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"WWE is saddened to learn that WWE Hall of Famer Gene Okerlund, the most recognizable interviewer in sports-entertainment history, has passed away at age 76. In his early days, “Mean Gene”, as he was named by fellow Minnesotan, Jesse “The Body” Ventura first came to prominence by interviewing the greatest stars of the AWA, including Ventura, Bobby “The Brain” Heenan and Hulk Hogan. In 1984, Okerlund made the move to WWE where he became a staple on national cable television by continuing to interview the biggest names in sports-entertainment like Hogan, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, The Ultimate Warrior and many more. Okerlund branched out from interviewing by providing ringside commentary and hosting several shows, including All-American Wrestling, Tuesday Night Titans, Wrestling Challenge and Prime Time Wrestling. Announcing wasn’t all that Okerlund could do with a microphone, as his distinct voice sung the National Anthem at the first WrestleMania in 1985. Later that year, Okerlund would sing “Tutti Frutti” on WWE’s The Wrestling Album. In 1993, Okerlund joined WCW as lead interviewer where he continued to interview many of the legends he had worked with in the AWA and WWE as well as WCW stalwarts, Sting, Diamond Dallas Page, Goldberg and others. In 2001, Okerlund returned to WWE to call the Gimmick Battle Royal at WrestleMania 17 along with Bobby “The Brain” Heenan and continued to appear on WWE television programming, including being a cast member on WWE Network’s Legends’ House. WWE extends its condolences to Okerlund’s family, friends and fans."

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Damn :(

RIP Mean Gene

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bpickering wrote: Damn :(

RIP Mean Gene

This. Damn, damn, damn.
RIP Gene.

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Shitty way to start the year. Absolutely iconic. I actually thought he was older.

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srossi wrote: Shitty way to start the year. Absolutely iconic. I actually thought he was older.

Me too. The last couple of times they brought him back for Old School Raw, I could have sworn he was in his 80s.

Sad news.

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RIP to Mean Gene- I just saw him in the Andre the Giant documentary, he was older, but don't know when that document is from.

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RIP Mean Gene. I know I'm going to get heat for this, but I thought he was extremely underrated as a commentator for the WWF. I liked him far better in that role than Bobby Heenan (who was a great manager).

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RIP Gene Mean.

Watch his eyes when he interviews...says as much with his eyes as his voice

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RIP Gene Mean. A true professional who completely "got it".

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Well that's a drag.


Rest In Peace Gene.

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RIP. Perfect on the AWA interview segments.

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IMO he along with Heenan had the best timing of any announcers/interviewers there were...sharp wit with both those guys, and now they're both gone...sucks..

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When Turner took over Crockett and began WCW, it seemed like from month to month there was change...some good, some bad. The wrestling, which used to be the hallmark of the NWA, was slowly starting to get cartoonish and gimmick based. People say that it really hit rock bottom when Herd fired Flair in June 1991, but in my opinion they were seriously at the bottom in 1992. I went to a card in the Meadowlands where all tickets were either $7 or $11, and literally there couldn't have been more than a thousand people there (and in reading the magazines, that was a HUGE crowd for WCW at the time). When Flair came back in I believe February or March of 1993, even as a non-wrestler, it seemed like WCW was starting to "get it" with Austin and Pillman and bringing back Flair. But for me, when I started to "believe" that WCW was a real, major league, actual competitor to WWF again was when they signed Mean Gene Okerlund late in 1993. While possibly a coincidence, or only because WWF hadn't come to Gene to offer a contract, it just seemed to me like when Mean Gene started in WCW, people started to follow him. Heenan, Hogan, Macho Man, etc. were all top guys - forget about their age and all that, to get those names on board is what in my opinion REALLY set up WCW for the next 8 years. And I always believed that Mean Gene was the one that started the ball rolling, because people took him seriously. Yeah, "Scheme Gene and the 1-900 hotlines" may have caused his credibility a little bit of a hit, but if you ignored that, he was still the best at what he did right up until Russo turned him into a dirty old man.

Rest In Peace "Mean" Gene Okerlund. Nobody will ever be better.

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2, count 'em 2 separate kidney transplants and he was still a legendary drinker until the end. His 2nd donor was his wife, that was Gene.



Gene, Bobby, and Gorilla all gone but not forgotten.


