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Now that 2 Holy Grails have been released which one did you enjoy more? Which one lived up to the hype? 

I’ll go with the last battle of Atlanta but neither were classics in my opinion but in defense of the Bret match it wasn’t supposed to be where as the Last Battle of Atlanta was the culmination of a series. 

I’m sure it’s just a result of growing up when i did but I really enjoy the commentary style of the 80’s WWF and the camera work. 

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I just watched the documentary on the Network. I think the WWE completely manufactured this story of this being a so called "Holy Grail". I wasn't a prolific tape tarder but I was in it enough to know what was out there and what was wanted. I never heard anyone clamoring for this match. Maybe Glorious Leader beej can give us better insight because he was much deeper in the tape scene than I was.

A true Holy Grail match in my opinion would be something like Sammartino vs. Rogers MSG 1963, Blassie vs. Tolos Los Angeles Coliseum 1971, or Sammartino vs. Morales Shea Stadium 1972. These are matches that haven't been seen in any way, shape, or form. I believe the Lost Battle of Atlanta fell into that category but I could be wrong. All the Magee vs. Hart match turned out to be was a meaningless match to help give Magee experience because they saw potential in him. Magee went over clean, the match was ok. That's it. It was extremely difficult to masturbate to.

Near the end, they interviewed the 2019 Tom Magee. These days, he looks like either one of David Icke's Lizard People or a Stage IV AIDS patient. The man looks horrendous. I also laugh how they brought in "experts" like Kassius Ohno and X-Pac for their scholarly dissertations on the subject matter. All in all the doc wasn't bad but there was a lot of tranny porn I could have watched in that half hour.

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I got into tape trading late in the game but I never heard this match talked about and someone may be able to prove me wrong but I don’t think anyone spoke about this match much or at all around here before that picture was posted a few weeks ago.


The last battle of Atlanta was talks about more than once over at KM and certainly before.

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WongLee wrote: I also laugh how they brought in "experts" like Kassius Ohno and X-Pac for their scholarly dissertations on the subject matter.
Kassius Ohno is legitimately one of the most prolific tape tarders from back in the day.  His library has something obscene like 10,000 VHS tapes in it.  I think he was a good choice to interview.  He was as passionate about the scene as anyone could be.  X-Pac was a more curious choice but he represented himself fine.  Sam Roberts as well, and he agreed with your point that he didn't hear a lot about this match while he was tape trading and it became more of a thing during the digital age.  I would agree with that.  I don't think WWE "manufactured" anything as much as it was something that took on a life of its own in more recent years, as opposed to Sawyer vs. Rich which was a big deal for many years once someone realized that the tape was "lost".

I thought the doc was very good.  I was disappointed that it ended abruptly with the match itself.  I was expecting post-match comments after Bret and Magee got to watch it for the first time.  I'm happy for Magee and I hope this documentary gives him a chance to make some money on the convention circuit, as X-Pac mentioned himself in an interview.  He seems like a good, humble guy who neither let this go to his head nor was bitter and devastated over what could've been. 

The match itself was obviously not much to watch.  It was a semi-typical WWE '80s match involving a great worker and a guy who looked like a million bucks and did a couple of flips that guys his size didn't do back then.  That's about it.  Monsoon and Heenan were on commentary doing their schtick and barely talking about the match, which is understandable because there wasn't much to talk about.  They put over Magee well enough and that was that.  It was hardly an unseen classic that made the TV taping crowd convulse in orgasm at the unexpected gem that they were witnessing.  The crowd got more into it than a typical dark match, which made Bret and Magee think they were getting a Hogan reaction.  If you've seen some of the other dark match Hidden Gems put on WWE Network involving people's debuts (Razor Ramon and others) then guess what, they're right.  Compared to that, it was a Hogan pop.  They won the crowd over as much as possible in that environment.  But it's not something you watch in 2019 and say "Thank God I finally got to see that classic".

