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if the show is going to be 6+ hrs it really needs to start much sooner especially if the target audience is kids.



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There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.



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Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.



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Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

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So is it over finally?



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bpickering wrote: There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.

I thought the finish worked fine.  The whole match looked real and stiff and maybe a bit sloppy in a good way.  Fights are sloppy.  This looked like a fight.  The finish was a bit flukish but also looked cool.  It gives Becky the win but leaves the door open for a rematch and gives Ronda a legit complaint.  I don't think you could've booked it better if it was planned. 



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Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

I got to bed at 1:00 AM and that was watching on TV, and I had to be up at 6:20 AM to take my son to daycare.  If I had gone to MetLife last night I might've gotten to bed at 2:30 AM at the earliest because I imagine it would've taken forever just to get out of the parking lot.  That's a lot to ask of an adult on a Sunday night, much less kids who have to go to school.  I get that WM is a vacation event now and half the crowd was from other places and can go out drinking afterwards and close the bars at 4:00 AM and wake up at noon.  But it would be nice if the locals who have lives can actually enjoy the show too. 

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.

I thought the finish worked fine.  The whole match looked real and stiff and maybe a bit sloppy in a good way.  Fights are sloppy.  This looked like a fight.  The finish was a bit flukish but also looked cool.  It gives Becky the win but leaves the door open for a rematch and gives Ronda a legit complaint.  I don't think you could've booked it better if it was planned. 

Yep Rematch is Money...



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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

I got to bed at 1:00 AM and that was watching on TV, and I had to be up at 6:20 AM to take my son to daycare.  If I had gone to MetLife last night I might've gotten to bed at 2:30 AM at the earliest because I imagine it would've taken forever just to get out of the parking lot.  That's a lot to ask of an adult on a Sunday night, much less kids who have to go to school.  I get that WM is a vacation event now and half the crowd was from other places and can go out drinking afterwards and close the bars at 4:00 AM and wake up at noon.  But it would be nice if the locals who have lives can actually enjoy the show too. 

PWInsider:

There were also issues for fans utilizing public transportation as they left Metlife Stadium after Wrestlemania 35 finally closed well after midnight.    Although NJ Transit promised trains every ten minutes until all fans were taken care of, that's not what happened and there are reports of scores of fans waiting for Ubers in the pouring rain well after Mania ended.  Our own Stu Carapola sent along the following NJ.com article about the issues, with the author noting he waited forever to get a train, that NJ Transit seemed to be unprepared for the show ending so late and that a lengthy line of fans were left waiting in the ring.  

And oh yeah, I wanted to mention that WWE dodged a bullet as the skies opened around 1:00 AM and it POURED for the next few hours.  If that had happened just an hour or two earlier...

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I thought it was the best Wrestlemania in years. The party I attended was a good time. We got a great match in Kofi over Bryan and several good to decent ones. Nothing was irredeemably horrible. The fans were not punished for liking or not liking someone that went against the grain of the WWE's booking. There were some matches in which I wish the winners and losers were swapped, but there were no miscarriages of justice or obvious WTF booking moves. Even Kurt Angle losing, while not a move I'd have made or thought was wise, makes enough sense.

The big problem is the thing now takes far too long. I watched with a group of guys and people were getting impatient as it went along, the highlight being when we determined there were four matches left and then someone reminded everybody that the Elias segment was still to come, leading one guy to moan "Jesus Christ!" in the most frustrated and annoyed tone of voice possible. By the time it was done, we were done. I can't imagine what it must have been like in the stadium.

The live crowd was dead by the last quarter of the show when it should have been peaking. There is probably a snowball's chance in hell, but hopefully the WWE has seen the negative impact on the show and will start to pull back on the number of bouts and the length of the show. I get wanting to include everyone and to give fans their bang for the buck, but it's worth it to hurt some feelings backstage in order to do right by the fans for whom a 7 hours plus show is too much of a good thing.

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Apparently early on there was a serious lighting issue that led to thousands of fans not being able to see the Orton vs. Styles match.  It was still daylight but the lighting director was shining bright lights that not only prevented people from being able to see the ring, but that also was painful to the eyes.  You could hear there was something going on in the crowd and they weren't paying attention to the match.  Orton personally apologized via Twitter to any fans who were affected on behalf of WWE.

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If they're going to go that long, they need to start at like noon or something. I was ready to call it a night when Batista/Triple H started

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I didn't watch last night. What were the highlights? I don't watch the current product but do have WWE Network.

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If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.

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tamalie wrote: If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.Agreed. I just watched this match and it was fantastic. Not a spot monkey fest at all and with a great mix of wrestling and brawling. My biggest complaint on the matches I did watch last night was the completely transparent booking where you definitely knew who was going to win right from the bell. This one however, was a fantastic back and forth battle. Even if Kofi had lost, it would have been completely believable. The in-ring celebration with New Day was heartfelt and not overdone. Daniel Bryan's ring generalship is world class elite level. I hope Kofi enjoys his one day title reign.



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