RIP to Mene Gene Okerlund

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A true legend, and the voice of my wrestling childhood along with Bobby, Gorilla and Jesse. RIP Mean Gene

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"Put that cigarette out!" Who the hell was he talking to?

"Carnival Barker" was a description given to him in one of the Apter mags immediately after jumping to the WWF (was it Dan Shocket who wrote it?) and that always stuck with me. I hated that guttural thing he would do in lieu of describing a high impact move. And he had an underlying pomposity that made him ill-suited as a babyface. I gotta be honest, I couldn't stand his work at any stage of his career, despite the fact that he was fairly gifted at what he did.

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Superstar wrote: When Turner took over Crockett and began WCW, it seemed like from month to month there was change...some good, some bad. The wrestling, which used to be the hallmark of the NWA, was slowly starting to get cartoonish and gimmick based. People say that it really hit rock bottom when Herd fired Flair in June 1991, but in my opinion they were seriously at the bottom in 1992. I went to a card in the Meadowlands where all tickets were either $7 or $11, and literally there couldn't have been more than a thousand people there (and in reading the magazines, that was a HUGE crowd for WCW at the time). When Flair came back in I believe February or March of 1993, even as a non-wrestler, it seemed like WCW was starting to "get it" with Austin and Pillman and bringing back Flair. But for me, when I started to "believe" that WCW was a real, major league, actual competitor to WWF again was when they signed Mean Gene Okerlund late in 1993. While possibly a coincidence, or only because WWF hadn't come to Gene to offer a contract, it just seemed to me like when Mean Gene started in WCW, people started to follow him. Heenan, Hogan, Macho Man, etc. were all top guys - forget about their age and all that, to get those names on board is what in my opinion REALLY set up WCW for the next 8 years. And I always believed that Mean Gene was the one that started the ball rolling, because people took him seriously. Yeah, "Scheme Gene and the 1-900 hotlines" may have caused his credibility a little bit of a hit, but if you ignored that, he was still the best at what he did right up until Russo turned him into a dirty old man.

Rest In Peace "Mean" Gene Okerlund. Nobody will ever be better.

Interesting take on that era of WCW.  I disagree but those are good points.  I went to the Meadowlands show on 7/3/91, the first post-Flair show, and the crowd was actually decent.  I mean, they had more than 5,000 people on hand, which was possibly their biggest non-PPV, non-Clash house of the year.  To hear they only had 1K a year later is pretty shocking.  But for me, the product improved so much during the Kip Frey reign and -- to a lesser extent -- the Watts era, that I find it hard to agree that '93 marked the beginning of the comeback.  In fact, I'd say that signing Jesse Ventura in January, 1992 was a much more noteworthy move (not that it actually panned out in the end).  He had far more credibility at that time with wrestling fans and the greater public. 

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Superstar wrote: When Turner took over Crockett and began WCW, it seemed like from month to month there was change...some good, some bad. The wrestling, which used to be the hallmark of the NWA, was slowly starting to get cartoonish and gimmick based. People say that it really hit rock bottom when Herd fired Flair in June 1991, but in my opinion they were seriously at the bottom in 1992. I went to a card in the Meadowlands where all tickets were either $7 or $11, and literally there couldn't have been more than a thousand people there (and in reading the magazines, that was a HUGE crowd for WCW at the time). When Flair came back in I believe February or March of 1993, even as a non-wrestler, it seemed like WCW was starting to "get it" with Austin and Pillman and bringing back Flair. But for me, when I started to "believe" that WCW was a real, major league, actual competitor to WWF again was when they signed Mean Gene Okerlund late in 1993. While possibly a coincidence, or only because WWF hadn't come to Gene to offer a contract, it just seemed to me like when Mean Gene started in WCW, people started to follow him. Heenan, Hogan, Macho Man, etc. were all top guys - forget about their age and all that, to get those names on board is what in my opinion REALLY set up WCW for the next 8 years. And I always believed that Mean Gene was the one that started the ball rolling, because people took him seriously. Yeah, "Scheme Gene and the 1-900 hotlines" may have caused his credibility a little bit of a hit, but if you ignored that, he was still the best at what he did right up until Russo turned him into a dirty old man.

Rest In Peace "Mean" Gene Okerlund. Nobody will ever be better.

