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Would have liked to have seen Roddy Piper in this role at some point.

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I always saw the Horsemen as Flair, a tag team with Arn Anderson as one half, plus an upper-midcard singles guy who isn't going to want Flair's title. I know this wasn't always the formula, but this is when it worked best. For me, Piper was too close to Flair, and it wouldn't have made sense for him to play second fiddle to Flair. The Horsemen don't work with internal rivalries.

The thing here is that Flair, Windham, Arn and Tully with JJ were pretty close to wrestling perfection, which makes this a difficult question to answer. You can't swap out Flair or Arn. Tully was Arn's best tag partner, which only leaves that fourth spot open, and I can't imagine anyone being better in that spot than Windham.

If you are talking about the lesser 90s Horsemen, Flair, Malenko and Benoit with Arn as the manager were a good fit. They never filled that last spot properly. I really can't think of someone perfect.. Scott Norton?

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Piper doesn't fit the ideal of a Horseman at all IMO. Sid didn't either. You need someone who looks good in a suit, is well-spoken and delivers understated promos but with a mean streak, mid-carder that isn't a threat to Flair, good in tag team situations.

I think Steven Regal might have been good. If they broke up the Midnight Express I could've seen Stan Lane in the group. A young Ted DiBiase would've been great but the timing was never close on that one.

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I think Greg Valentine would have been a good fit. Greg said he almost left the Wwf in 1987/1988 for the NWA. He had talks with them but Vince convinced him to stay. He said he regrets not going because he didnt like his last few years there after they split him and Beefcake. He had great history with Flair so it makes sense.

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Spatulapup wrote: I think Greg Valentine would have been a good fit. Greg said he almost left the Wwf in 1987/1988 for the NWA. He had talks with them but Vince convinced him to stay. He said he regrets not going because he didnt like his last few years there after they split him and Beefcake. He had great history with Flair so it makes sense.
I think that's a good choice and I could also see him and Arn making a great team.

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Maybe Mr. Wonderful?

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Gino Hernandez. Would have been perfect because he would have been the guy that breaks off and becomes Flair's biggest drawing opponent.

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Ted DiBiase?

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Valentine would have been the perfect fit and one I wouldn't have thought of before it was mentioned. He wouldn't need mike time but was good in the ring. The perfect tag partner for Arn.

I don't agree on Gino. Too close to Flair in attitude and style on the mic.

Ted Dibiase, pre Million Dollar Man would have been an interesting fit. By that point, he had been both a heel and face at a high level. Great in ring skill but wouldn't have stepped on Flair.

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nyhack56 wrote: Ted DiBiase?Great minds!  I was typing mine when you posted this. 

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I think the number of guys who could have worked as members of the Four Horsemen is pretty low. I like Ted DiBiase at any point in the group's history and also think Curt Hennig would have been great from late 1986 to the spring of 1987 onward. Either of them could have been the second singles wrestler behind Flair with Tully and Arn teaming or teaming with either Tully or Arn. Gino Hernandez would also have fit in had he not died.

For Greg Valentine to work as a Horseman, he would have needed to leave the WWF as soon as he and Brutus Beefcake lost the tag team belts. After that he was just another midcarder and no push would or could erase that. Him coming in to take Luger's place in late 1987 or early 1988 would have been a terrible idea.

Roddy Piper was not a Horseman. Not that he'd have left the WWF at that point anyway, but his hyperactive heel persona didn't fit in with this group.

Paul Orndorff was a great heel, but never seemed like a Horseman to me although I can't quite put my finger on why that was.

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Gino and Tully had the same Gimmick so I don't think Gino would of fit well.

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Tully and Gino made a good team in Southwest. Both were arrogant heels, but Tully had a prick heel thing going that Gino didn't quite do the same. They were compatible rather than redundant.

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If they could have trusted him to do stuff like turn up, Billy Jack Haynes. In the Tully role.

Obvious one is Flair's trainee Stan Lane alongside Arn Anderson. That could have been booked up ultimately into a Flair v Lane feud.

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Maybe Stan Lane.

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I think a aging 87/88 era Ken Patera would have been pretty cool for a year or so. He was past his prime so he wouldn’t be a threat to be an eventual challenger to Flair but he was still a beast. He previously had a good run in JCP and had an air about him. Plus I think working with more athletic workers would have made him look better.


