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Almost 8 hours of wrestling begins now. The Cruiserweight title match is on first in front of a mostly empty stadium. That really sucks but happy for these guys that they’re finally getting a WM match. I saw Tony Nese on the NY indy scene 10 years ago and never would’ve imagined he’d be here now. 

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Nese comes out legit fired up and popped Murphy with a potato on his first shot, busting his eye. That’s one way to start the night.

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I think the card has the potential to be one of the best Manias for years. I just hope the crowd doesn't get so burned out by the length of it that the last matches fall flat.

My unscientific predictions.

Nese over Murphy
Braun wins battle royal
Mandy Rose wins battle royal
Usos retain
Revial retains
Samoa Joe over Rey
Finn over Lashley
Banks and Bayley retain
Roman over Drew
Miz over Shane
Angle over Corbin
Kofi over Bryan
Orton over AJ
Brock over Rollins
Hunter over Batista
Becky over Ronda and Charlotte

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Nese wins the title in less than 10 minutes in really a nothing match, much worse than a typical 205 Live match. Disappointing start to a long night. Both of these guys deserved better, but we knew that before the match even started.

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That match needed to be short so that the “Impractical Jokers” could be interviewed and plug their show. OK.

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Hey everybody.  Hoping for a good night.  Looking forward to this Women's Battle Royal actually.  I like Battle Royals.  Here comes Asuka, she really got demoted on this card.  I feel bad for her.

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Women’s battle royal time. Naomi and Asuka get their own entrances and everyone else walks out together. Man was Asuka screwed.

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It came down to Asuka, Sonya Deville, and Sarah Logan. The typical 2 on 1 story. Asuka eliminates Deville, then Logan eliminates Asuka to apparently win. But Carmella was under the ring and not gone yet. Carmella wins. That was a surprise. Logan would’ve been the more inspired choice. 

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I liked it better when I thought Logan won.

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Franchise wrote: I liked it better when I thought Logan won.
Same 

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The word backstage is that John Cena will be added to the Kurt Angle-Baron Corbin match as the guest referee.

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Raw Tag Team Title time.  Ryder and Hawkins vs. Revival.  I think he said the Hawkins losing streak is 269 or something.

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Ryder's tights look like they almost match the Revival.  If they a team in a 6-man tag it would be perfect.

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I’m not a guy that picks the winners very often but I would bet the house that Hawkins and Ryder win the tag straps and lose them back tomorrow night.

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Superstar wrote: I’m not a guy that picks the winners very often but I would bet the house that Hawkins and Ryder win the tag straps and lose them back tomorrow night. Don’t Ryder and Hawkins have a podcast where they talk about WWE action figures?  They’ll probably go over to get more attention to promote more figures.

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As predicted, Ryder and Hawkins go over and get the Raw belts.  That's how good the Revival are, they just lost to the guy with more losses than Barry Horowitz.

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Or they reenact RR95 and lose them to Black and Richochet tomorrow night on raw.

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That was the first real match of the night and fine if it happened on Raw. Such a missed opportunity to promote the match and the end of the streak properly though.

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I haven't watched any WWE wrestling for about a year and a half. 269 losses in a row is so freakin' ridiculous. They tried for a feel good moment there but it just came off as, ummm..."staged".

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It’s time for the Andre the Giant battle royal. Jost and Che, the Hardy Boyz, and Strowman get their own entrances. So much wasted talent in this one.

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So predictable and worthless. Che and Jost hide under the ring thevwhole match. Strowman eliminates almost everyone. It comes down to The Hardy’s and Strowman and Strowman throws them out after Che and Jost reappear. Strowman then throws them out too. Nothing to see here at all.  God forbid if they used this match to start a push for Andrade or Roode or anyone. 

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Was the outcome ever in doubt? Again, I don't get it.

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We’re two hours into this thing and yet just beginning. The pre-show basically had one real match on it. Now here we go...

I have no idea who Yolanda Adams is but she’s singing America the Beautiful. 

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And another thing. I agree with the guy who ran into the ring and tackled old, poor Bret. Having a woman's match headline Wrestlemania is sacrilege. Loo Thze didn't even allow bitches on the same card.

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Nothing more spectacular than watching four helicopters do a flyover at 30mph.

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Alexa brings out Hogan to get us started.  He does his normal "whatcha gonna do" schtick, and now Heyman is out.  Here comes Lesnar vs. Rollins.

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Alexa Bliss introduces Hulk Hogan to a monster pop.

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Lesnar will be getting on a private plane to head home 45 min from now.  He'll be home before this show is over.

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To me, Lesnar jerking the curtain means for certain he’s doing the job. They want it out of the way so that they can focus on other shit

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Just like that it's over.  Rollins is the face, and he cheats with a low blow to gain an advantage to a huge pop lol.  Three curb stomps to victory after getting beat up all over the place outside the ring for the first 5 minutes.


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AJ Styles vs. Randy Orton is next.

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The Brock match was idiotic. No rhyme or reason to it. I love how Brock steals millions of dollars from Vince year after year.

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A complete non-match. Lesnar beats the shit out of Rollins for 3 minutes on the outside, low blow, 3 curb stomps, and that’s all it took to beat Leanar after all that? I really hope Lesnar is gone from WWE now. His willingness to do anything diminished greatly even in just the past year.

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srossi wrote: A complete non-match. Lesnar beats the shit out of Rollins for 3 minutes on the outside, low blow, 3 curb stomps, and that’s all it took to beat Leanar after all that? I really hope Lesnar is gone from WWE now. His willingness to do anything diminished greatly even in just the past year.

Yep, totally agreed.  Seriously, Lesnar will be home before Wrestle-Marathon is over.

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AJ Styles picks up the victory over Randy Orton after kicking out of an RKO earlier in the match.

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Styles beats Orton in a decent but unspectacular match.

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Lacy Evans walks out just to walk out. Again. The announcers remind us that we’re “in the shadows of NYC” for the millionth time because no one’s ever heard of NJ anyway.

Smackdown Tag title 4-way is up next.

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Here comes the Smackdown Tag Title match
Usos vs. Nakamura/Rusev vs. The Bar vs. Black/Ricochet

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srossi wrote: Lacy Evans walks out just to walk out. Again.
Has anyone figured out what the point of all this is yet?

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I've been switching back and forth between Pornhub and Wrestlemania. Pornhub is winning handily.



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Ricochet and Black get a huge pop. Little reaction for anyone else. Rusev and Nakamura have fallen so far in one year. I remember walking down Bourbon Street last year with at least 1,000 drunk fans randomly chanting “Rusev Day” at 2:00 AM.

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One of my fond memories 15-20 years ago is getting together with buddies to watch PPVs, specifically Mania every year. Used to get together starting with Heat, maybe halfway through the show, watch the 3hr Mania show, order food, a few drinks, be out about 10:15pm Central Time. A decent 3.5 hrs, maybe a bit longer.