I always had the same perception about Gene joining WCW. Once he came in, whether coincidentally or not, the tide began to turn and things started going up for WCW and down for the WWF. 

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I did not have a favorable view at all of the WWF announcer signings. Ventura was the best of the bunch and added a lot. Gene and Heenan, who I loved in the WWF, were so clearly going through the motions and cashing their checks from Day One that I never took those moves seriously. I don’t blame them for taking the money, but at the time I thought they were killing their reputations. In retrospect, all these years later, no one even thinks about their time in WCW.

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This is another one I will miss, certainly in my top 10 favorite wrestling personalities.

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Major mainstream coverage of this death as ESPN, Bleacher Report, USA Today, CNN, and just about everyone else is covering it.

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That promo he does with Davis Schultz in the AWA when Schultz is talking about looking for a woman in San Francisco is gold.

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Of all the deaths this one makes me a little sad. Gene, Jesse, Bobby, Vince and Gorilla were the voice of my childhood with Gene being my favorite.


I felt like Gene tried hard in WCW but he was left too much to his own devices and wasn’t produced enough.

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Drake Maverick has shared a funny story that is classic Gene. Maverick says he ran into Gene backstage and Gene said, “Spud, I just came from Titan Tower and you’ll never guess who was talking about you.” Maverick got excited and asked “Who?” Gene answered “Kid, absolutely fucking nobody.” LOL

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srossi wrote: Drake Maverick has shared a funny story that is classic Gene. Maverick says he ran into Gene backstage and Gene said, “Spud, I just came from Titan Tower and you’ll never guess who was talking about you.” Maverick got excited and asked “Who?” Gene answered “Kid, absolutely fucking nobody.” LOLCLASSIC!
Always remember Sheiky fucking with him in the interviews and calling him Gene Mean and throwing in a few odds and ends that Gene would bounce right back at him and almost got Sheik to laugh.

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Mean Gene interviewing Flair in the "shank of the evening" on Nitro was great stuff. "MEEEEEEEAN! WOO! GENE!"

Best host of TNT, for what that's worth. Throughout his career, it always seemed like he was having fun and totally into the on-screen product.

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The weird thing is that he was in his early 40’s when he entered the WWF, but to me, he seemed older than that. Now, I am in 50’s thinking he was way younger than I am now.

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https://youtu.be/jSO8Bw8hW9o

I don’t remember seeing this clip. Lol watch it to the end.

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I don’t remember seeing this clip. Lol watch it to the end.

This has been floating around YouTube for years now. But I don’t know what they mean that he “corpses”. 

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Breaking character, like laughing. Not sure if one is always supposed to be a straight character. I think originally it was a theater term where they tried to get actors who were playing dead to react

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Rest In Peace "Mean" Gene Okerlund.

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I was flipping channels last night and came across TMZ and they had an item in the side box about his “Final Days”. I couldn’t stomach watching a half hour of that show to get to it so I taped it and fast forwarded to that part this morning.

They spoke to his son Todd who said that he suffered a nasty fall last month and broke some ribs. He was hospitalized for a good part of December and was released a few days before his death, but wasn’t breathing easily when he got home so he had to go back. He died at the hospital with his wife by his side. They mentioned that he had 2 kidney transplants and renal failure in the past but it was really the fall that was the end for him.

Harvey Levin put him over and said the article on his death on TMZ.com really resonated with people more than anyone expected and he was a beloved figure whose death really effected people.

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RIP - The guy was a natural cornball and pitchman, and I mean that in the best way possible. He seemed to really have a zest for life, kind of like the skinnier Luciano Pavoratti of wrestling.

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srossi wrote: I was flipping channels last night and came across TMZ and they had an item in the side box about his “Final Days”. I couldn’t stomach watching a half hour of that show to get to it so I taped it and fast forwarded to that part this morning.

They spoke to his son Todd who said that he suffered a nasty fall last month and broke some ribs. He was hospitalized for a good part of December and was released a few days before his death, but wasn’t breathing easily when he got home so he had to go back. He died at the hospital with his wife by his side. They mentioned that he had 2 kidney transplants and renal failure in the past but it was really the fall that was the end for him.

Harvey Levin put him over and said the article on his death on TMZ.com really resonated with people more than anyone expected and he was a beloved figure whose death really effected people.