A juiced to the gills Don Muraco would have been cool as well. Mother fucker was so cool he was just there to kick ass, get paid and surf.

Dibiase and Henning both would have been good fits

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Stan Lane could have been a good Horseman.

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Franchise wrote: I think a aging 87/88 era Ken Patera would have been pretty cool for a year or so. He was past his prime so he wouldn’t be a threat to be an eventual challenger to Flair but he was still a beast. He previously had a good run in JCP and had an air about him. Plus I think working with more athletic workers would have made him look better.


A juiced to the gills Don Muraco would have been cool as well. Mother fucker was so cool he was just there to kick ass, get paid and surf.

Dibiase and Henning both would have been good fitsMuraco going back to the NWA around Wrestlemania 3 would have been money I think.  He didn't yet have the stink on him of sinking down the card, looked a helluva lot better than Valentine at this time, and could actually talk well enough to be the leader of a faction.  Usually the fourth Horseman after Ole left wasn't the best talker - even BW wasn't the best.  I think Patera would only work if they used him as "silent but deadly" and use his prison time as the basis for being in the Horsemen.  JJ is tired of dealing with Dusty throwing things in their way so they went to the most miserable prison in the world and paid a lot of money to get Patera out early, etc.  It would have worked, but not as well in my opinion as Muraco and a bunch of the others.
I still say Gino Hernandez was perfect.  Reason being, if he came to JCP to be a Horseman, he would talk a bit in his role, but he was smart enough to NOT be Flair if they told him not to be Flair.  Then - as time goes on and they sleight Gino, Gino could let his persona blossom as he went after Flair as a "Lone Wolf" type.  And as JCP brought the UWF under his umbrella, all of a sudden here comes Chris Adams to the aid of his old partner after they settled their blood feud in World Class.

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How about a heel Terry Taylor?

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nyhack56 wrote: How about a heel Terry Taylor?
To play the Tully role?

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I don't see Don Muraco as a Horseman at all.

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Curt Hennig after leaving the AWA, but I'd miss Mr Perfect.

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tamalie wrote: I don't see Don Muraco as a Horseman at all.

Same here. 
I agree with Valentine, Lane, and DiBiasi. How about Jimmy Garvin? He had Precious with him and could have had a great feud with his brother.

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tamalie wrote: I don't see Don Muraco as a Horseman at all.He’s the “hired muscle”, like a Luger or Sid type.  And he had a history in Georgia.  And he could talk.  

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Shultz or Shults (CM correction)

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Papa Voo wrote: Shultz or Shults (CM correction)My only problem with this?  He was way too redneck and not the suit and tie type.  But for intensity and ability?  Absolutely 

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I think he could have made it work. Arn was not a flashy suit & tie guy. I think his redneck image and volatile personality would have been a good contrast to the others. You would not want them to mirror each other.  Shultz would fit the mercenary type of role for the Horsemen.  


He definitely would need to dial it back a little during random promos, but let him go buck ass crazy to hype up an angle or match.

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Superstar wrote: tamalie wrote: I don't see Don Muraco as a Horseman at all.He’s the “hired muscle”, like a Luger or Sid type.  And he had a history in Georgia.  And he could talk.

For the hired muscle type...Kevin Nash.

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Good call on dr d; they should have brought him in as #4 in 87 and had him kick Ole and Tim horner’s ass.

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"Stunning" Steve Austin and Larry Zbyszko

Flair as the leader with Arn and Larry as the tags and Austin is the U.S. or TV champ role. This is circa 1991-92 obviously.

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martini wrote: "Stunning" Steve Austin and Larry Zbyszko

Flair as the leader with Arn and Larry as the tags and Austin is the U.S. or TV champ role. This is circa 1991-92 obviously.


Cross promotion version 

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Larry teamed with the Horsemen in one of the War Games (I believe '91). That's not a bad fit.

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My first three choices were already mentioned: Greg Valentine, Terry Taylor (pre-1988) and Gino Hernandez.

