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 Posted: Wed Apr 3rd, 2019 04:33 am
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Kriss wrote: So the main event is title for title. Ugh. So we either get a finish that doesn't involve Becky, or someone loses their title without getting pinned. Both are horrible options.

Does anyone have a good answer why WWE (Vince) don't like multi-man matches being elimination matches. I get the idea that it's a cheap way to continue a story with the result being inconclusive and someone can be kept "strong" by losing but not really losing; but by doing that, they make these matches mean far less, especially at WM.

It's so strange that WWE hangs on to this old school booking idea, from long before wrestling was a TV product, that you don't stop a feud that's making money, you keep having rematches until the people stop paying. That may have worked in the 50s, 60s and 70s in weekly wrestling cities, but it doesn't work today. WWE is a television product now, and television stories need conclusions.


I prefer multi-person matches to be elimination matches I hate it when they aren’t. 

I couldn’t agree more about stories needing conclusions. If the E wants to have a bunch of nonsense in the angle have it in the weeks leading up to the main match and then have a culmination that gives the fans a clear cut winner. It’s not like a clean loss ruins a career or story arc they can still come back to it later. Becky is the hot hand so give her the clean win at Mania and let her run her course and then is Rousey is hot when Becky is sliding then fire the series back up and have her avenge her loss. 

The revival v anyone other than Allister and Ricochet at mania is stupid. That could be a super fun match that steals the show. 

Is the E worried if they actually give the fans a swerve free Mania that it will be a disappointment? 



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Added on Smackdown:

WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship
Jey Uso & Jimmy Uso (c) vs. Ricochet & Aleister Black vs. Cesaro & Sheamus vs. Shinsuke Nakamura & Rusev

So... they put Ricochet & Black into SmackDown's tag match and not Raw's tag match. Note that Ricochet & Black are doing double duty over WM weekend, also facing War Raiders at TakeOver.

It's also been confirmed that both jobber battle royals and the Cruiserweight title match will be on the pre-show. 15 matches in total, 12 on the main show. And the possibility that the Revival vs. Hawkins & Ryder will also be added, since they are not scheduled for the jobber battle royal.

That SmackDown tag match is so sad, because Cesaro, Nakamura and Rusev have all been super over at some point in their careers, yet they get buried in this match, while Orton and Corbin, who both suck (Corbin will never be over), get singles matches.

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The funny thing is that Ricochet and Black have been getting more screen time during WM season than any other 2 WWE wrestlers, only to be added to a meaningless WM match at the last minute. It would've made more sense to call them up after WM, but WWE panicked with the low ratings, called up 10 people, and have used 2 of them while guys like EC3 and Heavy Machinery were DOA.



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Big E trolling on Twitter:

I like to think of Smackdown as the mouthwash you need after the turd Raw just left in your mouth.

(I’d like to think I can get away with this tweet. If not...I was hacked.)— Florida Man (@WWEBigE) April 2, 2019



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There are too many matches. It is a side effect of having Raw and SD act as separate promotions with their own talent, angles, and titles. You wind up with twice as many guys getting pushed than if it was just one brand and the number of people on the roster is significantly higher too. The WWE naturally wants to give Mania fans a loaded show with all the wrestlers and wants to give wrestlers the Mania spotlight and payday which is great for morale. There were some times when the WWE roster grew to being too big to include everyone, but no battle royal was held to fit in the leftovers. There were some hard feelings in those years and having a battle royal makes life backstage a lot better for everyone. That said, make the battle royal bigger and have more multiple participant matches because, including the preshow, we are up to 16 or 17 matches plus angles, an Elias segment that may or may not include Cena or Undertaker, a Cena segment if he doesn't work with Elias in an angle or brief match, the HOF inductions, the opening ceremonies with America The Beautiful, any possible musical performances, interviews, and video packages. We have also gone beyond a quick 4 minute match to get the Divas on the show to the point where we have multiple womens matches, including the main event, and they'll get time. It is way too much. Clear out some deadweight, have fewer matches, and make the thing shorter. When live fans and TV fans are looking at their watches and squirming, and that has happened the last few Manias, there's a problem.

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tamalie wrote: There are too many matches. It is a side effect of having Raw and SD act as separate promotions with their own talent, angles, and titles. You wind up with twice as many guys getting pushed than if it was just one brand and the number of people on the roster is significantly higher too. The WWE naturally wants to give Mania fans a loaded show with all the wrestlers and wants to give wrestlers the Mania spotlight and payday which is great for morale. There were some times when the WWE roster grew to being too big to include everyone, but no battle royal was held to fit in the leftovers. There were some hard feelings in those years and having a battle royal makes life backstage a lot better for everyone. That said, make the battle royal bigger and have more multiple participant matches because, including the preshow, we are up to 16 or 17 matches plus angles, an Elias segment that may or may not include Cena or Undertaker, a Cena segment if he doesn't work with Elias in an angle or brief match, the HOF inductions, the opening ceremonies with America The Beautiful, any possible musical performances, interviews, and video packages. We have also gone beyond a quick 4 minute match to get the Divas on the show to the point where we have multiple womens matches, including the main event, and they'll get time. It is way too much. Clear out some deadweight, have fewer matches, and make the thing shorter. When live fans and TV fans are looking at their watches and squirming, and that has happened the last few Manias, there's a problem.
Not to mention a company that is once again aimed at kids is having their biggest show run past midnight (eastern time). It is too much, especially when a majority of the audience is watching on The Network and isn't "invested" as they would be in a $69.95 PPV.



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Yeah it’s unfortunate my son will be in bed by 1000 regardless and he will have to finish it Monday when he gets home from school and truthfully it’s probably for the best as his interest will be fading by then.


I know they won’t do it but 9 matches and the battle royal on the main show with a 10 man tag on the pre show all in 4hrs and change would be perfect. I think 3hrs would be plenty but I could settle on 4.



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Franchise wrote: Yeah it’s unfortunate my son will be in bed by 1000 regardless and he will have to finish it Monday when he gets home from school and truthfully it’s probably for the best as his interest will be fading by then.


I know they won’t do it but 9 matches and the battle royal on the main show with a 10 man tag on the pre show all in 4hrs and change would be perfect. I think 3hrs would be plenty but I could settle on 4.
Bundy 5 Count.

Meaning WM should clock in just under 5 hours IMO.



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If you were worried that the WrestleMania card was looking a bit thin, worry no longer. Added to the card today:

WWE Raw Tag Team Championship
Dash Wilder & Scott Dawson (c) vs. Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins

Of course Hawkins will probably break his win streak on the biggest stage possible, and then lose the title Monday night on Raw. How is anyone supposed to suspend their disbelief when, in storyline, the worst wrestler in the WWE can get a title shot at WrestleMania?

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Kriss wrote:  How is anyone supposed to suspend their disbelief when, in storyline, the worst wrestler in the WWE can get a title shot at WrestleMania?The phrase #1 contender has absolutely no meaning or significance.

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Boz1515 wrote: Kriss wrote:  How is anyone supposed to suspend their disbelief when, in storyline, the worst wrestler in the WWE can get a title shot at WrestleMania?The phrase #1 contender has absolutely no meaning or significance.
Don't get me started.



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You can’t honestly believe Curt Hawkins is the worst wrestler in WWE, can you?



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Superstar wrote: You can’t honestly believe Curt Hawkins is the worst wrestler in WWE, can you?That's not what he said. Kayfabe wise, yeah. He loses all of his matches.



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