Dag, that is crazy.  I think the Anvil fell too, didn't he?

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Falls are killers for seniors.

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: I was flipping channels last night and came across TMZ and they had an item in the side box about his “Final Days”. I couldn’t stomach watching a half hour of that show to get to it so I taped it and fast forwarded to that part this morning.

They spoke to his son Todd who said that he suffered a nasty fall last month and broke some ribs. He was hospitalized for a good part of December and was released a few days before his death, but wasn’t breathing easily when he got home so he had to go back. He died at the hospital with his wife by his side. They mentioned that he had 2 kidney transplants and renal failure in the past but it was really the fall that was the end for him.

Harvey Levin put him over and said the article on his death on TMZ.com really resonated with people more than anyone expected and he was a beloved figure whose death really effected people.

Dag, that is crazy.  I think the Anvil fell too, didn't he?
Yeah, Anvil hit his head.  Gene broke ribs.  I honestly think that when you are older, the fall isn't really what kills you, it's the overall trauma to the rest of your body.  Your body kicks into overtime when something bad happens to you in order to protect you, but at a certain age, I think that rush of adrenaline and white blood cells that go to protect the area combined with the internal bleeding from the bruises and broken bones does more harm to your organs than just having a broken rib or hip or anything.  My ex-wife's grandfather was in perfect health at 83 and was strong as an ox.  He was washing his van by hand and stepped backwards off of a two step stepladder, missing the first step.  When he hit the driveway, the impact pushed his hip ball right through the hip socket.  He walked around on it for six weeks waiting for it to stop hurting, when it got too unbearable he went to the Dr who told him what happened.  Three weeks later, he went in for hip replacement.  When they took the breathing tube out of him, it destroyed his swallowing function and he couldn't eat or drink - he'd just choke on it.  They wanted to put a feeding tube into him and he refused it, and just sat there and died four days later.

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Hogan will be on Raw Monday to pay tribute to Mean Gene.

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I hope this show does justice to Gene and it’s not just a throwaway segment. This guy was a legit icon and WWE quite literally has no one else to put on TV and such low ratings that they have nothing to lose. A full hour of Okerlund highlights, outtakes, and tributes from current and past stars would be better than anything else WWE could produce.

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khawk wrote: Falls are killers for seniors.
Dusty Rhodes took a fall at home also.

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Mean Gene dying was big mainstream news in the Twin Cities in both newspapers, local talk radio shows, and all the TV news shows. The local NBC affiliate gave his passing a lot of play because the station's studio was home of the AWA's All Star Wrestling from the promotion's early 1960s inception until the spring of 1979 with Gene Okerlund having been an ad salesman there before getting made the interview guy on the wrestling show and going on to a long pro wrestling career and great fame.

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Boz1515 wrote: Hogan will be on Raw Monday to pay tribute to Mean Gene.

Ric Flair will be there too. 

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Hogan will be on Raw Monday to pay tribute to Mean Gene.

Ric Flair will be there too. 
Damn. I too hope it will be a full tribute show. I might check it out in a week or 4.

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WWE only gave it one segment on Raw, but it was a very fitting tribute to Gene.  The video went beyond expectations and even included a lot of the outtakes and crack-ups that have been going around the Internet.  I never expected in this day and age for WWE to show the Wendy Richter clip.

Hogan was very good here and clearly emotional.  He gave the fans what they wanted with one last cheesy '80s style promo to Gene. 

It seemed like for once WWE got the tone of something right and was able to celebrate Gene's life in a way that the fans and Gene would've wanted. 

There was zero backlash to Hogan, and I found it amusing that WWE found some black fans cheering him to put on camera like they were Fox News at the Republican Convention.  I didn't expect any issues, especially in Orlando, but I think this smooth appearance has cleared the way for Hogan to return to TV anytime they want.  It was smart that his first segment back was about Gene and not about him, and no mention was even made that he hadn't been on Raw in x number of years.  He just kind of slipped back in there to pay tribute to a friend like he was never gone, and that will make future appearances that are about him much easier.

No Ric Flair though.  PWInsider said he would be there, so I don't know what happened.

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PWInsider is saying that WWE Network will add a Mean Gene collection at some point today.  I was waiting for that last week and am surprised it took them so long.

