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Principal_Raditch wrote: The US title change in Toronto when Steamboat beat Flair in 1978. Also the Backlund vs Bockwinkel double title match from Toronto also.
Both of those look interesting but I’m waiting for the Shawn v Goldust ladder match from CNE. 

I could be totally wrong but the conspirator in me thinks that the E had the Bret match the entire time and just worked the smart fans and built this up. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the first of many holy grail episodes. They joked about this match a year or so ago with Sean and Charlie with this match written on a box and they tossed it away. 

But to superstars point earlier the E has done the Lords work releasing some of this namely the Last Battle of Atlanta which was truly a holy grail to the traders. 



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victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

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Kriss wrote: victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

In the documentary, I think it was Kassius Ohno or Tyson Kidd who took credit for requesting the match in developmental and getting denied.  One of those two.  That probably happened too, or they were used as a proxy for Cabana.



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There were a lot of great matches at a Maple Leaf Gardens during the NWA years. Bob Backlund defended his title against Ric Flair there in 1979. I doubt the tv cameras were there for every card though or if they always filmed entire cards. And if they did who knows if they were taped over years ago.

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One of cabanas DVDs that he requested matches from the vault made its way out a few years back. Nothing really earth shattering on it but the race backlund msg match was on there and I don't think it was out in full form at that point.



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

In the documentary, I think it was Kassius Ohno or Tyson Kidd who took credit for requesting the match in developmental and getting denied.  One of those two.  That probably happened too, or they were used as a proxy for Cabana.


It was Tyson Kidd. He said he asked for it more than once, but never got it. 

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The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.
If it is widely available, I have not been able to find it.  I do recall seeing video of it on TV from that era.   

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Ultimark wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.
If it is widely available, I have not been able to find it.  I do recall seeing video of it on TV from that era.   

The match never aired, trust me.  Return match and the cage did.  If anything maybe Warner Wolf on New York TV showed highlights.  I've seen part of the untelevised Backlund Zbyszko Garden show that way.

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You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.

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Ultimark wrote: You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.The one where Snuka missed is widely available.  I've never seen the one where Bob got stretchered out.  I can't remember seeing Backlund ever stretchered out.



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Superstar wrote: Ultimark wrote: You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.The one where Snuka missed is widely available.  I've never seen the one where Bob got stretchered out.  I can't remember seeing Backlund ever stretchered out.
I was at this show and it was great theatre. Bobby was left for dead by the Superfly Splash. They gingerly and solemnly put him on the stretcher for that long, long trip back to the nearest ER. Once they got out of the ring, Bobby would have none of it and started flailing away like a man possessed. After much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth, Bob took the trip on his back on that stretcher.



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They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.



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Heenan Fan wrote: They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.That is actually a brilliant idea. Unfortunately, like anything old-timey when it comes to Sports Entertainment, only about 0.5% of their audience would "get it".



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WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.That is actually a brilliant idea. Unfortunately, like anything old-timey when it comes to Sports Entertainment, only about 0.5% of their audience would "get it".

I like it. Someone tweet at Christopher Guest immediately. 



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