’s Vegas event. 

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Cody has announced that he is having knee surgery.  Cody originally injured his knee in the stupidest way possible, feeling it pop while tossing his T-shirt into the crowd before an ROH match in November.  He wanted to continue wrestling through it but had a really bad match at Wrestle Kingdom with Juice Robinson, a match that was critically panned and which Cody admitted was a "stinker".  He said he can't afford to ever have a match that bad again and wants to take care of his knee now.  I guess it's good timing since he can focus on the business end of launching AEW and doesn't have to wrestle for a while.

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AEW has apparently lost a bidding war for Kota Ibushi.  Ibushi had taken a hiatus from NJPW and due to his association with Golden Lovers partner Kenny Omega it was assumed he was on his way to AEW.  However he announced yesterday he was staying in NJPW and was entering the New Japan Cup.

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All In II Double or Nothing is sold out in four minutes. 

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Anybody think there's any chance that Batista signs with AEW?

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Superstar wrote: Anybody think there's any chance that Batista signs with AEW?
Nope, not at all.  At this stage of his career, why would he?  He's never even met any of these guys (other than Cody) and is just looking for a high-profile vehicle to promote his movies while scratching the wrestling itch every once in a while.  Taking a chance on a start-up and alienating WWE is definitely not the way to do that. 

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Anybody think there's any chance that Batista signs with AEW?
Nope, not at all.  At this stage of his career, why would he?  He's never even met any of these guys (other than Cody) and is just looking for a high-profile vehicle to promote his movies while scratching the wrestling itch every once in a while.  Taking a chance on a start-up and alienating WWE is definitely not the way to do that.
He just had lunch with Jericho in Florida.  That's the only reason I brought it up.  And that meeting happened AFTER he met with WWE.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Anybody think there's any chance that Batista signs with AEW?
Nope, not at all.  At this stage of his career, why would he?  He's never even met any of these guys (other than Cody) and is just looking for a high-profile vehicle to promote his movies while scratching the wrestling itch every once in a while.  Taking a chance on a start-up and alienating WWE is definitely not the way to do that.
He just had lunch with Jericho in Florida.  That's the only reason I brought it up.  And that meeting happened AFTER he met with WWE.

They could just be friends catching up, or maybe he's being strategic and trying to get WWE paranoid and driving his price up.  I would be shocked if he signs with AEW.

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He wants another big match with Hunter, so unless Stephanie divorces him, the match he wants can never happen in AEW.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Anybody think there's any chance that Batista signs with AEW?
Nope, not at all.  At this stage of his career, why would he?  He's never even met any of these guys (other than Cody) and is just looking for a high-profile vehicle to promote his movies while scratching the wrestling itch every once in a while.  Taking a chance on a start-up and alienating WWE is definitely not the way to do that.
He just had lunch with Jericho in Florida.  That's the only reason I brought it up.  And that meeting happened AFTER he met with WWE.

They could just be friends catching up, or maybe he's being strategic and trying to get WWE paranoid and driving his price up.  I would be shocked if he signs with AEW.
This was my exact thought.  There was no coincidence that Jericho posted the pic to Instagram.

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I’ve just seen my first AEW T-shirt in the wild. I’m at a Corrosion of Conformity concert. Seems about right.

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AEW has applied for trademarks for Bunkhouse Stampede, Battlebowl, and Bash at the Beach, all obviously former WCW events whose trademarks WWE let lapse.  Bunkhouse Stampede in particular is closely associated with Dusty Rhodes, so no surprise that Cody would grab it. 

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I think AEW has shot their load too soon. There aren't even any solid rumors about a TV deal, so it's a long way from anyone being able to watch it. Anyone signed to AEW is now not appearing anywhere anyone can see them apart from on the YouTubes. If and when, and I don't think it's by any means certain, they get on TV, their buzz will be all but over.

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Kriss wrote: I think AEW has shot their load too soon. There aren't even any solid rumors about a TV deal, so it's a long way from anyone being able to watch it. Anyone signed to AEW is now not appearing anywhere anyone can see them apart from on the YouTubes. If and when, and I don't think it's by any means certain, they get on TV, their buzz will be all but over.
I don't understand that comment at all.  They're building towards Double or Nothing in May at the MGM Grand, and have already announced another event in July.  These supercards are generating tons of buzz and selling tickets at major arenas.  They've also got that old NWO vibe of "who will join next" that they've created after only one official show, and that hasn't existed in wrestling in almost 20 years.  Every time rumors leak about someone being unhappy in WWE, AEW gets free publicity as everyone starts wondering if they will sign him.  They will likely make an announcement about a TV deal at one of them and then the buzz will go through the roof again. 

I think the only mistake they made was giving away the Young Bucks vs. Lucha Bros. unadvertised on a AAA show a few days ago when that match is booked for Double or Nothing. 

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I think you follow the indies a lot closer than I do. There has been a lot of buzz about who will join next, but all I see are WWE signing people. Certainly no can be said to have jumped. They might get people like Anderson & Gallows who aren't on WWE TV anyway. That's not Diesel and Razor.

Fair play if you are still excited, but I've moved on.

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AEW needs to get a few more "names" simply for the mainstream crowd. I think AEW has the die hard fans excited, and rightfully so, but the casual fans won't know what a Lucha Bro is, or who MFJ is.

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wittman2 wrote: AEW needs to get a few more "names" simply for the mainstream crowd. I think AEW has the die hard fans excited, and rightfully so, but the casual fans won't know what a Lucha Bro is, or who MFJ is.Honestly, and it goes against everything they are about, they really need to sign Bill Goldberg and get him to wrestle once or twice a year for the first two years.  He needs to do at least one TV per month in person, and that will be the "big name" that they can use to bring in some older fans that will in turn get hooked on the action from the regular guys.  Everybody wants "young, fresh, new", but in reality you have Cody, the Bucks, and Kenny who are all ten plus year vets as it is.  Put a face on the brand and roll with it.  He is the only guy I can possibly think would do it that would be a major name draw.  Austin could technically do it, but he wouldn't wrestle at all.  CM Punk would be the ultimate guy but he doesn't want to wrestle and part of me thinks that normal mainstream people won't take him seriously after the way he got his ass handed to him in UFC.  There's nobody else even close to being able to move the needle besides the guys I list above. 

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Superstar wrote: wittman2 wrote: AEW needs to get a few more "names" simply for the mainstream crowd. I think AEW has the die hard fans excited, and rightfully so, but the casual fans won't know what a Lucha Bro is, or who MFJ is.Honestly, and it goes against everything they are about, they really need to sign Bill Goldberg and get him to wrestle once or twice a year for the first two years.  He needs to do at least one TV per month in person, and that will be the "big name" that they can use to bring in some older fans that will in turn get hooked on the action from the regular guys.  Everybody wants "young, fresh, new", but in reality you have Cody, the Bucks, and Kenny who are all ten plus year vets as it is.  Put a face on the brand and roll with it.  He is the only guy I can possibly think would do it that would be a major name draw.  Austin could technically do it, but he wouldn't wrestle at all.  CM Punk would be the ultimate guy but he doesn't want to wrestle and part of me thinks that normal mainstream people won't take him seriously after the way he got his ass handed to him in UFC.  There's nobody else even close to being able to move the needle besides the guys I list above. 

