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This is ummmm....not good. Nice to see Miley getting billed ahead of Santana. Why? I don't really know.

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Santana, Robert Plant, and Gary Clark Jr. are literally the only 3 acts there that I’d ever consider paying to see. And you’d have to pay me to watch the others.

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John Fogerty was old when I was in grade school.

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Holy hell this is bad. But if I were there I would totally pop for Melanie if she sang Brand New Key.

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For the demographic the promoters are aiming at, this is perfectly fine as a diverse festival lineup with some major league superstars, some big in their genre stars, some popular names of the recent past, some young acts coming up, and a few legends solely to tie back to the original Woodstock in a quest for media attention.

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The only ones I’d pay to see are Rival Sons and The Marcus King band. Marcus is a bad motherfucker...

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Principal_Raditch wrote: John Fogerty was old when I was in grade school.John "Old" Fogerty might of been old when we were in grade school, but he was and still is the most talented person on the whole bill.

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I'm thinking that "Altamont 50" would be a better time.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: John Fogerty was old when I was in grade school.John "Old" Fogerty might of been old when we were in grade school, but he was and still is the most talented person on the whole bill.
Nah, second most talented behind Jack White..

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So Santana is now booked for both the Bethel Woods Woodstock and the official Woodstock the same weekend?

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srossi wrote: So Santana is now booked for both the Bethel Woods Woodstock and the official Woodstock the same weekend?He's Hardcore!  He's Hardcore!

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i think day 2 looks the best. i have seen the black keys and gary clarke jr, and would see both again. i would love to see greta van fleet and edward sharpe also.

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hammettime wrote: i think day 2 looks the best. i have seen the black keys and gary clarke jr, and would see both again. i would love to see greta van fleet and edward sharpe also.
I saw the Black Keys at the first Global Citizen Festival in Central Park, the best one headlined by Foo Fighters and Neil Young.  It was a free ticket lotto.  They were OK at best, I just don't really get modern indie rock. 

Gary Clark, Jr. I saw at a free concert last year in Prospect Park and he was phenomenal.  It was a steal to see him for free because he commands a hefty ticket price at places like Radio City Music Hall and Beacon Theatre when he usually comes through NY.

I've seen Robert Plant and the Sensational Space Shifters in 2014 at an opera house.  I had previously seen him with Band of Joy at Bowery Ballroom.  He does a few Zeppelin covers but mostly plays blues, jazz, world music, etc. now.  I've seen him twice just to say that I did but wouldn't go out of my way to see him again.

I saw Dorothy open for Halestorm and Lita Ford at a girl power show at Webster Hall in 2016.  She was fairly unmemorable as the first act of the night, but was treated well and invited to come back out to sing with both bigger acts later on.  Her voice is good.

I saw Rival Sons open for Black Sabbath in 2016 and I had heard a lot of hype about them, but to be perfectly honest I remember absolutely nothing about their set. 

I think that's it.  I had the opportunity to see Greta Van Fleet right before they broke out as an early afternoon band at a metal festival, and I barely knew who they were at the time and skipped it.  I regret that now, and I wouldn't pay big money to see them at this point.  I also had the opportunity to see Fever 333 at a ton of metal festivals, they seriously get booked on every single one ever, but I've heard 2 or 3 of their songs and they're awful, so I avoid them like the plague.  I can't believe they're booked at Woodstock too.  Their agent would book them at a flee market.

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Nathaniel Rateliff can put on a decent show. Ditto Bishop Briggs.

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srossi wrote: hammettime wrote: i think day 2 looks the best. i have seen the black keys and gary clarke jr, and would see both again. i would love to see greta van fleet and edward sharpe also.

I saw Dorothy open for Halestorm and Lita Ford at a girl power show at Webster Hall in 2016.  She was fairly unmemorable as the first act of the night, but was treated well and invited to come back out to sing with both bigger acts later on.  Her voice is good.
I was at that same show.  If you remember seeing a limping guy that looked like he wanted to kill a bunch of millenials because they kept bumping and pushing him while he didn't realize there wasn't a single seat to be had in the building, that was me.  Dorothy has a great voice, the songs need some help, but what she's most famous for are her really big tits that sometimes accidentally work their way into the act because she likes to sing braless.

