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We have truly reached a new low as a people. Political correctness to this extent has destroyed our very fabric of society.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/us/kate-smith-yankes-flyers-god-bless-america-song-dropped-trnd/index.html


(CNN)For years, baseball's New York Yankees and hockey's Philadelphia Flyers have played singer Kate Smith's famous rendition of "God Bless America" during games.
But those long-time traditions have been halted over allegations that other songs performed by Smith -- one of America's biggest singing stars during the early 20th century -- are racist.Smith is closely tied to the NHL's Philadelphia Flyers because she performed "God Bless America" before Flyers games in the 1970s. A year after her 1986 death, the team erected a statue in her honor outside of its arena.Now the team won't play her version of the song during games and will cover up her statue."We have recently become aware that several songs performed by Kate Smith contain offensive lyrics that do not reflect our values as an organization," the Flyers said in a statement to CNN. "As we continue to look into this serious matter, we are removing Kate Smith's recording of 'God Bless America' from our library and covering up the statue that stands outside of our arena."The Yankees said the team also was no longer playing Smith's iconic 1939 version of the song. It had been a fixture at games since the September 11, 2001, attacks, the team said. It stopped playing it three games into the season, which began April 1. The controversial songsOne of them is her 1931 rendition of "That's Why Darkies Were Born," which has lyrics that read: "Someone had to pick the cotton,Someone had to plant the corn,Someone had to slave and be able to sing,That's why darkies were born"The other is her 1933 recording, "Pickaninny Heaven," which asks "colored children" living in an orphanage to dream about a magical place "great big watermelons."In a statement, the Yankees said they had "been made aware of a recording that had been previously unknown to us and decided to immediately and carefully review this new information. The Yankees take social, racial and cultural insensitivities very seriously. And while no final conclusions have been made, we are erring on the side of sensitivity."Her version of the song has been replaced with other versions.

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How about we just stop playing songs that promote religion and nationalism at sporting events, no matter who sings them?

And how big a pussy do you have to be to get offended by a ‘30s song with a title as ridiculous as “That’s Why Darkies Were Born?” It sounds like a Steel Panther song title. Black people will get through this trauma just fine.  Kate Smith was a white woman born in Virginia in 1907. Oh my God, what a shock she was racist!

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And how was Kate wrong? Someone DID have to pick the cotton, someone DID have to plant the corn. #KATEWASRIGHT

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srossi wrote: How about we just stop playing songs that promote religion and nationalism at sporting events, no matter who sings them?


If you haven't noticed, that's exactly where we're heading.  Hope you enjoy your music being limited to whoever won American Idol a couple years ago. 

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That’s pathetic. I used to get goosebumps when the flyers played it in the playoffs

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Paul Robeson also recorded  Thats Why Darkies Were Born.
Heres Kate with Pickaninny Heaven.




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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: How about we just stop playing songs that promote religion and nationalism at sporting events, no matter who sings them?


If you haven't noticed, that's exactly where we're heading.  Hope you enjoy your music being limited to whoever won American Idol a couple years ago. 

Even if it was a decade ago when American Idol was still relevant, that still would make zero sense. 

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Trying to judge the past based on today’s standards

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beejmi wrote: Trying to judge the past based on today’s standards
It's embarrassing and pathetic. By the standards of things like this every single person that is older than maybe 20 is a racist or a bigot and should be censored based on something they did in their youth, when times were different and the way people were raised was too.
We used to sing some terribly racist sounding songs in grade school, so I suppose my music teachers will be getting their pensions revoked soon. Also I am a bad person because I was told to sing them.
Every generation complains about the generation after it, but this really is a new generational low...for now.

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The Flyers covered the statue of Smith until they decide on what to do next. A fat white woman born in 1907 near the Mason-Dixon line racist? That's like being surprised that Boy George was teh gay.

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khawk wrote: beejmi wrote: Trying to judge the past based on today’s standards
It's embarrassing and pathetic. By the standards of things like this every single person that is older than maybe 20 is a racist or a bigot and should be censored based on something they did in their youth, when times were different and the way people were raised was too.
We used to sing some terribly racist sounding songs in grade school, so I suppose my music teachers will be getting their pensions revoked soon. Also I am a bad person because I was told to sing them.
Every generation complains about the generation after it, but this really is a new generational low...for now.

Between this and the guy who and stop tweeting about things that is the President of the United States, this country is at an all time low. 

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lobo316 wrote: Paul Robeson also recorded  Thats Why Darkies Were Born.

