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I don't remember much about this segment but I thought the matches they had were some of Hogan's best in the WWF after 1985. I remember seeing a Hogan-Bossman cage match live at a house show that was really strong, and then a few weeks later they had the same exact match with a different finish on SNME, move for move. I knew wrestling was fake but that was a real eye-opener to a kid. Anyway, this was an underrated feud and Bossman is one of the most underrated big men ever. Great worker.

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It was sort of a corny angle, even by 1988 WWF standards, but Hogan vs. Bossman drew big on the road and the matches were great. The cage match we got locally was also like the SNME match including the superplex off the cage. That match along with Savage vs. Bad News in a street fight match drew 10,000 paid and probably another 1,000 in comped tickets to a 15,000 seat arena at a time when WWF attendance was very soft in this market.

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According to Bruce Prichard this was a re-shoot. The first time around Boss Man just left him laying. Vince decided he didn't like it and wanted Hogan to make a comeback. So they taped it again the next day with Hogan chasing him back still handcuffed to the rail.

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Regarding the finish, Rossi may have been the exception here. I had read they went around the horn with the superplex spot, including more than one televised version - i think Boston had the superplex.

My eye-opening moment was reading a PWI story about a Savage Steamboat WM3 return cage match that ended with Savage throwing Steamboat through the door for the finish. I had just seen that exact same ending at the Rosemont Horizon two weeks earlier.

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Blazer wrote: Regarding the finish, Rossi may have been the exception here. I had read they went around the horn with the superplex spot, including more than one televised version - i think Boston had the superplex.

My memory can certainly be off after all these years.  I remember seeing SNME and thinking the match was a move-for-move recreation except they added the superplex spot, and telling my father (who was not at all a fan) this and him saying something like "They're not gonna kill themselves if there aren't cameras there.  See, you don't have to go, just watch it on TV."  Truer words have never been spoken for 2019, but he didn't realize that in 1988 it was still an anomaly for the WWF to have a marquee match on free TV, especially one involving Hogan.

In the last 30 years I may be mis-remembering something.  I'm also curious if the match I saw was at MSG or Nassau Colisseum, I can't remember.  I wonder if they did it at both.

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Tony Schiavone has said the highlight of his career was being able to call the matches with Lord Alfred Hayes at MSG and Boston Garden, both headlined by Hogan vs. Boss Man and televised on MSG Network and NESN respectively, on the same day. I think MSG was matinee and Boston was evening. He said one of them had the superplex spot off the top of the cage and the other didn't.

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Just dug out my disc of the Boston show on 3/18/89. The Boston show is also on YouTube. The MSG show is on Daily Motion. Looks like the MSG matinee show had the superplex off the cage, while the Boston show nightcap did not. I can see Hogan and Bossman saying fuck it...not twice in one day.

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Now the question is- did Rossi go to the Nassau show. I’m guessing they didn’t do the same spot in Nassau as MSG.

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Blazer wrote: Now the question is- did Rossi go to the Nassau show. I’m guessing they didn’t do the same spot in Nassau as MSG.
Most of the shows I went to as a kid were at Nassau, so I'm curious now.

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The New York cage match was at MSG on 3/18/89. Hogan vs. Bossman didn't go to Long Island. That MSG matinee show and the Boston Garden show in the evening both sold out at a time when such a thing was no given for the WWF in those markets, even with a feud that was built up big on TV.

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Loved the Bossman when he came in. Thought the gimmick was good and Ray Traylor played the part so well - he had so much more going for him than when he was Big Bubba Rogers. And I'll agree with Rossi somewhat...Rossi says these were some of Hogan's best matches post '85, I will go a bit further and say "post Orndorff". After Orndorff, virtually every single Hogan match was a carbon copy of the same spots over and over. But with Bossman, they actually did some heavy lifting.

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I think the Hogan/Bossman incident was one of the first big "feud kick-offs" on the Brother Love Show. I was fairly new to markdom, at the time, and couldn't figure out WHY they had started the Brother Love Show (I mean, he was maybe funny at first).

With this angle, I thought: "oh, okay, it's just a dressed-up interview platform". Worked better than the Craig DeGeorge/Mean Gene podium interviews and attacks. With the bonus being the faces had the option of beating up Brother Love; something they couldn't do with DeGeorge or Okerlund.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: I think the Hogan/Bossman incident was one of the first big "feud kick-offs" on the Brother Love Show. I was fairly new to markdom, at the time, and couldn't figure out WHY they had started the Brother Love Show (I mean, he was maybe funny at first).

With this angle, I thought: "oh, okay, it's just a dressed-up interview platform". Worked better than the Craig DeGeorge/Mean Gene podium interviews and attacks. With the bonus being the faces had the option of beating up Brother Love; something they couldn't do with DeGeorge or Okerlund.

This brings up on interesting question:  How many angles  actually happened on Brother Love? Besides Hogan-Boss Man,  which I do think was the very first, what else happened to kick off a feud?

Beefcake calling out "Scary Sherri" and getting a haircut from Macho Man.