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KSuperstar wrote: srossi wrote: hammettime wrote: i think day 2 looks the best. i have seen the black keys and gary clarke jr, and would see both again. i would love to see greta van fleet and edward sharpe also.

I saw Dorothy open for Halestorm and Lita Ford at a girl power show at Webster Hall in 2016.  She was fairly unmemorable as the first act of the night, but was treated well and invited to come back out to sing with both bigger acts later on.  Her voice is good.
I was at that same show.  If you remember seeing a limping guy that looked like he wanted to kill a bunch of millenials because they kept bumping and pushing him while he didn't realize there wasn't a single seat to be had in the building, that was me.  Dorothy has a great voice, the songs need some help, but what she's most famous for are her really big tits that sometimes accidentally work their way into the act because she likes to sing braless.

That’s a really gay show for both us to admit to being at, but I’m OK with it. Maybe one day we’ll meet at a Mary Kay Party. 

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You guys could go to day 3 together

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srossi wrote: Santana, Robert Plant, and Gary Clark Jr. are literally the only 3 acts there that I’d ever consider paying to see. And you’d have to pay me to watch the others.Run the Jewels, Akon, Fogerty, and Santana for me. 

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Miley might be interesting in a gig like this. I don't believe she's played to too many festival crowds. She is an amazing vocalist and when she does covers she picks good ones. On the other hand the crowd could shit on her so bad that it would make Joni Mitchell at Isle of Wight look like Queen at Live Aid.

Rival Sons, Greta, Hot Fucking Tuna, and the Black Keys could all have interesting sets. Three days worth is a stretch though.

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WongLee wrote: Miley might be interesting in a gig like this. I don't believe she's played to too many festival crowds. She is an amazing vocalist and when she does covers she picks good ones. On the other hand the crowd could shit on her so bad that it would make Joni Mitchell at Isle of Wight look like Queen at Live Aid.

Miley blew people away at the Chris Cornell tribute show with her rendition of "Say Hello 2 Heaven".  She won over a MUCH tougher crowd that day than the eclectic mix of hipsters and stoners that will be at Woodstock 50.  And I wanted to hate her cover of Zeppelin's "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" but it was annoying that she kinda nailed it.

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Hmmmm..........

http://bravewords.com/news/woodstock-50-cancellation-just-a-rumour-but-ticket-sales-now-go-on-hold

Organizers for Woodstock 50, celebrating the anniversary of iconic 1969 musical and cultural event have put a "hold" on ticket sales which were scheduled to start tomorrow (April 22nd) in honour of Earth Day, leading to rumors that the event may be cancelled. Tickets will now go "on sale soon" for the concert set to feature more than 80 performers and running from August 16th - 18th Aug. 16-18 in Watkins Glen, Schuyler County in New York state.

According to Billboard, talent manager Amanda Phelan with Woodstock 50 talent-buyer Danny Wimmer Presents sent an email to agents representing acts at the concert in Watkins Glen, New York, explaining, "There is currently a hold on the Woodstock 50 on-sale date. We are waiting on an official press statement from Woodstock 50 regarding updated announce, ticket pricing, and overall festival information. We will get this information to you as soon as we receive it."

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Something is very wrong here. This is incredibly unusual.

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srossi wrote: Something is very wrong here. This is incredibly unusual.Maybe their money mark backed out.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Something is very wrong here. This is incredibly unusual.Maybe their money mark backed out.

If they need a new one, I don’t think Dixie Carter has a lot going on right now. 

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srossi wrote: Santana, Robert Plant, and Gary Clark Jr. are literally the only 3 acts there that I’d ever consider paying to see. And you’d have to pay me to watch the others.


Subtract Santana, add The Killers and Sturgill Simpson, and you would get my list.

All things honest, if I didn't have to go too much out of my way and I didn't have to pay more than $10, I would add Jay Z to my list. I always liked 'Empire State Of Mind'...Other than that, I would be going in cold as far as knowing any of his other songs, and would be for the "spectacle" purely.

