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 Posted: Fri Mar 1st, 2019 05:17 pm
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Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.Since they built Citizens Bank Ballpark, the Philly fans have proven that if they put a winning team on the field they will sell out the place.  If those tix cost $25 each, they've already brought in $25M for this season alone.   And you know some of those tix cost more.  It's a great signing if Bryce plays 140 games a year and hits at least 28HR and .270 average.  Those numbers aren't great but the way he's going to positively affect Rhys Hoskins and Realmuto with his presence in the lineup is going to make an insane difference in that team.



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Superstar wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.Since they built Citizens Bank Ballpark, the Philly fans have proven that if they put a winning team on the field they will sell out the place.  If those tix cost $25 each, they've already brought in $25M for this season alone.   And you know some of those tix cost more.  It's a great signing if Bryce plays 140 games a year and hits at least 28HR and .270 average.  Those numbers aren't great but the way he's going to positively affect Rhys Hoskins and Realmuto with his presence in the lineup is going to make an insane difference in that team.

I see Harper hitting an average of 15 to 20 HR's a season just at CBP. He has hit 14 Hr's in 179 career AB's at CBP.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Superstar wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.Since they built Citizens Bank Ballpark, the Philly fans have proven that if they put a winning team on the field they will sell out the place.  If those tix cost $25 each, they've already brought in $25M for this season alone.   And you know some of those tix cost more.  It's a great signing if Bryce plays 140 games a year and hits at least 28HR and .270 average.  Those numbers aren't great but the way he's going to positively affect Rhys Hoskins and Realmuto with his presence in the lineup is going to make an insane difference in that team.

I see Harper hitting an average of 15 to 20 HR's a season just at CBP. He has hit 14 Hr's in 179 career AB's at CBP.
that is the most home runs he has in any park in MLB outside of dc, which should bode well long term.

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hammettime wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Superstar wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.Since they built Citizens Bank Ballpark, the Philly fans have proven that if they put a winning team on the field they will sell out the place.  If those tix cost $25 each, they've already brought in $25M for this season alone.   And you know some of those tix cost more.  It's a great signing if Bryce plays 140 games a year and hits at least 28HR and .270 average.  Those numbers aren't great but the way he's going to positively affect Rhys Hoskins and Realmuto with his presence in the lineup is going to make an insane difference in that team.

I see Harper hitting an average of 15 to 20 HR's a season just at CBP. He has hit 14 Hr's in 179 career AB's at CBP.
that is the most home runs he has in any park in MLB outside of dc, which should bode well long term.
I get it.  People from outside of Philly are upset.  Trying to downplay what Harper will do.  I see 30+ HR's (easy) with a few years of 40+ mixed in, an OPS in the 900's and a BA around 270 to 280.  An impact player.  Exactly what the Phillies needed.  My non-Phillies friends from around the country are still upset, especially in LA.  They really thought they had Harper.  Were all for him but now all of a sudden he isn't that good.  Heh.
The last few years will be nothing most likely.  However the AAV of the contract at $25m won't be crippling when payrolls will be around $400m by then - most likely anyway.

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PTI reported that Harper may have turned down 4 years, 180 mil from the Dodgers before signing this contract. If that's true, then term and stability really did matter for Harper since those four years would have taken him to free agency in his prime, and the numbers he could have gotten then would probably have been just ridiculous (should his trajectory as a player continue the same or go up).



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He gets all kinds of extra money for MVP awards, Silver Buggerer, All Star appearances, if the Phil's win the World Serious plus he gets his own suite on the road.
So it's more than 330 million when it's all said and done.



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Ultimark wrote: hammettime wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Superstar wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Also, with all the extra tickets, merch and playoff money in the seasons that they make the playoffs, that adds another $15/20M in the pockets of the team. I saw someone who wrote an article about the Machado contract and they said that with all the new ticket sales and merch money coming in, the contract will actually be $5-8M a season cheaper because of it. The Phils sold 100K tickets in one afternoon after the announcement of Harper, so it's already paying big dividends for the team. Unless the Angels re-sign Trout, he will becoming back home to South Jersey and the Phillies.Since they built Citizens Bank Ballpark, the Philly fans have proven that if they put a winning team on the field they will sell out the place.  If those tix cost $25 each, they've already brought in $25M for this season alone.   And you know some of those tix cost more.  It's a great signing if Bryce plays 140 games a year and hits at least 28HR and .270 average.  Those numbers aren't great but the way he's going to positively affect Rhys Hoskins and Realmuto with his presence in the lineup is going to make an insane difference in that team.

