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I thought I would start a thread to discuss all things AEW going forward.

So last night in Daytona Beach was the AEW 'Fyter Fest' card which was streamed live, for free on the 'B/R Live' site.

In the Evolve anniversary show thread I mentioned that I didn't think this show looked good on paper as there were too many multi-person, clusterfu**k matches for my liking and didn't understand some of the booking of the matches. I also wrote that I really want the company to succeed, but I do see myself agreeing with Jim Cornette in a lot of the criticisms he has had so far with their events.
So I watched it. I had no problem with any of the actual in ring action, besides that Nakazawa match. That was terrible. The skits were shitty, especially "the librarians". I thought they wanted to separate themselves from WWE and offer a more sports-like product as opposed to sports entertainment. Their "skits" were actually worse than WWE's.
Anyway, I thought the matches were fine, I just thought some of the psychology wass way off as for some of the reasons the matches were taking place. Why would Moxley and Janela have such a brutal match? They had no history as far as I know, besides them both being past deathmatch guys? That match would have been perfectly fine to me if it was a blowoff to a long feud between the two. Yeah, yeah, I get that Moxley wants to be seen as just one "wild and crazy guy", but the level of violence in the match made no sense to me. I did love the old school "lights out" stipulation though. It just didn't fit the scenario, with it being the first match between the two. Omega coming out afterwards and getting some revenge for "Double Or Nothing" I thought was really well executed and a nice way to end the show.

Damn Cody took quite the chairshot. I thought the announcers could have done a better job in explaining who Spears was though and his past connection to Cody. As far as the match with Darby Allin, I thought it was great, but again, why was this match happening? Cody is one of the top guys in the company and Allin (a virtual unknown to me, and I am sure to any casual viewers last night) was debuting....Why did this guy get a debut match in one of the semi main events against Cody? Again to me the psychology was off on this. I loved the story they told in the ring though, but man Allin is really, really small. Very noticeable compared to Cody, who isn't the biggest guy himself.

Anyway, I gotta go out, but again, I loved the in ring action, I just thought the skits were bad and the psychology in why some of the matches happened wasn't there. I haven't really read any reviews yet, but I would think the show got mostly positive reviews. Not a great show imo, but very good. 

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Everything I've seen it's getting hit pretty hard...said some of the wrestling was good but overall it was a massive step backwards...

Btw, can we discuss what a punk ass Omega is? For the last week AEW guys have been taking digs all over twitter at the WWE, basically it's been open game on WWE since the last AEW PPV, a PPV that had Cody beating up HHH's throne, them constantly taking shots at them. So WWE puts the Evolve show on their Network the same night AEW has a show on July 13th and Omega tweets how horrid it is the WWE would DARE program against their little charity gig..I mean, come on dude, you guys wanted a battle, you can't get butthurt when they fire a shot back at you..

He's tweeting that WWE is basically stealing money from a charity but all I read was they're donating the live gate to the charity so another show on the WWE network at the same time isn't costing them dick in dollars..

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Most people need to stop analyzing things and just allow them to get their business up and running. Their roster is very, very thin at this point outside of the Elite and Moxley. By the time they are on TV, or pretty close after, they'll also have Gallows and Anderson (you'd pretty much think that's a given). What that helps them with is having a natural tag team opponent for the Bucks, and also another good match near the top of the card. But the reality is on July 1, they aren't much more than an indy company right now. The shows that they are putting on have talent, but of course there's no real storyline to follow or reason why people would do what they are doing. Until there is either a TV show on the air, or they use the two prior cards to further a storyline, these matches are just that...matches.

Reading the above post saying "massive step backwards", well, of course it is. There's a real difference between a PPV that they charge $50 for, and a free show on Bleacher Report that is basically just a charity driven house show. For fans to say "massive step backwards" and have it have some sort of real meaning to it, they'd also have to compare Wrestlemania to the next house show in Altoona PA at the Joffa Mosque. You just can't do that.

Carpetbeggar mentions their awful "skits". Well, I am of the belief that most of the backstage crap is just that, CRAP. If they are doing old school style interviews where their 'Mean Gene' character is interviewing the talent about that night's program and their opponent, I'm all in. Everything else is total horseshit. BUT...with such a thin roster on a free show, you have to expect that they are going to do something to stretch for time so that they don't totally give away the future on a free show. That's why there were so many tags, gimmicks, etc. and no "Kenny vs Cody" type deals (and for that matter, no Jericho).

I still say we won't know if this promotion has any teeth until we give them a full year to show us. There are going to be growing pains with the wrestling and the production, but as long as there isn't a major fuckup with ticket sales and distribution, I still say they will be ok.

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We already have an AEW thread "It's official". Maybe we can combine these two with this topic title.

I haven't had time to read the comments, but my general thoughts are that it was a fairly average show with some good wrestling, some horrible attempts at comedy, and a lot of hardcore stuff that's been missing from the mainstream for 20 years. Whether the latter is good or not I don't know. I'm kinda over it. The younger generation who never saw it might like it. Or they may be horrified because it's a different era now. The latter might be what happened as I got the sense that a lot of people were uncomfortable with some of the barbed wire and thumbtack spots in the Ambrose-Janela match. And the unprotected chair shot that split Cody's skull like a melon generated universal condemnation and made Tony Khan look bad.

I think this show was supposed to be a holding pattern show and nothing special, and people expected more from it. But then they also took a step back with some unnecessary controversy and bad comedy.

Also, I assume this will be handled better with weekly TV, but they HAVE to start introducing guys better. Who the fuck is Darby Allen and why should anyone care? Cody is small and Cody looked like Andre the Giant next to this guy, but they put him over like a huge psycho-killer threat. The announcers did an OK job with that, but we need packages and something more. Maybe this is all done on their YouTube shows but I'm a hardcore fan and don't watch that, and how many others do? Some of the stuff they do is WAY too niche, even for me.

Also, the announcers gelled a bit better this time, but production-wise they're still really behind the curve of even Impact.  Way too many awkward pauses and not knowing where to throw it.  They even botched telling fans how to watch the free show on the kick-off.  They need to get this down, period, no excuses. 

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I've watched Being the Elite for the past few weeks, and I watched FyterFest. The comedy is very, very inside. Likr they are making the jokes just for themselves inside. The whole Fyre Fest deal I did not get until I read someone explaining it. They based a show-long running gag on a Netflix documentary. I've read an explanation for the librarian gimmick, and I still don't get it.

I guess FyterFest is a wrestling show held at a video game convention? They really didn't explain very well. Having the mark promoter of the convention live on TV in a wrestling match is just bush league, and completely exposes the business.

Having said that, there were some cracking matches on the main show. I have no problem with a large number of tag matches. I just want to watch good matches. The six-way match with The Elite vs the Mexicans was outstanding. The chair shot... Meltzer says he was told that the chair was gimmicked, but Dillinger fucked up and beaned him with the leg of the chair instead of the seat. I don't want to see that kind of shit though, gimmicked chair or not, it just reminds me of dead ECW wrestlers.

The main event was nuts. I guess Moxley is just legit crazy and needed to get a CZW-style match out of his system, but the market for that bloody style is pretty niche. If this was the blow-off to a feud, I'd maybe buy it, but there was no reason presented for these guys wanting to fight like this. Blood in glorious HD on a large flatscreen TV is a world away from watching wrestling from a VHS tape on my tiny TV back in the day. Dripping blood in HD isn't for me.

If they had trimmed this show of all the bullshit and just put it out as a 2 hour show of great matches, it would have been great. I really hope AEW succeeds, but someone needs to keep the humor in check, because it's right at the level of WWE humor.

Hopefully one consequence of AEW is that WWE with it's new regimes will allow their guys to go all out in their matches now. In their primes, Bischoff and Heyman both let guys go out and have the best matches they could, wherever they were on the card.

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Married Jo wrote: Everything I've seen it's getting hit pretty hard...said some of the wrestling was good but overall it was a massive step backwards...

Btw, can we discuss what a punk ass Omega is? For the last week AEW guys have been taking digs all over twitter at the WWE, basically it's been open game on WWE since the last AEW PPV, a PPV that had Cody beating up HHH's throne, them constantly taking shots at them. So WWE puts the Evolve show on their Network the same night AEW has a show on July 13th and Omega tweets how horrid it is the WWE would DARE program against their little charity gig..I mean, come on dude, you guys wanted a battle, you can't get butthurt when they fire a shot back at you..

He's tweeting that WWE is basically stealing money from a charity but all I read was they're donating the live gate to the charity so another show on the WWE network at the same time isn't costing them dick in dollars..

Yeah, I wrote this in the EVOLVE thread a few days ago:

Kenny Omega threw a hissy fit on Twitter (since deleted) about WWE having blood on their hands for going to Saudi Arabia and now they are trying to ruin AEW's "charity show". My feelings on Saudi Arabia are very clear, but Omega needs to understand that it's competition time now and he's drawn the ire of the most powerful force in wrestling. It's time to step up and not bitch on Twitter about counter-programming, a measure taken by WWE since about 1985 or so. Come on, don't be fucking naïve.  Omega is the top star in the company posing the most serious threat to WWE in 20 years, so if he can't take the pressure behind the scenes he's going to have a really tough time over the next few years.

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For those who have asked why gaming personality Golden Boy worked as an announcer at AEW Fyterfest, it was the same reason the Michael Nakazawa vs. Alex JeBailey bout aired - it was part of the partnership to hold the event in conjunction with the CEO x Gaming convention.  Kenny Omega was the point person for that relationship, as he was last year when the event was promoted in conjunction at the time with New Japan Pro Wrestling. 

There's been a lot of attention to the chairshot that Cody took on the show.  Obviously, no one involved wanted him to get busted open.  It appears that when he turned, the top of the chair caught him accidentally. In the context of the storyline, it made Shawn Spears a villain, but with the way today's audience looks at things, the heat isn't on the heel but on the promotion for allowing it to happen.  They could have had the exact same moment with Cody getting his hands up for the same dramatic effect, so to me, it's just not worth it to do the unprotected shots.  I get the impression that the promotion certainly took note of the negative response and I don't think we'll ever see them regularly, but I do want to point out there's a big hypocrisy in fans being so negative to the chairshot while also praising all the bumps through barbed wire, off ladders and onto thumbtacks on the same show.  You can't bemoan someone taking crazy physical punishment and then cheer someone else on for doing the same thing.  It's all physically detrimental to those involved.

Kip Sabian vs. Hangman Page has been officially added to the 7/13 Fight for the Fallen event in Jacksonville, Florida.

Brandi Rhodes noted on social media that Cody had 12 staples in his head the first time he asked her out and now here they are years later, married, and he's back with 12 staples in his head.  That's romance, I, uh, guess?

Tony Khan noted during a post media scrum that the hardcore style matches that aired on Fyterfest would be seen on AEW PPV but would not be on the weekly AEW TV series when it debuts this October.  He also shot down the idea of doing intergender wrestling in the promotion as he's not a fan of it.

Alex Marvez was backstage at Fyterfest and filmed material for future AEW use.

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AEW needs to get a streaming service going and compile all of this shit into one location. I don’t have the Fite app, until this show I’d never heard of the bleacher report thing and I’m not going to waste my time looking around YouTube for videos from the elite and Chris van velt and whoever else.


I’m old, lazy and not all that interested as I already have way too much wrestling on tap that I never have enough time to watch

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Have zero interest in AEW or the WWE as of now. NJPW for me, baby!

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Breaking today is that Private Party, pretty much the only good thing about the Fyter Fest pre-show, were offered contracts by the Young Bucks as soon as they stepped backstage.

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srossi wrote: Breaking today is that Private Party, pretty much the only good thing about the Fyter Fest pre-show, were offered contracts by the Young Bucks as soon as they stepped backstage.

There was footage of this on Being the Elite that was uploaded on Monday. Fake news.

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It was announced that Shawn Spears will be managed by Tully Blanchard. Hoping it's not just for the one match vs Cody.

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Superstar wrote: It was announced that Shawn Spears will be managed by Tully Blanchard. Hoping it's not just for the one match vs Cody.
AEW's Facebook post says they've come to terms on "a multi-show agreement" with Tully.  So it won't be one show, but I also don't expect it to last all that long.  If Tully wanted back in full-time, I imagine he'd be more likely to support his daughter in Impact and only have to appear for the limited TV tapings and special events they have, rather than be on TV weekly for AEW on TNT.  Unless they threw a stupid amount of money at him, which really could be better spent elsewhere.  As much as I like Tully, him managing in 2019 won't mean much.   

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The first Wednesday Night Dynamite broadcast officially announced:

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Here is the YouTube link for the AEW on TNT trailer, it's very good:

https://youtu.be/R_pA-9ItkQ8

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AEW/TNT Press Release:


July 24, 2019 – WarnerMedia announced today that the new professional wrestling league All Elite Wrestling (AEW) will begin airing its two-hour weekly matches on TNT on Wednesday, Oct. 2, from 8 p.m. ET to 10 p.m. ET. The highly-anticipated, action-packed matches will take place in different cities across the nation each week on Wednesdays, starting in Washington, D.C., at the famed Capital One Arena. Ticket pricing and on-sale date for the televised live event will be announced on Monday, July 29, at 12 p.m. ET via AEW’s social media platforms. 

AEW features a world-class roster of diverse male and female wrestlers, giving fans a new wrestling experience for the first time in 20 years. Founded by President and CEO Tony Khan, AEW is headlined by Cody & Brandi Rhodes, The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson), Kenny Omega, Hangman Adam Page, Chris Jericho and Jon Moxley. The roster is also filled with incredibly skilled competitors including Nyla Rose, Awesome Kong, Dustin Rhodes, Jungle Boy, Dr. Britt Baker, MJF and SCU. In addition to being in-ring talent, Cody, The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega also serve as EVPs with Brandi Rhodes serving as Chief Brand Officer. Renowned commentator Jim Ross has also joined the league. 

Focused on fast-paced, high-impact competitions, AEW offers fans more athleticism along with real sports analytics. Wrestlers are also given freedom to explore their characters and highlight their athletic abilities. Introducing statistics to wrestling for the first time ever, AEW will raise the stakes for its matches and deepen fan engagement by tracking each competitor’s wins and losses as wrestlers pursue championships. Their moves and damage to their opponents will also be analyzed on-air to provide insights into their winning streaks. 

WarnerMedia has been offering fans exclusive access to AEW’s previous matches that kicked off in May. Their extremely popular events DOUBLE OR NOTHING, FYTER FEST and FIGHT FOR THE FALLEN were all streamed on B/R Live. The highly anticipated ALL OUT event in Chicago on Saturday, Aug. 31, will also stream on the platform. B/R Live’s high fan engagement provides an invaluable opportunity to build AEW’s audience and maximize its viewership

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Capital One arena in Washington is a 20, 000 seater for hockey and basketball. Interesting.

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With their staging and gimmicks, I would guess between 12,000-16,000 tickets will be put on sale. Still seems like too large of an arena for a weekly TV show, but I guess they want to kick off the inaugural show on TNT with a big bang, no pun intended.

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AEW announced their first TV match on TNT on Oct. 2. It will be Cody vs. Sammy Guevara.

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There was some online hype, pretty sure there was even a petition, a few months ago where fans were wanting the first match on TNT to feature Jushin Liger vs. Brian Pillman Jr. to mimick Nitro's first ever match. It would of been kind of cool, but not good business since I don't believe AEW has plans for either guy.


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Heenan Fan wrote: There was some online hype, pretty sure there was even a petition, a few months ago where fans were wanting the first match on TNT to feature Jushin Liger vs. Brian Pillman Jr. to mimick Nitro's first ever match. It would of been kind of cool, but not good business since I don't believe AEW has plans for either guy.



I hope that match happens somewhere as part of Liger’s retirement tour, but to want AEW to immediately douse itself with the stench of WCW is beyond stupid. Not to mention the fact that you don’t launch a hot new company with an old guy 3 months away from retirement. No one gives a fuck about Nitro’s first match except 6 smarks.  Everyone else just remembers Nitro sucked, or aren’t old enough to remember it at all. What a dumb idea. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: There was some online hype, pretty sure there was even a petition, a few months ago where fans were wanting the first match on TNT to feature Jushin Liger vs. Brian Pillman Jr. to mimick Nitro's first ever match. It would of been kind of cool, but not good business since I don't believe AEW has plans for either guy.