Also, how is Harry Smith not in WWE?  He seems to be on WWE TV lately more often than Roman Reigns, and he's signed to MLW.  I feel like as soon as his contract is up, WWE has to give him another shot, right?   

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The only reason anybody made a big deal out of it is because Hitman wanted it released on his DVDs and WWE couldn't find it. Hart said it was one of his best matches because he pulled a decent match out of Magee. Otherwise, nobody really knew anything about this match until the past ten years or so.

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I think X-Pac was in the doc because he was at the TV taping when Magee wrestled DiBiase, so he was giving a fan's perspective. He did talk about expecting to see this guy getting a big push on TV, then forgetting about him.

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I don't care at all about the Bret Hart match. Bret is his own biggest fan so it means more to him than anyone. I saw a match with Magee with Arn Anderson and I don't need to see him ever again. The Buzz/Rich match was a letdown to me. I am sure they had much better matches before this.

The match I saw that definitely lived up to the legend was Steamboat/Youngblood VS Slaughter/Kernodle in the Cage. Its awesome. Watch it if you get the chance.

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Oh by the way, there aren't too many people associated with wrestling that I can't stand as much as I can't stand Sam Roberts.

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I knew nothing about the Hart vs Magee match.

Last Battle was a little letdown, but I still enjoyed it.

One of my Holy Grails just recently had silent clips released from somebody who filmed it from the TV screen......The Valiants vs Rivera & Denucci.

I was holding out hope for a clean copy if this, but I think I was wrong about what remains in the vault.

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In the documentary, I thought Tom Magee came off as a nice, down to earth guy who seemed at peace with not making it big in professional wrestling and genuinely flattered that fans considered this match to be an important part of pro wrestling folklore.

The match and Tom Magee need to be looked at through fall of 1986 eyes, not weathered 2019 eyes. In 1986, the average WWF match was pretty lousy. Guys were already largely on the juice and the roster looked much different physically compared to 1983, but things were still a ways from the freakish looks of 1989.

So here comes Tom Magee. He is muscular. He has great strength. He is ripped and defined to a degree I don't recall anyone in pro wrestling being at that time except for Rick Rude. He can do flips that next to no one in the United States and Canada was doing at the time except Owen Hart and Lanny Poffo who were much smaller guys. He wasn't handsome, but neither was Hulk Hogan, but at least this guy had good hair. Tom Magee was very green, but Bret Hart did a great job of carrying him and making him look decent and certainly full of potential. The idea then was not to get him on TV, but keep him off of it and get him more experience and skill. He wasn't close to the finished article, the holes in his game are evident, but I can absolutely see why Vince was so enthusiastic.

The match was fine, but wasn't spectacular. The aura about it was the idea that people knew it existed, but no one had ever seen it. The unavailability and the hope it might be out there somewhere was what drove interest.

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I didn't think McGee was that bad. He was more suited for the 1960s than the 1980s. He probably needed another 6 mos of training and a manager to do the mic work. He vs AA and vs Dibiase were decent matches.

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Papa Voo wrote:
One of my Holy Grails just recently had silent clips released from somebody who filmed it from the TV screen......The Valiants vs Rivera & Denucci.

I was holding out hope for a clean copy if this, but I think I was wrong about what remains in the vault.
I know which one you mean because I belong to the same FB group. The match was really unwatchable. I mean the concept that you could so anything from that era no matter how lousy is pretty cool but this was just a mess. The same guy also had an even holier grail when he put up Arion turning on Strongbow. Once again though the video quality, no sound, and the black and white TV it was recorded from with a 1970's camera just made it a horrendous experience. I had to laugh at the mod in that group getting all butthurt because he posts a stock publicity picture of Frankie Williams which gets like 80 "likes" and the Valiants title change only got around 15 "likes". Wrestling fans......sheesh.

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WongLee wrote: Papa Voo wrote:
One of my Holy Grails just recently had silent clips released from somebody who filmed it from the TV screen......The Valiants vs Rivera & Denucci.