How the fuck do people watch an 8-hr show in any form?

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That said, thanks to you guys for posting results!! :)

I'm just saying, do people get together to watch these anymore or just hunker down at home?

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Blazer wrote: I'm just saying, do people get together to watch these anymore or just hunker down at home?
I don't know what else they could possibly do.  No kids can stay up that late with school the next day.  If you aren't home and add on the travel to you buddy's house, that is a late night with work the next day.
I guess college kids can walk back to their dorm rooms, that is, if college kids even watch wrestling now.

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The Usos retain by pinning Sheamus. Good match but a flat finish.

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The Usos retain in the fatal 4-way.

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Hall of Fame video package is shown from last night, and now the class of 2019 is introduced on the stage.  Torrie Wilson stayed in town despite her dad passing away recently.

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Blazer wrote: One of my fond memories 15-20 years ago is getting together with buddies to watch PPVs, specifically Mania every year. Used to get together starting with Heat, maybe halfway through the show, watch the 3hr Mania show, order food, a few drinks, be out about 10:15pm Central Time. A decent 3.5 hrs, maybe a bit longer.

How the fuck do people watch an 8-hr show in any form?

Same for me and my gang in the late 80's, and then sporadically through the 90's. The ECW reunion show is the last one we did it for (the first one). Your night sounded exactly like ours. ...and yeah no way could we do an 8 hour run. Or would we want to. Just a crazy long event. Longer doesn't mean better or more special and I'm not sure anyone ever told Vince et al that...

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Live shot of Times Square as WWE continues to pretend they’re even close to NYC.

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Miz vs. Shane McMahon is next.

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Wrestlers fathers don't have a good track record in the E. Just ask Al Wilson.....oh right, you can't.

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I really worry about Shane. He has not looked good after his last few matches. He’s seemed on the verge of a heart attack. And you know he’ll go all out tonight.

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So far, old man Shane is pummeling Miz and making him look bad. It was to the point where Miz's dad had to save him, and then got his butt kicked too. Now they are fighting out in the crowd, and Shane is still landing a lot, even after the dad beatdown that fueled Miz's comback.

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OMG!!!!! They fell on some pads!!!!!

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Miz winds up suplexing Shane from an elevated camera position down to a lower platform.  Shane kinda lays on top of Miz after the landing, so Shane goes over.  Rematch at Backlash.

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Shane wins after Miz superplexes him off of the caneraman’s platform into a staging area, but Shane lands on top of him. Good brawl all over the building.

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The crowd didn't really pop for the superplex. Shane does look like a walking myocardial infarction.

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WongLee wrote: The crowd didn't really pop for the superplex. Shane does look like a walking myocardial infarction.
My opinion he looked like he was about to have a litter of wombats

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Wonen’s Tag title 4-way is up next. This show desperately needs an epic match on it but I just don’t know where it can come from. Certainly this won’t be it.

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WongLee wrote: The crowd didn't really pop for the superplex.

About a year from now on a WWE Network "24" documentary, they will claim it was actually a huge pop but the sound was sucked out of the top of the open stadium.


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Bret comes out with Nattie and Beth. That’s pretty cool.  No one attacked him this time. 

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Bret Hart makes an appearance at the top of the stage during Natalya and Beth Pheonix's entrance for a pair of high fives.  I wonder if they are going over?

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The Wrestlemania pre-show started 4 hours ago.  Only about 3 hours left lol.

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IIconics go over getting the cover after a top rope glamslam from Beth Pheonix.  They tossed her out and won the titles.

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The Iiconics steal the win after Beth lays out Bayley with a super glam slam but they break up and then steal the pin. OK match. Still nothing sticking out on this show, good or bad.

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Time for Bryan vs. Kingston. This might be our only hope for a MOTY candidate. Give them 25 minutes with no nonsense and let them deliver. But that won’t happen.

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I thought its been a great show so far. Miz vs Shane being the worst. Other than that I enjoyed all the matches.

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So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?

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srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?

Expect Rowan, Big E, and Woods to be involved in this match somehow

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srossi wrote: Bret comes out with Nattie and Beth. That’s pretty cool.  No one attacked him this time. I would bet that Hitman wishes he just spent the weekend watching Pornhub with WongLee.  He would’ve been much happier, and most likely wouldn’t have been tackled, unless he took the last Vicodin in Wong’s bottle.

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Kingston is by far the most over wrestler on the show so far. You can’t hear chants and cheers so well in a stadium environment, but they’re going crazy for him. They got the fans to cheer Kingston and boo Bryan, a rarity in this day and age when the fans react as they’re supposed to. I hope WWE doesn’t fuck it up and gives them what they want for once. 

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srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?
Was R-Truth in the Battle Royal?  How about the one healthy member of Authors of Pain?

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?
Was R-Truth in the Battle Royal?  How about the one healthy member of Authors of Pain?

Nope. Bizarre that Truth wasn’t there but I don’t think so.  Maybe he’s hurt.  Not surprised the one AOP guy wasn’t there though. 

Also Dolph Ziggler, who’s in NYC on his comedy tour but did not wrestle. 

For the record, Luke Harper returned from injury in the battle royal. There’s a strong chance that Sami Zayn and/or Jason Jordan could return tomorrow night. 

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I hope they don't break up New Day tonight.

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?
Was R-Truth in the Battle Royal?  How about the one healthy member of Authors of Pain?

Nope. Bizarre that Truth wasn’t there but I don’t think so.  Maybe he’s hurt.  Not surprised the one AOP guy wasn’t there though. 

Also Dolph Ziggler, who’s in NYC on his comedy tour but did not wrestle. 

For the record, Luke Harper returned from injury in the battle royal. There’s a strong chance that Sami Zayn and/or Jason Jordan could return tomorrow night. 

Also I did not see any male member of Sanity in the battle royal.  Nikki Cross was in the female battle royal.  

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?
Was R-Truth in the Battle Royal?  How about the one healthy member of Authors of Pain?

Nope. Bizarre that Truth wasn’t there but I don’t think so.  Maybe he’s hurt.  Not surprised the one AOP guy wasn’t there though. 

Also Dolph Ziggler, who’s in NYC on his comedy tour but did not wrestle. 

For the record, Luke Harper returned from injury in the battle royal. There’s a strong chance that Sami Zayn and/or Jason Jordan could return tomorrow night. 

Also I did not see any male member of Sanity in the battle royal.  Nikki Cross was in the female battle royal.  

Sanity is basically invisible since being promoted.  Was the one healthy member of the Colons in there?  I saw him make a cameo on Smackdown recently.

