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 Posted: Mon May 13th, 2019 08:54 am
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Over the years has it ever been said or did the dirt sheets at the time have the inside on what the WWF was going to do if they didn’t lose Warrior, Bulldog, Sid and Hawk? 

Obviously it wasn’t a great time for wrestling but the roster was interesting in 1992 and due to the departures for various reasons looked much different in 93. 

Would Savage and Warrior stayed together as a team? Would the Legion of Doom had another run with the belts? Would Vince have not gone with a youth movement in Bret and kept Flair on top? Would Bulldog have held onto the IC title? What would have Shawn done? 



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I was a sheet reader then. Don't remember much speculation.

I think if you went back and read a 1993 Observer it would be Japan, Mexico and this upstart thing called ECW.

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I always thought it was curious that Vince more or less let Flair go and said he wanted to go younger.  I imagine that would've been the case regardless of the roster.  In fact, the more talent Vince had, the more likely he would've gone that route.  So I think Bret and Shawn were getting those runs no matter what.  Same thing with Savage not long after.  He was relegated to mid-card (by early '94 he was in an awful go-nowhere feud with Crush), then told by Vince that he would only work as an announcer because he was too old.  This is despite the fact that no one else was exactly setting the world on fire.  Vince just wanted to go younger during that period.

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I always thought that Bret and Shawn got their pushes because they weren't roided up, and Flair left because he had an agreement that he could leave if he didn't have a main event spot.

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I took a look at Observers from the 1992-93 range for information. It can be hard to say at times what would and wouldn't have happened.

- The Road Warriors were unhappy campers in 1992, Hawk especially. Had they stuck around it looks like they'd have been just another team in the mix. Right after Hawk quit after Summerslam, Animal stayed and the LOD were supposed to go around the house show circuit with the Nasty Boys. Animal decided to take a Lloyd's of London disability settlement and quit maybe a month later.

- The Ultimate Warrior was facing Ric Flair at the house shows when he and the WWF parted ways ahead of Survivor Series. He and Nailz were next on the house show circuit plans, but Warrior was gone before that could happen and the replacement Undertaker vs. Nailz feud ended because Nailz was soon gone as well. It appeared that Warrior would still have been pushed hard into 1993, but probably wasn't getting the belt back. Instead he would face monster types as a top featured guy. All in all, he and the WWF were in such a bad spot that his departure was inevitable. The only question was when.

- Sid was supposed to feud with Ultimate Warrior coming out of WM8, but got upset over something and walked out on a Boston Garden card. Either Sid was unhappy with the finish of their match or even Sid was unhappy at how bad a worker Warrior was. He and the WWF parted ways and the Warrior vs. Papa Shango feud was a replacement for the Sid angle that died on the vine. Later into 1992, he'd have probably continued to have a pushed spot. He and Undertaker had feuded with Taker as the heel and Sid as babyface, so a reprise of that feud with the roles reversed was highly likely. Sid vs. Savage was another possibility.

- Davey Boy Smith lost the Intercontinental Title to Shawn Michaels several weeks before leaving. Bulldog had been set to feud with Papa Shango and was getting phased down at the time he left, which was one of the issues apart from a PED thing blowing up. Bulldog probably would have been kept protected enough because of his value on overseas tours, but he wanted star treatment because of that status and it was leading to trouble.

- When Vince McMahon came to Ric Flair about no longer using him on top, he even asked Ric to retire and take an office job because he didn't want to use Flair as a main event guy anymore, but also claimed he didn't want to disrespect Flair by using him low on the card. Keep in mind that Flair turned 44 just weeks after leaving the WWF. That was an age that was considered older back then and even though he kept going and going, conventional wisdom was that Flair would be retiring very soon. Flair and the WWF parted on good terms and there people in the office who wanted the WWF to keep him, but Vince was determined to move on and was fine to let Flair go since WCW wanted him on top and that promotion was such a disaster zone at the time that Vince didn't see Flair going there as meaning anything to business there since he was in the WWF and gates didn't do well post WM8 while also figuring Flair was going home for a farewell tour and would retire soon.

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I think Vince has shown that, like most wrestling promoters, he's comfortable with what made money in the past -- witness the 20+ year cycle of crooked commissioners and McMahons on TV. If he didn't have to change due to the heat from the Feds and the bad publicity, he'd have stuck with the muscle-bound cartoons. I think he'd have waited till the heat died down before encouraging the same guys to juice again and go back to the top of the card.



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According to Bret, the original plan for Royal Rumble 93 was for him to face Warrior who was supposed to job clean to the Sharpshooter.



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Bret v Warrior would have been interesting; not sure if it would have been good but it sounds interesting

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DJP wrote: According to Bret, the original plan for Royal Rumble 93 was for him to face Warrior who was supposed to job clean to the Sharpshooter.
That might have been the plan as told to Bret, but that was absolutely never going to happen.



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srossi wrote: DJP wrote: According to Bret, the original plan for Royal Rumble 93 was for him to face Warrior who was supposed to job clean to the Sharpshooter.
That might have been the plan as told to Bret, but that was absolutely never going to happen.


Vince was famous for telling the boys stories that started with "I can see you..." and then some fantastic vision of a possible future. The boys would then take this as Vince's clear, locked in, booking plan and get upset when they were still in the mid-card two years later.

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The Ultimate Warrior arrived in the WWF in the summer of 1987 and stayed until Summerslam '91. He returned at WM8 in April of 1992 and stayed until around November of 1992. He then came back for WM12 in 1996 and departed in July of 1996. In that time, I know of him losing by pinfall two times. The first was at WM5 to Rick Rude with Bobby Heenan holding down Warrior's leg. The other was at the 1991 Royal Rumble when Randy Savage clobbered him with a scepter to set up Sgt. Slaughter's win. He never submitted. Warrior was extremely difficult and had a rocky relationship with Vince. I have a very hard time believing he'd ever do a clean job to Bret, let alone a submission job, even if a heel ran in to clobber him first to set it up. For that matter, I also have never believed Hogan was going to put over Bret at Summerslam '93 and have assumed it would have been Hogan vs. Giant Gonzalez since it was clearly Harvey Whippleman in disguise as the photographer with the exploding flashbulb who cost Hogan the title against Yokozuna. Undertaker was programmed with Mr. Hughes at the time on TV and the house shows. Then Hogan was gone and Taker wound up against Gonzalez at Summerslam.

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