I see Harper hitting an average of 15 to 20 HR's a season just at CBP. He has hit 14 Hr's in 179 career AB's at CBP.
that is the most home runs he has in any park in MLB outside of dc, which should bode well long term.
I get it.  People from outside of Philly are upset.  Trying to downplay what Harper will do.  I see 30+ HR's (easy) with a few years of 40+ mixed in, an OPS in the 900's and a BA around 270 to 280.  An impact player.  Exactly what the Phillies needed.  My non-Phillies friends from around the country are still upset, especially in LA.  They really thought they had Harper.  Were all for him but now all of a sudden he isn't that good.  Heh.
The last few years will be nothing most likely.  However the AAV of the contract at $25m won't be crippling when payrolls will be around $400m by then - most likely anyway.

From what Harper said during his press conference, it sounds like he is already talkin to Trout trying to get him to come home after 2020.



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Harper looks to be a .280 30-35 hr guy. That's good but way overpaid.



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Benlen wrote: Harper looks to be a .280 30-35 hr guy. That's good but way overpaid.I’m not a Phillies fan, and wasn’t a Harper fan until this deal because he took a ton less money than he could’ve gotten from everyone else.  If that Dodgers deal was to be believed, all he has to do is stay relatively healthy for four years and then he gets $330m for 10 years anywhere.
For you to say he’s overpaid, I do not disagree because they are all overpaid.  But at 26 and really not having figured it out yet and he’s already an MVP and he has one of the top 10 batters eyes in the game?  The Phillies got a STEAL.  He doesn’t even have to give the stats you name, he’s going to score 125 runs a season and have an OBP of .425 every year.  Rhys Hoskins, Realmuto, and maybe even Maikel Franco will benefit from just having him in the middle of the lineup.  I would put Segura at the top, Realmuto 2, then Harper with Hoskins cleaning up.  And for all the people that say they’ll regret the back end, they don’t realize that unlike most contracts, his is structured to decline in value with the most money earned this upcoming season via the $20m signing bonus.  By the last couple of years I believe it’s $20m per year and in 2031 there will be no hit Dominican 2B’s making that.



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Benlen wrote: Harper looks to be a .280 30-35 hr guy. That's good but way overpaid.
He's making a tad over $25M a season and with all the new money coming in ( tickets, merch), it's really only $16/18M a season. 



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khawk wrote: PTI reported that Harper may have turned down 4 years, 180 mil from the Dodgers before signing this contract. If that's true, then term and stability really did matter for Harper since those four years would have taken him to free agency in his prime, and the numbers he could have gotten then would probably have been just ridiculous (should his trajectory as a player continue the same or go up).Read yesterday the main reason he turned that down was the taxes in California were insane..



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Married Jo wrote: khawk wrote: PTI reported that Harper may have turned down 4 years, 180 mil from the Dodgers before signing this contract. If that's true, then term and stability really did matter for Harper since those four years would have taken him to free agency in his prime, and the numbers he could have gotten then would probably have been just ridiculous (should his trajectory as a player continue the same or go up).Read yesterday the main reason he turned that down was the taxes in California were insane..



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Superstar wrote: Benlen wrote: Harper looks to be a .280 30-35 hr guy. That's good but way overpaid.I’m not a Phillies fan, and wasn’t a Harper fan until this deal because he took a ton less money than he could’ve gotten from everyone else.  If that Dodgers deal was to be believed, all he has to do is stay relatively healthy for four years and then he gets $330m for 10 years anywhere.
For you to say he’s overpaid, I do not disagree because they are all overpaid.  But at 26 and really not having figured it out yet and he’s already an MVP and he has one of the top 10 batters eyes in the game?  The Phillies got a STEAL.  He doesn’t even have to give the stats you name, he’s going to score 125 runs a season and have an OBP of .425 every year.  Rhys Hoskins, Realmuto, and maybe even Maikel Franco will benefit from just having him in the middle of the lineup.  I would put Segura at the top, Realmuto 2, then Harper with Hoskins cleaning up.  And for all the people that say they’ll regret the back end, they don’t realize that unlike most contracts, his is structured to decline in value with the most money earned this upcoming season via the $20m signing bonus.  By the last couple of years I believe it’s $20m per year and in 2031 there will be no hit Dominican 2B’s making that.
Can't see him having an OBP of .425 every year. He's only done that once. Never really close to 125 runs a year either and he played on a team with good hitters.  If Harper puts up 2017 number Philly fans are gonna be disappointed. How many long term contracts have worked out? I don't recall any players getting 6-7 yrs and up succeeding in any way.



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No one knows if it will work out or not. What makes this unique is his age. 26 is still very young. Even at that, the last 3 years are probably a wash out.

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