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: So who’s not booked on the show to wrestle that is healthy? I have the entire Cruiserweight division except the 2 guys in the title match, Big E, Xavier Woods, Erick Rowan, Kevin Owens, Mojo Rawley, Bray Wyatt. Who else?
Was R-Truth in the Battle Royal?  How about the one healthy member of Authors of Pain?

Nope. Bizarre that Truth wasn’t there but I don’t think so.  Maybe he’s hurt.  Not surprised the one AOP guy wasn’t there though. 

Also Dolph Ziggler, who’s in NYC on his comedy tour but did not wrestle. 

For the record, Luke Harper returned from injury in the battle royal. There’s a strong chance that Sami Zayn and/or Jason Jordan could return tomorrow night. 

Also I did not see any male member of Sanity in the battle royal.  Nikki Cross was in the female battle royal.  

Sanity is basically invisible since being promoted.  Was the one healthy member of the Colons in there?  I saw him make a cameo on Smackdown recently.

Didn’t see him either. 

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Kofi beats Bryan clean in by far the best match so far on the show. Great stuff with an electric crowd.

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Great celebration with Woods weeping like a baby and Kofi’s 2 cute kids hitting the ring. They throw out the hemp belt and unveil a new belt. The crowd chants “You Deserve It”. A real WM moment for a change.

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One of the best post-match celebrations in a long time.  Kofi's kids hit the ring, the normal WWE Title is back, and Big E gives him a present which was new shirts with Kofi and the title on them.
The Bobby Heenan line of the night goes to Corey Graves here:  "If Kofi would have lost, they would have had to send those shirts to a 3rd world country."

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Rey's ankle must be alright.  Here comes the US Title match.  They said it's Rey's first 1-on-1 match at Wrestlemania in 8 years.  Rey Mysterio vs. Samoa Joe.

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We have Joe vs. Misterio next. Misterio injured his knee last week and wasn’t sure he’d be able to wrestle until Friday night. Hopefully he can still have a good match here. This would’ve been a huge dream match on some indy show a decade ago.

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bpickering wrote: I thought its been a great show so far. Miz vs Shane being the worst. Other than that I enjoyed all the matches.Agreed. I’m watching it with my 14 year old nephew and he’s loving it as well..

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Joe chokes him out in seconds. Maybe Misterio really couldn’t wrestle. Wow. So disappointing.

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Samoa Joe beats Rey Mysterio in under a minute in a squash.  Probably done this way because Mysterio is hurt.

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So far the Usos are the only champs to retain. I can’t see them giving the US strap to Rey Rey, and I don’t even know who the IC champ is. But I think the only title match after this is the Women in a 3 way. Would love to see Alexa and Liv in a 3 way but I’d have to go to Wong’s house and hope he could find it on Pornhub. By the way, the pics of Alexa Bliss getting deep dicked are pretty nice if you ask me.

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McIntyre vs. Reigns is next.  

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Boz1515 wrote: Samoa Joe beats Rey Mysterio in under a minute in a squash.  Probably done this way because Mysterio is hurt.
Trump paid off his buddy McMahon to job out Mysterio in quick fashion. That'll show dem Mexicans!

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Between tonight with Kofi and Friday Night with Johnny Gargano. Moments like that is the reason I loved Pro Wrestling for the past 30+ Years.

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I'm watching free, as I wouldn't pay for this. Garbage card so far. Kofi Kingston. A guy who wears corn row pig tails with pink ribbons, a mid card tag wrestler who weighs 165 lbs. defeats one of the greatest wrestlers in the world for your Heavyweight title. Am I the only one who realizes that both Cruiserweights tonight (Neese and Murphy) outweigh Kofi. Yeah, he's a good hand and a good guy, but please. And Seth Rollins sucks. You know the card is bad when Hogan and Shane are highlights!!

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Reigns picks up the victory with the spear after McIntyre dominated the majority of the match.  

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Reigns vs. McIntyre was the epitome of a Raw match that they stuck on WM. Nothing interesting here at all and the wrong guy predictably won. McIntyre really had a chance to be a main eventer 6 months ago.

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The Elias segment was something else.  During the beginning, he was playing guitar in the ring, while simultaneous videos of him playing the drums and piano played at the same time.  If we were all on drugs we would have enjoyed it more.
 
Then the crowd started chanting “ooooh walk with Elias” to the tune of Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes.  So he started playing it on his guitar which was cool.
 
Then he tried to start a song like he normally does, and a video starts with clips of Babe Ruth from like 1927.  All of the sudden thug rapper John Cena comes out to his old theme song in his old hip hop gear, chains, Reebok pumps and all.  He cuts his rapper promo on Elias and the crowd eats it up.  He said he’s turning heel.
 
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Old school Thuganomics Cena is the only tolerable Cena. Very cool segment.

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Jesus H Christ on a stick.......John Cena getting universally cheered by 80,000 people. It’s been close to 14 YEARS since that happened. I said back then that throwback jersey heel Cena is what the fans cheered and if he kept that persona the whole thing would’ve worked. But Vince fucked it up. With Cena not being around very much, why the hell dont they just keep this going. Great re-introduction to what got him over in the first place.

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Lmao.. Batista tripping getting in the ring.

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Batista with a "super entrance," complete with SUV's and and security guards.  Then he tripped over the rope getting into the ring.

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Superstar wrote: Jesus H Christ on a stick.......John Cena getting universally cheered by 80,000 people. It’s been close to 14 YEARS since that happened. I said back then that throwback jersey heel Cena is what the fans cheered and if he kept that persona the whole thing would’ve worked. But Vince fucked it up. With Cena not being around very much, why the hell dont they just keep this going. Great re-introduction to what got him over in the first place.
I guarantee this was a one-off since Cena had nothing else to do on the show. I’d be shocked if this because a regular thing again, but this is absolutely the best way to get him over with the target audience. He even brought back the FU instead of the AA, but they won’t say that on TV. 

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Triple H gets a cool entrance every year no matter what.  This one had an extended video package of a bunch of cars driving in the desert, followed by some strange go cart coming up out of the stage.  He has his hood up and his Skelator mask on.  Shawn Michaels is on guest commentary.

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Boz1515 wrote: Batista with a "super entrance," complete with SUV's and and security guards.  Then he tripped over the rope getting into the ring.
He later made the entrance again with a super exaggerated slo-mo stepping between the ropes and a big smile on his face. That was funny. 

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Batista with a "super entrance," complete with SUV's and and security guards.  Then he tripped over the rope getting into the ring.
He later made the entrance again with a super exaggerated slo-mo stepping between the ropes and a big smile on his face. That was funny. 

Yes it was.  I saw him laughing with the referee right before the camera cut to Hunter's entrance.

