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 Posted: Fri Aug 9th, 2019 08:34 pm
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Christina Aguilera. No one is as good as she thinks she is.

Same with Celine Dion.



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The term overrated is tough in this case because it all comes down to personal opinion. Looking at some artists others have mentioned, I find Fleetwood Mac really boring and would be fine to never hear a song of theirs again. To someone else, they might be very underrated.

Here are my thoughts on some other suggestions.

- Jay Z was around for a long time before broke through. He and Positive K would freestyle between outfit changes for Big Daddy Kane. He was also a sidekick of Jaz-O in the late 1980s/early 1990s when Jaz had both a Fresh Prince comedy and then an Afrocentric stint with a lot 5 percenter stuff. The idea circa 1990 that Jay Z would be one of the biggest stars of all time would have been laughable. That he did make it so big was down to hard work, talent, and the all important stroke of luck of being in the right place at the right time. He broke through just before 2Pac was killed and then Biggie was killed not too much afterwards. The crown as king of hip hop was vacant. Various contenders and pretenders to the throne came and went. Jay Z was the last man standing and had the clout to get the top producers on his side with all the A&R, label, radio, and mass media support he could ever want. To me, the idea if him being overrated kicks in around 2009 with "The Blueprint 3". He went from being a rapper to being a mainstream media celebrity with business clout. His fame rose just as his talent and artistic relevance started the trip downward.


- Jefferson Airplane fell prey to the drug use, counterculture and political mumbo jumbo, and egomania that afflicted a lot of groups from that era. To explain, rather than defend, their insufficiencies as a live act, I don't think any artists back knew how to properly set up a PA for big venues until the Rolling Stones on their late 1969 North American tour.


- Regarding Vince Neil, a friend who saw the last Motley Crue tour said it was embarrassing to hear how shot his voice has become and in combination with his appearance was reason enough for the Crue to have retired the band long before then, never mind waiting until the physical problems of Mick Mars made it almost impossible for him to perform.


- I'm no fan of CSN or CSNY. I like some Hollies, Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, and solo work from Neil Young from time to time, but all of them together don't bring much to the table. On a side note, even when CSN and CSNY weren't getting alone, David Crosby and Graham Nash always stuck together and had some albums as a duo that sold alright in the 1970s. Something happened recently and now there's been a split. Combine that with Neil Young not needing or probably wanting to do it and the chances of a CSNY reunion are next to none while CSN reuniting is at least unlikely. So Crosby reached out to Roger McGuinn and Chris Hillman about a Byrds reunion only to be shot down. Crosby then complained about everyone hating him only for McGuinn to state that Crosby has a persecution complex and that not wanting to work with him doesn't equal hating him.

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martini wrote: Christina Aguilera. No one is as good as she thinks she is.
Agreed. I hate her. She feels that she has to screeeeeaaaaam in every song she does. She can't just sing a note, she has to SIIIIIIIIING a note. I can't remember the exact event (maybe an All-Star Game), but she did the National Anthem and it was awful. The word "oh" suddenly had 12 syllables so she could scream away.
Even when she was trying to be "sexy", circa 2002 with her "Dirty" song. I was in my late 20's, so you'd think I'd be into some chick shaking her goods... but she was scrawny and gross. I had a long history of yanking it to hot chicks in music videos, but this fell flaccid--- err--- flat with me.



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martini wrote: Christina Aguilera. No one is as good as she thinks she is.

Same with Celine Dion.


Celine is just horrible all around.  Horrible to look at.  Horrible performances.  Horrible songs. 



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It's the difference between perfection and emotion. They both seem to think that if you nail the perfect coloratura then you've made something special. But it's not about that. It's about interpretation and being in sympathy. Ginger Baker wouldn't have worked as a Beatle, for instance.

See also: Mariah fucking Carey.



