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 Posted: Fri Mar 1st, 2019 02:23 pm
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BlueThunder wrote: srossi wrote: He turned 60 in 1988, so that could have something to do with it.  Vince probably wanted someone who could take bumps, plus he's always had a weird thing with accents.  He might have though a Brit wasn't WWF material for that fan base.  It's hard to tell what goes through his head sometimes.

Edit: I do remember him having a heelish tendency as an announcer at times.  It was more comedic, and he was often just a goofy babyface, but he took the heel's side from time to time.


I get that his body was shot and all, but he still would have been a great manager or heel commentator. Aside from Heenan, he would have been the best manager. Slick, Jimmy Hart, Fred Blassie and Fuji were good, but not as good as Hayes. 

I never thought he was as good as Jimmy Hart.  And Fuji was still taking bumps.  But from other comments here it seems like Hayes just couldn't be on the road enough to be a manager.



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There was a great story about Hayes in one of the Apter mags in 1973. It told how he beat Dory Jr. fair and square in the middle of the ring, in Amarillo no less, but wasn't awarded the belt for some reason. Does anyone remember that article? The article really put Lord Alfred over as a top guy. Also he supposedly had a big cock.



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WongLee wrote: There was a great story about Hayes in one of the Apter mags in 1973. It told how he beat Dory Jr. fair and square in the middle of the ring, in Amarillo no less, but wasn't awarded the belt for some reason. Does anyone remember that article? The article really put Lord Alfred over as a top guy. Also he supposedly had a big cock.He pinned Dory Jr for the 1-2-3 in Amarillo.  No idea if he used an international object or not.  But Dory Sr objected to something and started beating the hell out of the ref.  And unbelievably the ref DQed Dory Jr after the pinfall, reversing the original decision, and Jr kept the belt.  Try that today and people would get mega pissed and call it all fake and fixed and they’ll never come back.  Until the next card of course.  Oh yeah, Lord Alfred had a baby’s arm clutching an apple swinging between his legs.  I bet trick or treat at his house was a lot of fun.



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Wasn't there some suggestion that that was a fabed story? An Apterization?

(The title change, not Lord Alfred's todger.)



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kargol wrote: Wasn't there some suggestion that that was a fabed story? An Apterization?

(The title change, not Lord Alfred's todger.)
Jeez man, what’s wrong with you?  If it was in an Apter mag, it’s as good as gold.  Grizzled old columnist Matt Brock was in attendance and filed the report.  Liz Hunter tried to interview Lord Al after the match but all she ended up with was a prolapsed anus.  They printed the photos in their Apartment Wrestling semi-annual issue but with it being black and white everybody thought it was just a glazed donut ad.



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This story keeps coming up from time to time, but the Apter mags made a big deal out of nothing.

Thursday, June 8, 1972 – Sports Arena – Amarillo, TX
1) Sal Dominguez fought Suni War Cloud to a draw
2) Eric Rommel defeated Dingo the Sundowner via DQ (2:43)
3) Wee Willie Wilson defeated Tiny Todd (5:53)
4) Moose Morowski defeated Ray Hunter (6:07)
5) Ciclon Negro & The Red Devil (w/ J.C. Dykes) defeated Terry Funk & Ricky Romero (6:50)
6) Brass Knuckles Champion Dick Murdoch defeated Pak Song via DQ (11:42)
7) World Heavyweight Champion Dory Funk, Jr. defeated Lord Alfred Hayes in three falls

