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 Posted: Sun May 5th, 2019 05:41 pm
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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  


The system is broken when you are crying for people who earn $20M a year. 

The system is broken when worthless people think they deserve what others have for no reason except they want it. 

You also wisely chose not to address my main point, which is that poor people never see tax dollars anyway. You just would prefer to flush money down the toilet so that “rich people” don’t have it, but the idea of poor people getting it is a pipedream. Have fun using that money to blow up more brown children though. Even Obama loved doing that. 

It's ridiculous to suggest that a socialist government that had a 90% tax rate, even at the astronomical end of the pay scale, would simultaneously spend it's new found riches on "all the things that liberals hate". I didn't address that point because I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out your ridiculous strawman.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  


The system is broken when you are crying for people who earn $20M a year. 

The system is broken when worthless people think they deserve what others have for no reason except they want it. 

You also wisely chose not to address my main point, which is that poor people never see tax dollars anyway. You just would prefer to flush money down the toilet so that “rich people” don’t have it, but the idea of poor people getting it is a pipedream. Have fun using that money to blow up more brown children though. Even Obama loved doing that. 

It's ridiculous to suggest that a socialist government that had a 90% tax rate, even at the astronomical end of the pay scale, would simultaneously spend it's new found riches on "all the things that liberals hate". I didn't address that point because I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out your ridiculous strawman.

It’s embarrassing that you still think that government cares about people and will spend efficiently to help people when that has never happened in the history of any government system ever. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  


The system is broken when you are crying for people who earn $20M a year. 

The system is broken when worthless people think they deserve what others have for no reason except they want it. 

You also wisely chose not to address my main point, which is that poor people never see tax dollars anyway. You just would prefer to flush money down the toilet so that “rich people” don’t have it, but the idea of poor people getting it is a pipedream. Have fun using that money to blow up more brown children though. Even Obama loved doing that. 

It's ridiculous to suggest that a socialist government that had a 90% tax rate, even at the astronomical end of the pay scale, would simultaneously spend it's new found riches on "all the things that liberals hate". I didn't address that point because I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out your ridiculous strawman.

It’s embarrassing that you still think that government cares about people and will spend efficiently to help people when that has never happened in the history of any government system ever. 


But this 90% tax rate is pure fantasy. In a world where AOC is president, the money wouldn't be going to the military.

Samuel Jackson can only play Samuel Jackson. Tarantino writes the best Samuel Jackson.

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Fantasy or not the idea alone is bothersome to me. So many young people nowadays think they are owed something. universal basic income may be a necessary reality in 30 years but it isn’t now so everyone should get to work and provide for themselves if possible.



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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  

I wasn't supporting it, but I've heard too many people who think the rich will pay 90% on all income.



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I understand the proposal, I just don’t understand why anyone would support it.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  


The system is broken when you are crying for people who earn $20M a year. 

The system is broken when worthless people think they deserve what others have for no reason except they want it. 

You also wisely chose not to address my main point, which is that poor people never see tax dollars anyway. You just would prefer to flush money down the toilet so that “rich people” don’t have it, but the idea of poor people getting it is a pipedream. Have fun using that money to blow up more brown children though. Even Obama loved doing that. 

It's ridiculous to suggest that a socialist government that had a 90% tax rate, even at the astronomical end of the pay scale, would simultaneously spend it's new found riches on "all the things that liberals hate". I didn't address that point because I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out your ridiculous strawman.

It’s embarrassing that you still think that government cares about people and will spend efficiently to help people when that has never happened in the history of any government system ever. 


But this 90% tax rate is pure fantasy. In a world where AOC is president, the money wouldn't be going to the military.

Samuel Jackson can only play Samuel Jackson. Tarantino writes the best Samuel Jackson.

AOC being president may be pure fantasy (and maybe not the way the extremes dominate lately), but in a world where she is president that money will still be going to the military.  Obama and Trump both snorted various degrees of anti-war and fiscal responsibility propaganda and look where we are.  They get into a room on Day One and are told there are certain things that are non-negotiable, president or no president, and whether it's their fear of a world on the brink of destruction due to "top secret information" or an explicit threat, the military gets their money every single time.  This has not changed with any president since the '40s.  AOC certainly won't be the exception.   

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Franchise wrote:

I’m not a hard ass; I think the government and we as people should help others less fortunate but I think a 90% tax on the rich is crazy. 

You do realize it's not a 90% tax on the rich, right?  It's 90% on the amount over the 10 Million Dollar cap.  If I make 10M my tax doesn't change.  If I make $10,000,001  I pay 90% on the extra dollar.

And if you make $20 million you pay 90% on $10 million and that's crazy.  The government isn't giving that money to the poor, they're spending it on all the things liberals hate anyway, namely the military (where even half of that gets "lost") and to overpay private contractors.  So I don't understand your point.  It's redistribution of wealth from the very rich and competent to the very rich and incompetent.  


The system is broken when you are crying for people who earn $20M a year. 

The system is broken when worthless people think they deserve what others have for no reason except they want it. 

You also wisely chose not to address my main point, which is that poor people never see tax dollars anyway. You just would prefer to flush money down the toilet so that “rich people” don’t have it, but the idea of poor people getting it is a pipedream. Have fun using that money to blow up more brown children though. Even Obama loved doing that. 

It's ridiculous to suggest that a socialist government that had a 90% tax rate, even at the astronomical end of the pay scale, would simultaneously spend it's new found riches on "all the things that liberals hate". I didn't address that point because I didn't want to embarrass you by pointing out your ridiculous strawman.

It’s embarrassing that you still think that government cares about people and will spend efficiently to help people when that has never happened in the history of any government system ever. 


But this 90% tax rate is pure fantasy. In a world where AOC is president, the money wouldn't be going to the military.

Samuel Jackson can only play Samuel Jackson. Tarantino writes the best Samuel Jackson.

AOC being president may be pure fantasy (and maybe not the way the extremes dominate lately), but in a world where she is president that money will still be going to the military.  Obama and Trump both snorted various degrees of anti-war and fiscal responsibility propaganda and look where we are.  They get into a room on Day One and are told there are certain things that are non-negotiable, president or no president, and whether it's their fear of a world on the brink of destruction due to "top secret information" or an explicit threat, the military gets their money every single time.  This has not changed with any president since the '40s.  AOC certainly won't be the exception.   



Agreed. 

And you may nit have good personal consequences if you try to buck that systematic plan. 



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