I hope that match happens somewhere as part of Liger’s retirement tour, but to want AEW to immediately douse itself with the stench of WCW is beyond stupid. Not to mention the fact that you don’t launch a hot new company with an old guy 3 months away from retirement. No one gives a fuck about Nitro’s first match except 6 smarks.  Everyone else just remembers Nitro sucked, or aren’t old enough to remember it at all. What a dumb idea. 
I would also like to see Liger vs. Pillman Jr. before he retires. I also agree with you for the most part that the stench of WCW is not what AEW needs. That being said, the Liger-Pillman match would be looked at as nostalgia, and RAW's rating last week proved again that nostalgia draws tv ratings. Just saying.

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ll Elite Wrestling has officially sold out their October 2nd Washington, D.C. TV taping, which will be their debut on TNT.

The announcement that the show is sold out should come at any time.

It is possible additional tickets will be released once they finalize production.

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Because of the stage set, there are some significant seat kills in DC, but it still looks like it's set up for a capacity in the 13,000 range. I've been an AEW skeptic, but this fast sellout at that capacity is impressive. Currently about 15% of all tickets sold are on StubHub, assuming I've estimated the capacity correctly, with a current get in price of $27.50.

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In a Smart move TNT and AEW bought ad time before showings of Rock's Hobbs and Shaw movie

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: There was some online hype, pretty sure there was even a petition, a few months ago where fans were wanting the first match on TNT to feature Jushin Liger vs. Brian Pillman Jr. to mimick Nitro's first ever match. It would of been kind of cool, but not good business since I don't believe AEW has plans for either guy.



I hope that match happens somewhere as part of Liger’s retirement tour, but to want AEW to immediately douse itself with the stench of WCW is beyond stupid. Not to mention the fact that you don’t launch a hot new company with an old guy 3 months away from retirement. No one gives a fuck about Nitro’s first match except 6 smarks.  Everyone else just remembers Nitro sucked, or aren’t old enough to remember it at all. What a dumb idea. 
I would also like to see Liger vs. Pillman Jr. before he retires. I also agree with you for the most part that the stench of WCW is not what AEW needs. That being said, the Liger-Pillman match would be looked at as nostalgia, and RAW's rating last week proved again that nostalgia draws tv ratings. Just saying.


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Roddy Piper’s daughter Teal will compete in the battle royal at All Out.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2019/08/16/aew-stays-hot-sells-out-tnt-shows-in-boston-and-philadelphia/#10f1ed886424

AEW Stays Hot, Sells Out TNT Shows In Boston And Philadelphia

AEW's streak of overachieving momentum continued as its next to AEW on TNT showcases in Boston and Philadelphia sold out just over an hour after tickets went on sale at 12 p.m. EST.

AEW on TNT will air in Boston on Wednesday, October 9 in the Agganis Arena, which has a capacity of 7,200, and on October 16 in Philadelphia's Liacouras Center, which carries a capacity of 10,200.

After scheduling its major shows on the west coast for AEW Double or Nothing (Las Vegas), its home base of Florida for Fight for the Fallen (Jacksonville) and Fyter Fest (Daytona Beach) and the midwest for All Out (Chicago), AEW has leaned exclusively on the northeast for its early run of television tapings.

Tickets for AEW On TNT's premiere sold out within hours for its Washington D.C. debut on October 2, while AEW targeted the traditionally hot wrestling markets of Boston and Philadelphia for its next two offerings. The strategy is wise from the standpoint that not only is AEW targeting strong wrestling markets, but the east coast cities in question are known to turn out some of the hotter crowds in pro wrestling. This will give the upstart promotion the ability to launch its first month of television shows in front of more engaged and motivated fanbases thereby facilitating a much better television product.

The back-and-forth between AEW and WWE has only escalated since its last sellout around this time last month. During WWE's 2Q 2019 earnings call, Vince McMahon casually dismissed AEW as "blood and guts," noting their brand of decided violence was nothing more than "gory crap that we graduated from." In his veiled criticism of AEW's more edgy product, McMahon made sure to note that he does not see TNT tolerating this content, a comment seemingly designed to scare off potential advertisers as the Chairman willingly engages in dirty pool.

Cody Rhodes, AEW's unofficial clap-back spokesperson, was sure to respond with one of his garden-variety rah rah speeches in a recent video.

"Every man or woman who ever stepped foot in the ring regardless of race, color, creed, political affiliation, sexual identity has felt blood and guts and passion," said William Wallace Rhodes.

"Because if we don’t care, they don’t care. So if you say we’re blood and guts, I say you bet your ass we’re blood and guts.”

Rhodes' motivational speech was reminiscent of his response to Triple H calling AEW a "pissant" company at the WWE Hall of Fame earlier this year.

The budding wrestling war has also manifested itself through counter programming, most notably WWE airing EVOLVE 131 on the WWE Network during AEW Fight for the Fallen. The move drew tweet-and-delete criticism (the most intense kind of criticism) from Kenny Omega, who took exception to WWE's attempts to undermine a charity show that raised $150,000 for victims of gun violence.

WWE will also air NXT TakeOver: Cardiff opposite AEW All Out on August 31, while rumors of NXT moving to Wednesday nights on FS1—pitting them head-to-head against AEW on TNT—are so prominent they've become regular topics of discussion during Triple H's media conference calls.

Tensions between the two promotions can also be seen and heard in interviews with prominent WWE Superstars. WWE Universal champion Seth Rollins has aggressively vowed to "knock [AEW] dead," while top star Roman Reigns considered it "generous" to refer to the national promotion as competition.

With AEW set to air on television starting in October, shots continue to be fired and it's only mid-August.

Welcome to the jungle.

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Not one post on All Out? What did people think of the show? I thought it was fine but nothing too spectacular. The consensus seems to be that NXT UK Takeover was better. AEW is also taking some heat for putting the title on Jericho, although I thought that was the obvious move.

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Anyone who thinks that belt should have been on anyone OTHER than Jericho doesn't know the sport and doesn't understand how important television is to AEW. He was the ONLY person to put the belt on the first time..

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I agree. By making Chris Jericho the champ, you have the belt on by far the best known star in the company as a way of attracting mainstream fans when TV starts in October. Then they start building up a top contender on TV so that at the next big PPV, a homegrown AEW star topples the WWE lifer to win the World Title.

In other news, I believe the arena in Washington DC is set up for 14,000. It holds more for NBA and NHL games, but the stage set and the hard camera/production area kill a bunch of seats. Right now StubHub has 3,537 seats for sale, 25% of the capacity. The get in price is just $10 which means people are probably selling at a loss right now, just to move the seats.

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Married Jo wrote: Anyone who thinks that belt should have been on anyone OTHER than Jericho doesn't know the sport and doesn't understand how important television is to AEW. He was the ONLY person to put the belt on the first time..
As the saying goes, the biggest marks are behind the curtain and Baron Corbin and some others were having a field day with the decision, calling AEW and their fans hypocrites.  Corbin missed the part where people were upset with WWE for putting the belt on part-timers like Lesnar and Goldberg and weren't just getting on them because they were older.  Certainly the match that Jericho had with Adam Page was better than any match Lesnar has had in years and that Goldberg has ever had. 

Like I said, going into the debut shows on TNT, Jericho obviously needed to be champion.  That was a no-brainer, although many seemed to think that AEW was going to "make" Page.  These people are clueless.

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srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: Anyone who thinks that belt should have been on anyone OTHER than Jericho doesn't know the sport and doesn't understand how important television is to AEW. He was the ONLY person to put the belt on the first time..
As the saying goes, the biggest marks are behind the curtain and Baron Corbin and some others were having a field day with the decision, calling AEW and their fans hypocrites.  Corbin missed the part where people were upset with WWE for putting the belt on part-timers like Lesnar and Goldberg and weren't just getting on them because they were older.  Certainly the match that Jericho had with Adam Page was better than any match Lesnar has had in years and that Goldberg has ever had. 

Like I said, going into the debut shows on TNT, Jericho obviously needed to be champion.  That was a no-brainer, although many seemed to think that AEW was going to "make" Page.  These people are clueless.
If they want to make Hangman Page the champ, their TV audience needs to see him beat everybody on the roster first.  Otherwise, you go into TV on TNT with a very Indy look and feel.  There's nobody out there that doesn't believe Chris Jericho isn't worthy of a major belt at this stage of the game, I mean, he's been WWE Champion in the past few years and has held every belt in WWE.  He also was NJPW IC Champ in the past year.  He's as well known as anybody that they could put in the spot.  And whomever beats him will get a huge rub, and it can't be Cody or Omega.

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Also worth noting that they've been beating Omega and I wouldn't say burying him, but questioning his motivation on commentary.  So the strategy seems to be to take the top guy they have and make him work his way up from scratch again, rather than assume that the audience will just accept him as the top guy from the get-go based on his run in NJPW.  I think that's smart.  It also gave PAC a huge rub to beat him coming off of a WWE run where he always had great matches but had the stench of a segregated Cruiserweight on him. 

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srossi wrote: Also worth noting that they've been beating Omega and I wouldn't say burying him, but questioning his motivation on commentary.  So the strategy seems to be to take the top guy they have and make him work his way up from scratch again, rather than assume that the audience will just accept him as the top guy from the get-go based on his run in NJPW.  I think that's smart.  It also gave PAC a huge rub to beat him coming off of a WWE run where he always had great matches but had the stench of a segregated Cruiserweight on him. Agree 100%.  Kenny needs to be built up on TV to the US audience, because the audience that is going to these events knows who he is and he's basically teflon to them.  He doesn't get hurt by these losses (and it makes me think Mox was going over too).

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PWInsider announced that Marty Scurll's contract with ROH ends in November. Obviously there is huge speculation that he will wind up joining all his friends in AEW, although ROH is reportedly going to make a strong bid to keep him.

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Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.

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The All Elite Wrestling Championship belt was won by Chris Jericho on Saturday 8/31 and lost on Sunday 9/1 after Jericho returned to Florida.

The Tallahassee, Florida Police Department Records Department confirmed to PWInsider.com this afternoon that a police report was filed by Chris Jericho reporting Grand Theft of a Championship belt.   PWInsider.com is awaiting a copy of the report, but has been advised that until an investigation is closed, aspects of the report will be redacted, per department policy.

PWInsider.com has confirmed the belt in question was the AEW title Jericho captured at All Out the night before in Chicago, defeating Adam Page.  The belt was inside a limo that Jericho had used to transport himself from the airport.  The AEW title belt was inside the limo.  Jericho, who had picked up the wrong luggage, ate at a restaurant while his driver returned the incorrect luggage back to the airport.  When the driver returned, the AEW title belt was no longer in the limo, resulting in police being called.

A version of the police report floating online reads:

Grand Theft/ 2400 N. Monroe Street / 7:13 PM
"The victim reported the theft of his championship wrestling belt while he was eating inside Longhorn Steakhouse. The victim stated he arrived at the Millionaire Club Airport Terminal and place(d) the belt inside his rented limousine. The limo driver shuttled the victim to Longhorn for dinner. The victim remained at Longhorn while the limo driver returned to the airport. The victim had taken the wrong luggage from the airport and the driver took it back to the terminal. When the driver picked up the victim from the restaurant, the belt was missing. Responding officers searched the limo and airport for the belt without success. On-call CID (Note from Mike: Criminal Investigation Department) was consulted, and forensics responded to the scene. Victim: Christopher "Jericho" Irvine, W/M, 11/9/70"


PWInsider.com was told the case remains open and police are investigating.


Note: AEW, on Instagram, responded to comments regarding the situation, writing, "Authorities are working on it as we speak. Thank you for your concern."

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That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

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Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 

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Jericho has already cut a nice in-character heel promo on the thief that has been posted to all AEW platforms.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

Ted Dibiase talked about "bologna blowouts" in one of his books. Someone would stop at a 7-Eleven or supermarket and get a loaf of bread, a pack of Oscar Mayer bologna and a case of beer (pre-open container law). 

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

Forgot the can of pork n' beans, opened up with a pocket knife.
Wrestlers?  Shit, this was my college menu.  Add some Ramen, 50 cent box of mac and cheese, and splurge on the mega package of bologna and Wonder Bread.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

Ted Dibiase talked about "bologna blowouts" in one of his books. Someone would stop at a 7-Eleven or supermarket and get a loaf of bread, a pack of Oscar Mayer bologna and a case of beer (pre-open container law). 
The bologna blowouts are definitely a pro wrestling tradition. One of the best ever things about CAC, but I heard they ended it? I haven't been in 6 years due to health reasons.

My all-time favorite cheapskate is probably Angelo "The Miser" Poffo. Supposedly, he would go into waffle houses and low end restaurants. He would simply order a free water in a tall cup, then take ketchup packets and the free saltine crackers at the salad bar (well, free if you actually ordered a salad), add everything together, and make tomato soup. I've heard this story from various people over the years, and I don't think it was part of his gimmick. He didn't start going by "The Miser" character until late in his career.





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Sounds like these guys would have been better off working at the waffle house

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Franchise wrote: Sounds like these guys would have been better off working at the waffle houseMaybe so, but what about the perks? I hear the young rats in the back of the wrestling arena are WAAAY cooler than the young rats in the waffle house food storage pantry.

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Reading social media posts not only makes me question my being a wrestling fan, but also makes me understand how come there are so many people struggling to keep their minimum wage jobs...there are some really dumb people in this world and that’s being kind.

But I did get one good laugh just now on a Jericho post about having the AEW belt stolen. Some guy posted: “Rikishi stole the belt - he did it for The Rock”. And I don’t know why but I popped like hell for that line.

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Superstar wrote: Reading social media posts not only makes me question my being a wrestling fan, but also makes me understand how come there are so many people struggling to keep their minimum wage jobs...there are some really dumb people in this world and that’s being kind.

I have one Facebook friend who shares wrestling newz stories.  It's my only link to wrestling on social media.  So whenever I am at my lowest point of despair in reading comments about politics and wondering how people could be so dumb, I read of the comments on wrestling and suddenly I understand. 

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Brandi tweeted some video of the new Women's belt.  Very different look, much more slender.  I like it.  Just don't give it to Jericho.

https://twitter.com/TheBrandiRhodes/status/1168948514921037826/video/1

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Do police reports of petty theft really make their way to the internets? You're all being worked, you sad marks.

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Kriss wrote: Do police reports of petty theft really make their way to the internets? You're all being worked, you sad marks.
Even stolen replica belts make the news sometimes:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/29/us/thieves-return-boys-wrestling-belt-trnd/index.html

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Heenan Fan wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

Ted Dibiase talked about "bologna blowouts" in one of his books. Someone would stop at a 7-Eleven or supermarket and get a loaf of bread, a pack of Oscar Mayer bologna and a case of beer (pre-open container law). 
The bologna blowouts are definitely a pro wrestling tradition. One of the best ever things about CAC, but I heard they ended it? I haven't been in 6 years due to health reasons.

My all-time favorite cheapskate is probably Angelo "The Miser" Poffo. Supposedly, he would go into waffle houses and low end restaurants. He would simply order a free water in a tall cup, then take ketchup packets and the free saltine crackers at the salad bar (well, free if you actually ordered a salad), add everything together, and make tomato soup. I've heard this story from various people over the years, and I don't think it was part of his gimmick. He didn't start going by "The Miser" character until late in his career.






 
Another one I heard about Angelo Poffo was he'd go to a diner or lunch counter, order something like a cup of coffee or whatever and then as people finished their food and left, he'd raid their plates for leftover food before they could be bused out.

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Heenan Fan wrote: The bologna blowouts are definitely a pro wrestling tradition. One of the best ever things about CAC, but I heard they ended it? I haven't been in 6 years due to health reasons.