I actually read somewhere today when this came up that it was perfectly fine for Robeson to cover it. They said he was just being ironic. I hope The Donald pushes the button and the world goes up in a nuclear holocaust.

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Here's probably Kate's greatest performance before the 1974 Stanley Cup Final between the Flyers and Bruins. The Spectrum became unhinged. And why shouldn't the Flyers bring her in, there was graphic that said they were 38-3-1 when Kate sang it.



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Honest question about "God Bless America"-- when it's played, are you supposed to remove your hat?

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Honest question about "God Bless America"-- when it's played, are you supposed to remove your hat?
Of course.  And unless you're a commie Muslim you should also remove your pants and wank as hard as you can, but you better not get any on the flag. 

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I personally can't stand the song. Messaging aside, I just think it's a terrible song.

I currently only encounter it on Sundays and special occasions (4th of July and Memorial Day). I don't stand or remove my hat, but it does depend on the environment.

Yet I was curious if something's changed, because I was in Cincinnati for Opening Day, this year, and the PA announcer instructed everybody to stand and remove their hats. I was traveling solo and didn't want to start a ruckus, so I complied. I noticed that all the Reds and Pirates players did so, as well. This struck me as odd.

Big tangent, but the Reds also broke another unofficial baseball tradition, earlier in the day. During their big Opening Day parade throughout downtown, someone had a float commemorating the Reds' World Series championships... and it was playing "We Are Family" on a loop. No team (or fans of a team) not-named-the-Pirates should ever play that song in public. Especially for a World Series reference.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Yet I was curious if something's changed, because I was in Cincinnati for Opening Day, this year, and the PA announcer instructed everybody to stand and remove their hats. I was traveling solo and didn't want to start a ruckus, so I complied. I noticed that all the Reds and Pirates players did so, as well. This struck me as odd.

This has been going on for years at Yankees games.  Everyone always stands and removes their hat or some drunken wannabe Marine will threaten to stab you.

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All sides now go too far with everything. Everyone needs to calm down and worry more about their own lives and less about what some lady was singing 60 to 80 years ago. BTW - she didn't write the songs.

I used to laugh at the far right when they would make claims that eventually George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be shunned because they were slaveowners. That idea doesn't seem so far fetched now.

As most her know, I am half black - my Father. I have always maintained that it is good to know history and understand the mistakes of history so we do not keep repeating them, but you have to live for the now and for the future. This means not obsessing over stupid shit like this.

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Will Cain was hosting First Take on ESPN today and they did a discussion on this. He kept pointing out to Stephen A Smith and Max Kellerman that this is a dangerous precedent if we decide to just base EVERYTHING now off old previous history, as far as stuff like this, because at some point it's going to not be a black white thing but it's going to cover the entire spectrum of offense. He basically said "And I'm talking RECENT history, because there are a lot of heroes on the other side of the fence that were very against gays and gay rights, they're statues will need to come down too" and even mentioned President Obama as one of them. He's right, it's going to get so extreme that all of the sudden the real vocal ones about pulling down and stomping out history will be like "Oh, wait, I didn't mean THAT person..." but too late..

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For the record, I am completely against the actions taken by the Yankees and Flyers.

You do know the Phillies were amazingly racist to Jackie Robinson in 1947? Worse than any other team. That is a fact. Should the Phillies be disbanded? Are we coming to that?

Some old, fat chick sang racially insensitive songs during a period when that tyoe of nonsense was widely promoted. We are now going to remove her from history in 2019? For that?

I can see having a conversation on why those stereotypes were so pervasive. Taking her statue away? WTF??

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If the woman was a racist then I can see why they dropped her singing it.. Have someone else sing it. Its not that important. Its funny how it took this long to figure out she was. I never realized what a racist John Wayne was. I was never big on his movies anyway but now that will always change my view of him. 

When I found out what a racist Dick Murdoch was I looked at him differently. And he didn't try and hide it. Is he in the wwe hall of fame? I have lost track.

Its a complicated issue because times have changed. What used to be acceptable is not anymore. By some anyways. When Trump became president you saw people start flaunting their bigoted views. It didn't go away. Someone came along and just made them openly proud of it. What a time we are in. Racism will never go away sadly. I think everyone knows someone who is. And some are probably friends with someone who is despite it.

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I have looked deeper into this. As it turns out, the songs were actually supposed to be some subtle form of protest. That makes sense given that the activist Paul Robeson was on one of them. There is some completely made up bullshit on-line about Kate Smith now. She followed some avowed racist lady and so on. Just like the right does, the left will make something up, others start to "source it" and pretty soon the actual, bullshit source is about 300 clicks away and people believe it.