I was holding out hope for a clean copy if this, but I think I was wrong about what remains in the vault.
I know which one you mean because I belong to the same FB group. The match was really unwatchable. I mean the concept that you could so anything from that era no matter how lousy is pretty cool but this was just a mess. The same guy also had an even holier grail when he put up Arion turning on Strongbow. Once again though the video quality, no sound, and the black and white TV it was recorded from with a 1970's camera just made it a horrendous experience. I had to laugh at the mod in that group getting all butthurt because he posts a stock publicity picture of Frankie Williams which gets like 80 "likes" and the Valiants title change only got around 15 "likes". Wrestling fans......sheesh.

I just hope that someone contributes to that mod's GoFundMe account.  Nothing worse than likes without the contributions to back it, you lazy freeloading wrestling fans.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Papa Voo wrote:
One of my Holy Grails just recently had silent clips released from somebody who filmed it from the TV screen......The Valiants vs Rivera & Denucci.

I was holding out hope for a clean copy if this, but I think I was wrong about what remains in the vault.
I know which one you mean because I belong to the same FB group. The match was really unwatchable. I mean the concept that you could so anything from that era no matter how lousy is pretty cool but this was just a mess. The same guy also had an even holier grail when he put up Arion turning on Strongbow. Once again though the video quality, no sound, and the black and white TV it was recorded from with a 1970's camera just made it a horrendous experience. I had to laugh at the mod in that group getting all butthurt because he posts a stock publicity picture of Frankie Williams which gets like 80 "likes" and the Valiants title change only got around 15 "likes". Wrestling fans......sheesh.

I just hope that someone contributes to that mod's GoFundMe account.  Nothing worse than likes without the contributions to back it, you lazy freeloading wrestling fans.
He's gotta stop nickle and diming the fu*Kers and just start banning because I'm sure there are at least 5000 people on his waiting list to just join the page.

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tamalie wrote: In the documentary, I thought Tom Magee came off as a nice, down to earth guy who seemed at peace with not making it big in professional wrestling and genuinely flattered that fans considered this match to be an important part of pro wrestling folklore.

The match and Tom Magee need to be looked at through fall of 1986 eyes, not weathered 2019 eyes. In 1986, the average WWF match was pretty lousy. Guys were already largely on the juice and the roster looked much different physically compared to 1983, but things were still a ways from the freakish looks of 1989.

So here comes Tom Magee. He is muscular. He has great strength. He is ripped and defined to a degree I don't recall anyone in pro wrestling being at that time except for Rick Rude. He can do flips that next to no one in the United States and Canada was doing at the time except Owen Hart and Lanny Poffo who were much smaller guys. He wasn't handsome, but neither was Hulk Hogan, but at least this guy had good hair. Tom Magee was very green, but Bret Hart did a great job of carrying him and making him look decent and certainly full of potential. The idea then was not to get him on TV, but keep him off of it and get him more experience and skill. He wasn't close to the finished article, the holes in his game are evident, but I can absolutely see why Vince was so enthusiastic.

The match was fine, but wasn't spectacular. The aura about it was the idea that people knew it existed, but no one had ever seen it. The unavailability and the hope it might be out there somewhere was what drove interest.
And this response is what causes me to say that The Network was trying to manufacture something out of a big, fat nothing. You wouldn't even be able to call Magee a footnote in wrestling history. Tiny Lister actually accomplished a whole lot more. So what's the next big doc they'll do, Zeus vs. Les Thornton? They can wake me up when they find something REALLY significant. I consider the Last Battle of Atlanta really significant. I would consider the matches I had mentioned in my earlier post (Rogers vs. Sammartino, Sammartino vs. Morales, Tolos vs. Blassie at the Coliseum) would be HUGE. However, it would only matter to a few of us here and Ken Viewer. Anyway, the doc was well done and proves you can make a mountain out of a mole hill.