Havng Goldberg squash guys half his size twice a year doesn't sound very interesting to me, and i don't know how else you would do it.  Goldberg isn't going to have a match that lasts more than 7 minutes, and who on the AEW roster could believably match up to him?  No one would even buy Goldberg vs. Cody, much less Goldberg vs. one of the 180-pounders they have.  Besides, they do have Jericho, who fits in better with what they do. 

I think that mainstream appeal is overrated if they can land a decent TV station and keep the social media interest strong, and of course sell tickets to live shows.  It's not 1998 anymore, you don't need to pull down a 5.0 rating on a top 10 basic cable station to be successful.  Niche shows with passionate fans can make money as long as you don't spend foolishly.  Remember that TNA had finally turned the corner and was in the black (barely, but they were) when they trid to get too big with Hogan and Bischoff and it basically ended the company in any practical sense.  They just need be able to pay the bills without being a financial burdon on their billionaire owner, exactly like ROH, and I think they can be around for 20+ years.  Otherwise, you're looking at the potential for a quick crash and burn.  And Rule #1 should be: WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH WWE.  Be the best of the rest and everyone will make money.  Not tons, but enough.    

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: wittman2 wrote: AEW needs to get a few more "names" simply for the mainstream crowd. I think AEW has the die hard fans excited, and rightfully so, but the casual fans won't know what a Lucha Bro is, or who MFJ is.Honestly, and it goes against everything they are about, they really need to sign Bill Goldberg and get him to wrestle once or twice a year for the first two years.  He needs to do at least one TV per month in person, and that will be the "big name" that they can use to bring in some older fans that will in turn get hooked on the action from the regular guys.  Everybody wants "young, fresh, new", but in reality you have Cody, the Bucks, and Kenny who are all ten plus year vets as it is.  Put a face on the brand and roll with it.  He is the only guy I can possibly think would do it that would be a major name draw.  Austin could technically do it, but he wouldn't wrestle at all.  CM Punk would be the ultimate guy but he doesn't want to wrestle and part of me thinks that normal mainstream people won't take him seriously after the way he got his ass handed to him in UFC.  There's nobody else even close to being able to move the needle besides the guys I list above. 

Havng Goldberg squash guys half his size twice a year doesn't sound very interesting to me, and i don't know how else you would do it.  Goldberg isn't going to have a match that lasts more than 7 minutes, and who on the AEW roster could believably match up to him?  No one would even buy Goldberg vs. Cody, much less Goldberg vs. one of the 180-pounders they have.  Besides, they do have Jericho, who fits in better with what they do. 

I think that mainstream appeal is overrated if they can land a decent TV station and keep the social media interest strong, and of course sell tickets to live shows.  It's not 1998 anymore, you don't need to pull down a 5.0 rating on a top 10 basic cable station to be successful.  Niche shows with passionate fans can make money as long as you don't spend foolishly.  Remember that TNA had finally turned the corner and was in the black (barely, but they were) when they trid to get too big with Hogan and Bischoff and it basically ended the company in any practical sense.  They just need be able to pay the bills without being a financial burdon on their billionaire owner, exactly like ROH, and I think they can be around for 20+ years.  Otherwise, you're looking at the potential for a quick crash and burn.  And Rule #1 should be: WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH WWE.  Be the best of the rest and everyone will make money.  Not tons, but enough.   
The only three big matches for Goldberg are Cody, Kenny, and Jericho.  And I think all three would sell tickets.  And honestly if you could get him for all three matches and put over at least Cody and/or Kenny with the Jericho match being a brawl that Goldberg wins, then you've accomplished something.  And I do believe that they need to keep an eye on WWE but try to do everything to NOT directly compete.  If they do things correctly, they could surpass ROH, but they will never surpass WWE.  They can hope that with a correct seven year plan that they could at least attempt to match WWE, but it cannot be in the media - it has to be behind the scenes.  I say that if done correctly, they could draw some major WWE stars to their brand over the next seven years, simply by doing basic things.  They are offering health insurance and taking care of all travel arrangements.  That is a HUGE expense to WWE talent.  Couple it with the fact that the only places that they may be going internationally are Canada, Mexico, and Japan, they are going to offer much easier travel schedules with no gimmick cards in places like Saudi Arabia or India.  If they draw the proper WWE talent to their brand, the people will follow them.  And I know it's a LONG TIME AGO, but both the ECW and WCW fanbases pretty much left wrestling when those companies folded.  I'm sure that there are some of those guys that now have kids and would gladly steer them towards an alternative to WWE.

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Superstar wrote: The only three big matches for Goldberg are Cody, Kenny, and Jericho.  And I think all three would sell tickets.  And honestly if you could get him for all three matches and put over at least Cody and/or Kenny with the Jericho match being a brawl that Goldberg wins, then you've accomplished something. 

Maybe you have him beat Jericho and Cody and then have Omega beat him at the end.  AEW fans might stomach that, but Omega losing to Goldberg at this point in both their careers would have a lot of AEW fans revolt.  Although not nearly as extreme an example, WCW showed that having mainstream attention does nothing but detract from your bottom line if you're driving away your fans in the process.  Bischoff still brags about Leno and Arquette getting WCW a paragraph in USA Today or some shit, in exchange for fans tuning out in droves over that.  The AEW fans who sold out a 10,000 seat arena in minutes to support a product they believed in are going to make WWE fans who shit on Reigns look like fans of Memphis circa 1975.  AEW has to be really careful about how they expand without turning off the uber-smarts, because let's face it, that core fanbase is all they will have for the first year or two and and the second you lose them, you won't have enough time to replace them before you're bleeding red ink.  Then it becomes a matter of how much patience Khan has and how much he's willing to lose while AEW figures out the right mix.  When you think about how much the wrestling fanbase as a whole has contracted since 1998, it's pretty scary.  There's not much leeway even for WWE, much less the indies.  WWE will have everyone watching WM no matter how shitty it is, and then 3 months later they'll be struggling to get 2 million fans to watch any of their shows.  They have a machine in place to absorb all the downtime, but even they are super niche these days. 

Other than WM, I don't think there's any such thing as mainstream appeal in wrestling anymore.  You might be just as well off having Pentagon as Goldberg, especially when you compare their salaries.  Most weeks, Raw is based entirely on guys like Rollins and Styles, which is barely any different except that they're WWE.  But these guys are indy to the core.     

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I would hate to see Goldberg in AEW but if they do bring him in they should put him over Jericho and then feed him to Omega but beyond that I don’t see him doing them much good.


I think AEW needs to be very careful with how they handle their “Stars” from day one as I think fan support could fall off at a moments notice.


Has AEW announced any working relationships with anyone in Japan?

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Franchise wrote: I would hate to see Goldberg in AEW but if they do bring him in they should put him over Jericho and then feed him to Omega but beyond that I don’t see him doing them much good.


I think AEW needs to be very careful with how they handle their “Stars” from day one as I think fan support could fall off at a moments notice.


Has AEW announced any working relationships with anyone in Japan?

Dragon Gate. They have CIMA and company coming in for Double Or Nothing. 

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They also have ties with Omega's former promotion, DDT.

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All Elite Wrestling issued the following:

Legendary Commentator Jim Ross Joins All Elite Wrestling in Most Lucrative Deal in Commentary History

-- AEW Signs Jim Ross to 3-Year Deal as Senior Advisor --

Las Vegas, NV (April 3, 2019) – All Elite Wrestling announced a groundbreaking three-year deal with legendary commentator Jim Ross, generally considered to be the greatest pro wrestling announcer of all time. Effective immediately, Ross will take on the role as Senior Advisor in what is the most lucrative deal in pro wrestling commentary history.