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Boz1515 wrote: The Wrestlemania pre-show started 4 hours ago.  Only about 3 hours left lol.
Since this show started, I have taken a nap, changed clothes, drove my son to baseball practice, threw BP to 14 kids for an hour and 15 minutes, drove home, showered, ate dinner, went through the mail, read the Sunday paper, played Monopoly for an hour, read a Chapter of a Star Wars book, watched the 3/21/1987 NWA Pro show on dvd, put kids to bed, and have watched half of the Sox game from this afternoon on dvr.  Leaving a ton of shit out too.  LOL. 

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Blazer wrote: Boz1515 wrote: The Wrestlemania pre-show started 4 hours ago.  Only about 3 hours left lol.
Since this show started, I have taken a nap, changed clothes, drove my son to baseball practice, threw BP to 14 kids for an hour and 15 minutes, drove home, showered, ate dinner, went through the mail, read the Sunday paper, played Monopoly for an hour, read a Chapter of a Star Wars book, watched the 3/21/1987 NWA Pro show on dvd, put kids to bed, and have watched half of the Sox game from this afternoon on dvr.  Leaving a ton of shit out too.  LOL. 

Lol.  Glad I'm not the only one who is throwing batting practice to an entire team twice a week.

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Triple H wins a match that featured almost no wrestling.  Both guys will be sore tomorrow.  Lots of table spots, use of the stairs, and of course sledgehammers.  Ric Flair made an appearance at the finish.

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Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin is next

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HHH beats Batista in a physical match way better than it had any right to be. Ric Flair hands HHH a sledgehammer to help him win and they celebrate together.

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Also noteworthy:
 

Wrestlemania 3: “Bigger, Better, Badder”
 
Wrestlemania 35: “Where everyone’s finisher is absolutely worthless the first time”







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The B-Team plug a Daniel Bryan shirt a Ron Simmons shows up to deliver his “Damn” line.

JBL is out as a guest commentator for Angle vs. Corbin.

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Corbin beats Angle clean in a decent but short match. The fans HATE this.

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srossi wrote: Corbin beats Angle clean in a decent but short match. The fans HATE this.
I had to let the neighbor's dog out and missed the whole thing.  Glad it was a decent match.

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Angle tells the fans to chant “You Suck” as his music plays him out. He hugs his family. This was one of the poorest retirements I can remember since big retirement tours became a thing.  I feel like everyone kept expecting something else to happen and it never did. 

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Next is Demon Balor vs. Bobby Lashley.  Has Demon Balor ever lost in WWE?

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Next up is Lashley vs. Balor. Lashley has Lio Rush with him. Balor brings back The Demon entrance for the first time in a very long time.

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Balor wins the Intercontinental Title in a decent match.  During the match Lashley hit a cool spear through the ropes on Balor while he was on the apron.  Balor won with a powerbomb and his normal finisher.

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Alexa back out to announce an new Metlife attendance record of 82,265.  Then she brings out R-Truth and Carmella for a dance break.

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Bálor wins a short and fairly forgettable match. It seemed rushed like they’re running out of time. They really need to make WM 15 hours next year.

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Still using the long video package for the main event, which may or may not start before Monday morning.

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Superstar wrote: So far the Usos are the only champs to retain. I can’t see them giving the US strap to Rey Rey, and I don’t even know who the IC champ is. But I think the only title match after this is the Women in a 3 way. Would love to see Alexa and Liv in a 3 way but I’d have to go to Wong’s house and hope he could find it on Pornhub. By the way, the pics of Alexa Bliss getting deep dicked are pretty nice if you ask me.
What Alexa pics?

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Charlotte lands in a helicopter like her father once did. That was awesome.

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Joan Jett plays “Bad Reputation”

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Charlotte gets a helicopter. Rousey gets Joan Jett. Becky doesn’t get anything special, not even fireworks when even referees are getting fireworks tonight. Maybe they’re saving it for after she wins? She has to win, right?

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The bell rings at 12:01 ET Monday morning to start the main event.

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srossi wrote: She has to win, right?
She has to win.....even though Triple H absolutely loves Ric Flair....

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That was a fucking awesome and stiff match and whether the shoulder controversy was planned or not, it wound up being the perfect finish. Great main event.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I liked it better when I thought Logan won.
Same 
Sara is fine AND can work. I don't care for Carmella much.

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So does Becky Lynch get credit for winning the titles on April 7 or April 8? Has a title change ever happened the day after an event began before?

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Boz1515 wrote: As predicted, Ryder and Hawkins go over and get the Raw belts.  That's how good the Revival are, they just lost to the guy with more losses than Barry Horowitz.
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WongLee wrote: I haven't watched any WWE wrestling for about a year and a half. 269 losses in a row is so freakin' ridiculous. They tried for a feel good moment there but it just came off as, ummm..."staged".Yes, it most certainly did. Bush league.

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srossi wrote: Live shot of Times Square as WWE continues to pretend they’re even close to NYC.Yeah, hella funny. They're in stinky swamp land.

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Boz1515 wrote: I hope they don't break up New Day tonight.I think they've run their course.

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Main show clocks in at 5 Hours 24 Mins 19 seconds.

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srossi wrote: Kofi beats Bryan clean in by far the best match so far on the show. Great stuff with an electric crowd.I thought the match was average at best considering the talent  involved, let alone highly predictable. You knew damn well as soon as they showed all the babyfaces selling out the monitore, let alone The New Day was allowed at ringside, that the face was going over. I haven't seen predictable dribble like that since Sting at Bash 1990 when he got to have The Steiners, and the rest of the Dudes With Attitudes at ringside, when it was obvious he was gonna beat Flair. Seriously, anybody who thinks there was any drama in that Bryan-Kofi match is nuts. Predictable crap.

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Great show Only really bad matches were Miz vs Shane on the Main show. And the Males Battle royal on the pre game.

Match of the night Kofi vs Bryan. Becky vs Ronda vs Flair a very close 2nd

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Boz1515 wrote: Kurt Angle vs. Baron Corbin is nextBaron Corbin looks like Billy Gorgan. Get it?

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srossi wrote: Charlotte lands in a helicopter like her father once did. That was awesome.Fuck Yeah!!

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srossi wrote: So does Becky Lynch get credit for winning the titles on April 7 or April 8? Has a title change ever happened the day after an event began before?:cool: I think the pin took place before Midnight.

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bpickering wrote: Great show Only really bad matches were Miz vs Shane on the Main show. And the Males Battle royal on the pre game.

Match of the night Kofi vs Bryan. Becky vs Ronda vs Flair a very close 2nd
I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: So does Becky Lynch get credit for winning the titles on April 7 or April 8? Has a title change ever happened the day after an event began before?:cool: I think the pin took place before Midnight.


Match started after midnight Eastern time.