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Hogan looked very sad. Like he truly was speaking from the heart and not a script, until he went into his promo. I think his time away and looking around at how many friends have passed has really gotten to him the past couple years. I think Savage and Warrior dying hit him hard but I think this was the toughest blow for him.

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Superstar wrote: Hogan looked very sad. Like he truly was speaking from the heart and not a script, until he went into his promo. I think his time away and looking around at how many friends have passed has really gotten to him the past couple years. I think Savage and Warrior dying hit him hard but I think this was the toughest blow for him.
I agree, and I was impressed that he was able to turn it on for his promo when he had been in tears seconds earlier.  He stumbled a little, but it was a decent facsimile of an '80s Hogan promo.  When he started rattling off the guys who died who were all contemporaries, I thought the same thing that Hogan is almost one of the last men standing of the top stars from that era, and I think that effected him a lot.

I heard that he and Beefcake reconciled within the last year after many years of not being on speaking terms anymore (I have no idea why they fell out), so Hogan is hopefully at the point in his life where he's making amends.

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I was hoping the Hogan/Gene Tag match would be on this Collection.

This morning, the WWE Network uploaded a Collection devoted to the late "Mean" Gene Okerlund, featuring:

LARGER THAN LIFE PERSONALITIES - AUGUST 2, 1980

A young Gene Okerlund engages in some memorable one-on-one interviews with the legendary Andre the Giant.

THE CONSUMMATE ATHLETE - FEBRUARY 27, 1982

During his time in AWA, Gene Okerlund interviews one of the greatest wrestlers of all time in the form of Nick Bockwinkel.

THE BODY'S BOMBSHELL - DECEMBER 30, 1983

Jesse 'The Body' Ventura drops a bombshell on Gene Okerlund and the entire wrestling world by revealing his new partner.

CHAMPIONS AND CHAMPAGNE - JANUARY 23, 1984

The champagne flows on the night Hulk-A-Mania is born, as Mean Gene Okerlund interviews Hulk Hogan after his first WWE Title win.

TALKING TO THE STARS - FEBRUARY 18, 1985

Following The War to Settle the Score, Mean Gene Okerlund gets some memorable reactions from the likes of Andy Warhol and more.

PREPARING TO MAKE HISTORY - MARCH 15, 1985

In this series of unforgettable moments, Mean Gene Okerlund joins Liberace, Billy Martin, and Mr. T in preparing for the first WrestleMania.

WHAT SO PROUDLY GENE HAILS - MARCH 31, 1985

WrestleMania - At the inaugural WrestleMania, Mean Gene Okerlund sings the national anthem in the hallowed grounds of Madison Square Garden.

THE SEARCH FOR AN ANIMAL - DECEMBER 13, 1985

Tuesday Night Titans 62 - Many outlandish characters are discovered in Mean Gene Okerlund's search for George 'The Animal' Steele.

THE CREAM OF THE CROP -SEPTEMBER 10, 1986

In this series of one-on-one interviews, Mean Gene Okerlund gets some memorable moments out of Macho Man Randy Savage.

THE RIGHT WORDS - MAY 9, 1987

Mean Gene Okerlund helps The Iron Sheik with his English during this nostalgic interview with the former WWE Champion.

HV CLASSIC: MEAN GENE -MARCH 1, 1990

Mean Gene Okerlund journeys to a land down under for a memorable visit with The Bushwhackers.

THANKSGIVING SURPRISE - NOVEMBER 22, 1990

Survivor Series 1990 - Mean Gene Okerlund is part of history once again, as he witnesses the hatching of the storied Gobbledy Gooker

PUT THAT CIGARETTE OUT - JANUARY 19, 1992

Royal Rumble 1992 - While interviewing Ric Flair after his capture of the WWE Title, Mean Gene Okerlund gets frustrated with a bystander.

GARBAGE AND FALLEN IDOLS -JULY 13, 1996

Bash at the Beach 1996 - On the day that Hulk Hogan showed his true colors, Mean Gene Okerlund steps up to demand an explanation.

MEAN 'WOOO' GENE! - OCTOBER 27, 1997

In these interviews from WCW Monday Nitro, Mean Gene Okerlund is joined by a lively and energetic Ric Flair

WHO ARE YOU TO DOUBT EL DANDY? - JANUARY 25, 1999

Nitro 176 - Mean Gene Okerlund questions Bret Hart's ideas on who deserves a shot at his WCW United States Championship.