Ross’ first in ring appearance for AEW will be at DOUBLE OR NOTHING, the highly-anticipated event on Saturday, May 25, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. He will also work closely with the senior leaders at AEW on their roadmap to shift and reinvent the wrestling landscape.

“I’ve been part of the wrestling community since I was 7 years old, and there’s no greater thrill than welcoming the voice that I grew up with, Jim Ross, to our AEW family,” said Tony Khan, President of AEW. “We all share a common goal to make this the true golden age, to make this the greatest time ever to be a professional wrestling fan. And, as a business, we also seek to make this a new golden age for the performers and our staff members. Our entire team is thrilled to have Jim onboard and we can’t wait to shake things up together.”

“We’re all excited about having the legendary voice of our childhood come here and help the new generation of talent with his expertise,” said Nick Jackson, EVP at AEW.

“I’m moving on in a very positive way to this timely opportunity to be on the ground floor of one of the most exciting moments in the history of pro wrestling,” said Jim Ross. “I’ve known Tony, Cody, The Young Bucks and Kenny for a long time, and I know they’re going to change the world of pro wrestling. Their roster is already packed with top-level talent and up-and-comers. They’ve got a huge show coming up in May. They’ve brought in game-changing partners like KultureCity. And they’ve got an all-inclusive, welcoming culture like I’ve never seen before. I’m ready to change the world with them.”

All Elite Wrestling AEW is a new professional wrestling promotion headlined by members of The Elite (Cody Rhodes, Nick Jackson, Matt Jackson, Kenny Omega) and Chris Jericho. For the first time in many years, AEW is offering an alternative to mainstream wrestling, with a growing roster of world- class male and female wrestlers who are poised to bring new spirit, freshness and energy to the industry. The inaugural event under the AEW banner is DOUBLE OR NOTHING on May 25 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, followed by FIGHT FOR THE FALLEN on July 13 in Jacksonville. For more info, check out BeingTheElite.com (YouTube), @AEWrestling (Twitter), /TheYoungBucks (Facebook) and @TheBrandiRhodes (Instagram).

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It's been a long time since Jim Ross was the Head of Talent Relations for WWE and I really think his time has passed to hold such a top-ranking position in a new company. Senior Advisor can mean a lot of things, but I don't know how well he'll fit.

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WWE Hall of Famer Jim Ross, who just signed with All Elite Wrestling as their Senior Advisor in what was touted as the biggest money contract for a commentator in pro wrestling history stated in an interview with WFAN Radio in New York City that AEW TV will debut on "a major cable network" this October.

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Reports are Turner Sports (TBS,TNT) will present AWE at their Upfronts to Advertisers May 15.

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bpickering wrote: Reports are Turner Sports (TBS,TNT) will present AWE at their Upfronts to Advertisers May 15.
How ironic.  They so desperately wanted to get out of the rasslin business 20 years ago.

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I am interested to see how AEW translates as a promotion once it is up and running on a larger scale. Those "Being The Elite" segments on YouTube get lots of views. AEW, or what amounts to it, sold out the Chicago show last fall. As AEW, it has another sell out coming up. However, these are two effective supercards that have relied on fly in fans with lots of advance build up. What happens when the promotion must run more regularly to get TV content created and must draw on the road in situations in which it can't rely on the internet hardcores from far away to fill the seats?

I realize we are talking about two different promotions with two different fan bases and promotional styles. However, TNA went live up against Raw with Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Sting, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, X-Pac, Rob Van Dam, the Dudleys, Jeff Hardy, and Mick Foley, plus familiar midcarders from the WWE, WCW, and ECW and home grown stars or guys with indy roots like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, and James Storm. It got killed. TNA, of course, couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena, then or now, if the show was free let alone sell all the tickets as AEW has.

Can AEW's momentum be sustained? Is this a case of there being a huge fan base out there waiting for AEW or is this a case of 25,000 people making a lot of noise that won't translate to this higher visibility stage that requires a larger audience?

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tamalie wrote: I am interested to see how AEW translates as a promotion once it is up and running on a larger scale. Those "Being The Elite" segments on YouTube get lots of views. AEW, or what amounts to it, sold out the Chicago show last fall. As AEW, it has another sell out coming up. However, these are two effective supercards that have relied on fly in fans with lots of advance build up. What happens when the promotion must run more regularly to get TV content created and must draw on the road in situations in which it can't rely on the internet hardcores from far away to fill the seats?

I realize we are talking about two different promotions with two different fan bases and promotional styles. However, TNA went live up against Raw with Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle, Sting, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, X-Pac, Rob Van Dam, the Dudleys, Jeff Hardy, and Mick Foley, plus familiar midcarders from the WWE, WCW, and ECW and home grown stars or guys with indy roots like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, and James Storm. It got killed. TNA, of course, couldn't put 10,000 people in an arena, then or now, if the show was free let alone sell all the tickets as AEW has.

Can AEW's momentum be sustained? Is this a case of there being a huge fan base out there waiting for AEW or is this a case of 25,000 people making a lot of noise that won't translate to this higher visibility stage that requires a larger audience?

I don't think AEW will be stupid enough to compete directly against WWE, or even see themselves as competition for WWE.  They don't have to.  If they can be twice as successful as ROH, maybe 1.5 times as successful, that will be a hell of an accomplishment and they can stay in business for years with everyone comfortably making money and the Khans floating them for life. 

And TNA's attempt at going head-to-head with Raw, no matter what talent they had lined up, was so poorly thought out and rushed that it's really not a fair comparison.  It almost came across as a rib by Hogan and Bischoff more than a serious attempt at doing business.  Hogan and Bischoff were getting paid massive amounts of money either way, money that TNA didn't have and wasn't going to be sustainable without them actually beating WWE, which was never going to happen.  Their mistake was hiring them in the first place.  Hogan and Bischoff saw Dixie for what she was, a money mark.  You know privately, at some point, one said to the other, "This might be our last huge paycheck in the business so let's just cash in and squeeze this dry.  If it works then great, if not we made our money and the fallout is TNA's problem."  I don't get that sense at all from the AEW project.  Tony Khan seems to be a legit businessman as well as a fan and Cody and the Bucks know their necks are on the line to make this work.  No one is in a rush to piss away other people's money like in TNA.   

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I think that AEW currently has the good will of the hardcore fans. If AEW keeps trying to give the fans what they want the fans will attend. Good Will is a fragile thing though and AEW is going to have to deliver and if they do a Bone headed thing like bring Goldberg in and put him over Omega or something crazy that good will be gone before the ring is taken down.

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Franchise wrote: I think that AEW currently has the good will of the hardcore fans. If AEW keeps trying to give the fans what they want the fans will attend. Good Will is a fragile thing though and AEW is going to have to deliver and if they do a Bone headed thing like bring Goldberg in and put him over Omega or something crazy that good will be gone before the ring is taken down.
It's going to be a constant struggle between keeping the current base happy and expanding that base.  If they're smart, they'll start small and try to grow organically without doing anything too splashy out of the gate that goes against what the fans who got them this far want to see.  It's a fine line.  

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AEW has announced the signing of EVOLVE star Darby Allin.  I've never seen him but I've heard good things. 

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Cody vs. Dustin is official for Double or Nothing. I must’ve missed it but Dustin apparently left WWE in late March after his contract expired and he refused to re-sign.  Dustin last wrestled in June 2018 and then had double knee surgery, and he just turned 50 last week, so it’ll be interesting to see exactly what he can do in this match. 