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Fuck Woodstock, the Exit 111 Festival in Tennessee in October just released their lineup and it's stacked.  90% of these bands are pretty awesome.  You have Graveyard buried more than halfway down the list and they kick all sorts of ass. 

Note that earlier in the thread I mentioned that Fever 333 was LITERALLY booked at every festival, and here they are again.

GUNS N' ROSES
DEF LEPPARD
LYNYRD SKYNYRD
SLAYER
ZZ TOP
DEFTONES
GHOST
MEGADETH
COHEED & CAMBRIA
LAMB OF GOD
MASTODON
SEETHER
ALTER BRIDGE
GOJIRA
CHEAP TRICK
BLACKBERRY SMOKE
BLACK LABEL SOCIETY
MINISTRY
SKILLET
NOTHING MORE
SLEEPING WITH SIRENS
OF MICE & MEN
THRICE
WHITECHAPEL
POWER TRIP
BLACK STONE CHERRY
FEVER 333
GRAVEYARD
THE CADILLAC THREE
10 YEARS
FROM ASHES TO NEW
TYLER BRYANT AND THE SHAKEDOWN
NEW YEARS DAY
ALIEN WEAPONRY
BISHOP GUNN
DEAD SARA
PLAGUE VENDOR
DIRTY HONEY
TETRARCH
WATERMOX
KYLE SHUTT
O'BROTHER
  

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srossi wrote: Fuck Woodstock, the Exit 111 Festival in Tennessee in October just released their lineup and it's stacked.  90% of these bands are pretty awesome.  You have Graveyard buried more than halfway down the list and they kick all sorts of ass. 

Note that earlier in the thread I mentioned that Fever 333 was LITERALLY booked at every festival, and here they are again.

GUNS N' ROSES
DEF LEPPARD
LYNYRD SKYNYRD
SLAYER
ZZ TOP
DEFTONES
GHOST
MEGADETH
COHEED & CAMBRIA
LAMB OF GOD
MASTODON
SEETHER
ALTER BRIDGE
GOJIRA
CHEAP TRICK
BLACKBERRY SMOKE
BLACK LABEL SOCIETY
MINISTRY
SKILLET
NOTHING MORE
SLEEPING WITH SIRENS
OF MICE & MEN
THRICE
WHITECHAPEL
POWER TRIP
BLACK STONE CHERRY
FEVER 333
GRAVEYARD
THE CADILLAC THREE
10 YEARS
FROM ASHES TO NEW
TYLER BRYANT AND THE SHAKEDOWN
NEW YEARS DAY
ALIEN WEAPONRY
BISHOP GUNN
DEAD SARA
PLAGUE VENDOR
DIRTY HONEY
TETRARCH
WATERMOX
KYLE SHUTT
O'BROTHER
  

Sheesh, Do they have the days each band will be playing announced yet?


I assume there will be two stages going at once with a Main and minor?

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I won't even argue that the Exit 111 Festival has a good lineup, but that event is also after a totally different audience than Woodstock 50. It is hard to make a true comparison between the events.

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Fuck Woodstock, the Exit 111 Festival in Tennessee in October just released their lineup and it's stacked.  90% of these bands are pretty awesome.  You have Graveyard buried more than halfway down the list and they kick all sorts of ass. 

Note that earlier in the thread I mentioned that Fever 333 was LITERALLY booked at every festival, and here they are again.

GUNS N' ROSES
DEF LEPPARD
LYNYRD SKYNYRD
SLAYER
ZZ TOP
DEFTONES
GHOST
MEGADETH
COHEED & CAMBRIA
LAMB OF GOD
MASTODON
SEETHER
ALTER BRIDGE
GOJIRA
CHEAP TRICK
BLACKBERRY SMOKE
BLACK LABEL SOCIETY
MINISTRY
SKILLET
NOTHING MORE
SLEEPING WITH SIRENS
OF MICE & MEN
THRICE
WHITECHAPEL
POWER TRIP
BLACK STONE CHERRY
FEVER 333
GRAVEYARD
THE CADILLAC THREE
10 YEARS
FROM ASHES TO NEW
TYLER BRYANT AND THE SHAKEDOWN
NEW YEARS DAY
ALIEN WEAPONRY
BISHOP GUNN
DEAD SARA
PLAGUE VENDOR
DIRTY HONEY
TETRARCH
WATERMOX
KYLE SHUTT
O'BROTHER
  

Sheesh, Do they have the days each band will be playing announced yet?