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Superstar wrote: Second note - is X-Pac's dog alive?That's exactly what I kept saying to myself. I was half expecting Christopher Moltlsanti to stumble in with a spoon in his hand and apologizing to Pac for sitting on his dog.

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Superstar wrote: Second note - is X-Pac's dog alive?
I'm not sure when X-Pac became a crazy old dog person, but he dragged that poor pooch with him everywhere (strapped to his chest or back in a baby carrier) during WM weekend.  I felt bad for the dog, who clearly would've preferred to have been anywhere else than with wrestling fans.

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Superstar wrote: The only reason anybody made a big deal out of it is because Hitman wanted it released on his DVDs and WWE couldn't find it. Hart said it was one of his best matches because he pulled a decent match out of Magee. Otherwise, nobody really knew anything about this match until the past ten years or so.This whole thing was started by Dave Meltzer on his old eYada net/radio show 19 years ago. Dave hyped the story of the match big time and the legend grew from there.

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WongLee wrote: tamalie wrote: In the documentary, I thought Tom Magee came off as a nice, down to earth guy who seemed at peace with not making it big in professional wrestling and genuinely flattered that fans considered this match to be an important part of pro wrestling folklore.

The match and Tom Magee need to be looked at through fall of 1986 eyes, not weathered 2019 eyes. In 1986, the average WWF match was pretty lousy. Guys were already largely on the juice and the roster looked much different physically compared to 1983, but things were still a ways from the freakish looks of 1989.

So here comes Tom Magee. He is muscular. He has great strength. He is ripped and defined to a degree I don't recall anyone in pro wrestling being at that time except for Rick Rude. He can do flips that next to no one in the United States and Canada was doing at the time except Owen Hart and Lanny Poffo who were much smaller guys. He wasn't handsome, but neither was Hulk Hogan, but at least this guy had good hair. Tom Magee was very green, but Bret Hart did a great job of carrying him and making him look decent and certainly full of potential. The idea then was not to get him on TV, but keep him off of it and get him more experience and skill. He wasn't close to the finished article, the holes in his game are evident, but I can absolutely see why Vince was so enthusiastic.

The match was fine, but wasn't spectacular. The aura about it was the idea that people knew it existed, but no one had ever seen it. The unavailability and the hope it might be out there somewhere was what drove interest.
And this response is what causes me to say that The Network was trying to manufacture something out of a big, fat nothing. You wouldn't even be able to call Magee a footnote in wrestling history. Tiny Lister actually accomplished a whole lot more. So what's the next big doc they'll do, Zeus vs. Les Thornton? They can wake me up when they find something REALLY significant. I consider the Last Battle of Atlanta really significant. I would consider the matches I had mentioned in my earlier post (Rogers vs. Sammartino, Sammartino vs. Morales, Tolos vs. Blassie at the Coliseum) would be HUGE. However, it would only matter to a few of us here and Ken Viewer. Anyway, the doc was well done and proves you can make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I see that to a certain extent, but the legend of the Bret Hart vs. Tom Magee match was something the WWE did little to promote and create. It was out there for years as this thing that happened and no one had seen. I wasn't involved in tape trading circles, but have recollections of people wanting it from the early internet tape trading boards and sites. I think the interest in it compared to the older matches you mentioned is a generational thing. The fans who wanted to see it all saw Bret and are intrigued about there being a new Hogan. Blassie, Bruno, and company belonged to another era. 

Bret mentioned the Magee match in his autobiography and Dave Meltzer wrote about it in the Observer which gave new life to fan interest in the match. The WWE wasn't actively looking for this bout, which it either didn't have at all or had in its archives but not in an accessible form, until it turned up with this lady in Florida who tweeted out that she had it. They got the tape from her, made a quick documentary, and put it out there. This has always been about the wrestling culture and scarcity than anything else. Seeing the match, which will now be available on demand, will demystify it and Tom Magee in a hurry.