My all-time favorite cheapskate is probably Angelo "The Miser" Poffo. Supposedly, he would go into waffle houses and low end restaurants. He would simply order a free water in a tall cup, then take ketchup packets and the free saltine crackers at the salad bar (well, free if you actually ordered a salad), add everything together, and make tomato soup. I've heard this story from various people over the years, and I don't think it was part of his gimmick. He didn't start going by "The Miser" character until late in his career.


This was not at all uncommon for people from his generation, although of course he had money by this time.  The "meal" was very well known from the Depression era though.  People used to go into automats when they were all the rage, the first fast food places, and do this same exact thing all the time.  If they had nowhere else to go, they'd practically live in the automats and eat this all day.

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AEW has thanked the Tallahassee Police Dept. for locating the belt.  They posted a pic with one of the cops holding it.  It wasn't a work.

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srossi wrote: AEW has thanked the Tallahassee Police Dept. for locating the belt.  They posted a pic with one of the cops holding it.  It wasn't a work.

As if Tallahassee was the name of a real place! Next you'll be telling me Parts Unknown, Truth or Consequences NM and Rio de Janeiro are real places as well.

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I didn't catch it live, but Corey Graves trolled Jericho last night on SD!  After Drake Maverick pinned Bo Dallas to regain the 24/7 title, Graves said, "I'm sure Drake's gonna grab his wife and take a limousine to a chain restaurant."

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Corey Graves needs to remember that he can’t take any more shots to the head before he speaks, because someday he’s gonna piss off the wrong person with his mouth.

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Vince is too out of touch to get any of Corey Graves' references, but someone could always stooge him off I guess.

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Superstar wrote: Corey Graves needs to remember that he can’t take any more shots to the head before he speaks, because someday he’s gonna piss off the wrong person with his mouth.
Chris Jericho isn't exactly Killer Karl Kox.  No one is anymore.  He'll be fine.

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tamalie wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: Belt stolen out of limo while Y2J ate at Longhorn Steakhouse. You can't make this shit up. Check Ebay.
That man needs a raise; the champ eating at longhorn? For shame 

Wrestlers usually eat at Waffle Houses and Cracker Barrels. This is fine dining. 
Back in the day, a couple cans of tuna and a 5 pound bag of taters. Hell,  McDonald's was fine dining up until the mid 1980's.

Ted Dibiase talked about "bologna blowouts" in one of his books. Someone would stop at a 7-Eleven or supermarket and get a loaf of bread, a pack of Oscar Mayer bologna and a case of beer (pre-open container law). 
The bologna blowouts are definitely a pro wrestling tradition. One of the best ever things about CAC, but I heard they ended it? I haven't been in 6 years due to health reasons.

My all-time favorite cheapskate is probably Angelo "The Miser" Poffo. Supposedly, he would go into waffle houses and low end restaurants. He would simply order a free water in a tall cup, then take ketchup packets and the free saltine crackers at the salad bar (well, free if you actually ordered a salad), add everything together, and make tomato soup. I've heard this story from various people over the years, and I don't think it was part of his gimmick. He didn't start going by "The Miser" character until late in his career.






 
Another one I heard about Angelo Poffo was he'd go to a diner or lunch counter, order something like a cup of coffee or whatever and then as people finished their food and left, he'd raid their plates for leftover food before they could be bused out.
Shit, who hasn't done that? ;).



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AEW notes from PWInsider:

The AEW title belt was turned into Tallahassee Police today by someone who claimed they found the belt, inside its carrying case, on the side of the road.   You have to give AEW credit in that the second it became a big talking point on social media, they turned it into an angle or sorts and got some attention with their Jericho promo.  There have been no arrests made in the case, which is still considered open.

WarnerMedia is bringing All Elite Wrestling to the 2019 New York Comic Con at tje Jacob Javits Center.  Just two days after AEW's debut on TNT, there will be a panel discussion with AEW Champion Chris Jericho, Jon Moxley, Awesome Kong, Nyla Rose, Brandi Rhodes and Jungle Boy discussing the promotion and series on Friday 10/4 at 4:15 PM in Room 1A10.

During his Starrcast panel over the weekend, Dean Malenko revealed he is battling Parkinson's Disease.  Everyone at PWInsider.com wishes Malenko and his family the best.  

On his podcast, Chris Jericho noted that Kenny Omega and PAC were both upset as they ran out of time and didn't get to do everything they wanted in their match at All Out.    

It was also noted that the entire roster had their faces scanned for future usage, likely meaning video games or action figures.

Jericho specifically noted he requested Aubrey Edwards to referee his match against Adam Page at the PPV. Malenko was the Producer for that match.

Tool Guitarist Adam Jones was visiting backstage at All Out.

Tickets for the 11/6 Charlotte TV Taping will go on sale this Friday.

Killer Kross, Scarlett Bordeaux and Noelle Foley were in attendance at All Out.

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Meltzer is reporting that there were two separate incidents involving Bea Priestly at All Out, and she appeared to be the victim both times.

The first was on camera as Britt Baker delivered some really stiff shots to her during the pre-show women's battle royal.  These were reportedly a receipt for Priestly giving her a concussion at Fight for the Fallen.

The second was after Priestly returned to the backstage area and was attacked by Sadie Gibbs.  No word on what that was about, but they argued and then Gibbs swung at her, leading to Matt Jackson having to physically separate them. 

So suffice it to say, Priestly, who is expected to be a big part of the women's division, has some locker room heat on her early. 

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Does anyone blame Baker for laying it in on Priestly after she knocked her out?

Priestly tried (possibly succeeded) in getting Gibbs un-booked in Japan.

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cdewar19 wrote: Does anyone blame Baker for laying it in on Priestly after she knocked her out?

Priestly tried (possibly succeeded) in getting Gibbs un-booked in Japan.

I've never even heard of Gibbs before last week so I don't know that story. It's probably time to focus on the bigger picture and stop worrying about petty indy shit though.

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AEW seems to encourage petty shit on camera, so no surprise it happens in the back as well.

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One wrestler giving stiff shots to another over the concussion incident seems like dated juvenile stuff, but if the parties involved consider it point made and case closed, so be it. If it lingers and fuels more incidents, that's another matter.

The bit with Sadie Gibbs attacking Bea Priestly backstage is an offense worth of termination or at least a lengthy suspension. That sort of thing has to be red lighted immediately with consequences lest anyone else gets the idea this is acceptable conduct and there are future instances of this.

Regarding Dean Malenko and Parkinson's, is it known when he was diagnosed? It could be a coincidence or hereditary, but the punishment his body took as a wrestler would suggest there's some sort of link given the numbers of football and hockey players who have had this disease. Was his decision to leave the WWE and go to AEW based on wanting a lighter schedule or perhaps superior health benefits, assuming Dean wasn't getting his health insurance via a spouse. Doug Furnas died of complications from Parkinson's Disease in 2012 and was lucky that his wife and now widow was and still is an executive with Geico. That meant health insurance was not an issue for Doug in the way that Brickhouse Brown died from untreated cancer when treatment could have extended or saved his life due to having no coverage and no way to therefore afford treatment.

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Do backstage WWE staff get health benefits?

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cdewar19 wrote: Do backstage WWE staff get health benefits?

I am not completely certain, but am fairly sure the backstage people are considered employees and get benefits that include health insurance.

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The Tallahassee Democrat featured an interview with Frank Price the man who found Chris Jericho's All Elite Wrestling World Championship belt sitting in the middle of a turn lane on Highway 20 near Capital Circle Southwest. Price said he and his wife were returning from scalloping with his friends on his birthday. They retrieved the scufffed bag, later opening it to discover the title belt on Sunday 9/2.

After taking pictures with the belt, which he and his wife believed was a replica, Price placed a lost and found listing for it on Craigslist.

On Wednesday morning 9/4, he was made aware of the attention given to the lost belt and contacted authorities. He was asked to bring the belt in and did so, turning it in. While at the Police Department, he ran into the owner of the limo company Chris Jericho had used, who gave him a $200 rewards for returning the belt. The timing of their meeting at the department and the reward led to authorities looking into Price's whereabouts when the belt disappeared and he produced GPS and receipts to show he was not near the Longhorn Steakhouse where Jericho reported the title belt stolen.

“It’s pretty comical,” Price said. “It’s like the start for a great screenplay. This story could have gone in so many other funny directions. There are so many funny twists to it.”

Price, who is not a wrestling fan, said that he doubted the belt was actually stolen.

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Price, who is not a wrestling fan, said that he doubted the belt was actually stolen.


This is some really bad, ambiguous writing.

Did Price not think that the belt had been stolen when he found it, but subsequently changed his mind? Or does he doubt the whole story that the belt was stolen?

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Kriss wrote: bpickering wrote: pwinsider.com

Price, who is not a wrestling fan, said that he doubted the belt was actually stolen.


This is some really bad, ambiguous writing.

Did Price not think that the belt had been stolen when he found it, but subsequently changed his mind? Or does he doubt the whole story that the belt was stolen?

I took it to mean that he's not a fan and assumes everything involving wrestling is a work so someone just left it there to be found, but I could be wrong.

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When I watched Malenko's RF Video shoot interview a few weeks ago I could tell something was wrong as his hands were shaking something fierce.

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All Elite Wrestling will hold a TV taping for their TNT series on Wednesday 11/13 in Nashville, TN, it was announced on the latest edition of their Being the Elite YouTube Series. The taping will be held at the legendary Nashville Municipal Auditorium, which housed the NWA Wrestlewar '89: Music City Showdown event headlined by the climax of the Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat trilogy for the NWA World Championship. The building has also housed WWE, WCW and TNA events over the years.

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I am not sure where to put this, but since Chris Jericho was last a full time to semi full time wrestler in the WWE going back to mid 2017, it seems like he's aged about a decade. He made reference in an interview to his persona evolving again, as it has over the past decade or so mainly in the WWE. This time he's taking on that grizzled veteran look and personality. I can't tell if that's really the case or if it's a way of explaining things away. He'll be 49 in two months. The life of a pro wrestler is hard enough without also regularly touring in a rock band. Maybe the years have simply caught up to him physically.

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There was an AEW commercial during NXT on USA. I’m not sure how USA let that happen. Certainly they could’ve rejected it.

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Vince owns AEW it’s all a work
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srossi wrote: There was an AEW commercial during NXT on USA. I’m not sure how USA let that happen. Certainly they could’ve rejected it.Probably just a local ad, but even then Vince and/or USA Network could of easily nixed it. Just another example of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing in WWE in all probability.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: There was an AEW commercial during NXT on USA. I’m not sure how USA let that happen. Certainly they could’ve rejected it.Probably just a local ad, but even then Vince and/or USA Network could of easily nixed it. Just another example of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing in WWE in all probability.
PWInsider confirmed that AEW paid USA for a national commercial during NXT last night. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: There was an AEW commercial during NXT on USA. I’m not sure how USA let that happen. Certainly they could’ve rejected it.Probably just a local ad, but even then Vince and/or USA Network could of easily nixed it. Just another example of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing in WWE in all probability.
PWInsider confirmed that AEW paid USA for a national commercial during NXT last night. 


That's a real scoop right there...

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Kenny Omega has called NXT wrestlers "dark match" talent and everyone is freaking out.  I feel like no one can handle a wrestling war in the woke era.  It ain't 1998 anymore and people are already getting way too offended by normal competitive chiding.  PWInsider is getting all offended on behalf of others.  LOL

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SK did an interview with Kenny Omega, where they asked him what he thought about "going to war" with NXT.  It's fair to say his comments were inflammatory.

"You can call it a war if you want. It's like, to me, we're in a completely different kind of business. I mean what they're doing is different from what we're doing. It's weird, because it's hard to say you're going to war with people that I call my friends.  And yet, we are going to war. And yet, when I sit back and look at the grand picture, I'm going to war with these dudes that, if we were on the same show together, the same promotion...let's pretend there were no borders. Let's pretend there were no promotions. Let's just pretend there's just one big promotion. If these guys were in the same show as me, they'd be in the dark match. They'd be in the opening match of my main event match."

I won't even comment on that other than to say, "WOW, I can't believe he would say that". OK, I have one more thing to say.  Maybe you could dismiss this if Omega was "just a wrestler", MAYBE, but he is also an officer in the company.  

Dominic Dijakovic tweeted the following in response to Kenny Omega's comments earlier today about the NXT talent: 

Hey @KennyOmegamanX remember when my match with @RealKeithLee embarrassed yours on your PWG homecoming weekend of BOLA 2017? Tune in this Wednesday to NXT TV on USA at 8pm so two developmental guys can show a real star how it’s done, again.

Meanwhile, Omega responded to a tweeter who attacked Matt Riddle for Omega's statement about NXT having dark match and opening match wrestlers, noting that Matt Riddle was the exception to his statement. 
No he isn’t, I love Matt. We bros. Exceptions to every rule/statement
— Kenny Omega (@KennyOmegamanX) September 19, 2019

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I enjoy old school shit talking but Omega really comes across like a complainer to me; Nothing about him seems cool.

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Kenny Omega knows the fans will eat that stuff up. I don't take him seriously, but a lot of people will.

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Franchise wrote: I enjoy old school shit talking but Omega really comes across like a complainer to me; Nothing about him seems cool.
Cool doesn't mean the same thing to you and me that it means to the new generation.  All the shit that used to get kids pushed into lockers when I was growing up (video games, anime, binge-watching TV shows on a Friday night before binge-watching was a thing) are now cool, and Omega and the AEW guys are into all that shit.  This is cool for the YouTube generation.  "Ric Flair cool" doesn't exist anymore, and considering how pathetic Ric Flair is now, I can't say that's a bad thing. 

Omega's trying to get a reaction, but the problem is he's already making exceptions and will wind up crying and apologizing within hours.  I give him credit for attempting trash talk in 2019, but in the age of Twitter it never goes well.  And the biggest marks are always behind the curtain and genuinely seem confused by it.

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Mike Johnson is still butthurt:

What did you make of Kenny Omega trashing pretty much the entire NXT roster?|

If he actually meant it, it was pretty stupid, because if there's one aspect of WWE that the same fans AEW wants to cultivate as their own love, it's NXT.  My guess is Omega did it to bait people into responding to get attention for the brand, but to me, it's a 21st century version of cheap heat, no different than Eric Bischoff giving away finishes to matches.  It may elicit a reaction in the moment but it doesn't age well.  I'd prefer to see everyone stay above that and just put the best product on, but when you go to war, you try to win by any means necessary.  But, I wasn't a fan of him slagging on NXT's workers, no, especially since AEW would be the first to want to hire many of them if they were on the free market.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I enjoy old school shit talking but Omega really comes across like a complainer to me; Nothing about him seems cool.
Cool doesn't mean the same thing to you and me that it means to the new generation.  All the shit that used to get kids pushed into lockers when I was growing up (video games, anime, binge-watching TV shows on a Friday night before binge-watching was a thing) are now cool, and Omega and the AEW guys are into all that shit.  This is cool for the YouTube generation.  "Ric Flair cool" doesn't exist anymore, and considering how pathetic Ric Flair is now, I can't say that's a bad thing. 

Omega's trying to get a reaction, but the problem is he's already making exceptions and will wind up crying and apologizing within hours.  I give him credit for attempting trash talk in 2019, but in the age of Twitter it never goes well.  And the biggest marks are always behind the curtain and genuinely seem confused by it.Let's be honest - Flair really wasn't cool in 1985 either, it just seemed like he was.  Walking around looking like a million bucks all while not paying his taxes, cheating on his wife, walking out on his kids - that's the sign of a total piece of shit.  But we loved him, so he was the coolest of the cool.
Now Kenny Omega says something that he probably believes in his heart, and everybody has a problem with it?  Everybody needs to just tend to their own business and move on.  And Kenny Omega needs to shut the fuck up, because a large portion of the fan base that AEW is trying to draw doesn't give a rats ass about anybody on the roster that's not one of the VPs of the company, or Jericho and Mox.  And I am one of those people.   Not one person on this board is paying cash money to watch Darby Allin or Sammy Guevara.  You can say that you will, but you won't.  This company, which i've been really excited about because it's going to be an alternative to WWE, is already in trouble.  People absolutely LOVE what HHH has done with NXT.  If he is allowed to keep it up - and a job posting looking for writers for a "sports centric reality based program" lead me to believe that he will - a good number of the fans that AEW is looking for will think twice about what they are going to watch on Wednesdays.  WWE is throwing stupid money at people like Gallows, Anderson, etc. so that they won't leave.  AEW will be pulling from any indy roster that has a guy that WWE doesn't want, and they'll be pulling from ROH.  And the ROH fans will get mega pissed at that.  Unlike Madusa showing up on Nitro and shitcanning the Women's title, if an ROH guy pulled that shit on AEW programming, it would cause a revolt. 

