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cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 



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bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 



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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 

I think Jesse was there setting up for a match with Hogan 

The Next card in MN was WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Mad Dog Vachon defeated George Steele & Big John Studd (sub. for Jesse Ventura) (w/ Bobby Heenan)

Sure if he didn't get the blood Clots he would had wrestled Hogan for the title the next card.  As the next card had Hogan vs Studd. 

The Card before the Hogan/ Gene tag match had Hogan vs George.  Was Fuji managing George around the time? 

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The plan was definitely for Hogan and Ventura to pair off. The WWF tried to appeal as much as possible to AWA fans during 1984.

Mr. Fuji was managing George Steele at the time, at least on some shows. The WWF was moving fast with expansion and talent acquisitions. Manager/wrestler alliances often lasted as briefly as a taping or two and then shifted without angles or explanations.

Regarding Gene wrestling, he was a big deal to Minnesota wrestling fans and the tag team match got a ton of local publicity for the WWF as the new game in town. However, I thought to some extent having Gene Okerlund as the paunchy bald guy in the ring was meant as a parody of Verne Gagne and his occasional comebacks. Verne was a legend and a great amateur wrestler, but didn't look the part by the end of his career and certainly not during his 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986 one off comeback matches.

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Jesse and Hulk did meet up in Bloomington at the Met center in 1985. Drew a good house for it. Think it ended up being a one-off.



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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 

Going from memory- which is clogged with malted hops- Hogan wanted prove he could beat Fuji & Steele alone, so he picked Mean Gene as a partner.  Having Gene as a partner was like not having a partner.  In the match Gene wasn't supposed to actually wrestle.  He and Hogan high fived- and the ref ruled it a tag and Gene was forced to enter the ring.

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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: I forgot that Gene was the interview for the famous "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?" line. A few people who work for WWE Network are definitely from the IWC or there's no way in hell they would've included this.

After Bret called him on his doubt, Gene persisted in suggesting El Dandy was unworthy of a US Title shot at Bret which led the Hitman to let off another awesome, but forgotten, zinger, saying "Okay, what about Hypnosis then?"




He hit it out of the park with one more great forgotten line when he went on to challenge Dean Malenjo next, who was out with an injury. Bret said he had a real injury and has “a groin pull the likes of which you’ve never seen before.”



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When talking about Psychosis, he said "He's a high flyer of the highest magnatude". He also "axed" Booker T a question. I've said it here before and I'll say it again, that was the best promo of Bret Hart's career - and he had some good ones in WWF when he was the Anti American Canadian. Bret was gold in this segment and quite honestly had hit his stride at this point in WCW.



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I'd forgotten about Bret's groin pull remark when comparing his real injury to what he claimed was a phony one on Dean's part. His outstanding delivery made that great line even better. It is too bad a combination of his own injuries, time he took off due to Owen's death, and the usual front office and booking garbage in WCW halted the momentum of what could have been a main event heel run for Bret. That summer, due to injuries and guys going home due to politics, the main heels in WCW for a time were Kevin Nash, Sid, and Rick Steiner along with the Jersey Triad. Bret could absolutely have carried the ball as lead heel had he been available.

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I thought the tag match with Hogan was Gene’s only wrestling match until WWE Network aired him and Sheamus against Alberto Del Rio and Daniel Bryan from Smackdown in 2012. Gene doesn’t do anything in that match and legends led by Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper come out and help Sheamus win.

So then I looked him up on Cagematch.net to see if there were any other matches I forgot about and apparently in 2000, at the depths of WCW’s suckitude, Gene feuded with Mark Madden. He pinned him in a singles match and teamed with Buff Bagwell to beat him and Kanyon in a tag match on back-to-back Thunders. I defy anyone to remember any of that nonsense.

Anyway, Gene was 4-0 in his career.

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srossi wrote: I thought the tag match with Hogan was Gene’s only wrestling match until WWE Network aired him and Sheamus against Alberto Del Rio and Daniel Bryan from Smackdown in 2012. Gene doesn’t do anything in that match and legends led by Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper come out and help Sheamus win.

So then I looked him up on Cagematch.net to see if there were any other matches I forgot about and apparently in 2000, at the depths of WCW’s suckitude, Gene feuded with Mark Madden. He pinned him in a singles match and teamed with Buff Bagwell to beat him and Kanyon in a tag match on back-to-back Thunders. I defy anyone to remember any of that nonsense.

Anyway, Gene was 4-0 in his career.

Conrad mentioned Gene's WCW matches on one of his 3 tribute shows.  I'm assuming I heard it on the Bischoff show.  I think it's neat that Gene had more than 10 years between all 3 angles.


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The WWE Network special "Let Me Tell You Something, Mean Gene" was another home run.  Really strong, if too short, documentary clocking in at about 32 minutes.  Gene narrates his own life story using a lot of footage that was recording a while ago for something but which I've never seen before.  And in addition to the usual classic clips and bloopers that they've shown repeatedly, there are a lot of new ones.  Then there are the unnecessary interviews with Cena, HHH, Styles, etc. that were filmed last week and inserted in.



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