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So am I the only one that noticed that AJ Styles and Randy Orton parodied the Dash Wilder uppercut on the prick who attacked Bret? I can't believed nobody has mentioned it yet. Great spot, Randy gave AJ an uppercut on the ropes, and the crowd started chanting Dash's name. Pretty cool.

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I forgot to mention AJ sold it like he'd been bit in the face with a baseball bat!

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I believe, possibly, that someone was out to sabatoge the woman's main event tonight.By puting the Universal title match in the curtain jerker, jobbing the WWE Champion and arguably the greatest wrestler in the world currently (DB) to a sunken-chest midcarder (sorry Kofi), and not starting the Main Event until after Midnight est (absolutely enexusable!) Is pretty good evidence.

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Meltz says Ronda suffered a broken hand.

The show was also being rebooked as it was on going. Seth and Brock was not supposed to be the opener. Heyman coming out surprised Hogan as it was not in the plans.

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Heenan Fan wrote: I believe, possibly, that someone was out to sabatoge the woman's main event tonight.By puting the Universal title match in the curtain jerker, jobbing the WWE Champion and arguably the greatest wrestler in the world currently (DB) to a sunken-chest midcarder (sorry Kofi), and not starting the Main Event until after Midnight est (absolutely enexusable!) Is pretty good evidence.
You need to put the crack pipe down. 

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I don't mind a 7+ show with the Pre-game added on. I just think there is no reason the show can't start earlier. The early Mania started Early in Afternoon. If I remember right Wrestlemania started at 4pm. The event should be over by 11pm.

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if the show is going to be 6+ hrs it really needs to start much sooner especially if the target audience is kids.

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There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.

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Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.

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Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

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So is it over finally?

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bpickering wrote: There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.

I thought the finish worked fine.  The whole match looked real and stiff and maybe a bit sloppy in a good way.  Fights are sloppy.  This looked like a fight.  The finish was a bit flukish but also looked cool.  It gives Becky the win but leaves the door open for a rematch and gives Ronda a legit complaint.  I don't think you could've booked it better if it was planned. 

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Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

I got to bed at 1:00 AM and that was watching on TV, and I had to be up at 6:20 AM to take my son to daycare.  If I had gone to MetLife last night I might've gotten to bed at 2:30 AM at the earliest because I imagine it would've taken forever just to get out of the parking lot.  That's a lot to ask of an adult on a Sunday night, much less kids who have to go to school.  I get that WM is a vacation event now and half the crowd was from other places and can go out drinking afterwards and close the bars at 4:00 AM and wake up at noon.  But it would be nice if the locals who have lives can actually enjoy the show too. 

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: There are a lot of rumors going around on the finish of the match but Meltzer noted that at one point Rousey was going to lose to Lynch by submission. A lot of people was for the submission but a lot of people were also for Rousey losing by pinfall. In the end, it was decided that a pinfall would be he best direction, not the submission.


The idea behind the pinfall was that Rousey has never submitted in a WWE match. She also never submitted in MMA or judo. There's no word yet on why the finish was switched to a pin, but lots of people internally fought against Rousey losing by submission. It was said to be a split, but people were fighting against the loss by submission. It was speculated that the idea of a wrestler submitting Rousey is a negative compared to a wrestler pinning her. It was also speculated that Vince McMahon could be protecting Rousey for a potential return because then she would have an issue with a fluke pin.

Regarding the rumors on Rousey being upset at the referee botching the finish, Meltzer noted that those are not true. Meltzer added that Rousey was not supposed to get her shoulders up, but for whatever reason they came up at the finish. It was also noted that it was strange that WWE called attention to the shoulder coming up, which could have been a Vince call or something Corey Graves did on his own. The replay showing this could be an indication that it was a call from the production truck. Meltzer also said the only screw-up was that Rousey was supposed to be "really pinned" as opposed to getting defeated with the fluke pin. He added that the finish could cause fans to think Rousey is staying for a rematch, but that's not the current plan as of this week.

Lynch has been announced for tonight's post-WrestleMania RAW and the Barclays Center has Rousey advertised, along with the WWE Events page, but there's no word yet on if Flair will be appearing on the show.

I thought the finish worked fine.  The whole match looked real and stiff and maybe a bit sloppy in a good way.  Fights are sloppy.  This looked like a fight.  The finish was a bit flukish but also looked cool.  It gives Becky the win but leaves the door open for a rematch and gives Ronda a legit complaint.  I don't think you could've booked it better if it was planned. 

Yep Rematch is Money...

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Would be ok going this late if they were running on a Saturday Night, but agree with everyone else.  Sunday night - a show shouldn’t be ending after midnight.  That’s just tone deaf idiocy.
Yeah, I'm really dragging at work today because of that.  Vince screwed Boz.

I got to bed at 1:00 AM and that was watching on TV, and I had to be up at 6:20 AM to take my son to daycare.  If I had gone to MetLife last night I might've gotten to bed at 2:30 AM at the earliest because I imagine it would've taken forever just to get out of the parking lot.  That's a lot to ask of an adult on a Sunday night, much less kids who have to go to school.  I get that WM is a vacation event now and half the crowd was from other places and can go out drinking afterwards and close the bars at 4:00 AM and wake up at noon.  But it would be nice if the locals who have lives can actually enjoy the show too. 

PWInsider:

There were also issues for fans utilizing public transportation as they left Metlife Stadium after Wrestlemania 35 finally closed well after midnight.    Although NJ Transit promised trains every ten minutes until all fans were taken care of, that's not what happened and there are reports of scores of fans waiting for Ubers in the pouring rain well after Mania ended.  Our own Stu Carapola sent along the following NJ.com article about the issues, with the author noting he waited forever to get a train, that NJ Transit seemed to be unprepared for the show ending so late and that a lengthy line of fans were left waiting in the ring.  

And oh yeah, I wanted to mention that WWE dodged a bullet as the skies opened around 1:00 AM and it POURED for the next few hours.  If that had happened just an hour or two earlier...

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I thought it was the best Wrestlemania in years. The party I attended was a good time. We got a great match in Kofi over Bryan and several good to decent ones. Nothing was irredeemably horrible. The fans were not punished for liking or not liking someone that went against the grain of the WWE's booking. There were some matches in which I wish the winners and losers were swapped, but there were no miscarriages of justice or obvious WTF booking moves. Even Kurt Angle losing, while not a move I'd have made or thought was wise, makes enough sense.

The big problem is the thing now takes far too long. I watched with a group of guys and people were getting impatient as it went along, the highlight being when we determined there were four matches left and then someone reminded everybody that the Elias segment was still to come, leading one guy to moan "Jesus Christ!" in the most frustrated and annoyed tone of voice possible. By the time it was done, we were done. I can't imagine what it must have been like in the stadium.