I've been looking forward to AEW for a year.  I believed that it was going to be a great alternative, and a lot of fun.  I'm starting to think that Cody and the boys found the huge money mark that wrestlers have been looking for since the downfall of WCW and they are going to bleed every penny out of him that they can before jumping ship.  I truly hope that I am wrong, because there needs to be more safe places for the talent to work and actually get paid for their work.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I enjoy old school shit talking but Omega really comes across like a complainer to me; Nothing about him seems cool.
Cool doesn't mean the same thing to you and me that it means to the new generation.  All the shit that used to get kids pushed into lockers when I was growing up (video games, anime, binge-watching TV shows on a Friday night before binge-watching was a thing) are now cool, and Omega and the AEW guys are into all that shit.  This is cool for the YouTube generation.  "Ric Flair cool" doesn't exist anymore, and considering how pathetic Ric Flair is now, I can't say that's a bad thing. 

Omega's trying to get a reaction, but the problem is he's already making exceptions and will wind up crying and apologizing within hours.  I give him credit for attempting trash talk in 2019, but in the age of Twitter it never goes well.  And the biggest marks are always behind the curtain and genuinely seem confused by it.Let's be honest - Flair really wasn't cool in 1985 either, it just seemed like he was.  Walking around looking like a million bucks all while not paying his taxes, cheating on his wife, walking out on his kids - that's the sign of a total piece of shit.  But we loved him, so he was the coolest of the cool.
Now Kenny Omega says something that he probably believes in his heart, and everybody has a problem with it? 

When you grow up, is anyone cool?  Frank Sinatra and his ilk were pieces of shit.  All the '80s rockers seem pretty pathetic in retrospect.  And I don't think for one second that Omega believes what he's saying in his heart.  If he does, he's deluded.

I do think that firing shots at NXT like this is silly.  I get it, but it's silly.  NXT is pretty much the perfect company.  It's just a really tremendous blend of wrestling action, storytelling, and emotion to get you to care about these guys.  AEW can probably match the wrestling, but the storytelling and emotion is really lacking so far (although I'll wait until they have weekly TV to judge them).  

Everyone says it's impossible to get the fans in 2019 to care about anyone like they did in the '70s, but NXT has done it.  That's going to be a huge hurdle for AEW, and taking shots at guys the smart fans love like Gargano and Ciampa isn't going to help.  Vince counter-programming with NXT instead of anything WWE was brilliant fucking strategy to prevent this type of rhetoric and make AEW look bad for trying it.  Omega could shit on Reigns and Kingston all day long and no one would bat an eye, but the Internet doesn't like him talking shit about their indy heroes who happen to be under a WWE contract.  It's the smartest thing Vince has done since 2001.  Now, he needs to have the self-control to stay far away from NXT and not change a thing, but I have my doubts he can do that.  Doing nothing is Vince's key to victory here.  Don't give AEW the ammunition to pivot and say, "Well the NXT stars really are great but Vince ruined the booking so watch us instead."       

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SECOND AEW SERIES UNDER DISCUSSION AT WARNERMEDIA
by Mike Johnson @ 6:46 PM on 9/23/2019

A second All Elite Wrestling series is under discussion at WarnerMedia, according to TheWrap.com.  The series could be a studio show, according to their report.
Brett Weitz, the general manager of TNT, TBS and truTV, commented, “We are talking about it.  I don’t know if you’ve met Tony Khan, but he’s not short of ideas — or passion.  So there is a world where we’re thinking about ‘Where does something like that live?’ Knowing full well that within the WarnerMedia ecosystem we have B/R Live, we’ve got all these different components at our disposal.”
AEW's Dynamite debuts on Wednesday 10/2 on TNT.

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Booker T discussed Kenny Omega's shot at WWE NXT on his ESPN 97.5 radio show in Houston, TX yesterday, noting that Omega could have been in character and you have to ask when you should and shouldn't be in character. He questioned that when you are in character, "when shouldn't you be in character?" and asked whether you should be in character when you are talking to the media. Booker said that the job is to get people talking, as Booker did awhile back when he said he wished he could catch Corey Graves in a Starbucks, noting he didn't really mean that, but was in character, and got websites and fans talking.

Booker said Omega didn't really disrespect anyone and when Omega sees those talents down the line, he's just going to say he was working. He said, "When you a rock star, you gotta talk like that." He said you have to talk things up and make them bigger than they actually are.

Booker said he wouldn't have been offended if he was in WWE NXT. He said that it's a war and in war, "sometimes, there's friendly fire and casualties." He said that a shot was fired across the bow and he likes that, because "we" have to fire one back. He noted that means a larger, faster shot could be fired back with a "bigger boom."

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As I type, there are 3,433 tickets on StubHub for the Washington DC TV debut with a get in price of $6. That's not just one guy putting them up for that price in a desperate attempt to get rid of them. There are lots at and near that price. That is a lot of tickets considering the capacity of the venue and the expected crowd. For contrast, I attended Raiders-Vikings at US Bank Stadium this past Sunday and sold a pair of spare tickets on StubHub. With the same amount of time before that game as we are from AEW in DC, there were fewer Vikes tickets on sale via StubHub in a 66,500 capacity stadium than there are for a wrestling arena that's probably scaled in the 13,000 to 15,000 range.

For the Philadelphia taping, there are 2,378 tickets available with a get in price of $6, again there are lots in and around that price point.

The Boston card has 1,151 available, but the get in price there is $44.

The Pittsburgh taping has 975 tickets available with a $28 get in price. It's Peterson Events Center which is Pitt's basketball arena on campus. The capacity for hoops is 12,000 or so. With seat kills, it's probably closer to 8,000.

Charleston, WV has 841 tickets with a $34 get in. Charlotte, at the old arena that JCP used to run and where Flair beat Vader at Starrcade, there are 646 tickets with a $43 get in price. The Baltimore card has 1,188 on sale with a $40 get in at the same arena the WWE uses. Nashville has 489 with a $30 get in at Municipal Auditorium where 30 years ago Flair beat Steamboat and then got piledriven by Funk. They're going back to Chicago at the usual arena, but with a quicker turnaround; 1,195 tickets available with a $25 get in. That's all that's on the slate so far.

For that last batch of cards, I have no idea about capacities, set ups, and the number of tickets sold via the non third party market so far.

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For what it is worth, a lot of those early Nitros from the last few months of 1995 and farther into 1996 than you'd imagine had trouble drawing. More than one Nitro in that timeframe would do such things as not opening the upper deck, putting all the fans on the side shot by the hard camera while keeping seats empty on the side not shot by the camera, and putting the ring not at center ice/midcourt but rather at a blue line/free throw line to in effect use less of the arena. Raw used those tricks too. If AEW has some falling off in crowds once the StubHub speculators go away, it's not the seed of doom being planted. Hopefully the people in the promotion and the fans caught up in the wave won't take it too badly to heart if a lot of seats go empty this fall despite being sold and the promotion has to scale back buildings the next time through certain markets.

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AEW’s TV show will be rated TV-14, which isn’t a big surprise.

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srossi wrote: AEW’s TV show will be rated TV-14, which isn’t a big surprise.Thank God. But does anyone know if TNT still has a strict standards and practices like they did in the 1990's though? If so, that can be a problem.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: AEW’s TV show will be rated TV-14, which isn’t a big surprise.Thank God. But does anyone know if TNT still has a strict standards and practices like they did in the 1990's though? If so, that can be a problem.
I'm sure they do, and I'm sure in some ways it's much stricter in this PC age. 

As far as the hardcore matches, they need to limit these to PPV anyway, and only do a couple a year.  I know they have a few guys like Jimmy Havoc who are known for this shit, but I don't need to see thumbtacks and all the garbage wrestling every week.  It's already a bit of overkill with AEW and they haven't even started yet.

I do hope they can use a bit more adult language and "adult situations" though.  Even this should be kept in check to big angles and not over-used.  Just keep it more realistic to sound the way real humans actually talk (as opposed to WWE where no one sounds human), but they don't need to rely on profanity.  That's often a crutch in place of good storytelling, and AEW desperately needs to prove that they can tell stories and get characters not in The Elite over.

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Unlike movies, ratings are set by the shows themselves, not judged on their content by an outside body. You can say you are TV-14 just as a marketing gimmick without having to set your content to the upper bounds of what is acceptable in TV-14. I think it basically allows them to say that AEW isn't wrestling for kids.

Hopefully standards and practices ban that Japanese weirdo with the baby oil, though. There's no need for that.

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A quick scan of the online TV listing I use shows quite a few replays, including on sister networks...

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Well, the screenshot didn't work. Sorry.

TNT - Wed 10/2 - 8pm
         Wed 10/2 - 10pm
         Sat 10/5 - 10am (interesting)
         Sat 10/5 - 10:30pm
         Tue 10/8 - 1am

TBS - Mon 10/7 - 12:30am

TruTV - Wed 10/2 - 7pm (assuming this is the Countdown preview)
            Sun 10/6 - 12:30am
            Sun 10/6 - 12noon
            Tue 10/8 - 10pm

Last edited on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 05:35 pm by glc

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FYI that Smackdown is also about to get replayed on FS2 and several other FOX outlets several times each week, including on Tuesday nights (where Smackdown currently is). I'm not sure how important replays are in the age of DVRs, but there will be many opportunities to watch these shows now.

Last edited on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 06:02 pm by srossi

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All Elite Wrestling Dynamite's debut episode will air on ITV 4 in Great Britain on Sunday 10/6 at 8:20 with a shorter highlights episode airing on Monday 10/7 at 11:45 PM.

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srossi wrote: FYI that Smackdown is also about to get replayed on FS2 and several other FOX outlets several times each week, including on Tuesday nights (where Smackdown currently is). I'm not sure how important replays are in the age of DVRs, but there will be many opportunities to watch these shows now.

I just figured out the other day if I link my NBC app to my cable provider my son can watch Raw Tuesday in complete form. That’s probably old news but I’m not very tech savvy. 

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Huge news for Canada as AEW is about to announce that they will air live on TSN every week. Obviously this is a very big clearance for them.

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Confirmed as Jericho’s partners tomorrow night against Omega and the Young Bucks are LAX. This was announced on the preview show on TNT tonight.

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Last night's AEW Dynamite preview show on TNT drew 631,000 viewers, which is a damn strong number for just a preview with video packages. You'd think the actual show tonight could approach 2 million.

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AEW now has clearance in the UK as well, per Tony Khan's tweet today:

As I’d promised last week, we’ve been working with our friends at @ITV on scheduling to get free same day access to our weekly episodes of AEW Dynamite for our amazing UK fans via ITV Hub and a sooner free to air replay on ITV4. Thank you for your patience, here’s the great news

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Well here we go guys. 23 minutes to go.

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I don't know, but hearing J.R. and Tony's voices again makes me feel excited again.

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Meltzer reporting that the L.A. Times story on AEW today was the most viewed article on their website by far, beating even all the Trump stories as well as every other hard news and entertainment article. The Times was shocked.

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Chris Jericho was at the Rangers-Jets game last night and was wearing the AEW belt. When they showed him on the screen he got a nice pop...and was identified as “WWE Superstar”. Some things never change. It’s the ‘90s all over again.

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AEW tickets for Philly next week are on Groupon right now for $11 each.

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Here is the AEW StubHub report. This doesn't count what is still at box offices for general sale or what's on other third party, fan to fan ticket sites.

There only 230 tickets on sale at the moment for Boston tonight with a $27 get in price.

On the other hand, Philadelphia has 1,818 tickets on sale for the basketball arena at Temple, with a set up probably in the 7,000 to 7,500 range and a get in price of $6.

Pittsburgh on 10/23/19 has 879 tickets left with an $18 get in price. This arena holds 12,000 for Pitt basketball and is on campus. I'd venture after seat kills it will be more like 9,000.

On 10/30/19 Charleston Civic Center Coliseum. This West Virginia venue was used by Georgia, JCP, WCW, and the WWF. It has 806 tickets on sale with a $26 get in.

On 11/6/19 it's the old Charlotte Coliseum that later had many names and is now Bojangles Coliseum for a regional fast food chain. This is the historic venue JCP used and where Flair beat Vader at Starrcade as opposed to the massive building that opened in 1988, held 24,000, and had an insanely bad interior design that led to it being unsuitable for NBA games and then demolished after maybe 25 years. This place holds maybe 11,000 and will probably be set up for 8,000 to 8,500. There are 599 tickets on sale with a $43 get in price.

Baltimore has 1,109 on sale for the Full Gear PPV on 11/9/19 with presumably the full 11,000 or so set up and a $37 get in price.

Nashville has 647 on sale with a $30 get in price on 11/13/19. This is at Municipal Auditorium where Flair beat Steamboat and got jumped by Funk and where Harley Race took the table bump for Hogan on SNME. Concerts in the round with seating at the venue have a capacity of around 9,400. I don't know how many seat kills there will be.

On 11/20/19 in Indianapolis there are 752 tickets with a $26 get in price. This is at the State Fairgrounds Coliseum. There are 6,800 seats for hockey. I'd bet that once you deduct seat kills and add back floor seating the capacity would be in the 5,500 range.

Sears Centre Arena in suburban and almost exurban Chicago where All In and All Out were held has 1,085 tickets on sale with a $21 get in price for 11/27/19. All In drew 11,263 with All Out getting a rounded off 10,500. I assume the set up will be the same. This will be an interesting attendance mark to watch. The two big events had lots of internet fly in fans. Even with the start to the long holiday weekend on Thanksgiving eve, this card will presumably rely more on locals.

12/4/19 is in Champaign, IL at State Farm Center which is the corporate name for what was once called Assembly Hall. This is the basketball arena at the University of Illinois. There are 61 tickets on sale with a get in price of $52. I don't know the capacity. The arena is shaped like a circle and holds about 16,500 for hoops. It's hard to tell with seat kills due to the shape. This is another interesting attendance measuring stick for AEW because this is its first TV shoot in a non urban market. The entire metro area has about 230,000 residents. I assume students at the University of Illinois and Parkland College, which is a Juco that's residential and similar to a four year school rather than being a commuter school, are not included. If not, add in another 60,000 people.

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From Meltz:

"There is a chance that a portion of tonight's AEW show will not air on TNT tonight.

Today's St. Louis Cardinals vs. Atlanta Braves baseball playoff game starts at 5:02 p.m. Eastern and will air on TBS. There is also a Washington Nationals vs. Los Angeles Dodgers came on TBS scheduled to start at 8:37 p.m.

If the Cardinals game goes past 8:37 p.m., unlikely but possible, one of the two games would be put on TNT with the other on TBS until the Cardinals game ends.

To offset this, AEW is scheduled to air live on both TNT and Tru TV for the two hours, which, with airing on two stations, would increase the potential audience. If the Cardinals game goes long, there could be a period where TNT goes to baseball, and AEW would only air on Tru TV. But TNT would return to the AEW show from Boston as soon as the first game ends.

The complete two hour show will be replayed at 10 p.m. Eastern on TNT."


Considering the the first inning of the Cards -Braves game is 40 minutes in and still going as I type this, it's probably a given that part of the TNT broadcast will be interrupted tonight.

Cards-Braves ***SPOILER***


Cards up 10-0 bottom of the 1st.

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AEW DYNAMITE COULD SWITCH STATIONS TONIGHT
By Clint Novak on 2019-10-09 17:33:00
506 Sports, a TV Sports website, has tweeted that if the Braves/Cards Game 5 runs late tonight, and it starts at 5 pm, the Dodgers/Nationals Game 5 slated for 8 :30 pm will begin on TNT.