555 - CALL 'MEAN' GENE - DECEMBER 7, 2013

Relive some of the most memorable moments from Mean Gene Okerlund hosting his own hotline in World Championship Wrestling.

A WRESTLEMANIA HOMECOMING - APRIL 1, 2001

WrestleMania X-Seven - Mean Gene Okerlund returns to WWE alongside Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan to call the Gimmick Battle Royal

THE CONFIDENTIAL SCOOP - JANUARY 14, 2003

Witness another chapter of Mean Gene Okerlund's career, as he hosts WWE's popular documentary series, Confidential.

BACK FOR A GOOD TIME - MARCH 14, 2004

WrestleMania XX - Mean Gene Okerlund and Bobby 'The Brain' Heenan enjoy some unique entertainment at the 20th Anniversary of WrestleMania.

A NEW VOICE IN THE HALL OF FAME - APRIL 1, 2006

WWE Hall of Fame - Mean Gene Okerlund's legendary voice echoes throughout the WWE Hall of Fame Class of 2006.

VINTAGE MEAN GENE - MAY 2, 2010

In this rare classic, Mean Gene Okerlund hosts a special Vintage Collection for the eyes of the WWE Universe.

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I - APRIL 3, 2011

WrestleMania XXVII - Mean Gene Okerlund joins The Rock and Pee Wee Herman for a verbal exchange in this hilarious backstage moment.

BLAST FROM THE PAST - APRIL 10, 2012

SmackDown 660 - Mean Gene Okerlund gets help from some old friends when he partners with Sheamus to battle Daniel Bryan and Alberto Del Rio.

LEGENDS HOUSE S1 E01: THE BOYS ARE BACK - APRIL 17, 2014

Eight WWE Legends reunite and get acquainted with their new neighbors. Back at the Legends' House, tempers flare.

TABLE FOR 3 - WRESTLEMANIA LEGENDS - AUGUST 6, 2015

WrestleMania icons Roddy Piper, Gene Okerlund, and Paul Orndorff discuss their favorite pranks and stories from their Hall of Fame careers.

AN ANNIVERSARY APPEARANCE- JANUARY 22, 2018

RAW 1287 - Mean Gene Okerlund makes a surprise appearance of the 25th Anniversary of RAW to interview WWE Champion AJ Styles.

WWE STORY TIME - SEASON THREE: BEHIND THE SCENES - AUGUST 21, 2018

Get an inside look from Mean Gene Okerlund at how WWE Story Time is created, as the animated series embarks on its third hilarious season!

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I forgot that Gene was the interview for the famous "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?" line. A few people who work for WWE Network are definitely from the IWC or there's no way in hell they would've included this.

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Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.

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I assume the Jesse one from AWA 1983 is the blooper version of the intro of Mr. Saito as his tag partner. At least I hope so, that one is a riot.

Curious which Bock interview(s) they used as well. Hopefully something fresh.

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bpickering wrote: Not that really big of a Pop

When I was watching this live last night, it appeared a large number of individuals in the audience were shown taking videos with their phone rather than going crazy cheering, especially when he was about to come out on the stage.
Screaming through your phone video kinda ruins it, so maybe that was one factor.\

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khawk wrote: I assume the Jesse one from AWA 1983 is the blooper version of the intro of Mr. Saito as his tag partner. At least I hope so, that one is a riot.

Curious which Bock interview(s) they used as well. Hopefully something fresh.


It has two versions of the same promo in that video. The second one is the blooper. It's a great example of an unscripted promo with bullet points. Both Jesse's promos are different, but they hit the same beats.

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Cool. I do have both but everyone needs to see the blooper verision.

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khawk wrote: Cool. I do have both but everyone needs to see the blooper verision.
Any idea how that ever saw the light of day?  Just too good not to share and no one thinks it's real anymore so we may as well?

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khawk wrote: Cool. I do have both but everyone needs to see the blooper verision.