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My hot takes:

- KISS was probably invented like this "Hey, let`s be an American version of Slade but without the good parts" "So kinda like The Sweet?" "A lot worse than that"
- I would have loved to have listened to an alternative universe version of Oasis minus cocaine and the stupid Loudness Wars stuff. You can barely listen to their stuff if you dislike that loudness style
- Sex Pistols were pure gimmick, "their" punk culture was pure gimmick - which makes it difficult to rate their stuff. I just roll my eyes when it comes to their cultural implications and aspects
- I really don't know why Coldplay was able to make it and Travis didn't. Isn`t it pretty much the same stuff?
- 80s US hairspray stuff like Leppard and Motley is pretty much overrated if you consider what else has been forgotten. I couldn't tell you why they succeeded and White Lion and Hanoi Rocks didn`t
- otherwise mainstream R&B / EDM / Pop from the last 25 years has been mainly bland. It has that bland flavour like that mainstream stuff that wasn`t rock or pop which was popular with the older folks until like 1975. I don't think Beyonce will hold up like Diana Ross. So many contemporary acts should be forgotten like Rosemary Clooney was.



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Motley Crue essentially started it all for the modern era. It’s not fair to wonder why they succeeded when White Lion and dozens of others didn’t. Those bands don’t exist without Crue. If you were a kid in 1983 that band resonated like KISS in the ‘70s and The Beatles in the ‘60s. You had to be there. But they were 3-4 years before a lot of the glam stuff broke and 6 years before every singer who could afford a can of hairspray got a record deal.

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Weren't Crue basically a family-friendly Twisted Sister/New York Dolls? They don't mean much over here.



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kargol wrote: Weren't Crue basically a family-friendly Twisted Sister/New York Dolls? They don't mean much over here.
There was nothing family friendly about them. Twisted Sister became the family friendly band, although they almost had a punk edge in terms of attitude during their club days before they made it big. 



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As a kid I actually liked Def Leppard and even some Motley Crue. Most of the other hair bands are really stupid, but I don't really listen to them. The ones I really distain due to excessive air-play were Poison and Winger.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: As a kid I actually liked Def Leppard and even some Motley Crue. Most of the other hair bands are really stupid, but I don't really listen to them. The ones I really distain due to excessive air-play were Poison and Winger.
I never heard Winger get any airplay except maybe that one ballad “Madalaine”. I was into the scene and basically only knew the band from Beavis and Butt-Head where the geeky kid was the only one who liked them. That may be their biggest claim to fame. 



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You're right I kinda put Winger in there like an afterthought. I really just wanted to say Poison but I thought I should name more than one, and I remember seeing a Winger music video one time and never wanted to see it again lol.

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srossi wrote: Dr. Strangelove wrote: As a kid I actually liked Def Leppard and even some Motley Crue. Most of the other hair bands are really stupid, but I don't really listen to them. The ones I really distain due to excessive air-play were Poison and Winger.
I never heard Winger get any airplay except maybe that one ballad “Madalaine”. I was into the scene and basically only knew the band from Beavis and Butt-Head where the geeky kid was the only one who liked them. That may be their biggest claim to fame. 


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Regarding the Sex Pistols being manufactured, to some extent that was the case. Malcolm McLaren took an existing band with Steve Jones and Paul Cook, then added Glen Matlock and John Lydon to it while the image and sound evolved in the process. He also pushed a lot of the image and provocative style that they're remembered for a lot more than the music in some quarters. I think John Lydon was and is legit. When Sid Vicious replaced Matlock, it took out the most normal band member and added a guy who was on a fast road to oblivion.

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tamalie wrote: Regarding the Sex Pistols being manufactured, to some extent that was the case. Malcolm McLaren took an existing band with Steve Jones and Paul Cook, then added Glen Matlock and John Lydon to it while the image and sound evolved in the process. He also pushed a lot of the image and provocative style that they're remembered for a lot more than the music in some quarters. I think John Lydon was and is legit. When Sid Vicious replaced Matlock, it took out the most normal band member and added a guy who was on a fast road to oblivion.
Johnny Rotten would've been a much bigger star if he was half as manufactured as people say.  He was and is impossible to work with and spit in the faces of so many powerful people that it really destroyed any chance at a mainstream career beyond the 3 years they were somewhat hot in the '70s.  The Clash certainly played better with others, thus the difference in longevity and acclaim.



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