That will push AEW to TruTV, where it would air there in full.

This could be a major monkey wrench potentially in any Week 2 ratings data, given 3 of the games in the Braves/Cards series have run over 3 hours and 30 minutes.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Déjà vu
Of all teams too.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Déjà vu
Of all teams too.

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They've already added Jake Hager (Jack Swagger) to the opening montage. 


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Director Kevin Smith revealed he and long-time cohort Jay Mewes were supposed to appear on the debut of Friday Night Smackdown but were disinvited after appearing on the debut episode of AEW Dynamite. Smith noted he was invited to Dynamite by AEW Champion Chris Jericho, who will be one of the top villains in the forthcoming Jay & Silent Bob Reboot:

“The first casualty of the Wrestling War was Jay and Silent Bob.” - @AEWrestling Champion Chris Jericho. Watch me and my #JayAndSilentBobReboot co-star talk about what happened after @JayMewes and I appeared on the debut ep of @AEWonTNT! https://t.co/h0rI0Q9WJ7

— KevinSmith (@ThatKevinSmith) October 10, 2019

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Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

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So I never noticed this before I heard this last week on Jim Cornette's podcast.

Jim and his co-host Brian Last were reviewing the first AEW show and they goofed on the fact that Nick Jackson of The Young Bucks is going bald.

As I said, I never noticed him balding before, but OMG, when watching the show last night that is all I could focus on. He looks like one of the Elves from The Lord Of The Rings.

Freaking Cornette has ruined The Young Bucks for me lol. I will now focus on Nick's hairline. He should wear a headband like his brother Matt does. It would help his look tremendously. Unfortunately I do not think he has the type of body frame that would make a shaved head look good. I don't know what he will do in a couple more years. Maybe if he gets jacked on roids and tanned up he could rock the shaved head respectably.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

You need Flair obviously, which is possible given his lawsuit against WWE and his general ungratefulness and willingness to do anything for a buck.  But what the fuck would you possibly do with a Four Horsemen of Flair, Arn, and Tully in 2019?  Even if you try to give some young guys the rub with the name, I just don't see the value.  I think AEW is going to be just fine with the Inner Circle. 

If I was Conrad, I'd just design a bunch of shirts for ProWrestlingTees.com and profit off the name that way.  People would buy them. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

You need Flair obviously, which is possible given his lawsuit against WWE and his general ungratefulness and willingness to do anything for a buck.  But what the fuck would you possibly do with a Four Horsemen of Flair, Arn, and Tully in 2019?  Even if you try to give some young guys the rub with the name, I just don't see the value.  I think AEW is going to be just fine with the Inner Circle. 

If I was Conrad, I'd just design a bunch of shirts for ProWrestlingTees.com and profit off the name that way.  People would buy them. 
Conrad did it for Flair.  Now if WWE uses the name they need to pay him.  Maybe he will try to trademark WOOOOOOOO next.  And is Arn actually employed by them?  I don't know if he's a backstage hand or not, but it appears that Tully is since he traveled to Boston last night.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

You need Flair obviously, which is possible given his lawsuit against WWE and his general ungratefulness and willingness to do anything for a buck.  But what the fuck would you possibly do with a Four Horsemen of Flair, Arn, and Tully in 2019?  Even if you try to give some young guys the rub with the name, I just don't see the value.  I think AEW is going to be just fine with the Inner Circle. 

If I was Conrad, I'd just design a bunch of shirts for ProWrestlingTees.com and profit off the name that way.  People would buy them. 
Conrad did it for Flair.  Now if WWE uses the name they need to pay him.  Maybe he will try to trademark WOOOOOOOO next.  And is Arn actually employed by them?  I don't know if he's a backstage hand or not, but it appears that Tully is since he traveled to Boston last night.


Yes Arn officially works for AEW now.

I am surprised that WWE didn't have that trademark locked up already. Did they have it previously and lapsed on it when it came time to re-new?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

You need Flair obviously, which is possible given his lawsuit against WWE and his general ungratefulness and willingness to do anything for a buck.  But what the fuck would you possibly do with a Four Horsemen of Flair, Arn, and Tully in 2019?  Even if you try to give some young guys the rub with the name, I just don't see the value.  I think AEW is going to be just fine with the Inner Circle. 

If I was Conrad, I'd just design a bunch of shirts for ProWrestlingTees.com and profit off the name that way.  People would buy them. 
Conrad did it for Flair.  Now if WWE uses the name they need to pay him.  Maybe he will try to trademark WOOOOOOOO next.  And is Arn actually employed by them?  I don't know if he's a backstage hand or not, but it appears that Tully is since he traveled to Boston last night.


Yes Arn officially works for AEW now.

I am surprised that WWE didn't have that trademark locked up already. Did they have it previously and lapsed on it when it came time to re-new?
I would guess yes since they marketed the Ric Flair and The Four Horseman DVD in 2007.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Interesting stuff:

Conrad Thompson, via his company Toot Toot LLC, is now the owner of the Four Horsemen trademark for - Entertainment services, namely, wrestling exhibits and performances by a professional wrestler and entertainer.

Conrad Thompson isn't actually employed by AEW, but I think the fact that the Horsemen trademark is owned by someone decidedly aligned with the company is quite interesting. Especially with Tully and Arn on the company payroll. Will we see another Four Horsemen revival in AEW at some stage? Would anyone in 2019 even want to?

You need Flair obviously, which is possible given his lawsuit against WWE and his general ungratefulness and willingness to do anything for a buck.  But what the fuck would you possibly do with a Four Horsemen of Flair, Arn, and Tully in 2019?  Even if you try to give some young guys the rub with the name, I just don't see the value.  I think AEW is going to be just fine with the Inner Circle. 

If I was Conrad, I'd just design a bunch of shirts for ProWrestlingTees.com and profit off the name that way.  People would buy them. 
Conrad did it for Flair.  Now if WWE uses the name they need to pay him.  Maybe he will try to trademark WOOOOOOOO next.  And is Arn actually employed by them?  I don't know if he's a backstage hand or not, but it appears that Tully is since he traveled to Boston last night.

Flair via his LLC applied for the Wooo trademark in May of this year. It's still in process and has yet to be registered.

Conrad's entity applied in March. It also has yet to be registered.

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AEW has come to terms with Taz to be a commentator on at least one edition of AEW Dark when they are in Philly this week. They’ve promised he will also make an in-ring appearance, although its unclear if that will happen on Wednesday live or on Dark.  Taz appeared to be upset on Twitter that he wasn’t invited to the Smackdown premiere on FOX and now this.

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I listened to the first couple of Arn Anderson podcasts with Conrad this week. I was very pleasantly surprised. I have only ever heard Arn kayfabe, long after everyone else was happy to talk about the inner workings of the business. He's completely candid on this show, and his serious manner seems to have rubbed off on Conrad, and there's none of the goofy bullshit that I hated about the Bruce Prichard show. I was disappointed that Conrad didn't bring up the toupee incident, though.

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Kriss wrote: I listened to the first couple of Arn Anderson podcasts with Conrad this week. I was very pleasantly surprised. I have only ever heard Arn kayfabe, long after everyone else was happy to talk about the inner workings of the business. He's completely candid on this show, and his serious manner seems to have rubbed off on Conrad, and there's none of the goofy bullshit that I hated about the Bruce Prichard show. I was disappointed that Conrad didn't bring up the toupee incident, though.
The latest episode covering the "My Spot" promo and Arn's retirement may be the best and most insightful story of anything I've ever heard.. From the physical pain he endured and him seriously contemplating taking his own life to the pain and embarrassment he felt emotionally when the NWO did their parody mocking his speech and making him look like nothing but a drunk in front of his wife and kids. Very powerful stuff.

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Cody announced this afternoon that former ECW World Champion Taz will appear as a guest broadcaster on this Wednesday's AEW Dynamite TV taping, which will emanate from Philadelphia, a city he has a LOT of history. Taz will take part in calling bouts that will air on the 10/22 AEW Dark episode:

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One of the gimmicks a few I know have worked in the last few years. Is for people to trademark things they think WWE would want to use sometime in the future. When the time comes, they sell the rights of it to WWE for a good chunk of change.

A friend did this recently and got a nice 5 figure payday from it.

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Matt Farmer wrote: One of the gimmicks a few I know have worked in the last few years. Is for people to trademark things they think WWE would want to use sometime in the future. When the time comes, they sell the rights of it to WWE for a good chunk of change.

A friend did this recently and got a nice 5 figure payday from it.

I had friends who used to do this with registering domain names in the early 2000s. For the most part they wound up losing money. 

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All Elite Wrestling announced this afternoon that The Rock N' Roll Express, Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson, will appear on this Wednesday's edition of Dynamite.

The WWE Hall of Famers will present the AEW Tag Team Championship belts to the winners of the tournament final, which will feature The Lucha Brothers vs. SCU.

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bpickering wrote: All Elite Wrestling announced this afternoon that The Rock N' Roll Express, Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson, will appear on this Wednesday's edition of Dynamite.

The WWE Hall of Famers will present the AEW Tag Team Championship belts to the winners of the tournament final, which will feature The Lucha Brothers vs. SCU.

Aren't they the NWA Tag champs again?  Heel turn leading to a title vs. title match at the NWA PPV!

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I thought lattimer and the guy with the ultimate warrior boot fringe were the champs?

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Franchise wrote: I thought lattimer and the guy with the ultimate warrior boot fringe were the champs?

Spoiler alert!

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It is??? I saw them with the belts on POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs. 

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srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.By the time it airs, they'll be collecting Social Security.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.By the time it airs, they'll be collecting Social Security.

The R'n'R Express or viewers of the show?

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Dynamite had its first production fuck-up last night as the show did not end as planned. After the time limit draw between PAC and Moxley, Omega was supposed to hit the ring and the show would fade to black during a brawl. Omega missed a cue or was sent late, and the show obviously just ended with everyone standing around. They've been really, really good the first few weeks at not making mistakes like this, which hampers other companies all the time when they try to go live.  Tony Khan has been personally handling many of the time cues and has gotten rave reviews.

In other news, Dippin Dots tweeted a shout out to AEW after that awesome segment involving Jericho last night, and promised to make a "Rocky Rhodes" flavor.  Cody responded in thanks. 

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srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs.  God dammit Rossi. Not everyone here reads the websites for “insider” information. It ruins the viewing experience. And btw, that studio seats 253 people. Those are shoot numbers Rossi. SHOOT NUMBERS. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs.  God dammit Rossi. Not everyone here reads the websites for “insider” information. It ruins the viewing experience. And btw, that studio seats 253 people. Those are shoot numbers Rossi. SHOOT NUMBERS. Its great having you back!

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs.  God dammit Rossi. Not everyone here reads the websites for “insider” information. It ruins the viewing experience. And btw, that studio seats 253 people. Those are shoot numbers Rossi. SHOOT NUMBERS. 
Old school fans shouldn't be reading AEW threads.  Now you've caught the flippity-floppety disease and you got what you deserved.

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srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs.  God dammit Rossi. Not everyone here reads the websites for “insider” information. It ruins the viewing experience. And btw, that studio seats 253 people. Those are shoot numbers Rossi. SHOOT NUMBERS. 
Old school fans shouldn't be reading AEW threads.  Now you've caught the flippity-floppety disease and you got what you deserved.
I am not an “old school fan”. I am a fan of wrestling. Or the “business” as you call it. 

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srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: I guess it will air in the future so sorry for the spoiler, but it was all over the websites when it was taped.  Since they only have like 25 people there anyway, they should make them sign NDAs.  God dammit Rossi. Not everyone here reads the websites for “insider” information. It ruins the viewing experience. And btw, that studio seats 253 people. Those are shoot numbers Rossi. SHOOT NUMBERS. 
Old school fans shouldn't be reading AEW threads.  Now you've caught the flippity-floppety disease and you got what you deserved.
This week was extremely flippy floppy.  Hated that first match.  I like those two Lucha guys, they seem like badass Lucha killers but that match was flippy as all get out.  Too much.
Really other than the brawl with Cody and friends vs. Jerichos group, the show was fairly meh to me.  They NEED interviews,to build some story. Desperately 

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I gave AEW four weeks as a lapsed fan...
They drew me in the first week. They've lost me piece by piece the last three weeks.
I'm near being a lapsed fan once again.

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martini wrote: I gave AEW four weeks as a lapsed fan...
They drew me in the first week. They've lost me piece by piece the last three weeks.
I'm near being a lapsed fan once again.
I’m a lapsed fan too. I’ll keep watching for a while at least. I enjoy 50% of the AEW show so far and that’s 49.997% more than anything from Raw or Smackdown. The focus on the matches is nice. Never been a fan of 15 minute talking segments or silly attitude era type stuff. I’d love to see some more hard hitting wrestling. The flippy floppy shit is really impressive to see live but it looks so over the top phony on tv. I’m just looking for something that makes me proud to be a wrestling fan because the older I get, the more wrestling comes off as stupid and hokey to me. 

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Chris Jericho has applied for "Painmaker" and "The Inner Circle" trademarks. Note that these were not AEW filings, so Jericho will own them and be able to use them anywhere. He was using the "Painmaker" name in NJPW in his feud with Okada so that one pre-dates AEW.

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ESPN MMA reporter Marc Raimondi tweeted that Jake Hager will be accompanied to the cage by Inner Circle stablemates Sammy Guevara, Ortiz, and Santana tonight when he fights Anthony Garrett in the opening match of Bellator 231.  I hope there's a run in.  Hager skipped Dynamite this week as he was in fight camp.  The main event will be washed up UFC fighters Frank Mir vs. Roy Nelson.

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srossi wrote: ESPN MMA reporter Marc Raimondi tweeted that Jake Hager will be accompanied to the cage by Inner Circle stablemates Sammy Guevara, Ortiz, and Santana tonight when he fights Anthony Garrett in the opening match of Bellator 231.  I hope there's a run in.  Hager skipped Dynamite this week as he was in fight camp.  The main event will be washed up UFC fighters Frank Mir vs. Roy Nelson.I understand Bellator isn't UFC, so the people watching it may possibly be wrestling fans.  But I can totally see the people at Mohegan Sun saying "who the fook are those guys?"

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: ESPN MMA reporter Marc Raimondi tweeted that Jake Hager will be accompanied to the cage by Inner Circle stablemates Sammy Guevara, Ortiz, and Santana tonight when he fights Anthony Garrett in the opening match of Bellator 231.  I hope there's a run in.  Hager skipped Dynamite this week as he was in fight camp.  The main event will be washed up UFC fighters Frank Mir vs. Roy Nelson.I understand Bellator isn't UFC, so the people watching it may possibly be wrestling fans.  But I can totally see the people at Mohegan Sun saying "who the fook are those guys?"

People say that about all the assholes who come out with the fighters.  Some guys have entourages numbering in the millions.  The best was when Dan Severn came out with Al Snow and Dennis Carlouzzo wearing the NWA belt on one of the first UFC shows.

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It’s funny that in AEW they shit on Hager’s old gimmick but in Bellator he comes out to a “We The People” Titantron video. He came out to “Rooster” by Alice in Chains. He’s wearing an Inner Circle shirt and Guevara, Ortiz, and Santana got TV time. Announcer Mike Goldberg also gave Jericho a shout out. Now he just needs to win.

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Wow, Hager with 2 low blows in the 1st round and Anthony Garrett crumples to the mat in the fetal position and can’t continue. They ruled it unintentional so the fight is a no-contest and not a DQ. AEW should play it up as intentional though and try to salvage something from that debacle.

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Definitely, hopefully they play it up on next weeks show. 

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AEW announced that they have signed retired British boxer Anthony Ogogo. Ogogo won a bronze medal in the Olympics and was 11-1 as a pro. Ogogo was a bit of a B-level celebrity in England and appeared on the British versions of Big Brother and Dancing With the Stars.