Right before Ric Flair was off TV in 1998, there were rumors that they were considering re-forming the group with Flair, Arn, Luger and Goldberg. Although, maybe Benoit was in there, with Arn as the manager. I don't think it ever went beyond rumors and fan speculation, though.

A new name I'll throw into the pile: whattabout Austin Idol in the 80's? He had some similarities to Flair, so he would've needed to change his character a bit. Maybe in the slot Tully Blanchard had.

Bob Orton, Jr. might've been another fit as an 80's Horseman.

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Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!




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Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Pearls of wisdom.

Pearls of wisdom.

We need some more corny wrestling jokes.  

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Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Are you drunk?
Please stop.

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Blazer wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Are you drunk?
Please stop.
Please explain?

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Papa Voo wrote: YeapShut up, dipshit. He wasn't talking to you.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Papa Voo wrote: YeapShut up, dipshit. He wasn't talking to you.

Come on comedian.
Bring some humor to the board. 
We will give you a little attention. 
Get up on the table and dance. We will applaud.  
We promise. 

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Yep. My only contributions to S & W is comedy. I never contribute to wrestling or sports?!


Vapor Poo obviously has a hard on for Heenan Fan ?!

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Gawd, you really do want to be recognized as the board comedian.  I was joking at first but now see that it is true. 


Well, who remembers this one:

Anybody notice that Papa Voo can make all these posts, despite the fact he hasn't been logged in all night? #S&W (Scumbag Liars & Worthless Trash)“

Now that was hilarious, because you let yourself be yourself.   Do you get drunk, bang on the keyboard and then seek out wrestling boards because you feel unwanted, or do you feel weak, hollow and lonely then swill a few beers and then hop on the net to become one of the guys on the wrestling internet boards?

I am just curious how this works with you?

Your contributions are just swell.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Yep. My only contributions to S & W is comedy. I never contribute to wrestling or sports?!


Vapor Poo obviously has a hard on for Heenan Fan ?!


Uh-oh another person who speaks in third-person.  So far, you are not nearly as humorous oldskoolnwafan.  Give it another try. 

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Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.

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BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.

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Blazer wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Are you drunk?
Please stop.

Um, yeah, not sure what happened last night but I'm just glad I didn't come into work this morning to find dog porn this time. As far as S&W meltdowns go, they just don't make 'em like they used to in the good old days though.

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Are you drunk?
Please stop.

Um, yeah, not sure what happened last night but I'm just glad I didn't come into work this morning to find dog porn this time. As far as S&W meltdowns go, they just don't make 'em like they used to in the good old days though.


Yesssss! 

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Papa Voo wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Nearly 4 pages in and nobody has mentioned the definitive #1 - 

Bobby F'N Heenan?! Bobby in the player/coach role.

Gino Hernandez - Would of fit in perfect, Flair could of turned him face in a big money program.

Curt Henning - Was never officially a Horseman, but should of been.

Ted DiBiase - Ted was so good, he literally could of played any of the 4 roles.

Shawn Michaels - It would of been cool seeing Shawn turn on Marty and becoming the 4th Horseman in 1988.

The Rock - (out of time frame of course) Would of been the perfect guy to play the "Luger role", i.e. the guy who turns face and feuds with Flair.

Ray "The Crippler" Stevens - As Executive Officer Of Western States Heritage Opperations.


NO!

Terry Taylor - Midcarder at best.

Stan Lane - My daughter could kick Stan Lane's ass!

Greg Valentine - Would of been good pre 1987.

Eddie Gilbert - Too much baggage.

Michael Hayes - Better and more valuable to the Freebirds.

Rick Rude - Not a bad choice, but better as a single.

David Shultz - Dave doesn't fit in at all. Whoever said Shultz is an obvious dumbshit!






Are you drunk?
Please stop.

Um, yeah, not sure what happened last night but I'm just glad I didn't come into work this morning to find dog porn this time. As far as S&W meltdowns go, they just don't make 'em like they used to in the good old days though.


Yesssss! 


This is a pretty shitty vortex too 😐

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Superstar wrote: tamalie wrote: I don't see Don Muraco as a Horseman at all.He’s the “hired muscle”, like a Luger or Sid type.  And he had a history in Georgia.  And he could talk.  
My thoughts exactly.  With his natural arrogance he fits the Horseman mold much better than Luger.  Great interviews and a ruthlessness that would have fit hand in glove with the others.  Going from the slovenly Albano to the suave Dillon would have been jarring but I think he makes it work.