The live crowd was dead by the last quarter of the show when it should have been peaking. There is probably a snowball's chance in hell, but hopefully the WWE has seen the negative impact on the show and will start to pull back on the number of bouts and the length of the show. I get wanting to include everyone and to give fans their bang for the buck, but it's worth it to hurt some feelings backstage in order to do right by the fans for whom a 7 hours plus show is too much of a good thing.

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Apparently early on there was a serious lighting issue that led to thousands of fans not being able to see the Orton vs. Styles match.  It was still daylight but the lighting director was shining bright lights that not only prevented people from being able to see the ring, but that also was painful to the eyes.  You could hear there was something going on in the crowd and they weren't paying attention to the match.  Orton personally apologized via Twitter to any fans who were affected on behalf of WWE.

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If they're going to go that long, they need to start at like noon or something. I was ready to call it a night when Batista/Triple H started

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I didn't watch last night. What were the highlights? I don't watch the current product but do have WWE Network.

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If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.

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tamalie wrote: If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.Agreed. I just watched this match and it was fantastic. Not a spot monkey fest at all and with a great mix of wrestling and brawling. My biggest complaint on the matches I did watch last night was the completely transparent booking where you definitely knew who was going to win right from the bell. This one however, was a fantastic back and forth battle. Even if Kofi had lost, it would have been completely believable. The in-ring celebration with New Day was heartfelt and not overdone. Daniel Bryan's ring generalship is world class elite level. I hope Kofi enjoys his one day title reign.

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pwinsider.com

As we reported earlier today, fans exiting Wrestlemania 35 expecting New Jersey Transit trains to be available as advertised every ten minutes instead found themselves battling long lines, a downpour of rain and insane surge prices for Uber and other car services.

PWInsider.com reader Jaysen Bowman sent the following to PWInsider.com about the situation: "I can confirm that story. I waited nearly 2 hours in line, in the rain, to be boarded all the while staff members were taking pictures of the lines and even made smart ass comments about “good luck getting home before 4 AM. NJ Transit really dropped the ball. Fans were wet and angry and tired."

With NJ Transit getting the brunt of complaints, they have decided to do what often happens in professional wrestling: they turned on their partner and blamed WWE. It was WWE's fault, according to a statement issued to NJ.com earlier today:

"The primary factor contributing to the post-event delays was the WWE’s decision to extend the event to 12:30 a.m., which had significant operational impacts on the evening. NJ Transit was not informed of this decision until late last night," Jim Smith, a spokesman, said. “The decision to extend this event resulted in our inability to operate some of those trains due to federal requirements limiting train crew hours."

Federal regulations prevented New Jersey Transit staff from working overtime so that the advertised, promised trains could run. Instead, three train crews were forced to go home and without them, no additional trains could operate. Instead of trains every 15 minutes, fans were left twisting in the wind (and in this case, rain as well.)

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy commented on the transit issues this morning during a scheduled press conference. When asked about the post-Mania melee, commenting, "At the end of the day, if folks are frustrated, they ought to be. I would have been crazed. It’s completely and utterly ‘dog-ate-my-homework’ unacceptable. We’re fixing it. We’re gonna learn from this. I’ll be damned if it happens again.”

PWInsider reached out to WWE this afternoon about the situation and received the following statement: “We regret any inconveniences fans may have experienced with mass transportation after the event.”

Wrestlemania 35 started at 5 PM and did not go off the air until after midnight, making it one of the longest events in WWE history.

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I don't know what was communicated to NJ Transit, but this event was scheduled on WWE Network to go off at 12:30 AM and they hit that almost on the dot. Every fan and every wrestling media outlet expected a similar end time. I told my wife the day before that it was ending at 12:30 to set her expectations of not seeing me for the forseeable future. Maybe Phil Murphy should have asked a smark for their expert guidance.

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WongLee wrote: tamalie wrote: If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.Agreed. I just watched this match and it was fantastic. Not a spot monkey fest at all and with a great mix of wrestling and brawling. My biggest complaint on the matches I did watch last night was the completely transparent booking where you definitely knew who was going to win right from the bell. This one however, was a fantastic back and forth battle. Even if Kofi had lost, it would have been completely believable. The in-ring celebration with New Day was heartfelt and not overdone. Daniel Bryan's ring generalship is world class elite level. I hope Kofi enjoys his one day title reign.

Bryan can have a 4 star match with Dave Meltzer. He's that good.

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MadFrogVachon wrote: If they're going to go that long, they need to start at like noon or something. I was ready to call it a night when Batista/Triple H startedFuck, I don't watch current product any more but I expected this match to lead into the ladies and their Main Event.  Had I known it was going to be another 100 minutes until said Main Event, I would have just gone to sleep and watched it from my desk this morning like I did the Kofi match and the other stuff I felt like seeing like Heyman walking right through Hogan's celebration.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: WongLee wrote: tamalie wrote: If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.Agreed. I just watched this match and it was fantastic. Not a spot monkey fest at all and with a great mix of wrestling and brawling. My biggest complaint on the matches I did watch last night was the completely transparent booking where you definitely knew who was going to win right from the bell. This one however, was a fantastic back and forth battle. Even if Kofi had lost, it would have been completely believable. The in-ring celebration with New Day was heartfelt and not overdone. Daniel Bryan's ring generalship is world class elite level. I hope Kofi enjoys his one day title reign.

Bryan can have a 4 star match with Dave Meltzer. He's that good.
Other than the times when he gets the shit kicked out of him by guys twice his size, I think *everything* Bryan Danielson is believable.  His offense looks real and his selling is upper level.  He's great on the mic and in every PPV he takes shots that leave welts, bruises, scratches, and scrapes on his clear skin complexion.  And while I am very happy that Kofi broke through the glass ceiling the way I thought he was going to when he feuded with Orton over the IC title an unbelievable TEN YEARS AGO, when I saw him mid-ring I said to myself "damn, he's scrawny".

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You looking too hard at naked dudes...

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It was noted earlier in the thread that the WWE went overboard in the minds of some with showing shots of the NYC skyline and other landmarks. However, I thought it was fine. The HOF and NXT were at Barclays Center. Lots of fans stayed in NYC proper. Plus, the Meadowlands is part of metro New York City and is far closer to midtown Manhattan than the Allstate Arena is to the Loop and Magnificent Mile in the heart of Chicago and there is little noise made when the WWE goes to there and puts over Chicago big time. New York City was part of the atmosphere and theme of the event. To be that close and not promote it would be nuts.

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Next year's WrestleMania preshow will run the entire month of March..
The main show will run April & May.Rumored to be 700 matches, with 50 titles defended.
There will be a 100 man battle Royale as well as two fatal 20 ways.
Yeah ok, I'm tired today. 