This issue is 100% horse shit.

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I hear you but that is a completely different issue.  Apples to oranges.   I met an Eagles trainer in the late 80's at a bar who told me that Randall Cunningham was just another n++ger.  
Now, that guy was a racist.  He is revered in Eagles history btw.  I am sure he said a lot of stuff to a lot of people.  It really doesn't matter now.  
Kate Smith has NOT been proven to be anything other than an overweight singer who traveled far and wide for the U.S. military and had a couple of teams latch onto her.   

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https://www.delcotimes.com/opinion/guest-column-misunderstood-lyrics-lead-to-shaming-of-kate-smith/article_1c187e26-6608-11e9-8b1d-e7259fc00a08.html

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Chances are, she was racist. Chances also are, I don't really care. Like I said, she was born in 1907 in Virginia. If you were born in 1907 in Virginia, you'd be racist too by today's standards. Anyone would. She was a relic of a different time, long before she died. In the '60s she was leading protests against the immorality of rock music. She loved Nixon and Nixon loved her. Together they hated hippies  and anyone who fucked and they liked blowing up commies. She was never a hip or cool or fun person at any stage of her life and she sure isn't 30 years after her death. None of this is the least bit surprising, and nothing has changed about her.  These are not revelations that anyone with Google didn't know last week.  And in another 50 years we'll all be seen as evil too as the times change.  The biggest abolitionists, reformers, and progressives from the 1700s-1900s, the ones who fought the hardest to make this country a better place for blacks long before any of us were born, would all be considered virulently racist by today's standards based on the language they used and some of their personal actions.  And we're surprised that Kate Smith of all people somehow doesn't live up to our standards of today? 

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I take offense to Kate Smith being described as a fat racist.
She was a pleasingly plump woman who just didn't have any friends of color.
I think all the statues that have been taken down or will be taken down to appease nutbars who think their piousness will get them into the Kingdom of Heaven( you're all worm food when you die you silly twats), should be sent to Trump. He can use them all to build his wall.

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Racist statues , racist songs, old racist singers and actors, sports owners , politicians past and present should not be celebrated,   just because it's wrong. I am annoyed by the people that think racism is wrong depending on the situation. Lol  Mel Gibson is a racist piece of.....but people were still happy when they heard there might be a new lethal weapon movie. Lol its a uphill battle. People talk big but a lot dont care. If people generally dont care then.....or they care as long as it doesn't get in the way of their personal enjoyment. Nothing you can really do about it.   Racism is alive and well. A buddy of mine went to a NFL game and the racist language at the game in the stands was crazy. Hate crimes are through the roof, videos online of black people , Muslims, Mexicans being harassed. I have noticed it a lot more since Trump was elected. he sure did awaken something.

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Rossi pretty much nailed it.

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I suspect it's retroactive fat shaming under the guise of virtue signaling.

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broke wrote: I suspect it's retroactive fat shaming under the guise of virtue signaling.Plus they're going under the assumption that Kate identified as a morbidly obese white woman. She may have known from the start that she was "different". #pansexualrights #notcompletelyaracist #Yankeessuck

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I really hate the era that we live in. My kids are fucked, when they have kids who grow up to be teenagers, my kids will end up getting arrested because they loudly told them to do homework instead of asking nicely. Verbal abuse will be a crime punished by imprisonment. Kate Smith is a legend that sung a beautiful song, and because of it mentioning darkies, they won't play her version of God Bless America anymore at baseball games where drug addicts, rapists, gang members, and Rhys Hoskins' ultra-slow HR trot are part of the fabric of the game? Ponderous man, fucking ponderous.

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Why can't I embed videos anymore?  Am I a racist too?

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Bill Maher, Bob Costas, and panel discuss, and even they think it’s gone too far. I hate when Costas makes the same points as me.

https://www.mrctv.org/videos/maher-panel-slam-political-correctness-wake-kate-smith-debate

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Trump was on tv praising Robert E Lee.lol I guess just another misunderstood bigot from a day gone by.lol

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It has gone too far. Clearly. All sides are now officially bat shit crazy right now.

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the latest bigot exposed is Ronald Reagan. a tape of him and Nixon talking has been revealed with Reagan saying horrible things about africans and Nixon laughing. the tape was sealed for years to protect him obviously. Ronnie must have been a buddy of John Wayne. not much has changed in the white house....

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Honest question about "God Bless America"-- when it's played, are you supposed to remove your hat?

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