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tamalie wrote: This has always been about the wrestling culture and scarcity than anything else. Seeing the match, which will now be available on demand, will demystify it and Tom Magee in a hurry.
I couldn't have said it better. Hopefully they'll continue to pull more old timey WWWF stuff out. Who would have thought that there is a pristine, pro shot, multi camera of Pedro's first MSG defense against Blackjack Mulligan. But as you stated, it's a generational thing. 99.3% of the WWE Universe could care less.

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Oddball stuff turns up on WWE Network all time. They added a full World Class episode from the late 1970s and an episode from the same era from the McGuirk/Watts territory from before Bill broke off to form Mid-South. I think some old WWWF stuff will make its way through the archives, especially content not yet digitized. However, there is no telling what they have and we often get the material in drips when we want a constant flow instead.

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For me the "Holy Grails" would be Bruno vs. Pedro (and I know it was apparently boring). The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher. One that was personal and seemed impossible was WWE Network showing Ric Flair vs. Jack Brisco. Ric's first Baltimore appearance and the first time I saw him wrestle in person. Could not believe that was taped!

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The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be Bruno vs. Pedro (and I know it was apparently boring). The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher. One that was personal and seemed impossible was WWE Network showing Ric Flair vs. Jack Brisco. Ric's first Baltimore appearance and the first time I saw him wrestle in person. Could not believe that was taped!I was stunned to see that Flair vs Brisco, but even more stunned to see the Battle of the Nature Boys.  We all say bad things about WWE but we all owe them a debt of gratitude because if they pulled the plug tomorrow we've all received so much from this network it's not funny.  I really wish they'd go back to what they were doing on 24/7 and put up the rest of Championship Wrestling that they started with in 1977, but considering that they put up All Star, lots of collecting holes were filled.

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WongLee wrote: Papa Voo wrote:
One of my Holy Grails just recently had silent clips released from somebody who filmed it from the TV screen......The Valiants vs Rivera & Denucci.

I was holding out hope for a clean copy if this, but I think I was wrong about what remains in the vault.
I know which one you mean because I belong to the same FB group. The match was really unwatchable. I mean the concept that you could so anything from that era no matter how lousy is pretty cool but this was just a mess. The same guy also had an even holier grail when he put up Arion turning on Strongbow. Once again though the video quality, no sound, and the black and white TV it was recorded from with a 1970's camera just made it a horrendous experience. I had to laugh at the mod in that group getting all butthurt because he posts a stock publicity picture of Frankie Williams which gets like 80 "likes" and the Valiants title change only got around 15 "likes". Wrestling fans......sheesh.


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Both the Arion turn and the title switch of Denucci & Rivera over The Valiants are both near the top of my list.  As you can tell, I was a huge fan of The Valiants.  


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The Valiants are probably exhibit A when it comes to comparing wrestler to worker. The Valiants couldn't wrestle a lick, but they were a great working tag team. They could sell, beg off, get heat, etc. Jimmy and Johnny rarely had a bad match in the 1970's.

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Heenan Fan wrote: The Valiants are probably exhibit A when it comes to comparing wrestler to worker. The Valiants couldn't wrestle a lick, but they were a great working tag team. They could sell, beg off, get heat, etc. Jimmy and Johnny rarely had a bad match in the 1970's.And both of them could talk.  They made you want to see them get their asses kicked.  I wish more tag teams were like that today.

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Superstar wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: The Valiants are probably exhibit A when it comes to comparing wrestler to worker. The Valiants couldn't wrestle a lick, but they were a great working tag team. They could sell, beg off, get heat, etc. Jimmy and Johnny rarely had a bad match in the 1970's.And both of them could talk.  They made you want to see them get their asses kicked.  I wish more tag teams were like that today.Absolutely. I think only Stevens and Patterson were better in that era.

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The US title change in Toronto when Steamboat beat Flair in 1978. Also the Backlund vs Bockwinkel double title match from Toronto also.