I assume there will be two stages going at once with a Main and minor?

2 stages, 3 days. Everything announced but the pic is too large for me to post.

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I heard that at this festival Slayer, Lynyrd Skynyrd and The Shield will have a final retirement Triple Threat match. This is a great lineup for 1982 or so. I'm surprised Black Stone Cherry didn't become bigger than they are. I guess they needed someone to replace Cheap Trick after those guys finally all drop dead.

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WongLee wrote: I guess they needed someone to replace Cheap Trick after those guys finally all drop dead.
It must suck to be Cheap Trick and get billing behind Gojira at this point.  I think Cheap Trick over-tours.  I don't know if they need the money or if they just don't want to ever see their families, but they must be on the road almost 300 days a year, every year, since the '70s.  These guys will open for anyone, even Poison, or headline a flea market.  And on the rare day when Cheap Trick is off, Robin Zander does solo shows sometimes. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: I guess they needed someone to replace Cheap Trick after those guys finally all drop dead.
It must suck to be Cheap Trick and get billing behind Gojira at this point.  I think Cheap Trick over-tours.  I don't know if they need the money or if they just don't want to ever see their families, but they must be on the road almost 300 days a year, every year, since the '70s.  These guys will open for anyone, even Poison, or headline a flea market.  And on the rare day when Cheap Trick is off, Robin Zander does solo shows sometimes.
300 nights a year is not an exaggeration. When they're opening, which is what they do most of the time, their setlist is beyond stale. I've seen them at least 15 times and when I caught them last year at Jones Beach they completely phoned it in. Rick Neilson even made a joke from the stage "it's a pleasure to be back at Jones Beach for the 472nd time". I too wonder why they are so hungry for money that they work harder than plantation workers.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: I guess they needed someone to replace Cheap Trick after those guys finally all drop dead.
It must suck to be Cheap Trick and get billing behind Gojira at this point.  I think Cheap Trick over-tours.  I don't know if they need the money or if they just don't want to ever see their families, but they must be on the road almost 300 days a year, every year, since the '70s.  These guys will open for anyone, even Poison, or headline a flea market.  And on the rare day when Cheap Trick is off, Robin Zander does solo shows sometimes.
300 nights a year is not an exaggeration. When they're opening, which is what they do most of the time, their setlist is beyond stale. I've seen them at least 15 times and when I caught them last year at Jones Beach they completely phoned it in. Rick Neilson even made a joke from the stage "it's a pleasure to be back at Jones Beach for the 472nd time". I too wonder why they are so hungry for money that they work harder than plantation workers.

I’ve seen them close to 20 times and paid to see them as a headliner maybe once. It’s always opening for someone else, at a festival, or doing a free summer park show. They must come to the NYC area alone 4-5 times a year. When other bands come twice, people complain that it’s oversaturation. 

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Cheap Trick open because they want to. I’ve heard Rick talk about it; they bring a crowd so they get paid good to come open big tours, they play an hour, get gone and are in their hotel or on the road by the time the headliner comes on..they WANT it this way..

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They used to play bars under the name Stinky Fingers. I think they just love to play.

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Married Jo wrote: Cheap Trick open because they want to. I’ve heard Rick talk about it; they bring a crowd so they get paid good to come open big tours, they play an hour, get gone and are in their hotel or on the road by the time the headliner comes on..they WANT it this way..
I'm sure there was some truth to that at one point, but it may be closer to delusion now.  The last few times I saw them open, for everyone from Poison to Heart, the place was pretty empty for their set.  How big a draw for the headliners could they be?  It's hard to get excited about seeing them at this point.  They're really over-exposed.  I'm a big fan and I'm sure when Zander or Nielsen die I'll be heartbroken and wish that I had taken every opportunity to see them 500 more times, but at this point I figure I've seen them so much I can always catch them in a couple of months. 

