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Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?

Tom Hanks is such a dedicated actor that he actually got AIDS to play that part and then he bought Magic Johnson’s drugs to get cured. You’re the one who was worked. 



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srossi wrote: broke wrote: Seems too high-risk/low reward to be an angle. And like Rossi said, the blowback on this would be epic.
I'd love to see the reactions in the social media/publicly owned company world that WWE now exists in to a good old-fashioned heart attack angle.  It wasn't long ago that Russo booked a Flair heart attack that fooled some people in the back.  Can you imagine on Raw if they got nuclear heat on Batista by having Flair fake a heart attack during that beat-down.  And if it was a really good angle that actually worked the boys and made Bleacher Report and Rolling Stone report it as real news on Facebook.  I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that even for something like that which was done several times over the years, the future of the company would be in jeopardy if they did it today.  I could see FOX and USA dropping them. They could be untouchable to any network outside of the ones Impact are on, and I could even see the SEC getting involved.

I'm glad that Fritz was able to pull through all his heart problems back in the 80's.  
But yeah, this being fake would put heat on the company, not Roman.  Or as a (not)wiser man once wrote:  Damn McMahon, you don't play with cancer, you idiot! DAMN YOU!!!



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Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 

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It isn't a work because in the age of social media and the ease that personal information (healthcare records, financial records, etc.) can be hacked, actually pulling this off as a work would be next to impossible and the ramifications of the work getting exposed would be bad enough to outweigh any gain from doing it. The idea that it's a work holds no weight in my opinion.

Regarding Roman Reigns making a movie, he has small part, no more than a scene or two, in Hobbs & Shaw which is the Fast & Furious spinoff movie with the characters played by The Rock and Jason Statham. Production concluded after the cancer diagnosis but began before that diagnosis was announced publicly.

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martini wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 


This thread is hilarious. In a world where a millionaire pays a referee to have plastic surgery, a story that is almost universally lauded, the fact that a wrestling character might have an illness that the performer does not have causes grown men to throw insults around the interwebs.

Worked injuries, fine. Worked deaths, fine. Worked cancer?  HOW COULD YOU???!!!!111! If this is true it would be THE ENDSSS OF THE WWE!!!!!111

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Kriss wrote: martini wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 


This thread is hilarious. In a world where a millionaire pays a referee to have plastic surgery, a story that is almost universally lauded, the fact that a wrestling character might have an illness that the performer does not have causes grown men to throw insults around the interwebs.

Worked injuries, fine. Worked deaths, fine. Worked cancer?  HOW COULD YOU???!!!!111! If this is true it would be THE ENDSSS OF THE WWE!!!!!111

Martini is a moron, but you are talking about a couple of completely different things here.  1) A plastic surgery storyline, even in the '80s, was beyond hokey and cartoonish and will always be played for laughs, no one will take that seriously as opposed to cancer and 2) different time, different fan mentality.  You can't compare anything from even 20 years ago, much less 30-50, to today.  "Blazing Saddles" doesn't get made today, and that's considered a comedy classic because it was grandfathered in.  Roddy Piper never works again if he makes any reference to a black wrestler shining his shoes as a joke.  So bringing up old angles is irrelevant.  There's a thread here about a sports announcer basically having his life ruined for comparing a black player to King Kong in the least racist way possible, and you're trying to pretend that WWE would be fine and dandy faking leukemia. 



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It’s too close to home; a lot of people know someone who has battled or died from cancer.


Pro wrestling is weird in that it’s a cross section of entertainment and can often times get away with weird stuff but I don’t see people embracing a cancer storyline.


I also think that people would feel betrayed if they bought Roman merchandise as a way of congratulating on his personal victory only to find out it was bullshit.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: When I had my Chemo, my hair didn't fall out and I only lost 2 lbs. It depends on the treatment tbh. You could be fine enough to live a normal as life as possible while undergoing treatments. It depends on what type of Leukemia he had. He could still workout, as long as the treatments allowed him to. He did look smaller in his upper body and I can guarantee that his stamina isn't even close to be where it needs to be to get into the ring for a full match.