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Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: The US title change in Toronto when Steamboat beat Flair in 1978. Also the Backlund vs Bockwinkel double title match from Toronto also.
Both of those look interesting but I’m waiting for the Shawn v Goldust ladder match from CNE. 

I could be totally wrong but the conspirator in me thinks that the E had the Bret match the entire time and just worked the smart fans and built this up. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the first of many holy grail episodes. They joked about this match a year or so ago with Sean and Charlie with this match written on a box and they tossed it away. 

But to superstars point earlier the E has done the Lords work releasing some of this namely the Last Battle of Atlanta which was truly a holy grail to the traders. 

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victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

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Kriss wrote: victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

In the documentary, I think it was Kassius Ohno or Tyson Kidd who took credit for requesting the match in developmental and getting denied.  One of those two.  That probably happened too, or they were used as a proxy for Cabana.

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There were a lot of great matches at a Maple Leaf Gardens during the NWA years. Bob Backlund defended his title against Ric Flair there in 1979. I doubt the tv cameras were there for every card though or if they always filmed entire cards. And if they did who knows if they were taped over years ago.

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One of cabanas DVDs that he requested matches from the vault made its way out a few years back. Nothing really earth shattering on it but the race backlund msg match was on there and I don't think it was out in full form at that point.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: victhestick wrote: Colt Cabana did an episode of his podcast about Bret vs Magee and said how as a WWE employee they could request a copy of any match from their library. He requested this match and his request was denied.

Meltzer talked for about 20 minutes about this yesterday. He said that they managed to not mention himself or Cabana, when they were responsible for the fame of the clip. He wrote an article about it 15 years ago, and Cabana talked about it on his podcast. Cabana used to request all sorts of strange matches when he was in developmental. He's often talked about requesting tapes of midget matches from MSG. His request wasn't denied, they just couldn't find it (remember, what we have just seen on the Network didn't come from the WWE archive). Meltzer also said that he  had a copy, but none of his taped are catalogued and he can't find anything since his wife made him put all his taped in the garage. Meltzer also said that he knew others had this tape, but it never made its way into the tape trading community.

In the documentary, I think it was Kassius Ohno or Tyson Kidd who took credit for requesting the match in developmental and getting denied.  One of those two.  That probably happened too, or they were used as a proxy for Cabana.


It was Tyson Kidd. He said he asked for it more than once, but never got it. 

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The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.
If it is widely available, I have not been able to find it.  I do recall seeing video of it on TV from that era.   

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Ultimark wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: The Doc wrote: For me the "Holy Grails" would be... The Backlund vs. Snuka MSG match where Bob went out on a stretcher..."
I would be surprised if this match isn't widely readily available. I remember watching it on USA Network when it first aired.
If it is widely available, I have not been able to find it.  I do recall seeing video of it on TV from that era.   

The match never aired, trust me.  Return match and the cage did.  If anything maybe Warner Wolf on New York TV showed highlights.  I've seen part of the untelevised Backlund Zbyszko Garden show that way.

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You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.

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Ultimark wrote: You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.The one where Snuka missed is widely available.  I've never seen the one where Bob got stretchered out.  I can't remember seeing Backlund ever stretchered out.

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Superstar wrote: Ultimark wrote: You could be right and my memory is playing thicks on me. Perhaps I am thinking of the one where Snuka missed. I don't know.The one where Snuka missed is widely available.  I've never seen the one where Bob got stretchered out.  I can't remember seeing Backlund ever stretchered out.
I was at this show and it was great theatre. Bobby was left for dead by the Superfly Splash. They gingerly and solemnly put him on the stretcher for that long, long trip back to the nearest ER. Once they got out of the ring, Bobby would have none of it and started flailing away like a man possessed. After much wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth, Bob took the trip on his back on that stretcher.

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They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.