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Hogan looked very sad. Like he truly was speaking from the heart and not a script, until he went into his promo. I think his time away and looking around at how many friends have passed has really gotten to him the past couple years. I think Savage and Warrior dying hit him hard but I think this was the toughest blow for him.
I agree, and I was impressed that he was able to turn it on for his promo when he had been in tears seconds earlier.  He stumbled a little, but it was a decent facsimile of an '80s Hogan promo.  When he started rattling off the guys who died who were all contemporaries, I thought the same thing that Hogan is almost one of the last men standing of the top stars from that era, and I think that effected him a lot.

I heard that he and Beefcake reconciled within the last year after many years of not being on speaking terms anymore (I have no idea why they fell out), so Hogan is hopefully at the point in his life where he's making amends.
I apologize for piggybacking, but I agree with all of this. Almost started to cry, to be honest.

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srossi wrote: I forgot that Gene was the interview for the famous "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?" line. A few people who work for WWE Network are definitely from the IWC or there's no way in hell they would've included this.

After Bret called him on his doubt, Gene persisted in suggesting El Dandy was unworthy of a US Title shot at Bret which led the Hitman to let off another awesome, but forgotten, zinger, saying "Okay, what about Hypnosis then?"



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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: I forgot that Gene was the interview for the famous "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?" line. A few people who work for WWE Network are definitely from the IWC or there's no way in hell they would've included this.

After Bret called him on his doubt, Gene persisted in suggesting El Dandy was unworthy of a US Title shot at Bret which led the Hitman to let off another awesome, but forgotten, zinger, saying "Okay, what about Hypnosis then?"



Lol!

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I don’t care what anyone says, from 1996 on Bret was a great promo. Not good, great. And he usually didn’t sound like he was cutting a promo, he was just talking, which is exactly why he was so good.

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Little known fact. Gene Okerlund was the first man offered a guaranteed contract in the AWA, then owned by Verne Gagne.

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bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

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bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

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cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

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bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 

I think Jesse was there setting up for a match with Hogan 

The Next card in MN was WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Mad Dog Vachon defeated George Steele & Big John Studd (sub. for Jesse Ventura) (w/ Bobby Heenan)

Sure if he didn't get the blood Clots he would had wrestled Hogan for the title the next card.  As the next card had Hogan vs Studd. 

The Card before the Hogan/ Gene tag match had Hogan vs George.  Was Fuji managing George around the time? 

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The plan was definitely for Hogan and Ventura to pair off. The WWF tried to appeal as much as possible to AWA fans during 1984.

Mr. Fuji was managing George Steele at the time, at least on some shows. The WWF was moving fast with expansion and talent acquisitions. Manager/wrestler alliances often lasted as briefly as a taping or two and then shifted without angles or explanations.

Regarding Gene wrestling, he was a big deal to Minnesota wrestling fans and the tag team match got a ton of local publicity for the WWF as the new game in town. However, I thought to some extent having Gene Okerlund as the paunchy bald guy in the ring was meant as a parody of Verne Gagne and his occasional comebacks. Verne was a legend and a great amateur wrestler, but didn't look the part by the end of his career and certainly not during his 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986 one off comeback matches.

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Jesse and Hulk did meet up in Bloomington at the Met center in 1985. Drew a good house for it. Think it ended up being a one-off.

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: cookie32723 wrote: bpickering wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Not listed above but the Hogan/Gene tag match is on the Collection.
I watched this last night.  I believe this was originally shown on the first Titan Sports VHS tape I ever rented.  I'm not sure if it ever aired anywhere else.  The production value for it was terrible even by 1984 standards.  It almost looks like a fan-cam and when fans raise their arms to cheer it partially blocks the shot.  There are no different camera angles or zoom-ins.  It's like you're in the cheap seats watching the action from afar with Vince doing a very obvious voice-over months later. 

It's a fun match for what it is and Gene hits his few spots perfectly.  You'd think that at some point over the next 5 years Gene would've joked in an interview with Mr. Fuji that he once pinned him, but I can't recall this match ever being acknowledged on WWF TV at any point.  Of course I just might not remember, but it seems like it was exclusively for the MN market and then they slapped it on a VHS release and that was it. 
 I forget it was either on the first Hulkamania VHS or The Best of WWF Vol 1. 

Pretty sure it was on Best of WWF Vol 1, and fairly certain also on Hulkamania. 

Checked Prowrestlinghistory.com

It was on the Best of WWF Vol 1. Was not on Hulkmania. 