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srossi wrote: Cody vs. Dustin is official for Double or Nothing. I must’ve missed it but Dustin apparently left WWE in late March after his contract expired and he refused to re-sign.  Dustin last wrestled in June 2018 and then had double knee surgery, and he just turned 50 last week, so it’ll be interesting to see exactly what he can do in this match. 
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I’d rather see this match than Goldberg v anyone.

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Franchise wrote: I’d rather see this match than Goldberg v anyone.Gillberg > Goldberg. Gilberg was hilarious. Goldberg was a c%#t.

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I love Dustin, but this will probably be akin to when Tully Blanchard challenged Jeff Jarrett(?) a few years ago. A great promo to set the match up, but without the physical tools to deliver much anymore.

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You might be right but if he has a last great match left in him I imagine he will give it to Cody As trust and cooperation will be at 100% I’m sure.

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It was always their dream to wrestle at WM, and it almost happened once but WWE never gave it to them. This will be their WM match.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: I love Dustin, but this will probably be akin to when Tully Blanchard challenged Jeff Jarrett(?) a few years ago. A great promo to set the match up, but without the physical tools to deliver much anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=394zOMHVF3E

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MLW's Brian Pillman Jr. will appear at Double Or Nothing in the Over The Budget Battle Royal, but he hasn't officially signed with AEW and is still in fact under contract with MLW. Interesting though, to put a guy on PPV when he is under contract to a rival company.

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Tony Khan: Why AEW will be a success, TV Deal, Double or Nothing, CM Punk:



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AEW has hired Jerry Lynn as an agent.

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All Elite Wrestling’s television deal will be announced next week, according to a report by The Wrap.

The story notes that the AEW-Turner deal is “virtually done” and the plan is to announce the TV deal an hour before WarnerMedia’s Upfront presentation on Wednesday.

AEW President Tony Khan will be joined by wrestlers in Madison Square Garden to pitch to advertisers. The presentation begins at 10 am eastern and we’ll have coverage here on WrestlingNews.co.

Turner’s plan is to start airing the weekly AEW show this fall on TNT. It’s worth noting that AEW has registered the Tuesday Night Dynamite trademark so that might be an indication of the night for the show. We’ve also heard that the show would run for two hours and it would be live every week.

This obviously changes the entire wrestling landscape as WWE have real competition for the first time since WCW was sold in 2001.

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Quick question - is Smackdown moving off of Tuesday night when it goes to Fox? I sorta remember reading something about them putting it on Fridays, but maybe I was drinking a lot that day too.

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Superstar wrote: Quick question - is Smackdown moving off of Tuesday night when it goes to Fox? I sorta remember reading something about them putting it on Fridays, but maybe I was drinking a lot that day too.Yeah, Smackdown is taking over The Last Man Standing time slot on Friday 8pm.

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I know they won't do it, but I would like to see them be live every other week. Taping a couple matches before and after the live telecast. When WWF did this, it helped with storyline continuity. This way, you know where your going and the show is episodic instead of having a show, then the next week the show has nothing to do with the week before like WWE does every week. I mean WWE does loser must retire matches, and the very next week, the guy who lost the retirement match is on TV with no explanation. If AEW does that shit, I'm out.

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It will be interesting to see how AEW draws as well as which venues and markets it chooses to run. Producing a weekly live TV shoot, and possibly other non televised shows, is different than having a stand alone supercard that can be promoted well in advance and then draw in lots of fly in fans.

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tamalie wrote: It will be interesting to see how AEW draws as well as which venues and markets it chooses to run. Producing a weekly live TV shoot, and possibly other non televised shows, is different than having a stand alone supercard that can be promoted well in advance and then draw in lots of fly in fans.Absolutely. And to be honest, I'm a little afraid of this. It will also make my theory of taping the next week show during the live show makes even more sense. History shows the ratings do not drop for taped shows (WWF circa 1997-1999) if you put on a good, episodic TV show.

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Taped never bothered me especially if it helps to present a better product

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Jack Evans signed yesterday. Yeah, I know he's a legit loose cannon, but I still like him. He's obviously past his prime in ring since his AAA days, but he developed his character in LU and I'm looking forward to see what he can do on AWE tv.



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tamalie wrote: It will be interesting to see how AEW draws as well as which venues and markets it chooses to run. Producing a weekly live TV shoot, and possibly other non televised shows, is different than having a stand alone supercard that can be promoted well in advance and then draw in lots of fly in fans.

For television, I think they would be best to start with venues like the Hammerstein Ballroom and the old ECW Arena. Small, intimate venues look fine on TV if your production values are good. 

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Guessing they are going to do a lot of taping in the Jacksonville area, just because it's their home base. But I read somewhere they were talking about using Center Stage in Atlanta because it's basically plug and play for taping.

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For some reason, this feels much different than all the other start-ups. You definitely get the sense that these guys are doing everything right and have a real plan. People are inpatient, but it’s building month by month. There’s no TNA bullshit of “We’re about to make the biggest announcement EVER!!!”  They say something will happen in a couple of months, and it does, whether it’s big or small. And the momentum keeps going without ridiculously high expectations. 

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srossi wrote: For some reason, this feels much different than all the other start-ups. You definitely get the sense that these guys are doing everything right and have a real plan. People are inpatient, but it’s building month by month. There’s no TNA bullshit of “We’re about to make the biggest announcement EVER!!!”  They say something will happen in a couple of months, and it does, whether it’s big or small. And the momentum keeps going without ridiculously high expectations. When TNA started, if I remember correctly we heard it was coming and within three weeks they were on weekly PPV.  There wasn't a full year of planning to get to this point.  I know that we haven't had AEW around for a year but I know that Cody has been planning this for a year and just needed the money to do it.  What really gets me is that a group of wrestlers were able to present their product to the Khan family and get them to sign on.   With TNA, you were dealing with the Jarrett family who had been in wrestling for their entire lives.  So if you look at the two models - TNA pretty much went bankrupt in three months and needed the Carter family to bail them out or they were toast.  Up until now, I don't think the Khan family is out too much cash thus far, and when they actually do kick off the product it should draw some people in for the curiosity if nothing else.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: For some reason, this feels much different than all the other start-ups. You definitely get the sense that these guys are doing everything right and have a real plan. People are inpatient, but it’s building month by month. There’s no TNA bullshit of “We’re about to make the biggest announcement EVER!!!”  They say something will happen in a couple of months, and it does, whether it’s big or small. And the momentum keeps going without ridiculously high expectations. When TNA started, if I remember correctly we heard it was coming and within three weeks they were on weekly PPV.  There wasn't a full year of planning to get to this point.  I know that we haven't had AEW around for a year but I know that Cody has been planning this for a year and just needed the money to do it.  What really gets me is that a group of wrestlers were able to present their product to the Khan family and get them to sign on.   With TNA, you were dealing with the Jarrett family who had been in wrestling for their entire lives.  So if you look at the two models - TNA pretty much went bankrupt in three months and needed the Carter family to bail them out or they were toast.  Up until now, I don't think the Khan family is out too much cash thus far, and when they actually do kick off the product it should draw some people in for the curiosity if nothing else.