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By 1985, Don Muraco had a slob beach bum gimmick going in the WWF and was quite overweight compared to his prime just a few years beforehand. He also often came off like a clown by eating donuts during interviews and so on. We remember that with Albano in 1983 before the expansion, but he did it a bit in 1985 and 1986. Once he got jacked to the gills in the back half of 1987 and into 1988, he had the midcard for life tag on him and it's hard for me to see how he wouldn't have looked like a huge step down for the Horsemen had he taken the spot Luger vacated. That his mainstream career pretty much ended once he left the WWF in the fall of 1988 seems to validate this.

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Hacksaw Butch Reed as the 4th man with Flair, Arn, and Tully would have been great, IMHO.

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Giant Baba, all 7 feet in nice threads and smoking a cigar like the company boss he was, brought in to be a towering presence on promos and interfere in matches with his huge hands chopping or clawing a rival. Meanwhile his limited runs as a Japanese associate hides his scouting of talent to come over for future All Japan tours.

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Giant baba is in only if he has a cigar in his mouth on tv.
Flair Arn Tully Muraco 
With baba and Dillon; book it 

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Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

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khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

As the manager maybe, but not as a member. Bockwinkel basically was Flair. Neither would play second fiddle to the other. 

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srossi wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

As the manager maybe, but not as a member. Bockwinkel basically was Flair. Neither would play second fiddle to the other. 
You don't consider JJ a member of the group? He would be in JJ's role.Plus he could wrestle better and make the matches that JJ went in more credible in terms of the outcome.

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

As the manager maybe, but not as a member. Bockwinkel basically was Flair. Neither would play second fiddle to the other. 
You don't consider JJ a member of the group? He would be in JJ's role.Plus he could wrestle better and make the matches that JJ went in more credible in terms of the outcome.

If JJ was a member they’d be the Five Horsemen. I only like Bock in the role after he retired and around the time he was doing his WCW Commissioner stuff. While still an active competitor I see him and Flair as too similar and both main eventers. 

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srossi wrote: khawk wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

As the manager maybe, but not as a member. Bockwinkel basically was Flair. Neither would play second fiddle to the other. 
You don't consider JJ a member of the group? He would be in JJ's role.Plus he could wrestle better and make the matches that JJ went in more credible in terms of the outcome.

If JJ was a member they’d be the Five Horsemen. I only like Bock in the role after he retired and around the time he was doing his WCW Commissioner stuff. While still an active competitor I see him and Flair as too similar and both main eventers. 
That's the point.  Bockwinkel in JJ's role not only makes the "manager" more credible in that he can actually defend himself well (actually JJ could have done this but was content being the guy that took the beatdown for the group when needed), but also the fact that in time Bockwinkel could turn on Flair and the group based on virtually anything - greed, jealousy, or Flair just talking about somebody like Terry Funk being too old to challenge for the belt.  Bock could take the age thing to heart and spend a year selling out houses doing broadway's with Flair.  Bock could get a Dusty run with the belt too, for like a month, to set up a blowoff at Starrcade or something.

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: Nick Bockwinkel would have made a great Horseman with his cool,cocky demeanor low-key but believable promos and in-ring work. And he looked great in a suit.Agreed, but he was long in the tooth at the time.
Bock in JJ's role would have worked very well, not that JJ wasn't great in that spot, but if they start the group with Bock in that spot, he is also a perfect fit.

As the manager maybe, but not as a member. Bockwinkel basically was Flair. Neither would play second fiddle to the other. 
You don't consider JJ a member of the group? He would be in JJ's role.Plus he could wrestle better and make the matches that JJ went in more credible in terms of the outcome.

J.J. was more perfect for that role because he was a former wrestler, who retired and then wrestled like a manager although he could do so much more. Bockwinkel would've just come off as poor man's midwestern version of Ric Flair if he wrestled more credibly and undoubtedly a wrestler as good as the rest of the Horsemen - which was not what the team needed in a manager. They needed a foil in matches like War Games and Nick Bockwinkel 1984-1987 was certainly no one's foil.



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