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Jon Moxley cut a great intense in-ring promo last night, but they’ve only let him and Jericho do an unscripted in-ring promo so far, and we know they can do it already. If this whole “no writers” thing is going to take off, they really need to let a few of the round guys sink or swim. They’ll never be able to talk unless they try.

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srossi wrote: Jon Moxley cut a great intense in-ring promo last night, but they’ve only let him and Jericho do an unscripted in-ring promo so far, and we know they can do it already. If this whole “no writers” thing is going to take off, they really need to let a few of the round guys sink or swim. They’ll never be able to talk unless they try.

I think Cody will be alright, but yes I would really love to see Omega and The Young Bucks really give an intense promo to see where they are at.

I was kinda distracted when it happened, but didn't Adam Page have the mic?

I have no idea how long it went.

Instead of typing it all out again, here is what I posted about the episode over at WC a couple hours ago:

I was at my Dad's place when I watched it. He hasn't watched AEW before. He wasn't much interested in it early on, but came and sat down when the women's match started  , and absolutely loved the Jericho and Cody segment.I loved the show. Damn Dustin sold that attack well.The tag division is obviously booked by The Young Bucks and I agree with others that they have to start mixing up different styles. Every tag match is GO GO GO. People are going to start becoming less interested in that type of tag match every time I think. I rarely remember anything about spot fest matches, they are all a blur to me.The Lucha Brothers though, MAN they are something special.And, the directors of the AEW show are slick...did anybody notice the three little boys (and a little girl who was hugging her Mother most of the show)front row, center of the hard camera?I have a feeling it wasn't a coincidence and was carefully planned to have them in view. It gives the illusion that there are other people besides awkward, nerdy, smart mark, twenty-something males that go to AEW cards.Well done. AEW and NWA have made me again, loyally watch wrestling each week on TV.

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Adam Page basically said one line about how he was going to do “some cowboy shit” at the PPV. It was a line that got a nice pop, but it wasn’t a full promo.

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I have come to the conclusion that I mostly dislike the tag tournament in AEW and a lot of their tag teams.

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PWInsider:

The numbers are in for the fifth night of the Wednesday Night Wars and AEW has extended their streak to 5-0. But that is probably the only good news as both shows once again saw major slippage in their audience.

AEW Dynamite on TNT did 759,000 overnight viewers, down from the 963,000 that they did last week. They were down 21% from last week and down 46% since week one.

NXT on USA was down as well as they dropped to a series low 580,000 overnight viewers, down from last week's 698,000 viewers. They were down 17% from last week and down 51% since week one, which was unopposed.

Yes they went up against Game 7 of the World Series but still, it's concening. As I said last week, we still have not found the bottom yet for the Wednesday night audience

Date NXT Audience NXT People 18-49 Rating AEW AEW People 18-49 Rating
9/18/18 1,179,000 0.43 N/A N/A
9/25/19 1,006,000 0.32 N/A N/A
10/2/19 891,000 0.32 1,409,000 0.68
10/9/19* 790,000 0.22 1,140,000 0.46
10/16/19 712,000 0.20 1,014,000 0.44
10/23/19 698,000 0.21 963,000 0.45
10/30/19 580,000 0.18 759,000 0.33

*Note: On 10/9/19 AEW did 1,018,000 viewers on TNT and 122,000 on TruTV due to being simulcast because of the MLB playoffs.

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Oh my God, I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for Meltzer and Alvarez over this AEW love fest.


I am listening the WOR right now and they are talking about last night's show and could they not find ANYTHING good to say about NXT. Everything is glowing about AEW, even the shit women's matches they have, but it is nothing but criticism for NXT.


It's getting worse with Dave. I guess he is "All In" on his bias with AEW and doesn't even care anymore whether people hear it or not.

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Is there a slave gimmick with slave chains in AEW or NXT?

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Wednesday Night War Week 5:

AEW - 822,000 viewers, up 70,000 from last week
NXT - 813,000 viewers, up 260,000 from last week

No World Series competition and a weak season of Survivor on CBS really helped the ratings last night.

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Portalesman wrote: Is there a slave gimmick with slave chains in AEW or NXT?
In AEW, Chris Jericho has made Jack Swagger his slave.


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Portalesman wrote: Is there a slave gimmick with slave chains in AEW or NXT?
In NXT they are all slaves to Vince.

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Portalesman wrote: Is there a slave gimmick with slave chains in AEW or NXT?I think there is a darkie bob chain slave deal on AEW or NXT?

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broke wrote: NXT Wimmens > AEW Wimmens
This is clearly true. 

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srossi wrote: broke wrote: NXT Wimmens > AEW Wimmens
This is clearly true. 
 No argument here.

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I loved the brawl at the end of Dynamite this week involving everyone on the PPV. Everyone is in an inter-connected feud like the old days of the NWA and everything ties together, which is also a great way to have mid-carders and main eventers side-by-side. In WWE, everything exists in a silo and no one ever seems to interact outside of the one feud of the month.  There’s also no comparison between crowd reactions. Raw sounds like a funeral compared to Dynamite. 

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srossi wrote: I loved the brawl at the end of Dynamite this week involving everyone on the PPV. Everyone is in an inter-connected feud like the old days of the NWA and everything ties together, which is also a great way to have mid-carders and main eventers side-by-side. In WWE, everything exists in a silo and no one ever seems to interact outside of the one feud of the month.  There’s also no comparison between crowd reactions. Raw sounds like a funeral compared to Dynamite. 

Completely agree. I also like the way that AEW have managed to make the PPV as special as a PPV can be in 2019 (personally I think PPV wrestling's time is coming to an end). We have rarely seen the top guys meet each other in the ring, and then only fleetingly in tag matches.

The Inner Circle vignette was brilliant. It was laugh-out-loud funny, but it also fed into the story that Jericho isn't taking this seriously and Cody is. The line about Jericho being, at 48, the youngest ever AEW champion was classic.

It's bad form to criticise this or NXT at the moment. Not only are they the best wrestling on TV/interwebs at the moment, but they are both essential viewing. But, this being the interwebs, here are my criticisms of AEW at the moment:

I have no problem at all with Riho as the women's champion. She fits right into the mid-set of AEW and most of their fans. I think this is a new evolution of wrestling I Understand why older fans may not like it. I think they are going with the idea that, if the fans know that wrestling is a performance (fake if you want) then they can present a different product. No need for selling or old-school psychology, they are just there to entertain the fans with crazy moves, bizarre comedy, and whatever else they want. If you are complaining that Riho is too small to be believable as champ, this isn't the wrestling show for you. Witness the crowd's reaction to Orange Cassidy's kicks to PAC on Wednesday, they loved it, so it works for a lot of people not named James E. Cornette. Having said that, the women's division is weak. Britt Baker is doctor, a dentist. OK... so what? I'm not getting the Freddie Mercury gimmick. When I first saw Emi Sakura in AEW, I thought she was going to be different people for each show, which would have been cool, but this is just weird, and she struggles to get the fans into her "We Will Rock You" gimmick. But, whatever, it's a lower mid-card title at the moment.

I enjoyed the tag team tournament, but the Young Bucks vs LAX seems more important than the tag title match tomorrow night, which isn't how it should be. Private Party, while they can pull off some decent aerial offence, just aren't very good wrestlers yet. They need more training and practice.

Hangman Page is boring. I just don't see anything in him. They need to develop his character a lot, because, amongst all the great talent in AEW, his in-ring work doesn't stand out, and he's getting lost in the shuffle.

Shawn Spears is a very lucky man. He is bang average, and there's no way that AEW would sign him today. It was a good news story at the time, but the only thing about Tye Dillinger that was over was his "10" gimmick. He peaked during his Royal Rumble debut entrance, but there is nothing once you look past that.  

But this is all just me just me splitting hairs. AEW is four stars or better every week, and is light years ahead of Raw and Smackdown, a lot due to the fact that the guys are clearly having fun out there. I don't think Seth Rollins has had fun in a wrestling ring for about five years.

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Agree with all of the above except I like Hangman. Jericho vignette was gold and we got a Virgil cameo! The best part were the close-ups of Hager saying nothing (and he never should). This is easily Jericho’s best work since the Shawn Michaels feud many years ago. He did not look great in NJPW but he’s doing much better now. 

The most important thing is that everyone in AEW is clearly having the time of the lives and no one seems scared. On Raw, everyone is terrified. If you don’t think so, listen to a promo by anyone currently under contract and then listen to a promo when any of the legends come back. The legends just talk. The current WWE guys are scared to death of saying one word wrong. In AEW without scripts to memorize or Vince to chew them out backstage, they’re just hitting it out of the park on every promo. But they still need to give more mic time to much of the roster because the guys killing it on the mic of all the veterans who have been dying for years for a chance to cut unscripted promos. Can the kids do it?

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AEW is doing a better booking job than the WWE right now and comes off as something fresh and new, with good reason since it has only been on the air for a month or so. The promotion also has the WWF 1998-2000 thing going in which the promotion is so hot and the top guys and angles are so over that it creates a wave that sweeps the entire promotion forward. There was plenty of underneath stuff in the WWF from 1998 to 2000 that today wouldn't stand a chance but back then fans ate up and of which they now have cherished memories, because the Austin/Rock/McMahon show was on fire and it took everything else for the ride. AEW is now in that spot. Everything is over and they're riding the wave.

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FWIW, despite one having blond hair, the other with dark hair, Orange (Pockets) Cassidy and Niners coach Kyle Shanahan look like twin brothers from different mothers.

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I just want to point out that when Cassidy hit his comedy kicks on PAC, PAC just stood there (I’ve never seen anyone in AEW sell them) and then blasted Cassidy with a brutally stiff kick that Cassidy sold like it killed him. Why Cornette would have a problem with shit like this I have no idea other than the fact that he’s an overly serious cunt who forgets that he’s participated in dozens of embarrassing and business-exposing moments over the past few decades that eclipse anything that Cassidy could ever dream of. 

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I thought the Pac-Cassidy spot was great, myself. One of the highlights of the night and the crowd absolutely ate it up!

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Heenan Fan wrote: I thought the Pac-Cassidy spot was great, myself. One of the highlights of the night and the crowd absolutely ate it up!

I loved seeing his head kicked off too, but I ask, where does this whole Orange Cassidy thing go?

How many more times can he just do this same deal before the novelty wears off?

I never heard of him before he started showing up on the All Elite ppvs and TV. Is this all he has?

I have attempted to to watch two of his indie matches on YouTube and once you get past the kick and chop spot he has nothing much going on. He's nothing special in the ring and besides his bread and butter spot he really doesn't show me too much charisma. Now granted I love watching him make a fool of himself and seeing guys like PAC destroy him, but I fear he doesn't have much of a future.

And WOW NXT really got a bump this week after the SD angle didn't they?
I was even impressed with AEW getting the increase they did after consistently losing viewers each week. I am looking forward to their ppv tomorrow night.

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Cassidy does full matches including insane high spots like this. It has to be sent to be believed. The athletic ability it takes to do the spots he does the way he does them is beyond anything I’ve ever seen. Give it a chance. He’s just being introduced.

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I agree with you on Orange Cassidy. They need to give the character more depth. Maybe a backstory that he's not all there because of a car accident with head trauma, or he's mentally ill? Otherwise, like you said, he has a short shelf life.

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srossi wrote: Cassidy does full matches including insane high spots like this. It has to be sent to be believed. The athletic ability it takes to do the spots he does the way he does them is beyond anything I’ve ever seen. Give it a chance. He’s just being introduced.His dive wearing tight jeans with his hands in his pockets is one of the most impressive things I've seen in a wrestling ring since Sensational Sherri Martel perfectly ran the ropes and took Hogan's big boot - while wearing high heels. I can't see how broads even walk around in those things, let alone run the ropes.

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My AEW criticism of the week would be how come Tully Blanchard and MJF never cut promos? Ridiculous.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Cassidy does full matches including insane high spots like this. It has to be sent to be believed. The athletic ability it takes to do the spots he does the way he does them is beyond anything I’ve ever seen. Give it a chance. He’s just being introduced.His dive wearing tight jeans with his hands in his pockets is one of the most impressive things I've seen in a wrestling ring since Sensational Sherri Martel perfectly ran the ropes and took Hogan's big boot - while wearing high heels. I can't see how broads even walk around in those things, let alone run the ropes.

If you like the Chikara-style comedy wrestling, there's a very funny match between Orange Cassidy and Jervis Cottonbelly on YouTube.



There are strong rumours that Cassidy was Fire Ant in Chikara. If that is true, he's an above average wrestler, which I guess you need to be to do what he does.

The Cassidy gimmick is that he's just extremely lazy. They could work an angle where he eventually is forced or given a reason to fight, maybe the Best Friends will really need his help one day. It's a very slow burn, which is fine by me.

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srossi wrote: I just want to point out that when Cassidy hit his comedy kicks on PAC, PAC just stood there (I’ve never seen anyone in AEW sell them) and then blasted Cassidy with a brutally stiff kick that Cassidy sold like it killed him. Why Cornette would have a problem with shit like this I have no idea other than the fact that he’s an overly serious cunt who forgets that he’s participated in dozens of embarrassing and business-exposing moments over the past few decades that eclipse anything that Cassidy could ever dream of. I just want to point out that it’s all fake phony bullshit Rossi. Being legit pissed about what someone else who has previously been involved in fake phony bullshit thinks of current fake phony bullshit is fucking SILLY. And taking fake phony bullshit wrestling characters/personas seriously is even sillier. PAC is a fake phony bullshit character. Orange Cassidy is a fake phony bullshit character. Jim Cornette is a fake phony bullshit character. 

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So you think I’m taking it seriously based on a few message board posts but Cornette isn’t when he dedicates his whole life to this?  I don’t fucking care. 

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AEW's return to pay-per-view for Full Gear at Baltimore's State Farm Arena felt, in many ways, like "another AEW effort." That is, until the final two matches of the night brought a unique approach that only AEW can truly deliver with a lack of the restrictions imposed on WWE efforts and the elite level talents on the All Elite Wrestling roster.

Cody came up short in a war with AEW champion Chris Jericho, suffering the humiliation of MJF not only throwing in the towel as Jericho locked in the Lion Tamer but also seeing his best friend turn on him with a low blow after the conclusion of the match. In the main event "lights out" match between Kenny Omega and Jon Moxley, seemingly every variety of weapon was brought into play before Moxley finally got the win over Omega in a violent, blood-filled battle to settle their months-old issues.

Britt Baker def. Bea Priestly via submission: This was, while still shaky at times, Baker's best showing in AEW in large part due to the efforts of Priestley. Baker went for Lockjaw early but couldn't quite lock it in. Priestly hit some big, flashy spots before Baker was finally able to get Lockjaw clinched for the tap. After the match, Brandi Rhodes and Awesome Kong came out and attacked Priestley. The duo cut off a chunk of Priestley's hair after a brief attack and walked off. Grade: C

Santana & Ortiz def. The Young Bucks via pinfall: Chaos reigned from the opening bell with all four men going at it in and out of the ring before settling back into a standard tag match. In an early highlight, Santana and Ortiz locked both Jacksons up in a combination Boston Crab, Gory Special and Camel Clutch. The Bucks spent a lot of the match attacking the non-legal man to keep things flowing in their direction, which eventually backfired when Nick missed a kick and hit the ring post. He would sell the leg injury from kicking the post the rest of the match, including crashing to the canvas while trying to hit the springboard for the Meltzer Driver down the finishing stretch. Santana blew his nose at the Rock 'n' Roll Express, who were seated ringside, calling back to Proud -n- Powerful's power bombing Ricky Morton through the stage on Dynamite. Santana & Ortiz hit the Street Sweeper on Nick to get the victory. A more traditional tag match than some may have expected between the two, but still good, technical action.