If you read Jerry Jarrett’s book, they were bankrupt by Week 3 and had to scrape just to last a couple of months for the Carters to bail them out. But I’m not just talking about TNA. There have been so many. Remember MECW in 2001?  They ran one show. All these projects were just basically signing every ex-WCW and ECW star that WWE passed on, throwing them on a show together with no plan beyond that, and pretending they were major league. 

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Angelico, also of LU, has signed with Evans. LU sadly doesn’t look to have a future. 

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Shit just got real. AEW have hired referees Earl Hebner and Paul Turner. Turner has been ROH since pretty much day one.

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srossi wrote: Shit just got real. AEW have hired referees Earl Hebner and Paul Turner. Turner has been ROH since pretty much day one.

They are making some really strange hiring decisions. Guys from the past like Billy Gunn and Earl Heber (69 years young) aren't what's needed.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction right now is that AEW won't be successful. My biggest worry is that Cody will get pushed as the big star. The reason he didn't make it as far as he wanted in WWE is that he really isn't that good. It's looking a little too much like Jeff Jarrett all over again.

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srossi wrote: Shit just got real. AEW have hired referees Earl Hebner and Paul Turner. Turner has been ROH since pretty much day one.
Well, there ya go folks. Fold up the tents, AEW is officially the top wrestling promotion in the world. They've got the ROH ref.No, not the chubby one. The other guy.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Shit just got real. AEW have hired referees Earl Hebner and Paul Turner. Turner has been ROH since pretty much day one.

They are making some really strange hiring decisions. Guys from the past like Billy Gunn and Earl Heber (69 years young) aren't what's needed.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction right now is that AEW won't be successful. My biggest worry is that Cody will get pushed as the big star. The reason he didn't make it as far as he wanted in WWE is that he really isn't that good. It's looking a little too much like Jeff Jarrett all over again.I disagree with what you are saying, if they are doing things the way I think they are.  The reason?  In Billy Gunn, they get a veteran who knows how to put a match together.  He will be a good agent at the arenas, as he's seen pretty much everything there is to see.  Earl Hebner at 69 cannot be considered their Senior Referee.  He's not the Earl Hebner of even five years ago.  But Earl pretty much booked a good majority of the Women's division in TNA for a good while, if not at TV at least on the road.  I don't remember if he was the Women's Agent at TV.  But he also has like 60 years of experience as a ref.  This is a startup company.  They have six big names, and the rest are guys that are filling out the indies.  Those indy guys need to lean on people like Gunn and Hebner to learn how to make an impact on TV.  The one thing that every indy wrestler needs is TV time, and those two guys have forgotten more than any of the young guys know about wrestling on TV.
Oh, and if Cody IS pushed as the big star, you are correct - they are screwing up.  Kenny Omega has to be pushed as their Cena/Reigns.  Cody needs to be at the top, but on opposite sides of Kenny.  They can't do the whole Bullet Club/Elite deal because if they do, the entire rest of the roster will look very weak in comparison.

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Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Shit just got real. AEW have hired referees Earl Hebner and Paul Turner. Turner has been ROH since pretty much day one.

They are making some really strange hiring decisions. Guys from the past like Billy Gunn and Earl Heber (69 years young) aren't what's needed.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction right now is that AEW won't be successful. My biggest worry is that Cody will get pushed as the big star. The reason he didn't make it as far as he wanted in WWE is that he really isn't that good. It's looking a little too much like Jeff Jarrett all over again.I disagree with what you are saying, if they are doing things the way I think they are.  The reason?  In Billy Gunn, they get a veteran who knows how to put a match together.  He will be a good agent at the arenas, as he's seen pretty much everything there is to see.  Earl Hebner at 69 cannot be considered their Senior Referee.  He's not the Earl Hebner of even five years ago.  But Earl pretty much booked a good majority of the Women's division in TNA for a good while, if not at TV at least on the road.  I don't remember if he was the Women's Agent at TV.  But he also has like 60 years of experience as a ref.  This is a startup company.  They have six big names, and the rest are guys that are filling out the indies.  Those indy guys need to lean on people like Gunn and Hebner to learn how to make an impact on TV.  The one thing that every indy wrestler needs is TV time, and those two guys have forgotten more than any of the young guys know about wrestling on TV.
Oh, and if Cody IS pushed as the big star, you are correct - they are screwing up.  Kenny Omega has to be pushed as their Cena/Reigns.  Cody needs to be at the top, but on opposite sides of Kenny.  They can't do the whole Bullet Club/Elite deal because if they do, the entire rest of the roster will look very weak in comparison.

I agree with all of this, and nothing that AEW has done so far shows me that they're idiots.  Omega will be the top star and other guys will be elevated around him.  Cody is running the place and has been positioned as a a main eventer in ROH and across the indies for 2+ years now, plus he was treated very well in NJPW, so anyone who thinks he won't be pushed hard is kidding themselves, but I don't see the problem.  There's never been backlash against him at any shows that I've heard.  If ROH fans accepted him as a top guy, AEW fans certainly will.  They're the same fans. 

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We’re back in the wrestling business! #AEW @AEWrestling pic.twitter.com/1DVRLRdQgd
— TNT Drama (@tntdrama) May 15, 2019
The following press release was issued by WarnerMedia and All Elite Wrestling this morning, confirming they would be partnering to bring the promotion to TNT “later this year” and that WarnerMedia’s Bleacher Report Live platform would be carrying the 5/25 Double or Nothing PPV:

WarnerMedia Partners with All Elite Wrestling for Multi- Platform Launch of Groundbreaking New Wrestling League

TNT to Air Weekly Matches Later This Year


Inaugural May 25 Event Available on B/R Live and via Pay-Per-View


AEW to Introduce a New Generation of Diverse Wrestlers and Give Fans a

New Wrestling Experience for the First Time in 20 Years


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WarnerMedia announced today that it is partnering with All Elite Wrestling (AEW), the new professional wrestling promotion featuring a world-class roster of diverse male and female wrestlers, giving fans a new wrestling experience for the first time in 20 years. WarnerMedia and AEW together will build this powerhouse sporting league from the ground up and will begin airing weekly matches later this year. With this league, AEW is introducing a new generation of wrestlers to fans, offering fun, gripping and authentic athletic matches that will make wrestling more accessible to a broad audience.

WarnerMedia will utilize its position as a next-generation global media company to build this league into a global pro-wrestling franchise.

Founded by President and CEO Tony Khan, AEW is headlined by members of The Elite, which includes all-star wrestlers The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson), Cody and Brandi Rhodes, Kenny Omega, and Hangman Page, and a roster that includes the legendary Chris Jericho. Omega, Cody and The Young Bucks also serve as executive vice presidents of the company in addition to in-ring talent, and Brandi Rhodes also serves as Chief Brand Officer.

Later this year, WarnerMedia will provide exclusive multi-platform access for fans to watch AEW events, airing live weekly matches on TNT in prime time, as well as streaming them through WarnerMedia’s B/R Live and on pay-per-view. A leading digital sports enterprise, B/R Live’s high fan engagement will provide an invaluable opportunity to build AEW’s audience.

“All Elite Wrestling is a talent-forward, fan-first league whose inclusive approach to creating high-quality athletic wrestling competitions is already making waves with fans and attracting top-tier wrestlers,” said Michael Quigley, executive vice president, commercial operations, content strategy and monetization, TBS and TNT. “It is high-adrenaline, gripping entertainment and we can’t wait to bring it to fans everywhere with this game-changing new business.”

