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Hart was the Face in this I'm guessing.

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Gary Hart and Kabuki were in JCP at the time and had been out of World Class for a long time, so they were viewed as the babyfaces for the day as opposed to Akbar and Kamala who were full time heels in the area.

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Great masterpiece display of nerve holds. What kind of match could you really expect from these two facing each other?

The chaos at the end was the best part of the match.

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I've seen this before, although it's been a few years. I don't remember it being Flair-Steamaboat. I never really got Kabuki, but there's a lot of territorial guys who were over that are a complete mystery to me. When people pine for the "good old days", there's a ton of shit that they're forgetting about, like the fact that Zack Ryder is a better worker than 80% of the guys pre-1985. The great workers of a bygone era were better than anyone today, but there were really very few of them. There were just a lot of Kabukis, and worse.



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Just to piggyback Rossi a bit, I also believe that a lot of these older territorial guys are fun to watch in the context of squash matches.  This goes for a lot of guys actually.  Who doesn’t want to see Kamala splash the shit out of someone or watch the Kabuki mist or the LOD doomsday device.  And then on paper, it’s fun to think about matching these guys up.  Where it breaks down is once the bell rings and you discover nobody can or will sell for the other, nobody wants to job, nobody can take the other guy’s finisher, and it’s just an absolute disaster.  The Road Warriors in that respect are one of the most overrated acts in wrestling history.  I have a hard time naming more than three Road Warriors matches that were awesome that included non-jobbers.  They had a good series against the SST in 1989, but lots of dogshit before and after.



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Blazer wrote: Just to piggyback Rossi a bit, I also believe that a lot of these older territorial guys are fun to watch in the context of squash matches.  This goes for a lot of guys actually.  Who doesn’t want to see Kamala splash the shit out of someone or watch the Kabuki mist or the LOD doomsday device.  And then on paper, it’s fun to think about matching these guys up.  Where it breaks down is once the bell rings and you discover nobody can or will sell for the other, nobody wants to job, nobody can take the other guy’s finisher, and it’s just an absolute disaster.  The Road Warriors in that respect are one of the most overrated acts in wrestling history.  I have a hard time naming more than three Road Warriors matches that were awesome that included non-jobbers.  They had a good series against the SST in 1989, but lots of dogshit before and after.
This is good point on the Road Warriors, and Hawk continually no-selling moves like the piledriver (even for Lawler!) was just awful.  That turned wrestling into a bigger cartoon than anything Vince did IMO.  The first time Hawk popped up from a piledriver was when I lost all interest in them, but yes, it was fun to see them stiff the shit out of a couple of 200-pound jobbers because they had no idea how to work. 

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Regarding the Kabuki gimmick, it always pays to be first. When he came in with the Ninja like gimmick, facepaint, the martial arts moves, the mist, the sense of mystery about him, and the sense of him being this dangerous dude, it got over big. It didn't matter that he wasn't enormous and had no body. Back in 1981, it didn't matter as much as later on. No one had seen anything like this before. Within a few years every promotion seemed to have someone doing the gimmick to differing extents. Kabuki became less special. By mid 1986 he was in Memphis and didn't matter as a major player anymore.

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tamalie wrote: Regarding the Kabuki gimmick, it always pays to be first. When he came in with the Ninja like gimmick, facepaint, the martial arts moves, the mist, the sense of mystery about him, and the sense of him being this dangerous dude, it got over big. It didn't matter that he wasn't enormous and had no body. Back in 1981, it didn't matter as much as later on. No one had seen anything like this before. Within a few years every promotion seemed to have someone doing the gimmick to differing extents. Kabuki became less special. By mid 1986 he was in Memphis and didn't matter as a major player anymore.
In his book, Gary Hart takes credit for basically destroying Kabuki's career, or at least it derailing once they had a falling out and Hart refused to manage him any longer.  Hart claimed he was his real-life manager as well as getting him over on screen and that Kabuki was lost without him.  But of course take that for what it's worth. 



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The guys back in the territory days may not have been the greatest in ring workers, but they had a mystique about them. They also were not over-exposed like the guys nowadays.

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carpetbeggar wrote: The guys back in the territory days may not have been the greatest in ring workers, but they had a mystique about them. They also were not over-exposed like the guys nowadays.
Just a function of the territory system, but also depended on the guy.  There were some territory stars who wrestled in the venues on a weekly basis for 30 years and still stayed over (Lawler, Weaver, etc.).  The "special attractions" (Andre, Abdullah, etc.) certainly would not be as fondly remembered today if they weren't rotated and kept fresh.  The Big Show is twice the worker most of those guys were but couldn't maintain that mystique all these years.  But there's no way around that these days.    



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Two of my favorite monster wrestlers, just not good going up against each other. Put them up with a clean cut face and then you'll have something!

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srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: Regarding the Kabuki gimmick, it always pays to be first. When he came in with the Ninja like gimmick, facepaint, the martial arts moves, the mist, the sense of mystery about him, and the sense of him being this dangerous dude, it got over big. It didn't matter that he wasn't enormous and had no body. Back in 1981, it didn't matter as much as later on. No one had seen anything like this before. Within a few years every promotion seemed to have someone doing the gimmick to differing extents. Kabuki became less special. By mid 1986 he was in Memphis and didn't matter as a major player anymore.
In his book, Gary Hart takes credit for basically destroying Kabuki's career, or at least it derailing once they had a falling out and Hart refused to manage him any longer.  Hart claimed he was his real-life manager as well as getting him over on screen and that Kabuki was lost without him.  But of course take that for what it's worth.
After leaving Hart, Kabuki did nothing.  It makes Hart sound credible if you ask me.



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Kabuki was fairly over in World Class during the spring and summer of 1985 as the killer heel turned babyface with Sunshine as his manager. However, after that he was dead meat after going back to being a heel again. He was not helped by the fact that his ninja gimmick with the spray had been copied by several other wrestlers and that he was absolutely played out in World Class right when the territories went off a cliff during 1986 after having withstood the wrestling wars strongly in 1984 and 1985 for the most part.

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