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By the way, this thread got me itching for a decent festival, but I can’t get away for a real trip this summer. So I decided on a last-minute trip to Philly shortly to see something called the MMR*B*Q. It’s a one-stage mini-festival with 8 bands: Shinedown, Evanescence, The Struts, Joan Jett, Fozzy, Glorious Sons, Bad Wolves, and a local band that won a contest. Pretty good lineup and only cost about $40 plus the hotel. My wife and son will do kid’s things while I’m there on Saturday and then we’ll all do something together on Sunday. I’m looking forward to it.

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It has been canceled

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/festivals/8509091/woodstock-50-festival-cancelled?fbclid=IwAR1SPtHawHCdYQJ5mKKVyTD8AL4-sVg34EW2eB6E11t2Eztvwt6qTEkWkuU

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No real reason given, but no surprise.

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The organizers are now denying that the festival was canceled and say they will sue their financial backers. What a clusterfuck.

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Is OG promoter Michael Lang involved in this?

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Yes, Michael Lang is acting as a promoter and has been very vocal about the show going on.

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It sounds like Dixie Carter is involved based on how fucked up this got.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/woodstock-50-dentsu-aegis-amplifi-live-response-834737/

‘Incompetence and Contractual Breaches.’ Dentsu Fires Back at Woodstock Organizers

Amplifi Live, a subsidiary of Dentsu Aegis, claims Woodstock 50 cofounder Michael Lang breached the contract between the festival and investor repeatedly, often misrepresenting himself

In new court filings, Dentsu Aegis — once the financial backer behind Woodstock 50 — has fired back at the festival’s organizers. As of press time, the festival is set to take place in Watkins Glen, New York from August 16th – 18th with the Killers, Dead & Company and Jay-Z headlining.

Last week, Michael Lang, a cofounder of the original Woodstock and the driving force behind the 50th anniversary celebratory event, asked the New York Supreme Court for an injunction against Dentsu, demanding the return of nearly $18 million to its festival bank account and asking a judge to make the company honor its contract. Now Dentsu is claiming it had the right to take over and cancel the festival because of logistical worries and what it describes as Lang’s “misrepresentations, incompetence and contractual breaches.”

In the filing, Dentsu said that its live-events subsidiary, Amplifi Live, had followed the protocol set forth in the contract it had with the festival. It gave notice of what it believed were Lang’s breaches of contract and took “full control” of the festival, saying its correspondences with vendors have been factual and not disparaging. Moreover, the millions it took from the festival bank account, the company claims, were legally theirs. It went on to ask the court to send the matter to mediation and arbitration.

A representative for Lang did not immediately return Rolling Stone’s request for comment.

In the filing’s supporting claims, Dentsu claimed that Lang misrepresented many logistical benchmarks, including the number of people and who could attend Woodstock 50 when they began talks in the spring of 2018. Lang had hoped to bring in 150,000 people, said he’d begun work on getting a mass-gathering permit from New York State and would have a A-list lineup set by December 2018. But by December, the company learned that attendance would likely be 125,000, a number Lang continued to say would be the minimum. The festival’s producing partner, Superfly (which has since exited the fray), then told Amplifi that the venue could support only 75,000 people. Lang refused to accept the truth, according to the filing, and continued to promise to bring in more than 100,000 people.

The reduced number of prospective ticketholders affected the entire budget, according to the filing. Amplifi had earmarked around $25 million on artists to play the festival based on 150,000 ticket buyers. Amplifi later adjusted the number to $16 to $17 million and suggested reducing the festival from a three-stage event to two stages. But despite these recommendations, Lang continued to book artists for a three-stage event and spent, as reported in Lang’s filing last week, around $32 million. In booking the artists, Lang promised Amplifi would pay them, putting the financier in an awkward position and forcing it to pay beyond the budget. The company also claims that Lang offered contracts to artists worth more than $500,000, a number that would require Amplifi to agree to the fee, without its consent. Amplifi also claims that Woodstock 50 failed to book 12 artists by December 2018, securing not even one.

Then, Dentsu’s filing claims, Lang went roughshod over the agreement’s stipulations over expenses, making massive expenditures without the company’s approval. One of these was for a “publicity event” that cost $120,000, including talent.