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Superstar wrote:

Other than the times when he gets the shit kicked out of him by guys twice his size, I think *everything* Bryan Danielson is believable.  His offense looks real and his selling is upper level.  He's great on the mic and in every PPV he takes shots that leave welts, bruises, scratches, and scrapes on his clear skin complexion.  And while I am very happy that Kofi broke through the glass ceiling the way I thought he was going to when he feuded with Orton over the IC title an unbelievable TEN YEARS AGO, when I saw him mid-ring I said to myself "damn, he's scrawny".
Ok James Earl Ray, so the POC is the "scrawny" one while your precious white man, who is exactly the same size, cuts a strong and powerful presence. I assume your ideal way of taking the title off Kofi would be five guys in white hoods give him a beat down mid-ring, and then Kenny Omega pops the crowd huge by coming into the ring dressed as his new character Office WHITE, and then shoots Kofi in the back while he has his hands up.

You disgust me.

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I haven't watched any WWE for a long while now and only follow what happens by reading the message boards and Meltzer. The girlfriend (who isn't a wrestling fan at all) and myself decided to watch WM last night. I have to say we both really enjoyed the show and were into every match...although I jumped in the shower during the women's tag title match that had Tamina and Nia Jax in it.


Like everyone else, our biggest complaint was the length of the show. It sucked to see how out of it and quiet the crowd was during the last third or so of the show.


It is just too long, no matter what time you start and end it. I really do not like this whole "get everyone on the roster on the show in some way" approach WWE has done for a long while now. WrestleMania is the "Super Bowl" of wrestling....Not everyone in the NFL plays in the super bowl every year and not everyone in the WWE should be on the WM card every year.

WM should just have six or seven matches with the hottest wrestlers in the hottest angles taking part. Jabronis should not be wrestling on this card.

The battle royal should be scraped. It doesn't mean anything. It is just there to get more talent that no body cares about on the big show. I'm not saying to not have any battle royals in the future, if they can find a compelling reason to have one.

Wrestlemania is special, so shouldn't it only have special wrestlers and special matches on it?

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: WongLee wrote: tamalie wrote: If you watch anything from WM35, then watch the Kofi Kingston vs. Daniel Bryan match for the WWE Championship. It was a great match that the fans were totally into.Agreed. I just watched this match and it was fantastic. Not a spot monkey fest at all and with a great mix of wrestling and brawling. My biggest complaint on the matches I did watch last night was the completely transparent booking where you definitely knew who was going to win right from the bell. This one however, was a fantastic back and forth battle. Even if Kofi had lost, it would have been completely believable. The in-ring celebration with New Day was heartfelt and not overdone. Daniel Bryan's ring generalship is world class elite level. I hope Kofi enjoys his one day title reign.

Bryan can have a 4 star match with Dave Meltzer. He's that good.
Only if it were held in Japan..if it were here in the states Meltzer would dock his own match a star..

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Superstar wrote: So far the Usos are the only champs to retain. I can’t see them giving the US strap to Rey Rey, and I don’t even know who the IC champ is. But I think the only title match after this is the Women in a 3 way. Would love to see Alexa and Liv in a 3 way but I’d have to go to Wong’s house and hope he could find it on Pornhub. By the way, the pics of Alexa Bliss getting deep dicked are pretty nice if you ask me.
What Alexa pics?
Yeah that is what i am asking.

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I am trying to watch 'RAW' tonight for the first time in forever.

The show really is awful nowadays. The wrestlers get out in the ring and just read off their scripted lines and basically drag saying absolutely nothing out for minute upon minute. This, "sports entertainment", or whatever it is has no similarity to the "pro wrestling" I grew up loving.

Then they go to commercials and when they come back, they spent a couple minutes recaping the nonsense we just finished watching. And they are so desperate to be "mainstream entertainment" they continuously throw up graphics and bumpers proclaiming that they are the number one trending topic on twitter. Who fucking cares.

Lastly in this rant I have to mention the crowd. They are so cringe to listen to. "You deserve it"...."This is awesome"...UGH...Makes me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan.

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Carpet - you forgot the zoom-in, zoom-out, zoom-in, shaky camera crap.

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The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)?

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WongLee wrote: Superstar wrote:

Other than the times when he gets the shit kicked out of him by guys twice his size, I think *everything* Bryan Danielson is believable.  His offense looks real and his selling is upper level.  He's great on the mic and in every PPV he takes shots that leave welts, bruises, scratches, and scrapes on his clear skin complexion.  And while I am very happy that Kofi broke through the glass ceiling the way I thought he was going to when he feuded with Orton over the IC title an unbelievable TEN YEARS AGO, when I saw him mid-ring I said to myself "damn, he's scrawny".
Ok James Earl Ray, so the POC is the "scrawny" one while your precious white man, who is exactly the same size, cuts a strong and powerful presence. I assume your ideal way of taking the title off Kofi would be five guys in white hoods give him a beat down mid-ring, and then Kenny Omega pops the crowd huge by coming into the ring dressed as his new character Office WHITE, and then shoots Kofi in the back while he has his hands up.

You disgust me.
Daniel Bryan is much heavier than Kofi, and twice the worker. Why would you make this about race? Has nothing to do with that.

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Heenan Fan wrote: WongLee wrote: Superstar wrote:

Other than the times when he gets the shit kicked out of him by guys twice his size, I think *everything* Bryan Danielson is believable.  His offense looks real and his selling is upper level.  He's great on the mic and in every PPV he takes shots that leave welts, bruises, scratches, and scrapes on his clear skin complexion.  And while I am very happy that Kofi broke through the glass ceiling the way I thought he was going to when he feuded with Orton over the IC title an unbelievable TEN YEARS AGO, when I saw him mid-ring I said to myself "damn, he's scrawny".
Ok James Earl Ray, so the POC is the "scrawny" one while your precious white man, who is exactly the same size, cuts a strong and powerful presence. I assume your ideal way of taking the title off Kofi would be five guys in white hoods give him a beat down mid-ring, and then Kenny Omega pops the crowd huge by coming into the ring dressed as his new character Office WHITE, and then shoots Kofi in the back while he has his hands up.

You disgust me.
Daniel Bryan is much heavier than Kofi, and twice the worker. Why would you make this about race? Has nothing to do with that.
Listen George Wallace, Bryan is much heavier because as a white man he makes much more money than Kofi so he can afford proper nutrition. He is twice the worker because Kofi has had only half the opportunities. I find it disturbing that you are denying the Holocaust in your last post.

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The fact that we all deny The Holocaust has nothing to do with my last post, I was just trying to talk Rasslin'. Also, would you happen to know what Ports is doing this weekend, as I plan to make a Ken Viewer post and I need to get a heads up. Thanks in advance.