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Roman's youth & physical conditioning have helped him battle cancer. A mere 
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I did not lose one hair due to chemo for my leukemia. I went for 12 months, alternatiing on and off months. Actually, it is very comminwith leukemia chemo not lose hair. It depends on the type of chemo beung used. There are several different forms of leukemia.

My treatment chemo of choice was arsenic. 

I actually put on a lot of weight durung the chemo treatment.  It dispelled everything I thought I knew about cancer.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 


This thread is hilarious. In a world where a millionaire pays a referee to have plastic surgery, a story that is almost universally lauded, the fact that a wrestling character might have an illness that the performer does not have causes grown men to throw insults around the interwebs.

Worked injuries, fine. Worked deaths, fine. Worked cancer?  HOW COULD YOU???!!!!111! If this is true it would be THE ENDSSS OF THE WWE!!!!!111

Martini is a moron, but you are talking about a couple of completely different things here.  1) A plastic surgery storyline, even in the '80s, was beyond hokey and cartoonish and will always be played for laughs, no one will take that seriously as opposed to cancer and 2) different time, different fan mentality.  You can't compare anything from even 20 years ago, much less 30-50, to today.  "Blazing Saddles" doesn't get made today, and that's considered a comedy classic because it was grandfathered in.  Roddy Piper never works again if he makes any reference to a black wrestler shining his shoes as a joke.  So bringing up old angles is irrelevant.  There's a thread here about a sports announcer basically having his life ruined for comparing a black player to King Kong in the least racist way possible, and you're trying to pretend that WWE would be fine and dandy faking leukemia. 


WWE did a racism angle not that long ago with Zeb Colter and the fans started chanting along with "We the people" and they ended up get a babyface reaction. WWE can't have a racist character because a certain section of the crowd will cheer for them. That's the same reason we won't get Steph's promised LGBTQ angle any time soon, because you can't control the live crowd. The crowd aren't going to cheer for cancer under any circumstances.

By the way, I was never suggesting that Roman's cancer is a work, or that WWE should have a character battle a potentially fatal disease as part of a story. My point was the ridiculous notion that any story should be off limits in a fictional setting. If you get worked, be happy about it. It's still real to you, dammit.

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Kriss wrote: WWE did a racism angle not that long ago with Zeb Colter and the fans started chanting along with "We the people" and they ended up get a babyface reaction. WWE can't have a racist character because a certain section of the crowd will cheer for them. That's the same reason we won't get Steph's promised LGBTQ angle any time soon, because you can't control the live crowd. The crowd aren't going to cheer for cancer under any circumstances.

By the way, I was never suggesting that Roman's cancer is a work, or that WWE should have a character battle a potentially fatal disease as part of a story. My point was the ridiculous notion that any story should be off limits in a fictional setting. If you get worked, be happy about it. It's still real to you, dammit.
We kinda already do have Steph's LGBTQ angle with Becky Lynch pretty much doing everything she can to dyke it up outside of actually going face first into Ronnie's snatch.  All we need is the Mickie James finger lick after a slam attempt and she's as lez as it can get.  What's sad in that aspect is that Sonya Deville is openly lesbian and could pull it off so much better if they wanted her to.  But the reality is, WWE is doing it the right way.  Nobody's sexual orientation should be used to further a storyline, they all should be treated the same no matter what.  Treating everything as normal is how you get past stereotypes anyway.



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Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: WWE did a racism angle not that long ago with Zeb Colter and the fans started chanting along with "We the people" and they ended up get a babyface reaction. WWE can't have a racist character because a certain section of the crowd will cheer for them. That's the same reason we won't get Steph's promised LGBTQ angle any time soon, because you can't control the live crowd. The crowd aren't going to cheer for cancer under any circumstances.