The paperwork reports that the company decided there were enough breaches of contract that it had the right to exercise its option to cancel the festival. The company notified Lang and his partners of the breaches on April 17th in writing, giving them 10 days to fix them. When Lang did not do that, Amplifi says it took over the festival. It went on to say that Woodstock 50’s allegations of fraud against Amplifi were not true, as it offered no evidence. All this led to Amplifi announcing it was canceling the festival on April 29th. “Amplifi Live did not make this decision lightly but recognized that providing a safe and secure festival at this late date was virtually impossible,” the filing reads.

It added that the festival has yet to obtain a mass-gathering permit, a milestone the fest was supposed to pass by the end of 2018. To get that document, the festival would have to build a bridge and roads, create a traffic plan, obtain land for parking lots, create a drainage system for the water and bring aboard a number of security personnel. Although the festival had a conditional permit on April 22nd, the staff at Watkins Glen refused to sign it because of a lack of planning on the festival’s behalf, according to the filing. Superfly subsequently ended its relationship with Woodstock 50.

“The production company has quit, no permits have been issued, necessary roadwork has not begun, and there is no prospect for sufficient financing,” the filing reads. “As much as the parties might wish it otherwise, the festival contemplated by their agreement cannot happen and allowing it to go forward would only put the public at risk. The injunction sought by W50, even if there were a legal basis for it, cannot change that.”

A hearing on the matter is set to take place in Manhattan Monday afternoon.

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That is so bizarre. You would figure that Lang, who practically invented the rock festival genre, would have all his ducks in a row. Maybe after 50 years Michael Lang still has all his hippie sensibilities in place. Of course his way of doing business hasn't always been successful. From a pure business viewpoint Woodstock '69 lost money. Altamont is self explanatory. Woodstock '99 was a disaster. Much of what this guy touches turns into an unmitigated disaster.

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srossi wrote: By the way, this thread got me itching for a decent festival, but I can’t get away for a real trip this summer. So I decided on a last-minute trip to Philly shortly to see something called the MMR*B*Q. It’s a one-stage mini-festival with 8 bands: Shinedown, Evanescence, The Struts, Joan Jett, Fozzy, Glorious Sons, Bad Wolves, and a local band that won a contest. Pretty good lineup and only cost about $40 plus the hotel. My wife and son will do kid’s things while I’m there on Saturday and then we’ll all do something together on Sunday. I’m looking forward to it.
I’m at this festival today and I’m about 84.5% sure that The Blue Meanie was standing just off-stage for Fozzy’s set. And they killed by the way. Greatly improved from when I last saw them live 5 years ago. 

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WongLee wrote: That is so bizarre. You would figure that Lang, who practically invented the rock festival genre, would have all his ducks in a row. Maybe after 50 years Michael Lang still has all his hippie sensibilities in place. Of course his way of doing business hasn't always been successful. From a pure business viewpoint Woodstock '69 lost money. Altamont is self explanatory. Woodstock '99 was a disaster. Much of what this guy touches turns into an unmitigated disaster. My take is Michael Lang hasn't run a festival with so much outside backing before and hasn't run one with the outside backers having so much say over the budget and capital infusions. Once upon a time, he could come in like a carny promoter, say there'd be these acts, this many fans, and he'd need this much money, and then someone would write a check and he'd set out to put a show together. It isn't 1969, 1994 or 1999 anymore. The money is bigger, the stakes are bigger, and the investors are now hedge funds and venture capitalists who watch every dime and want their return as promised. The days of "putting on a show" are over. Lang is a relic of a bygone era. You can't promote by the seat of your pants anymore.

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Officially cancelled, just 2 days after a new site in Maryland was announced with free admission via a lottery system as a last-gasp effort to go on in 2 weeks. The end came when headliners Dead and Company and Jay-Z backed out, leading to a domino effect of most of the other musical acts canceling too. The final clusterfuck is that all musicians get to keep the upfront money they’ve already been paid. The organizers are imploring them to donate that money to charity. What a disaster. 

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srossi wrote: The end came when headliners Dead and Company and Jay-Z backed out,This is so fucked. I heard Jay and Bob Weir were going to do an acoustic version of Scarlet Begonias with Jay rapping over the middle 38 minutes of the song. Damn......



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