“Wrestling fans have wanted – and needed – something different, authentic and better for far too long,” said Tony Khan, President and CEO of AEW. “AEW is answering the call. AEW is about more than wrestling. It’s about a movement fueled by wrestling fans who have been underserved and perhaps even disappointed by what the industry has produced in recent years. AEW is rising to the occasion with DOUBLE OR NOTHING and today taking it a step further by partnering with WarnerMedia, which is as committed as we are to making wrestling fans the one and only priority. With WarnerMedia, AEW is poised globally to redefine wrestling as we know it today.”

Focused on producing fast-paced, high-impact competitions, AEW offers fans less scripted, soapy drama, and more athleticism and real sports analytics, bringing a legitimacy to wrestling that it has not previously had. Wrestlers will also be given more freedom to explore their characters and highlight their athletic abilities. Introducing statistics to wrestling for the first time ever, AEW will raise the stakes for its matches and deepen fan engagement by tracking each competitor’s wins and losses as the wrestlers pursue championships, analyzing their moves, assessing damage to their opponents, and providing insights into their winning streaks.

B/R Live
will serve as the exclusive digital streaming partner in the United States for AEW’s inaugural event, DOUBLE OR NOTHING, on Saturday, May 25, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. DOUBLE OR NOTHING, which sold out in under 30 minutes, features an exhilarating card including the headline clash between Kenny Omega and Chris Jericho; Cody taking on his brother Dustin Rhodes; The Young Bucks battling the Lucha Bros for the AAA World Tag Team Championship; Hangman Adam Page clashing with PAC; and Britt Baker, Nyla Rose and Kylie Rae competing in a three-way match.

Additionally, the hour-long live pre-show special THE BUY-IN will stream on WarnerMedia and AEW’s social channels. BUY-IN includes the first ever “Casino (Battle) Royale,” which will see 21 competitors including Jimmy Havoc, Billy Gunn, MJF and Jungle Boy entering the ring in waves of five wrestlers every three minutes followed by one final entrant, lucky number 21, all fighting it out in the ring until there is one winner, whose reward will be a future title shot against the first ever AEW World Champion.

The media rights deal was negotiated by Khan and Bernie Cahill, co-founder of Activist Artists Management, LLC, an entity in which Khan is also an investor and partner.

About WarnerMedia
WarnerMedia is a leading media and entertainment company that creates and distributes premium and popular content from a diverse array of talented storytellers and journalists to global audiences through its consumer brands including: HBO, Warner Bros., TNT, TBS, CNN, DC Entertainment, New Line, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, Turner Classic Movies, truTV and others. WarnerMedia is part of AT&T Inc. (NYSE:T).

All Elite Wrestling
AEW is a new professional wrestling promotion headlined by members of The Elite (The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Cody and Brandi Rhodes, and Hangman Page) and Chris Jericho. For the first time in many years, AEW is offering an alternative to mainstream wrestling, with a growing roster of world-class male and female wrestlers who are poised to bring new spirit, freshness and energy to the industry. The inaugural event under the AEW banner is DOUBLE OR NOTHING on May 25 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, followed by FYTER FEST on June 29 in Daytona Beach, followed by FIGHT FOR THE FALLEN on July 13 in Jacksonville. For more info, check out @AEWrestling (Twitter), @AllEliteWrestling (Instagram), /AllEliteWrestling (FB), AllEliteWrestling (YouTube), and additionally, AllEliteWrestling.com.

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Chris Jericho has announced that AEW has also made a deal with ITV to air in the UK.

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srossi wrote: Chris Jericho has announced that AEW has also made a deal with ITV to air in the UK.

I had never heard of ITV Box Office before this was announced last week. Pay Per View wrestling at 1am isn't going to do big numbers, especially on a brand new channel that only shows third rate boxing. The pre-show will be free on ITV4. 

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ITV have made a pretty good 45 minute primer on AEW to advertise the PPV.


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Several readers sent word that in the last few minutes, this Saturday's All Elite Wrestling Double or Nothing PPV was plugged by announcer Marv Albert during the NBA Playoff game on TNT, complete with a graphic featuring the PPV's logo and pictures of Chris Jericho and Kenny Omega.

The graphic plugged that the PPV can be ordered on WarnerMedia's Bleacher Report Live.

This was the first sign of TNT cross-promoting AEW in advance of their eventual debut there this Fall, but it certainly will not be the last.

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Cody is doing press and is planning for the TV show will be 2 hours live every week from a different venue, but this is not yet confirmed.  But it will only be TV and PPVs, he said he isn't expecting to run house shows, at least not any time soon.

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srossi wrote: PWInsider:

Several readers sent word that in the last few minutes, this Saturday's All Elite Wrestling Double or Nothing PPV was plugged by announcer Marv Albert during the NBA Playoff game on TNT, complete with a graphic featuring the PPV's logo and pictures of Chris Jericho and Kenny Omega.

The graphic plugged that the PPV can be ordered on WarnerMedia's Bleacher Report Live.

This was the first sign of TNT cross-promoting AEW in advance of their eventual debut there this Fall, but it certainly will not be the last.

That seems like a pretty good plug; obviously the E is going to be number one for a very long time but some of this stuff has to have the E sweating a little. 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: PWInsider:

Several readers sent word that in the last few minutes, this Saturday's All Elite Wrestling Double or Nothing PPV was plugged by announcer Marv Albert during the NBA Playoff game on TNT, complete with a graphic featuring the PPV's logo and pictures of Chris Jericho and Kenny Omega.

The graphic plugged that the PPV can be ordered on WarnerMedia's Bleacher Report Live.

This was the first sign of TNT cross-promoting AEW in advance of their eventual debut there this Fall, but it certainly will not be the last.

That seems like a pretty good plug; obviously the E is going to be number one for a very long time but some of this stuff has to have the E sweating a little. 

The plug is fine but at the end of the day none of this mainstream shit means anything. Karl Malone was literally doing Diamond Cutter hand gestures during the NBA Finals and what did it really mean?  There are wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans and you’re not getting many converts.  WWE has to worry about losing more of their existing base to the competition, which is already dwindling. That won’t be determined by Marv Albert plugs, but AEW could be real threat. 

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Marv Albert somehow managed to mispronounce Chris Jericho's name.

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srossi I agree completely I’m just saying as a company they are getting traction with their partner which seems impressive to me.

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tamalie wrote: Marv Albert somehow managed to mispronounce Chris Jericho's name.Shocking! Marv is getting old, but you know damn well he did that on purpose.

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Luchasaurus officially signed with AEW today.

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The Dustin - Cody match was unbelievable. I cant believe how in shape Dustin is, especially being 50. Broke out a tope off the apron and one of those sunset flip power bombs.  All while bleeding like a stuck pig.

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nyhack56 wrote: The Dustin - Cody match was unbelievable. I cant believe how in shape Dustin is, especially being 50. Broke out a tope off the apron and one of those sunset flip power bombs.  All while bleeding like a stuck pig.
After watching the two events so far and seeing Cody steal the show with two guys who aren't exactly the best in the world, Nick Aldis and a 50-year old Dustin Rhodes, I just have to laugh at all the smarks who say that Cody isn't a good worker and they hope he doesn't push himself.  STFU.  This is why Vince thinks you're idiots.  Cody had the two best and most emotional matches on those shows by actually working, and by basically building up the angles all by himself with his home-shot promos.  And he blew away Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks, Pentagon Dark, and all the other Internet favorites.  Cody has become one of the best old school wrestlers in the world and people who claim to like that still shit on him.  You lose all credibility.  I don't remember any of the spotfests, but I'll remember those two Cody matches in 10-15 years.  And Cody didn't book either to be in the main event, even though they both (especially the first one) should've been. 