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Heenan Fan wrote: The fact that we all deny The Holocaust has nothing to do with my last post, I was just trying to talk Rasslin'. Also, would you happen to know what Ports is doing this weekend, as I plan to make a Ken Viewer post and I need to get a heads up. Thanks in advance.I for one am looking forward to the Mike Mazurki vs. Primo Carnera newreel you'll be posting. Ports can always be found in the super secret Facebook group. Thoughts and prayers and thank you for your service :tongue:

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CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!

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Heenan Fan wrote: CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!Supposedly, Marilyn Monroe's best friend was none other than Mazurki. I'm not sure if her and JFK had a threesome with him or not but I do distinctly remember reading that somewhere. I miss those days when you could get a handjob in public and not be harassed by civil service workers.

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Franchise wrote: The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)?
Yes, the idiot technical director Kevin Dunn has made watching the actual matches exhausting. Some wrestler will do some cool move and the camera will cut to some shitty angle two tenths of a second before impact. Half the time you don't even know what fucking happened. It is fucking awful with their live-switching. Then they cut to some extreme zoom-in and it looks so shitty that you think the aspect ratio is screwed up on your TV. LoL WWE is a fucking mess IMHO. :tongue:

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carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)?
Yes, the idiot technical director Kevin Dunn has made watching the actual matches exhausting. Some wrestler will do some cool move and the camera will cut to some shitty angle two tenths of a second before impact. Half the time you don't even know what fucking happened. It is fucking awful with their live-switching. Then they cut to some extreme zoom-in and it looks so shitty that you think the aspect ratio is screwed up on your TV. LoL WWE is a fucking mess IMHO. :tongue:
This has been a pet peeve of mine since 1999!!! Why the he'll would you ALWAYS switch to to a close up on a highspot? Not only is it predictable when you do it every time, but it often exposes the spot! Horrible directing. The hard camera is much better when shooting a PvP highspot!

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WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!Supposedly, Marilyn Monroe's best friend was none other than Mazurki. I'm not sure if her and JFK had a threesome with him or not but I do distinctly remember reading that somewhere. I miss those days when you could get a handjob in public and not be harassed by civil service workers.
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carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)?
Yes, the idiot technical director Kevin Dunn has made watching the actual matches exhausting. Some wrestler will do some cool move and the camera will cut to some shitty angle two tenths of a second before impact. Half the time you don't even know what fucking happened. It is fucking awful with their live-switching. Then they cut to some extreme zoom-in and it looks so shitty that you think the aspect ratio is screwed up on your TV. LoL WWE is a fucking mess IMHO. :tongue:

I like the super slow mo instant replays too, where you see the wrestler floating in the air for 30 seconds and just before impact they speed up the tape x100 to give you a stroke and ensure that you never see anything.

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WongLee wrote: Superstar wrote:

Other than the times when he gets the shit kicked out of him by guys twice his size, I think *everything* Bryan Danielson is believable.  His offense looks real and his selling is upper level.  He's great on the mic and in every PPV he takes shots that leave welts, bruises, scratches, and scrapes on his clear skin complexion.  And while I am very happy that Kofi broke through the glass ceiling the way I thought he was going to when he feuded with Orton over the IC title an unbelievable TEN YEARS AGO, when I saw him mid-ring I said to myself "damn, he's scrawny".
Ok James Earl Ray, so the POC is the "scrawny" one while your precious white man, who is exactly the same size, cuts a strong and powerful presence. I assume your ideal way of taking the title off Kofi would be five guys in white hoods give him a beat down mid-ring, and then Kenny Omega pops the crowd huge by coming into the ring dressed as his new character Office WHITE, and then shoots Kofi in the back while he has his hands up.

You disgust me.I see what you are trying to do here...you are trying to say that I was a card carrying supporter of guys like Dick Murdoch, Killer Karl Kox, and Kerwin White.  What can I say, I also enjoyed Zack Ryder's Wrestlemania ring gear...

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WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!Supposedly, Marilyn Monroe's best friend was none other than Mazurki. I'm not sure if her and JFK had a threesome with him or not but I do distinctly remember reading that somewhere. I miss those days when you could get a handjob in public and not be harassed by civil service workers.
I blame Jack Brisco's death on not being able to get that handjob in public anymore.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)
Yes, the idiot technical director Kevin Dunn has made watching the actual matches exhausting. Some wrestler will do some cool move and the camera will cut to some shitty angle two tenths of a second before impact.

To avoid the fact that there is no impact?

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kargol wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: The camera thing really bothers me; I think I’d probably like the product 20% more if the camera didn’t do all of the zooming. What exactly is the point? Is it supposed to make everything feel devastating (I’m assuming so)
Yes, the idiot technical director Kevin Dunn has made watching the actual matches exhausting. Some wrestler will do some cool move and the camera will cut to some shitty angle two tenths of a second before impact.

To avoid the fact that there is no impact?

If that's a huge problem then maybe they need to teach guys how to work in WWE.  Indies don't do that and no other company ever has either, and unless there's a particular botch I've never noticed this as an issue.  Besides, there often IS an impact, and that's diminished by the directing.  The women were beating the shit out of each other last night and didn't need "help". 

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Heenan Fan wrote: CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!
Brennekar would agree with most of this post.

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srossi wrote:If that's a huge problem then maybe they need to teach guys how to work in WWE.  Indies don't do that and no other company ever has either, and unless there's a particular botch I've never noticed this as an issue.  Besides, there often IS an impact, and that's diminished by the directing.  The women were beating the shit out of each other last night and didn't need "help". 


The problem is the moves.  It's like when Undertaker was doing the tombstone piledriver in the 90s.  He'd protect his opponent so the focus of the filming was on the Undertaker's face, not on the gap between the opponent and the mat.
But in WCW, when Bigelow was using the sitting piledriver, the camerwork did not focus in, so it was obvious that the opponent was not being driven into the mat.

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broke wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: CAC Mike Mazurki boned (made love to) Mary Anne in 1967. The Mary Anne of Gilligan fame. Of course, Mike also jacked off next to Joe E. Ross in public just 2 months later. But because it was considered funny, and it wasnt 2019, it was all good!
Brennekar would agree with most of this post.
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kargol wrote: srossi wrote:If that's a huge problem then maybe they need to teach guys how to work in WWE.  Indies don't do that and no other company ever has either, and unless there's a particular botch I've never noticed this as an issue.  Besides, there often IS an impact, and that's diminished by the directing.  The women were beating the shit out of each other last night and didn't need "help". 


The problem is the moves.  It's like when Undertaker was doing the tombstone piledriver in the 90s.  He'd protect his opponent so the focus of the filming was on the Undertaker's face, not on the gap between the opponent and the mat.
But in WCW, when Bigelow was using the sitting piledriver, the camerwork did not focus in, so it was obvious that the opponent was not being driven into the mat.

And then the other night when 'Taker "Tombstoned" Elias, they showed his whole body.



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