By the way, I was never suggesting that Roman's cancer is a work, or that WWE should have a character battle a potentially fatal disease as part of a story. My point was the ridiculous notion that any story should be off limits in a fictional setting. If you get worked, be happy about it. It's still real to you, dammit.
We kinda already do have Steph's LGBTQ angle with Becky Lynch pretty much doing everything she can to dyke it up outside of actually going face first into Ronnie's snatch.  All we need is the Mickie James finger lick after a slam attempt and she's as lez as it can get.  What's sad in that aspect is that Sonya Deville is openly lesbian and could pull it off so much better if they wanted her to.  But the reality is, WWE is doing it the right way.  Nobody's sexual orientation should be used to further a storyline, they all should be treated the same no matter what.  Treating everything as normal is how you get past stereotypes anyway.

Except that the PC police are mad about that now too.  I actual read criticism on "Bohemian Rhapsody" that Freddy Mercury's sexuality wasn't explored enough (even though he does make out with guys in the movie) and that he was too butch.  So as soon as they get what they want, they want to go back to over-the-type flamboyant stereotypes.  And the portrayal was accurate because off-stage Mercury was NOT flamboyant, and he fucked just as many girls as guys anyway.  But the real life Mercury doesn't fit the agenda of some fringe groups out there who exist to always be fighting something. 

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Papa Voo wrote: I did not lose one hair due to chemo for my leukemia. I went for 12 months, alternatiing on and off months. Actually, it is very comminwith leukemia chemo not lose hair. It depends on the type of chemo beung used. There are several different forms of leukemia.

My treatment chemo of choice was arsenic. 

I actually put on a lot of weight durung the chemo treatment.  It dispelled everything I thought I knew about cancer.

Did they put you on a liquid steroid and give it to you before each treatment?



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 


This thread is hilarious. In a world where a millionaire pays a referee to have plastic surgery, a story that is almost universally lauded, the fact that a wrestling character might have an illness that the performer does not have causes grown men to throw insults around the interwebs.

Worked injuries, fine. Worked deaths, fine. Worked cancer?  HOW COULD YOU???!!!!111! If this is true it would be THE ENDSSS OF THE WWE!!!!!111

Martini is a moron, but you are talking about a couple of completely different things here.  1) A plastic surgery storyline, even in the '80s, was beyond hokey and cartoonish and will always be played for laughs, no one will take that seriously as opposed to cancer and 2) different time, different fan mentality.  You can't compare anything from even 20 years ago, much less 30-50, to today.  "Blazing Saddles" doesn't get made today, and that's considered a comedy classic because it was grandfathered in.  Roddy Piper never works again if he makes any reference to a black wrestler shining his shoes as a joke.  So bringing up old angles is irrelevant.  There's a thread here about a sports announcer basically having his life ruined for comparing a black player to King Kong in the least racist way possible, and you're trying to pretend that WWE would be fine and dandy faking leukemia. 

No, you're a blame fool.



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martini wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: No way WWE works something like this in this era or any other. You don't fake cancer. Too taboo.

Were you upset when Tom Hanks worked the AIDS in Philadelphia?
That's a movie you idiot. There is a difference between an episodic program presented as an extension of reality. 


This thread is hilarious. In a world where a millionaire pays a referee to have plastic surgery, a story that is almost universally lauded, the fact that a wrestling character might have an illness that the performer does not have causes grown men to throw insults around the interwebs.

Worked injuries, fine. Worked deaths, fine. Worked cancer?  HOW COULD YOU???!!!!111! If this is true it would be THE ENDSSS OF THE WWE!!!!!111

Martini is a moron, but you are talking about a couple of completely different things here.  1) A plastic surgery storyline, even in the '80s, was beyond hokey and cartoonish and will always be played for laughs, no one will take that seriously as opposed to cancer and 2) different time, different fan mentality.  You can't compare anything from even 20 years ago, much less 30-50, to today.  "Blazing Saddles" doesn't get made today, and that's considered a comedy classic because it was grandfathered in.  Roddy Piper never works again if he makes any reference to a black wrestler shining his shoes as a joke.  So bringing up old angles is irrelevant.  There's a thread here about a sports announcer basically having his life ruined for comparing a black player to King Kong in the least racist way possible, and you're trying to pretend that WWE would be fine and dandy faking leukemia. 

No, you're a blame fool.

And you are a gibface flapdoodle.  Look it up.  Good day sir.  I said good day!



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