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After the emotion of Cody winning the NWA world title, which was all built around the fact that his father never saw him become (a) world champion, and a blood feud with his brother to "kill the Attitude Era," where does he go now? It'll be difficult for him to keep this up with weekly TV. If he's prepared to stay in the background and only come out for two or three big feuds a year, he'll be great, though.

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Kriss wrote: After the emotion of Cody winning the NWA world title, which was all built around the fact that his father never saw him become (a) world champion, and a blood feud with his brother to "kill the Attitude Era," where does he go now? It'll be difficult for him to keep this up with weekly TV. If he's prepared to stay in the background and only come out for two or three big feuds a year, he'll be great, though.
He's 33 and in his prime, having had perfectly good matches in ROH and NJPW for 2 years and 2 spectacular matches for AEW.  He has no reason to limit himself like he's Brock Lesnar at this point in his career, and it's unrealistic to think he will. 

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Is MJF under contract to MLW? AEW needs to sign him ASAP. I love this guy. He's a great old-school heel, not afraid to show ass.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: After the emotion of Cody winning the NWA world title, which was all built around the fact that his father never saw him become (a) world champion, and a blood feud with his brother to "kill the Attitude Era," where does he go now? It'll be difficult for him to keep this up with weekly TV. If he's prepared to stay in the background and only come out for two or three big feuds a year, he'll be great, though.
He's 33 and in his prime, having had perfectly good matches in ROH and NJPW for 2 years and 2 spectacular matches for AEW.  He has no reason to limit himself like he's Brock Lesnar at this point in his career, and it's unrealistic to think he will. 

I would think Cody and the rest of the core will be going full blast; wasn’t that kind of the point? Do their own thing so they can be who they want to be? 

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Kriss wrote: After the emotion of Cody winning the NWA world title, which was all built around the fact that his father never saw him become (a) world champion, and a blood feud with his brother to "kill the Attitude Era," where does he go now? It'll be difficult for him to keep this up with weekly TV. If he's prepared to stay in the background and only come out for two or three big feuds a year, he'll be great, though.
imo, it is not just cody that has to worry about this when weekly tv comes around, but the entire roster.  but i imagine they will focus on much more than the core of VP's and hangman page at the point of tv.
i may be in the minority, but hangman page is the world champ is not overly exciting to me.  i like him fine as a midcard guy, but i am not sold on him as the main event?
lastly, if omega does not go against and beat moxley at the next ppv, i question leaving njpw at this point.  i get the booking to an extent, but him losing and then the bucks winning really surprised me.  i will say, it was a far more enjoyable ppv than MITB, and i am excited to see what NXT does tonight in response.

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AEW has officially signed Shawn Spears, the WWE's Tye Dillinger.  Spears appeared at Double or Nothing so this was expected. 

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Omega vs. Moxley was officially announced for All Out on Aug. 31 today.

Also booked is Chris Jericho vs. Adam Page to crown the first-ever AEW World champion.

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AEW All Out sold out in 15 minutes today.  PWInsider says there were as many as 60,000 people in the queue waiting for tickets.

It was also announced that Tony Khan would be on Steve Austin's podcast on Tuesday.

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For those of you who may be speculating on possible WWE departures jumping ship to AEW or elsewhere, here is an ongoing resource list featuring confirmed contract expirations, reported by news outlets or the talent themselves. You can also find Fightful's constantly updated injury report at the link below.

Shinsuke Nakamura: 2019
The Good Brothers: September 2019
Luke Harper: Late 2019
Matt and Jeff Hardy: March 2020J
The Revival: April 2020 (Dash Wilder had two months tacked on)
Mandy Rose: Late 2020
Rey Mysterio: October 2020 (out clause after 18 months)
Randy Orton: 2020 (ten-year deal in 2010)
Ronda Rousey: April 10, 2021
Big Show: Spring 2021
Daniel Bryan: September 2021
Sami Zayn: Fall 2021 (signed three-year deal before June 2018 injury. Contract extended due to missed time for injury)

http://www.fightful.com/wrestling/exclusives/confirmed-wrestling-contract-expirations-wwe-njpw-roh-gfw-lu

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Explain why there are so many fans excited about this?

I do not watch anything except 5 mins of wwe about once every 2 or 3 months when flipping channels. It is awful.

So what is so great about AEW that i should seek it out, as a former fan, who the industry discarded about 20 years ago....

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Because it is a legit new wrestling company and VKM isn't there to screw it up. I'm gonna at least give it a try for the first couple of years, if I don't die beforehand.

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Quattro wrote: Explain why there are so many fans excited about this?

I do not watch anything except 5 mins of wwe about once every 2 or 3 months when flipping channels. It is awful.

So what is so great about AEW that i should seek it out, as a former fan, who the industry discarded about 20 years ago....


If ROH or NXT doesn’t interest you I can’t imagine AEW will draw you back in. 

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Franchise wrote: Quattro wrote: Explain why there are so many fans excited about this?

I do not watch anything except 5 mins of wwe about once every 2 or 3 months when flipping channels. It is awful.

So what is so great about AEW that i should seek it out, as a former fan, who the industry discarded about 20 years ago....


If ROH or NXT doesn’t interest you I can’t imagine AEW will draw you back in. 


Exactly.  That is why I am not even going to go out of my way try and engage this new product. 

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Steve Austin returned to podcasting with today's episode of the Steve Austin Show, with AEW President Tony Khan.

The Texas Rattlesnake announces that the podcast format will be one "live" (new) episode on Tuesdays and a classic episode rebroadcast on Thursdays.

Moving on to the interview with Tony Khan, they discuss Double or Nothing, the performance of Dustin Rhodes and the importance of emotion, Tony's fandom of the Natural, details on Bret Hart appearing on the pay-per-view, going into the show doing a promotion with very little footage and more.

Khan discusses the importance of tag teams in AEW, revealing that not only will there be a Tag Team Tournament to crown the first-ever AEW male Tag Team Champions when they get weekly television in the fall on TNT, but also announced there will be Womens Tag Team Championships down the line.

Austin opens up about how the Stone Cold Podcast with the former Dean Ambrose, now Jon Moxley, really affected him. Austin discusses reconnecting with Moxley and saying everything is all good now.

Moxley has communicated with Austin and he will do a future episode of the Steve Austin Show.

Tony talks about where he sees their business model, saying that AEW will not have a traditional house show model. He states he doesn't want performers wearing themselves out six nights a week. Khan says he can't really do an off-season in the modern era, but you can give talent time to breathe. Tony says that they could do a few live events and supplement the lives of performers with international dates or other business opportunities from his media partners.

Steve Austin asks Khan If that model is sustainable and Khan believes that it is.

Stone Cold follows up by asking Tony about his father and their relationship. Tony goes into how his father is invested in AEW.

Khan talks about all the lessons he learned in production with Double or Nothing, Fyter and Fight for The Fallen.

Tony confirms that Fight for The Fallen, like Fytcr, will be free for on Bleacher Report Live in the US.

It's a really great interview.

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Steve Austin returned to podcasting with today's episode of the Steve Austin Show, with AEW President Tony Khan.

The Texas Rattlesnake announces that the podcast format will be one "live" (new) episode on Tuesdays and a classic episode rebroadcast on Thursdays.