Following the match, Sammy Guevara came to the ring to celebrate and join in the beatdown on the Jacksons. As they were about to use a sock full of baseballs, The Express ran in to make the save with Morton hitting a Destroyer and a suicide dive. Grade: B

Adam "Hangman" Page def. PAC via pinfall: There was some nasty, physical action in this one. Page hit a big suicide dive early on but the tables turned when PAC whipped him in the face using the ring ropes. Page hit a huge moonsault dive to the outside but Page came back with a brainbuster on the chair on the outside. The match became a series of high-impact moves from both men, including a top rope fallaway slam from Page into a reverse German suplex from PAC right into a powerbomb from Page. As Page tried to lock in the Deadeye, PAC countered into the Brutalizer. Page escaped the hold, PAC missed the Black Arrow and Page drilled him with a forearm and clothesline before hitting PAC with Deadeye for the win. Grade: B

Shawn Spears def. Joey Janela via pinfall: Janela came out hard, attacking Spears before even removing his jacket. Spears caught Janela as he tried a cross body to the outside, turning it into a powerslam. Spears tied Janela's hair to the corner tag rope, forcing Janela to rip a chunk of hair out to escape after briefly taking a beating. Janela took several big spills in the match, even when getting his offense in which included a flipping senton dive from the top rope. Spears hit the C-4 death valley driver after using an exposed turnbuckle and a spike piledriver with the help of Tully Blanchard to get the victory. A slight step down from the previous two matches, but still quality stuff. Grade: B-

AEW Tag Team Championship -- SCU (c) def. Private Party & Lucha Bros. via pinfall to retain the titles: The early part of the match was surprisingly clunky, with spots not quite going off smoothly. Once the action settled down, the action smoothed out into the kind of constant action fans would expect from these six men. That action included the kind of dive-after-dive spot necessary in a match featuring an impressive collection of high fliers. Private Party had a good near fall after Marq Quen hit a 450 splash. Moments after Kazarian kicked out, they hit Isiah Kassidy with the SCU Later for the victory. Lucha Bros went on the attack after the match, and as Pentagon was about to hit a package piledriver on the chair, the lights went out. When they came back, Christopher Daniels attacked the Lucha Bros and ran them off while dressed like Pentagon. Grade: B-

AEW Women's Championship -- Riho def. Emi Sakura via pinfall to retain the title: Teacher vs. student. Speed vs. Power. All the things you'd expect from a match between these two, with Riho looking to outpace the older, larger Sakura. At this point in the show, the dead crowd is starting to affect the way matches are coming across on the broadcast. Sakura hit a vicious cross body on Riho in the corner. Sakura also turned up her heel work as the match went on, raking the back and mocking referee Bryce Remsburg for intervening. Riho came back after a flurry of big moves and quick pinfall attempts by Sakura to hit a tilt-a-whirl into a pin to retain her championship. Good stuff from both women in a very solid showcase for the champion. Grade: B+

AEW World Championship -- Chris Jericho (c) def. Cody via corner stoppage to retain the title: Arn Anderson, Dean Malenko and The Great Muta were judges for the match, set to determine a winner should the match reach the 60-minute time limit. MJF was in Cody's corner while Jericho was seconded by Jake Hager. The match started with a slow pace, teasing the men would go the distance. Rhodes was busted open early after missing a dive and hitting his face on the entrance ramp. Cody also sold a rib injury from the dive as Jericho alternated focus between the cut over Cody's eye and attacking the ribs. Cody's mom got involved at ringside, yelling "f--k you" in Jericho's face as he taunted her. The distraction was enough for Cody to take over on offense and attack with a figure four. Hager got involved, landing a pair of right hands on Cody before he was ejected from ringside. In retaliation, he attacked MJF, tossing him into the guardrail. Using the distraction, Jericho laid out Cody with the championship belt. Cody was able to kick out. Cody countered the Judas Effect into Cross Rhodes, but the champ kicked out on the near fall. Jericho eventually removed his weight belt and whipped Cody several times. Cody escaped from the Liontamer once, but when it was locked in the second time, including a few stomps to the head, MJF threw in the towel to save Cody, giving Jericho the win after a tremendous effort from both men. After the match, an emotional MJF apologized to Cody before hitting him with a low blow before walking off. Grade: A-

Unsanctioned, Lights Out Match -- Jon Moxley def. Kenny Omega via pinfall: This was not a wrestling match, it was a brawl featuring spots you'd expect from a death match card. Moxley opened up fast, blasting Omega with punches. Omega fired right back with shots of his own. They were quick to move the brawl out to the crowd, with Omega landing a flying stomp to a trash can on Moxley's abdomen. When the action returned to the ring, Moxley grabbed the barbed wire bat from under the ring, using it on the back of Omega and drawing blood. Moxley also raked Omega's arm with the bat to escape a snap dragon suplex. Omega came back with a piledriver on a trash can before grabbing -- and then throwing away -- the bat. He then left the ring to retrieve a table and the barbed wire broom, hitting Moxley in the head with it and drawing significant blood from the neck and back of Moxley.

After the barbed wire assault left Moxley bleeding from the side of his face, Omega grabbed a board covered with mousetraps. The plan backfired as Omega was slammed on the board. Moxley brought out chains, slamming Omega on them repeatedly before placing one in the mouth of Moxley and wrenching back with a submission. After Moxley brought an ice pick into the ring, Omega fought back, eventually hanging Moxley from the side of the ring by the neck using the chain. Omega then brought out a bag of broken glass from the table Moxley had driven him through weeks ago. Omega hit a powerbomb into the glass but still couldn't get a pin. Moxley then had to crawl through broken glass to escape a Sharpshooter. After using the ice pick on the forehead of Moxley, Omega called out The Young Bucks and Adam Page, demanding they bring out a net of barbed wire. Moxley suplexed Omega into the barbed wire, with both men landing in the netting. After they were assisted out, Omega hit a V-Trigger through the Full Gear set. They ended up back in the ring, with Moxley hitting the Paradigm Shift in the glass, but again finding himself unable to get the pin. Moxley then cut away the padding on the ring apron. Omega missed a Phoenix Splash, landing on the exposed wood. Moxley followed up with a Paradigm Shift to get the pinfall. A spot fest, pure and simple, but one that paid off a lengthy program between Moxley and Omega. Grade: A-

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How long is Luchasaurus out with his injury?

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carpetbeggar wrote: How long is Luchasaurus out with his injury?

Welp, I guess I was a couple minutes premature. lol He's out there kicking ass right now.

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My wife is laughing at this MJF - Chris Jericho Promo

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Principal_Raditch wrote: My wife is laughing at this MJF - Chris Jericho Promo
That was phenomenal. Best promo segment of the year, surpassing only a previous Jericho promo in AEW. MJF is a star. 

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That was a really fun show. One of the best episodes of AEW top to bottom with some different names getting a chance to be highlighted.

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I did not like the Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega PPV match. It went too long and that kind of garbage wrestling does not appeal to me. I also feel like they went to the gimmick match too soon and leave themselves nowhere to go with this feud from here, assuming it goes on.

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tamalie wrote: I did not like the Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega PPV match. It went too long and that kind of garbage wrestling does not appeal to me. I also feel like they went to the gimmick match too soon and leave themselves nowhere to go with this feud from here, assuming it goes on.

They been feuding for 5 months now....where else can they go

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tamalie wrote: I did not like the Jon Moxley vs. Kenny Omega PPV match. It went too long and that kind of garbage wrestling does not appeal to me. I also feel like they went to the gimmick match too soon and leave themselves nowhere to go with this feud from here, assuming it goes on.

I agree. Moxley is really killing it right now with his new attitude, but I think he needs to get away from that garbage style. It seems like every match he's had since leaving WWE he has had a table spot (and not announce table, which I would be okay with). I hate when guys get in a match and start looking under the apron for tables, ladders and other garbage.

There is just something off with the overall psychology of how he is putting his matches and angles together. It was the same thing with the last ppv match he had with Joey Janela. That style of match has been played out for almost 20 years. He should just stick to the rough and tumble, Stan Hansen, Vader, Bruiser Brody, Steve Austin shtick. A chair, announce/timekeepers table and ring bell should be enough. Leave that "outlaw mud show" garbage shit to Ian Rotten and company in Bumblefuck, Indiana. :-))

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Everything I’ve heard is that Moxley is basically booking himself and just really, really wants to get back to the crazy shit he did in CZW and even top it. This is what he’s been craving for years and now he’s free to do it. He wanted Lesnar to do some of this shit with him at WM to make that a memorable match and Lesnar had no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum even if it was Moxley taking the bumps. This is just his mindset and why he left WWE. He’s not the guy who’s going to take his money and be happy. He’s a different kind of guy. Reading Renee Young’s tweets during his matches is a little fun and a little sad because she’s totally freaking out and everyone knows he’s putting his quality of life in jeopardy when he doesn’t need to in order to get over.

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I loved the MJF promo this week. Phenomenal. Not a fan of the little boy and the tranny though. I think Jericho is gaining 5 pounds every week. 

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srossi wrote: Everything I’ve heard is that Moxley is basically booking himself and just really, really wants to get back to the crazy shit he did in CZW and even top it. This is what he’s been craving for years and now he’s free to do it. He wanted Lesnar to do some of this shit with him at WM to make that a memorable match and Lesnar had no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum even if it was Moxley taking the bumps. This is just his mindset and why he left WWE. He’s not the guy who’s going to take his money and be happy. He’s a different kind of guy. Reading Renee Young’s tweets during his matches is a little fun and a little sad because she’s totally freaking out and everyone knows he’s putting his quality of life in jeopardy when he doesn’t need to in order to get over.

The problem I have with all that is if Moxley was concerned with the money anymore and all that nonesense why didn't he go work for CZW, Ian Rotten(joking), Big Japan, or some wrestling company that specializes in garbage wrestling. We'll see how hardcore he is.

If she was that concerned during his matches, why is she tweeting during them?(again just joking). I don't blame her for freaking out, she probably doesn't want her husband looking like a burn victim and talking and drooling like a dummy five years after leaving the WWE.

The more AEW keeps going, the more I think Tony Khan is a bigger mark than I thought. I'm liking AEW now, but I'm concerned for the future if he starts letting the inmates run the asylum too much.

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Everything I’ve heard is that Moxley is basically booking himself and just really, really wants to get back to the crazy shit he did in CZW and even top it. This is what he’s been craving for years and now he’s free to do it. He wanted Lesnar to do some of this shit with him at WM to make that a memorable match and Lesnar had no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum even if it was Moxley taking the bumps. This is just his mindset and why he left WWE. He’s not the guy who’s going to take his money and be happy. He’s a different kind of guy. Reading Renee Young’s tweets during his matches is a little fun and a little sad because she’s totally freaking out and everyone knows he’s putting his quality of life in jeopardy when he doesn’t need to in order to get over.

The problem I have with all that is if Moxley was concerned with the money anymore and all that nonesense why didn't he go work for CZW, Ian Rotten(joking), Big Japan, or some wrestling company that specializes in garbage wrestling. We'll see how hardcore he is.


If you want to do garbage wrestling, AEW is the best place to do it. You get paid, the crowd is big, you get a week until your next match, and you only have to do one garbage match a month at the very, very most. It's not like he's Jun Kasai doing the most grotesque matches for 20 years and looking like a carnival freak, or wrestling for CZW in a field in Deleware where there are more people on the card than in the crowd.

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Kriss wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Everything I’ve heard is that Moxley is basically booking himself and just really, really wants to get back to the crazy shit he did in CZW and even top it. This is what he’s been craving for years and now he’s free to do it. He wanted Lesnar to do some of this shit with him at WM to make that a memorable match and Lesnar had no interest in doing anything but the bare minimum even if it was Moxley taking the bumps. This is just his mindset and why he left WWE. He’s not the guy who’s going to take his money and be happy. He’s a different kind of guy. Reading Renee Young’s tweets during his matches is a little fun and a little sad because she’s totally freaking out and everyone knows he’s putting his quality of life in jeopardy when he doesn’t need to in order to get over.

The problem I have with all that is if Moxley was concerned with the money anymore and all that nonesense why didn't he go work for CZW, Ian Rotten(joking), Big Japan, or some wrestling company that specializes in garbage wrestling. We'll see how hardcore he is.


If you want to do garbage wrestling, AEW is the best place to do it. You get paid, the crowd is big, you get a week until your next match, and you only have to do one garbage match a month at the very, very most. It's not like he's Jun Kasai doing the most grotesque matches for 20 years and looking like a carnival freak, or wrestling for CZW in a field in Deleware where there are more people on the card than in the crowd.


I agree, I was just referencing what rossi said he heard about Moxley wanting to top the crazy shit he did back in CZW.

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AEW: 957,000 this week, big rise from the 822,000 last week

NXT: 750,000, down from last week's 813,000

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Heenan Fan wrote: AEW: 957,000 this week, big rise from the 822,000 last week

NXT: 750,000, down from last week's 813,000

Very good number for AEW and those viewers got to see a good show. 

I wonder how many WWE fans are just choosing to continue to watch NXT on WWE Network on delay rather than on USA live. The NXT numbers on USA are actually really disappointing, and those numbers are with WWE crossover and Survivor Series build. 

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In 2019, I don't think people are choosing which show to watch, but just how and when. Going head to head was not the best move. NXT is much easier to watch at your leisure, so more people will watch AEW live. If they weren't going head to head, both shows would be drawing 1.5M.

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AEW Announces Nine-Day “Bash at the Beach” Fan Extravaganza

-- Two Dynamite shows on Land & Sea Plus Nine Outrageous Days of Wrestling, Special Events, Live Music and Non-Stop Action from Miami to the Bahamas --

MIAMI, FL (Nov. 18, 2019) -- AEW today announced “Bash at the Beach,” an unprecedented, nine-day experience for superfans that features two Dynamite shows, a cruise onboard Chris Jericho’s tricked-out party ship, and non-stop entertainment in between.

The adventure begins on Wednesday, Jan. 15, when AEW Dynamite takes over the Watsco Center at the University of Miami for a Bash at the Beach themed episode, and continues with Chris Jericho’s Rock ‘N’ Wrestling Rager at Sea, sailing round-trip from Miami to Nassau, Bahamas, on Jan. 20-24.

High-octane bouts with the biggest names from AEW will be filmed from Jericho’s sold-out Norwegian Pearl ship, including the Jan. 22 episode of Dynamite on TNT. The history-making event will be bubbling with exclusive opportunities to meet AEW’s star-studded roster, as well as non-stop wrestling, rock ‘n’ roll, live podcasts, paranormal explorations, talent-hosted activities, autograph sessions, parties and more.

“AEW’s Bash at the Beach events will deliver nine unforgettable days of wrestling and much more from the hottest company in the business today,” said Chris Jericho. “Thousands of the Friends Of Jericho onboard the SOLD OUT ‘Rock N Wrestling Rager At Sea’ will have the experience of their lives, and now millions more will be able to watch AEW Dynamite along with us, as we break out the bubbly together from Miami to the Bahamas.”

Tickets for the Jan. 15 Bash at the Beach show in Miami go on sale this Friday, Nov. 22, at noon ET. Tickets for the show will be available for purchase exclusively at http://www.AEWTIX.com. For your chance to join the party at sea, sign up for the waitlist at http://www.chrisjerichocruise.com.

About AEW AEW is a new professional wrestling promotion headlined by members of The Elite (Cody & Brandi Rhodes, Matt & Nick Jackson, Kenny Omega and Hangman Page) and Chris Jericho and Jon Moxley. For the first time in many years, AEW is offering an alternative to mainstream wrestling, with a growing roster of world-class male and female wrestlers who are poised to bring new spirit, freshness and energy to the industry. The inaugural event under the AEW banner was DOUBLE OR NOTHING in Las Vegas, followed by FYTER FEST in Daytona Beach, FIGHT FOR THE FALLEN in Jacksonville, ALL OUT in Chicago, and FULL GEAR in Baltimore. AEW is broadcasting two-hour weekly shows on TNT (U.S.) on Wednesdays from 8 to 10 p.m. ET. The action-packed matches take place in different cities across the nation each Wednesday. For more info, check out @AEWrestling (Twitter), @AllEliteWrestling (Instagram), /AllEliteWrestling (FB), AllEliteWrestling (YouTube).

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I think I'll pass on that nine day sausage party.


Could you imagine being stuck on a ship with those AEW, smart mark cretins for that long?

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If Brandi's friends are half as hot as she is, I'm in. No pun(s) intended.