From the June 9 Amarillo Globe-Times: “Dory Funk, Jr. won two of three falls Thursday night in a confusing match, that at first was given to Hayes, and retained the world wrestling championship at the Amarillo Sports Arena. With one fall apiece, Hayes appeared to pin Dory Jr. at 7:49 in the finale, but Dory Jr. had his legs sticking outside the ring, which nullified the pin. The referee was on the other side of Dory Jr. and did not see the defending champion’s leg under the ropes. Fans, wrestlers and promoter Jerry Kozak talked to the referee and explained Dory’s legs were sticking out of the ring, and the match resumed. Dory Jr. pinned Hayes at 6:05 in the third round. He used a back bridge to win the first fall in 17:01. Hayes evened the standings by winning the next session with a standing leg lock in 7:48. Dick Murdoch also retained his Brass Knucks Trophy on a disqualification. Pak Song used karate at 11:42. Ciclon Negro and Red Devil won over Terry Funk and Ricky Romero in 6:50. Red Devil’s manager, J.C. Dykes, placed a hard object in the newcomer’s knee pad. Then Red Devil stunned Terry with a knee lift and scored a pin with a press. Ray Hunter was the victim of Moose Morowski’s atomic drop at 6:07. In a clash of the midgets, Wee Willie Wilson checked Tiny Todd with an airplane spin at 5:53. Eric Rommel was awarded the decision at 2:43 when Dingo the Sundowner wouldn’t break a full nelson. The card opened with Suni War Cloud and Sal Dominguez having to settle for a draw.”

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Didn't he have a falling out with Vince Jr. toward the end of his career there? I seem to remember hearing something about their being bad blood between them



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I think lord al quit around 95 because Vince was going to cut his pay and it was going to put him upside down due to the cost of living in CT.



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Didn’t Roddy Piper accuse him of molesting him when he first broke into the business? He accused Pat Patterson as well and then they were best friends on “Legends House”.



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Regarding the Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes duo not saying much of note on commentary, it always seemed like they were working in a vacuum. I say that as an explanation rather than as any sort of excuse for the pedestrian commentary. They would call a match from a July 1990 Challenge taping that could be used on a Prime Time airing or a Coliseum Home Video release at some undetermined point in the future. It might be three weeks later or it might be months down the line. On that basis, the commentary had to be as generic as possible to not date the footage. Is that a false memory on my part or does anyone else remember it in that way?

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tamalie wrote: Regarding the Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes duo not saying much of note on commentary, it always seemed like they were working in a vacuum. I say that as an explanation rather than as any sort of excuse for the pedestrian commentary. They would call a match from a July 1990 Challenge taping that could be used on a Prime Time airing or a Coliseum Home Video release at some undetermined point in the future. It might be three weeks later or it might be months down the line. On that basis, the commentary had to be as generic as possible to not date the footage. Is that a false memory on my part or does anyone else remember it in that way?
It’s a good point. They weren’t used exclusively in this way, but as the D team that was pretty much their role.



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Just something else to remember is that back then they were only doing four PPVs a year and there was no live Raw every week. They would go months at a time without needing to hype a specific event, but at the same time all they had to do was hype the characters and perhaps one program they were involved in (feuds back then would last for six months). It was definitely a simpler time.



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tamalie wrote: Regarding the Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes duo not saying much of note on commentary, it always seemed like they were working in a vacuum. I say that as an explanation rather than as any sort of excuse for the pedestrian commentary. They would call a match from a July 1990 Challenge taping that could be used on a Prime Time airing or a Coliseum Home Video release at some undetermined point in the future. It might be three weeks later or it might be months down the line. On that basis, the commentary had to be as generic as possible to not date the footage. Is that a false memory on my part or does anyone else remember it in that way?I respectfully disagree. Every other announcer there was saddled with the same handcuffs at one time or another. Monsoon, who is often ridiculed hard by smart fans, shined in the taped match, CHV and house show commentary format. I agree that Alfered was slightly better than Mooney, who simply was not a fan or student of the business., but Alfred just wasn't any good as an announcer. I liked him in the AWA as a heel manager, he was pretty cool on TNT, I even liked him as a full heel opposite  Mick Karch in the AWF. But I couldn't stand him with Sean Mooney in any way, shape, or form.

Also, yes. I can confirm that Al had a horsecock...and don't ask me how I know...



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Alfred and Karch in the AWF were great, I’d love for someone to release the balance of those episodes on dvd

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