Moving on to the interview with Tony Khan, they discuss Double or Nothing, the performance of Dustin Rhodes and the importance of emotion, Tony's fandom of the Natural, details on Bret Hart appearing on the pay-per-view, going into the show doing a promotion with very little footage and more.

Khan discusses the importance of tag teams in AEW, revealing that not only will there be a Tag Team Tournament to crown the first-ever AEW male Tag Team Champions when they get weekly television in the fall on TNT, but also announced there will be Womens Tag Team Championships down the line.

Austin opens up about how the Stone Cold Podcast with the former Dean Ambrose, now Jon Moxley, really affected him. Austin discusses reconnecting with Moxley and saying everything is all good now.

Moxley has communicated with Austin and he will do a future episode of the Steve Austin Show.

Tony talks about where he sees their business model, saying that AEW will not have a traditional house show model. He states he doesn't want performers wearing themselves out six nights a week. Khan says he can't really do an off-season in the modern era, but you can give talent time to breathe. Tony says that they could do a few live events and supplement the lives of performers with international dates or other business opportunities from his media partners.

Steve Austin asks Khan If that model is sustainable and Khan believes that it is.

Stone Cold follows up by asking Tony about his father and their relationship. Tony goes into how his father is invested in AEW.

Khan talks about all the lessons he learned in production with Double or Nothing, Fyter and Fight for The Fallen.

Tony confirms that Fight for The Fallen, like Fytcr, will be free for on Bleacher Report Live in the US.

It's a really great interview.
After listening to this podcast, I decided to go to the Network to listen to the Stone Cold Podcast with Dean Ambrose. I have to ask, did WWE edit out the parts that Austin disliked? Because I must say that I did not sence any serious hostility from either man. At one point, my wife came home from work and starting talking to me, but that was only for like a minute. 

Even the part where Austin started talking about Dean resting on his laurels as WWE champion - that was at the very end of the broadcast, despite Austin stating that the interview started off on the wrong foot from the beginning. It just didn't seem as bad as Austin made it out to be when he was talking to Tony Khan. So does anyone know if it was edited, I didn't see any noticeable jump cuts.

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Heenan Fan wrote: bpickering wrote: pwinsider.com

Steve Austin returned to podcasting with today's episode of the Steve Austin Show, with AEW President Tony Khan.

The Texas Rattlesnake announces that the podcast format will be one "live" (new) episode on Tuesdays and a classic episode rebroadcast on Thursdays.

Moving on to the interview with Tony Khan, they discuss Double or Nothing, the performance of Dustin Rhodes and the importance of emotion, Tony's fandom of the Natural, details on Bret Hart appearing on the pay-per-view, going into the show doing a promotion with very little footage and more.

Khan discusses the importance of tag teams in AEW, revealing that not only will there be a Tag Team Tournament to crown the first-ever AEW male Tag Team Champions when they get weekly television in the fall on TNT, but also announced there will be Womens Tag Team Championships down the line.

Austin opens up about how the Stone Cold Podcast with the former Dean Ambrose, now Jon Moxley, really affected him. Austin discusses reconnecting with Moxley and saying everything is all good now.

Moxley has communicated with Austin and he will do a future episode of the Steve Austin Show.

Tony talks about where he sees their business model, saying that AEW will not have a traditional house show model. He states he doesn't want performers wearing themselves out six nights a week. Khan says he can't really do an off-season in the modern era, but you can give talent time to breathe. Tony says that they could do a few live events and supplement the lives of performers with international dates or other business opportunities from his media partners.

Steve Austin asks Khan If that model is sustainable and Khan believes that it is.

Stone Cold follows up by asking Tony about his father and their relationship. Tony goes into how his father is invested in AEW.

Khan talks about all the lessons he learned in production with Double or Nothing, Fyter and Fight for The Fallen.

Tony confirms that Fight for The Fallen, like Fytcr, will be free for on Bleacher Report Live in the US.

It's a really great interview.
After listening to this podcast, I decided to go to the Network to listen to the Stone Cold Podcast with Dean Ambrose. I have to ask, did WWE edit out the parts that Austin disliked? Because I must say that I did not sence any serious hostility from either man. At one point, my wife came home from work and starting talking to me, but that was only for like a minute. 

Even the part where Austin started talking about Dean resting on his laurels as WWE champion - that was at the very end of the broadcast, despite Austin stating that the interview started off on the wrong foot from the beginning. It just didn't seem as bad as Austin made it out to be when he was talking to Tony Khan. So does anyone know if it was edited, I didn't see any noticeable jump cuts.

I saw it when it first aired and remember it as you described. Austin always jumped into working mode at the end in these interviews, like he did with Lesnar, and that’s what it seemed like to me. I didn’t notice a whole lot else earlier, other than the fact that Ambrose is just a really weird guy not comfortable in that type of environment. I also recall Ambrose getting heat for saying the Lesnar match at WM sucked because Lesnar wasn’t willing to do anything.     

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First few minutes were awkward because of the childhood questions. Austin kind of kept asking while it seemed like Dean was avoiding talking too deep about it or saying something negative. He obviously wasn't comfortable for first 10 or so minutes of interview

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Infamous wrote: First few minutes were awkward because of the childhood questions. Austin kind of kept asking while it seemed like Dean was avoiding talking too deep about it or saying something negative. He obviously wasn't comfortable for first 10 or so minutes of interviewI don't disagree with you, but it's kind of hard to tell because even when both Steve and Dean/Jon are out of character, they're both in character somewhat. And even though Dean seemed put off by Austin talking about his childhood, I really didn't think Austin was out of line in any way with his questioning. Which is why I asked if the show was edited. I don't think it was a storyline work or anything like that, I just don't see (unless there was editing) much where there would be heat between the two after watching this?



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AEW files trademark for Wednesday Night Dynamite

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/127404/a-big-clue-as-to-when-aew-will-air-their-weekly-tv.html?p=1

Apparently AEW has decided to move their show to Wednesday night to avoid being preempted or being shuffled around due to NBA on TNT on Tuesday nights. The NBA does have games on Wednesday night's during the post season however.

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During the NBA playoffs, ESPN and TNT split coverage on weekday nights. When one network has coverage, the other does not. There were instances of both having weekend coverage but scheduling is such that the timeslots never conflict with one in the afternoon and the other at night. It is theoretically possible for TNT to not have playoff games on Wednesdays. The other possibility is that if TNT has Wednesday playoff games, then AEW can air on a one off occasion on a night when ESPN has the NBA playoffs. TNT's main NBA regular season night is Thursday, but it has some odd Monday and Tuesday games either due to NCAA Basketball Tournament preemptions or to fulfill its minimum number of games since it isn't possible to air all on Thursdays. Wednesday and Friday are ESPN's NBA nights with the odd other night occasionally.

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Stealing most of the attention from the good matches at FyterFest was the unprotected chair shot to the head that Cody took from Tye Dillinger last night. Cody needed stitches but supposedly passed the concussion impact test. Tony Khan insisted this was a “mistake” and not a planned spot, comparing it to “pilot error”, although both wrestlers were clearly involved in it. Although not nearly as bad as anything you saw in the ‘90s, this spot has gotten all sorts of negative attention and is really the last thing AEW needs. Dillinger can take the fall of course, but Cody being involved and apparently agreeing to take a head shot that Khan wasn’t aware of is something that could cause problems.

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