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 Posted: Mon May 27th, 2019 12:55 am
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Rob Feinstein thinks ROH should’ve grown more when they had the chance and thinks the rise of AEW putting on more of a major league product will most hurt them. In some respects this seems almost obvious since someone probably has to suffer when there’s more competition for indy dollars. But maybe not necessarily.  Anyway, thoughts on RF’s Facebook rant (which he insists is not sour grapes)?:

I was talking with someone from AEW today and we both agreed that ROH will suffer the most from this new company over the next year.  It's crazy and I am not saying this because I am bias or anything but ROH has all the money in the world and they did NOTHING over the years to become the next big thing.  They just flatlined and are so content on just clearing new markets for TV instead of going after all the new hot talent.  Yes they had the Bucks and they have countless other great talents like Jay Lethal, Marty Scrull, Dolton Castle etc but they never grew ever to the level they should have been at.  The MSG show was their peek and I fear now for the decline over the next 12 months.  They should have locked down the Lucha Brothers and so many others.  It it were not for New Japan they would be in even more trouble.  I never understood why they never grew and took things to the next level it boggled my mind that they had the market for their niche type of product and they never tried to be the next big thing.  I am not sure if they didn't have the right wrestling people in the office.  Gary Juster is a great promoter don't get me wrong but the office is not wrestling people they are TV people and that's a huge difference.  I am not knocking their business model because they are making money in the markets that they run and have expanded but as far as expanding and signing key talent over the last 24 months they dropped the ball.  Maybe they are content but now more than ever you need to be on top of your game.  MLW has been the most aggressive indy company in ages.  Court has the right idea and he signed up everyone that he could sign and maybe they did not get all the key players but he knows what he is doing. The last 24 hours has been amazing business wise for us too.  When wrestling is hot everyone benefits.   I am not knocking ROH so please do not twist my words around I just never understood with all the money they have in Sinclair why they never expanded nationally with production of all things too.  There was a time when it was cool to be griddy and dark and present a product that looked above indy level wrestling, but than there was a time to rise to the occasion and be a major major player but something went wrong. Yes ROH is not a indy company but it should have a major league feel to them and they don't right now.  The landscape will be very interesting in 2020.



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 Posted: Mon May 27th, 2019 02:34 am
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I like ROH’s current model of 1hr of tv a week with house shows / big shows and PPV’s being streamed on their network. I feel like they create enough in ring content and turn a portion of their roster over often enough to keep it fresh. I like their working relationships with NJPW / NWA and CMLL. I was ready to see Cody, the Bucks, Daniels and Kazarian go as they had all become stale to me.



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Franchise wrote: I like ROH’s current model of 1hr of tv a week with house shows / big shows and PPV’s being streamed on their network. I feel like they create enough in ring content and turn a portion of their roster over often enough to keep it fresh. I like their working relationships with NJPW / NWA and CMLL. I was ready to see Cody, the Bucks, Daniels and Kazarian go as they had all become stale to me.
I agree with all of that. I wonder if there was a missed opportunity to run bigger shows years ago though. 



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 Posted: Mon May 27th, 2019 03:00 am
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I could see that but considering how even WCW couldn’t draw at times I don’t blame ROH for not trying.


I think ROH will be fine if they keep doing what they are doing and mix in a MSG type super show or 2 a year.



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ROH will be fine as long as they have talent. There is zero debt, and for a syndicated network like Sinclair, this is incredibly cheap TV. Rather than expand - what RF is saying they missed out on - I can see them even contract a bit and become more like Lucha Underground and be simply a TV show. They could make the model work, instead of holding PPVs, they could draw a paid audience for TV takings by showing PPV quality matches. This would lead to the two MSG style “Supershows” each year...ones that might sell on PPV and/or a WWE Network model of paid subscriptions. What is 100% fact is that Sinclair has cash reserves and the ability to grow ROH in any way they want. But they are happy making a good profit with what they have. With AEW on TNT, and the potential for the next wrestling boom period, they need to strike now or else they’ll be left behind. They have tons of clearances in areas that WWE doesn’t come to for live shows, maybe they should tape TV in these markets because they already have a fan base that would pay to see their product.



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I don't think ROH grew into what AEW is or wants to become because the ambition to do so wasn't there and I don't think anyone thought it was possible to grow to what AEW is and wants to be, and what AEW will be once it has to run weekly and can't rely on fly in internet fans is up for grabs. TNT agreed to air a promotion that has technically run just one show, two if you count the All In show from Chicago as an AEW card. Who would ever have believed such a thing could happen? I certainly did not and am far from alone.

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tamalie wrote: I don't think ROH grew into what AEW is or wants to become because the ambition to do so wasn't there and I don't think anyone thought it was possible to grow to what AEW is and wants to be, and what AEW will be once it has to run weekly and can't rely on fly in internet fans is up for grabs. TNT agreed to air a promotion that has technically run just one show, two if you count the All In show from Chicago as an AEW card. Who would ever have believed such a thing could happen? I certainly did not and am far from alone.
All In was mostly an ROH show and I wonder if they regret going in on that now. Not that it would’ve mattered. AEW was going to happen either way and ROH got practice in promoting a huge arena ahead of the MSG show so I think both companies got what they needed to out of it.  But AEW used it to immediately leapfrog over ROH in the food chain. 



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What RF is really saying is that ROH should hire more young boys out of chat rooms.



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