What was the set up for the match? Is there video of it anywhere? 

This is what I was wondering.  Other than the training videos, I don't recall any incident that precipitated the match.  Maybe at the previous MN house show Fuji or Steele threatened Okerlund?  I have no idea.  It seems like the whole thing was a hot shot to really fuck with the AWA and they just needed a special attraction with recently departed AWA guys. 

Also, I didn't remember Jesse Ventura being ringside supporting the heels and disputing the finish, and I'm not sure why he was there. 

Going from memory- which is clogged with malted hops- Hogan wanted prove he could beat Fuji & Steele alone, so he picked Mean Gene as a partner.  Having Gene as a partner was like not having a partner.  In the match Gene wasn't supposed to actually wrestle.  He and Hogan high fived- and the ref ruled it a tag and Gene was forced to enter the ring.

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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: I forgot that Gene was the interview for the famous "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?" line. A few people who work for WWE Network are definitely from the IWC or there's no way in hell they would've included this.

After Bret called him on his doubt, Gene persisted in suggesting El Dandy was unworthy of a US Title shot at Bret which led the Hitman to let off another awesome, but forgotten, zinger, saying "Okay, what about Hypnosis then?"




He hit it out of the park with one more great forgotten line when he went on to challenge Dean Malenjo next, who was out with an injury. Bret said he had a real injury and has “a groin pull the likes of which you’ve never seen before.”

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When talking about Psychosis, he said "He's a high flyer of the highest magnatude". He also "axed" Booker T a question. I've said it here before and I'll say it again, that was the best promo of Bret Hart's career - and he had some good ones in WWF when he was the Anti American Canadian. Bret was gold in this segment and quite honestly had hit his stride at this point in WCW.

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I'd forgotten about Bret's groin pull remark when comparing his real injury to what he claimed was a phony one on Dean's part. His outstanding delivery made that great line even better. It is too bad a combination of his own injuries, time he took off due to Owen's death, and the usual front office and booking garbage in WCW halted the momentum of what could have been a main event heel run for Bret. That summer, due to injuries and guys going home due to politics, the main heels in WCW for a time were Kevin Nash, Sid, and Rick Steiner along with the Jersey Triad. Bret could absolutely have carried the ball as lead heel had he been available.

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I thought the tag match with Hogan was Gene’s only wrestling match until WWE Network aired him and Sheamus against Alberto Del Rio and Daniel Bryan from Smackdown in 2012. Gene doesn’t do anything in that match and legends led by Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper come out and help Sheamus win.

So then I looked him up on Cagematch.net to see if there were any other matches I forgot about and apparently in 2000, at the depths of WCW’s suckitude, Gene feuded with Mark Madden. He pinned him in a singles match and teamed with Buff Bagwell to beat him and Kanyon in a tag match on back-to-back Thunders. I defy anyone to remember any of that nonsense.

Anyway, Gene was 4-0 in his career.

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srossi wrote: I thought the tag match with Hogan was Gene’s only wrestling match until WWE Network aired him and Sheamus against Alberto Del Rio and Daniel Bryan from Smackdown in 2012. Gene doesn’t do anything in that match and legends led by Dusty Rhodes and Roddy Piper come out and help Sheamus win.

So then I looked him up on Cagematch.net to see if there were any other matches I forgot about and apparently in 2000, at the depths of WCW’s suckitude, Gene feuded with Mark Madden. He pinned him in a singles match and teamed with Buff Bagwell to beat him and Kanyon in a tag match on back-to-back Thunders. I defy anyone to remember any of that nonsense.

Anyway, Gene was 4-0 in his career.

Conrad mentioned Gene's WCW matches on one of his 3 tribute shows.  I'm assuming I heard it on the Bischoff show.  I think it's neat that Gene had more than 10 years between all 3 angles.


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The WWE Network special "Let Me Tell You Something, Mean Gene" was another home run.  Really strong, if too short, documentary clocking in at about 32 minutes.  Gene narrates his own life story using a lot of footage that was recording a while ago for something but which I've never seen before.  And in addition to the usual classic clips and bloopers that they've shown repeatedly, there are a lot of new ones.  Then there are the unnecessary interviews with Cena, HHH, Styles, etc. that were filmed last week and inserted in.



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