Boss Man turning face after finding out DiBiase paid off Slick to get the Million $ Belt back from Jake.

Hogan getting squashed by Earthquake.

Martel blinding Jake with Arrogance.

Anymore?

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-There wasn't really a direct confrontation, but I think the lame feud between Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Dino Bravo was first brought up at the SummerSlam Brother Love Show.

-Another feud that officially started on the show was Bad News Brown choking out Jack Tunney-- claiming Tunney had received "favors" from Miss Elizabeth.

-ZEUS debuted on the Brother Love show. ZEUS!

-Tito Santana attacked Rick Martel, sometime in the summer of 1989 to keep their feud simmering.

-Ditto for the Honky Tonk Man vs. Jimmy Snuka program.

-I think Andre made his first official challenge to the Warrior, around August 1989 on the Show, when he came out as the "Ultimate Giant" (with face paint).

-The Rick Rude/Roddy Piper program kinda' started on the set of Prime Time with the Piper and Heenan verbally sparing. It continued at SummerSlam '89, then got a syndicated TV "official kick-off" when Rude attacked Piper on the Brother Love Show.

-I think the Genius officially announced his manager/partnership with Mr. Perfect on the show.

-The 1990 Royal Rumble Brother Love Show was nothing but a set-up for the Macho Man/Sherri vs. Dusty/Sapphire feud.

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I completely forgot about the Royal Rumble 1990 to set up the Dusty/Sapphire vs  Macho/Sherri feud.

As a follow up to Rude's attack on Piper on the show, Piper did the "Dope on a Rope" thing with BL.

Paul Bearer was introduced as Undertaker's new manager.

The brief Texas Tornado/Ted DiBiase feud also kicked off on Brother Love when Kerry came out to help Dustin Rhodes. That led to DiBiase becoming the special ring announcer for the IC title match between he and Perfect and costing him the belt.

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I forgot the Kerry/DiBiase angle on the Brother Love Show. DiBiase was running down Dustin and Texas, so Kerry ran in, smacked DiBiase, and yelled something like: "I'm from Texas, too!"

I'd mention the WrestleMania V Bro Love Show... but the less about that, the better.

FWIW, Love also did some special house show performances. Some were televised on stuff like MSG. Like a fall 1989 Show, where they stirred up more stuff between Hacksaw and Macho Man for their feud. Notable, because Miss Elizabeth appeared...and at one point Bro Love cornered her in the ring and was excited to "tell (her) all about love."

I don't think anything significant started on these shows, though. It was usually just stuff to keep feuds simmering. I saw one in Denver in March 1989 that was the unofficial return of Roddy Piper.

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Taking Brother Love on the road was a plus for the WWF because he had more heat than all but a few guys on the roster and billing him for an arena more or less was a promise to fans that he was going to take a beating, albeit a mild one.

The last ever edition of The Brother Love Show in the 1988-91 era was Ultimate Warrior building up the "career ending match" with Randy Savage at WM7 by ending Brother Love's career. Warrior destroyed the set, chased Brother Love to ringside, and then hit him with his clothesline, shoulder block, and splash spots. Brother Love did a stretcher job and the gimmick wasn't seen again for many years. The end of Brother Love at this point was because Bruce Prichard had fallen out with Vince McMahon and had major heat on himself in the office with others for reasons I don't recall. He left the WWF for a while after this, spending some time down in Dallas with the GWF in its early stages when Joe Pedicino was running things.

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tamalie wrote: Taking Brother Love on the road was a plus for the WWF because he had more heat than all but a few guys on the roster and billing him for an arena more or less was a promise to fans that he was going to take a beating, albeit a mild one.

The last ever edition of The Brother Love Show in the 1988-91 era was Ultimate Warrior building up the "career ending match" with Randy Savage at WM7 by ending Brother Love's career. Warrior destroyed the set, chased Brother Love to ringside, and then hit him with his clothesline, shoulder block, and splash spots. Brother Love did a stretcher job and the gimmick wasn't seen again for many years. The end of Brother Love at this point was because Bruce Prichard had fallen out with Vince McMahon and had major heat on himself in the office with others for reasons I don't recall. He left the WWF for a while after this, spending some time down in Dallas with the GWF in its early stages when Joe Pedicino was running things.
I remember that one well. Warrior said he was going to "start ending careers, right now" and launched into attack mode. I had hoped that Piper's return, about two years earlier, would signal the end of the Brother Love Show and return of Piper's Pit. Mildly similar to the Piper's Pit vs. Flower Shop thing. When Piper did the "dope on a rope" segment, I thought that may have been the end of the Brother Love Show. Nope--- more than a year to go.

Honestly, I thought Brother Love sounded funny...at first.  Heenan cut a promo, the week before, about this amazing new guy who was coming to the WWF. Then in his first-ever televised segment, Love rambled on and on and on (and on) about "luuuuvvvv". So when the Bossman attack happened, it finally gave the segment some significance.
Also helped that the Brother Love Show had moved to "Superstars" from "Challenge" around that time. Maybe with the post-SummerSlam "fall season"?



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