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Heenan Fan wrote: They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.That is actually a brilliant idea. Unfortunately, like anything old-timey when it comes to Sports Entertainment, only about 0.5% of their audience would "get it".

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WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.That is actually a brilliant idea. Unfortunately, like anything old-timey when it comes to Sports Entertainment, only about 0.5% of their audience would "get it".

I like it. Someone tweet at Christopher Guest immediately. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: They should do a mockumentry on the Buddy Rogers and Pat Patterson tournament title wins in Rio Dinero in 1963 and 1980 respectively.That is actually a brilliant idea. Unfortunately, like anything old-timey when it comes to Sports Entertainment, only about 0.5% of their audience would "get it".

I like it. Someone tweet at Christopher Guest immediately. 

Would be a good segment on "Drunk History" depending on who you got drunk to tell the story. :)

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I guess my personal holy grail would be the first card I ever attended October 31, 1982.
Secondly, the NWA had a couple shows in 83 and I believe in 84 at Exhibition stadium, that I don’t even remember. Would love to see those.

Also on a side note, Monty Python and the Holy Grail is my favourite comedy of all time :)

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So what moves to the top of video enthusiasts' lists now? Off the top of my head, I wonder about Backlund vs Bockwinkel from Toronto and July 4, 1982 Omni matches with Backlund vs. Flair Or what about those Thanksgiving tournaments where the Georgia tag belts would be vacated and outside teams would enter delivering some unique bracket pairings?

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Any quality WWWF TV angles from 1970 - 1975

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The natural disasters defeating the Legion of Doom for the tag titles

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I watched WWF syndicated shows from St. Louis, and Larry Matysik would show clips of the house shows. I wonder how much was taped and if it was kept.

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My own grail would be the AWA battle royal from the Rosemont Horizon in November of 1983 with Hogan, Andre, Bockwinkel, High Flyers, Patera and Blackwell, Dr. D, Saito, Baron, Superstar Graham, Otto Wanz....Brunzell won it.

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Blazer wrote: My own grail would be the AWA battle royal from the Rosemont Horizon in November of 1983 with Hogan, Andre, Bockwinkel, High Flyers, Patera and Blackwell, Dr. D, Saito, Baron, Superstar Graham, Otto Wanz....Brunzell won it.
Fucking spoiler alert!! 🙄

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2/11/79 Minneapolis.
Gagne and Brunzell defeat Tsuruta and Tenryu.
I have always been hopeful of film of this coming out at some point. The baba- bockwinkel main event was filmed (silent footage, no sound), so it's not unreasonable to hope the filler got the tag match as well.
Similarly, gagne vs flair film from their early AWA days. I used to trade with a guy that claimed he had this, and I believe he did as he came through with film of gagne vs brunzell before that, which many in the know claimed never happened.
More personal grails than common ones I suppose.

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One Fan Gang wrote: So what moves to the top of video enthusiasts' lists now?  July 4, 1982 Omni matches with Backlund vs. Flair...


That has got to be at or near the top for me....I have wanted to see this match so bad ever since I first learned it happened. I still have that issue of 'The Wrestler' where Backlund is holding Flair upside down by the legs. I remember as a kid trying to play out in my mind how the match happened.

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One Fan Gang wrote: So what moves to the top of video enthusiasts' lists now? Off the top of my head, I wonder about Backlund vs Bockwinkel from Toronto and July 4, 1982 Omni matches with Backlund vs. Flair Or what about those Thanksgiving tournaments where the Georgia tag belts would be vacated and outside teams would enter delivering some unique bracket pairings?
Entire July 4, 1982 GCW vs WWWF card from the Omni

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I would love to see Ricky Steamboat/Jay Youngblood vs Ric Flair/Greg Valentine from February 20 1983 in Greensboro NC. Two of the greatest teams ever. A dream match and likely the only time  they faced off. There is a good chance they have at least some of it. Also on the card was Slaughter/Kernodle vs The Funks.



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