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Did Britt Baker just flat-back bump herself and put herself into pinning position?

Someone needs to have a talk with Omega and convince him that this women's division that he supposedly has a hand in booking just ain't working out.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Did Britt Baker just flat-back bump herself and put herself into pinning position?

Someone needs to have a talk with Omega and convince him that this women's division that he supposedly has a hand in booking just ain't working out.

The women are a huge weakness in AEW. WWE has all the good ones except for Tessa Blanchard. Let’s face it, there’s not as many females out there who can do this at a high level and WWE has the monopoly on them. ROH is facing the same problem. MLW is about to start a women’s division and there’s literally no good ones left. Other companies need to take a step back and let WWE have this one. But if they try to, the SJWs will target them. 

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I thought that Dark Order vignette would have been funnier if those two guys had of stripped that fat guy in the subway down, whipped him with a belt and then poured honey and chicken feathers all over him. That would definitely give the show that Mid-South vibe that Tony Khan is looking for.

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srossi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Did Britt Baker just flat-back bump herself and put herself into pinning position?

Someone needs to have a talk with Omega and convince him that this women's division that he supposedly has a hand in booking just ain't working out.

The women are a huge weakness in AEW. WWE has all the good ones except for Tessa Blanchard. Let’s face it, there’s not as many females out there who can do this at a high level and WWE has the monopoly on them. ROH is facing the same problem. MLW is about to start a women’s division and there’s literally no good ones left. Other companies need to take a step back and let WWE have this one. But if they try to, the SJWs will target them. 

They need to find a way to hide their weaknesses as much as they can if they are going to put them on their show. They have Awesome Kong, use her.

Oh cool, Bart Gunn  is in the Battle Royal. *edit** I mean Billy Gunn

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Oh lord...Outlaw Mud Show time.


Billy Gunn is playing the Andre role in this. He is so much bigger than all the rest.

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Lots of empty seats this week. Attendance seems to be dwindling.

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Lots of empty seats this week. Attendance seems to be dwindling.
I don't know, that shot they just showed behind Tony and J.R. looked like it was pretty full.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Lots of empty seats this week. Attendance seems to be dwindling.
I don't know, that shot they just showed behind Tony and J.R. looked like it was pretty full.
Lots of empty seats on the upper levels. There have also been reports of full sections behind the hard camera being tarped off. As I type this, they just came back from break and they had the camera on half of the arena. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Lots of empty seats this week. Attendance seems to be dwindling.

The cost doesn't help. I just did a quick look. Most of these shows the tickets bottom out at 55 to 75. 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Lots of empty seats this week. Attendance seems to be dwindling.

The cost doesn't help. I just did a quick look. Most of these shows the tickets bottom out at 55 to 75. 

Wow. That’s ridiculous. 

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Oh yeah I just saw a different shot now with a huge section empty.

Well,I guess it had to be expected. Didn't they start with a 1.5 million viewers and now are around 900,000?

If all those people were interested in checking the promotion out when it debuted, why didn't they stay?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Oh yeah I just saw a different shot now with a huge section empty.

Well,I guess it had to be expected. Didn't they start with a 1.5 million viewers and now are around 900,000?

If all those people were interested in checking the promotion out when it debuted, why didn't they stay?

Perhaps people noticed that every flippy floppy match is the same, then they seen the women’s division, luchasaurus, jungle boy, Marko Stunt, Sunny Kiss, Peter Avalon, Orange Cassidy, Hands Omega, etc. 

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Chris Jericho hit it out of the park with another tremendous promo and Scorpio Sky did a great job too.

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srossi wrote: Chris Jericho hit it out of the park with another tremendous promo and Scorpio Sky did a great job too.Yeah, that was f'n cool, despite what Melanie Parsons might think. I do love big butts though.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Chris Jericho hit it out of the park with another tremendous promo and Scorpio Sky did a great job too.Yeah, that was f'n cool, despite what Melanie Parsons might think. I do love big butts though.
I would totally do Melanie Parsons. 

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I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each week.

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Chris Jericho hit it out of the park with another tremendous promo and Scorpio Sky did a great job too.Yeah, that was f'n cool, despite what Melanie Parsons might think. I do love big butts though.
I would totally do Melanie Parsons. 
Aaaaaaaaaah, yeah! Big butted white girl, I'd lick that shit upside down and all around in the 69 posistion.

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each day.Fixed

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Billy Gunn made this roster look like children.

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And amateurs

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Starting to think my two month wrestling resurgence is about done.

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That Moxley vs. Allin match was great

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Superstar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each day.FixedI liked Chris Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gainining 5-7 thousand dollars each day. Fixed, ass clownns!

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Quattro wrote: Starting to think my two month wrestling resurgence is about done.

Yeah, I'm kinda heading that way myself.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Superstar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each day.FixedI liked Chris Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gainining 5-7 thousand dollars each day. Fixed, ass clownns!
Yeah that is a good salary for talking for 5 minutes a week and having mediocre matches once in a while. That’s a lot of spare time available to get in shape and look like someone who is one of the top figures in a wrestling company. 

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I know a lot of people (including myself) give Meltzer a hard time about his biased narrative concerning AEW, but he has nothing on Bryan Alverez. Dear lord it is pathetic listening to him and Dave on WOR recapping Wednesday night. I know Alvarez isn't much of a "reporter", "journalist" or whatever he wants to pass himself off, but he is a very good wingman for Dave on the audio shows they do. He has a good radio voice and at times can be very entertaining to listen to, but lately he has been just really bad. AEW can do no wrong with him. Even if something was unarguably bad, at least with Dave he will be critical of it, but Bryan just makes excuse after excuse for that company.

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carpetbeggar wrote: I know a lot of people (including myself) give Meltzer a hard time about his biased narrative concerning AEW, but he has nothing on Bryan Alverez. Dear lord it is pathetic listening to him and Dave on WOR recapping Wednesday night. I know Alvarez isn't much of a "reporter", "journalist" or whatever he wants to pass himself off, but he is a very good wingman for Dave on the audio shows they do. He has a good radio voice and at times can be very entertaining to listen to, but lately he has been just really bad. AEW can do no wrong with him. Even if something was unarguably bad, at least with Dave he will be critical of it, but Bryan just makes excuse after excuse for that company.

Maybe after years of having to watch years and years of shitty WWE shows, he's just happy that he's watching a weekly show that he enjoys now. You don't enjoy, but the world would be boring if we all liked the same stuff.

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Kriss wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I know a lot of people (including myself) give Meltzer a hard time about his biased narrative concerning AEW, but he has nothing on Bryan Alverez. Dear lord it is pathetic listening to him and Dave on WOR recapping Wednesday night. I know Alvarez isn't much of a "reporter", "journalist" or whatever he wants to pass himself off, but he is a very good wingman for Dave on the audio shows they do. He has a good radio voice and at times can be very entertaining to listen to, but lately he has been just really bad. AEW can do no wrong with him. Even if something was unarguably bad, at least with Dave he will be critical of it, but Bryan just makes excuse after excuse for that company.

Maybe after years of having to watch years and years of shitty WWE shows, he's just happy that he's watching a weekly show that he enjoys now. You don't enjoy, but the world would be boring if we all liked the same stuff.

I haven't seen anything cringe-worthy in AEW so far that needs to be bashed that hard.  It is what it is.  You either like the flippy-floppy wrestling or you don't.  The promos have been fantastic, the character development is starting to get there, and the matches are mostly good if you like that style.  If Alvarez really likes those types of matches, I don't know what you want him to knock. 

I think last night's NXT was a better episode for the first time since they've gone head-to-head because I will take what The Revival and Fish & O'Reilly did over Darby Allin stuff any day of the week, but there's never been anything to date in AEW that makes me groan.

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PWInsider:

The numbers are in for the eighth night of the Wednesday Night Wars and finally, AEW's winning streak has ended.

For the first time, NXT beat AEW in overall viewership, while AEW had a higher number in the 18-49 demographic.

AEW Dynamite on TNT did 893,000 overnight viewers, down from the 957,000 that they did last week.

NXT on USA did 916,000 overnight viewers, up from last week's 750,000 overnight viewers.

Looks like we have a real war on our hands.

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Meltzer has somehow turned AEW’s first loss into a victory. Lol

“If judging on who should be happier with the results, that would be AEW. To even debate that point would be foolish, but with the tribalism going on, people will try.”

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srossi wrote: Meltzer has somehow turned AEW’s first loss into a victory. Lol

“If judging on who should be happier with the results, that would be AEW. To even debate that point would be foolish, but with the tribalism going on, people will try.”


Yeah I saw that to. He does have a point though in that WWE had to throw everyone they had, including their top workers from Raw and SD on the NXT show. HHH saying back when they started that this "war" is a marathon, not a sprint clearly is not the case.

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I thought the spot with Jericho making fun of Stunt was hilarious, especially when after asking when Stunt was born and told 1996, Jericho calculating in his head how old he was, then claiming he was a kid with fake ID

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Heenan Fan wrote: Superstar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each day.FixedI liked Chris Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gainining 5-7 thousand dollars each day. Fixed, ass clownns!But they're Canadian dollars, Monopoly money is worth more.

BTW, fat boy is it true your blood type is poutine?

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BItterOldMan wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Superstar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: I liked Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gaining 5-7 pounds each day.FixedI liked Chris Jericho making fat jokes when he himself is gainining 5-7 thousand dollars each day. Fixed, ass clownns!But they're Canadian dollars, Monopoly money is worth more.

BTW, fat boy is it true your blood type is poutine?

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Meltzer is reporting that WWE was not happy that Billy Gunn used his WWE trademarked name while wrestling on AEW Dynamite last week. Gunn also wrestled under that name on an AEW PPV before they got TV and no one really cared, but now that there is a TV "war" they were really surprised it happened again. WWE owns the name "Billy Gunn" and has always let him use it on non-televised indies, but AEW is a different story. Meltzer says that there are no plans to pursue legal action, and the timing of any griping is bad given what happened with Britt Baker at NXT, but there's "disappointment" that Gunn and AEW are doing this.  Vince feels that he has been very good to Gunn and they mended fences and he put him in the HOF even after he left for AEW, and now he should know better.  If it continues, WWE is absolutely within their rights to take legal action.  As a preventative measure, AEW may decide to change Gunn's name, but he works there as an agent and there aren't many plans to use him as a wrestler going forward anyway except for the occasional surprise.  

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He should just use Mr. Ass - there's no way that WWE kept up the trademark for that one. And I bet that this doesn't happen again now that Cody has trademarked "Dusty Rhodes".

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They got the name "Billy Gunn" over on last week's show, just call him Billy now.. "OMG BILLY IS OUT HERE"..everyone will know who it is..

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Superstar wrote: He should just use Mr. Ass - there's no way that WWE kept up the trademark for that one. And I bet that this doesn't happen again now that Cody has trademarked "Dusty Rhodes".Cody has also registered the trademarks Bash At The Beach, Battle Bowl, Slamboree, and Super Brawl.

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Joey Janela no-showed tonight and is unhappy with the way he’s being booked. This will be AEW’s downfall if they can’t get a tighter grip on the talent. It’s walking that fine line between being domineering like Vince and being complete pussies to the point that there is no boss. Even the guys begging for a release in WWE are at every single show because they know there will be holy hell to pay if they’re not. 

“Didn’t get on my flight for @AEWrestling Dynamite tonight, I’m not going…. Nothing was addressed about the way I was eliminated from the match last week, I’m losing all the steam I created on my own through 14 years of hard work, right these wrongs and answer the phone..”

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srossi wrote: Joey Janela no-showed tonight and is unhappy with the way he’s being booked. This will be AEW’s downfall if they can’t get a tighter grip on the talent. It’s walking that fine line between being domineering like Vince and being complete pussies to the point that there is no boss. Even the guys begging for a release in WWE are at every single show because they know there will be holy hell to pay if they’re not. 

“Didn’t get on my flight for @AEWrestling Dynamite tonight, I’m not going…. Nothing was addressed about the way I was eliminated from the match last week, I’m losing all the steam I created on my own through 14 years of hard work, right these wrongs and answer the phone..”


Really curious to see where this goes; at the end of the day the boss needs to be a boss they need to be able to separate what is best for business from the employees feelings. This is already starting to sound like WCW jr. 

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Jim Ross called one of the Japanese women an “oriental” last night. Say hi to Cornette for me, JR.

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A new tag team debuted on Dynamite last night, attacking Cody Rhodes. They were identified as The Blade and The Butcher, managed by The Bunny. Bunny is Allie repackaged. Blade is her husband Braxton Sutter/Pepper Parks from Impact. Butcher is Andy Williams, the rhythm guitarist for metalcore band Every Time I Die who has been wrestling on the indies for a few years now.

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Where was Schiavone last night?

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Married Jo wrote: Where was Schiavone last night?
Calling a Georgia Bulldogs game. 

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srossi wrote: Jim Ross called one of the Japanese women an “oriental” last night. Say hi to Cornette for me, JR.

J.R. has a backbone made of wet toilet paper. He'd apologize without hesitation if he was asked.

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I just have to say that this weeks AEW episode was the most entertaining weekly wresting show since RAW in 1997...REally, it was that good imo.

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srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: Where was Schiavone last night?
Calling a Georgia Bulldogs game. 


Whoever Marco Martinez is, he should never be allowed to speak ever again. Not just on TV, to anyone, ever. Worse than the worst of Percy Watson.

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Calling a Georgia Bulldogs game. 


Whoever Marco Martinez is, he should never be allowed to speak ever again. Not just on TV, to anyone, ever. Worse than the worst of Percy Watson.

Thank God it was just for one match. He only said 4 words but the way he was whispering them annoyed me. 

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AEW really need to do a better job of introducing unknown heels. Wardlow, The Blade, The Butcher and The Bunny. Who the fuck are these guys? Why did Excalibur know exactly who the guys under the ring were, but JR had zero clue? You can't just bring complete unknowns in and have them attack one of your main event names. Especially when the are not physically impressive at all. Two bald guys who wouldn't have looked out of place in SMW.

The opening promo was awful this week. At least the crowd were into it, but Soul Train Jones, a 15 minute opening promo and a load of US sports bullshit that went right over my head did absolutely nothing for me. I could not give two fucks about ice hockey rivalries. If I was watching live, I would have turned over to NXT to see if they were showing any wrestling. Jericho's dad is a surprisingly decent promo, though.

The second hour was very good. PAC vs Omega was the match of the night, but NXT is the better show at the moment.

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Seeing that AEW is only doing one show a week so far, are any of the bigger names (Jericho, Omega, Moxley, Bucks etc..._) working anywhere else right now?

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Seeing that AEW is only doing one show a week so far, are any of the bigger names (Jericho, Omega, Moxley, Bucks etc..._) working anywhere else right now?Moxley worked Japan right before they started the tv show, not sure if he’s gone back.  Jericho is doing a couple matches a year in Japan but I think most of his non wrestling on AEW shows time is spent in the music world.  Jericho doesn’t need the work.  Kenny Omega has been working Mexico somewhat often and is the AAA some kind of Champion, think it’s the mega belt.  I think the Bucks are working down there too, I think it’s all part of building a working relationship with them.  But honestly, I think all of the guys that you mentioned are making decent money by NOT working anywhere else.  AEW wanted some headliners, and they probably want to make the money off of them instead of other organizations.

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Kriss wrote: AEW really need to do a better job of introducing unknown heels. Wardlow, The Blade, The Butcher and The Bunny. Who the fuck are these guys? Why did Excalibur know exactly who the guys under the ring were, but JR had zero clue? You can't just bring complete unknowns in and have them attack one of your main event names. Especially when the are not physically impressive at all. Two bald guys who wouldn't have looked out of place in SMW

I agree. What the hell is from with Excalibur, does he just not get it?

JR set him up perfectly to give us an explanation as to who they are and  it flew right over his head. He just relied to JR that it was Blade and Butcher. The guy is so indy. I'm not sure he belongs long term if he cant adjust his style of announcing to appeal to the masses.How does Excalibur not get that?

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What qualifications does Excalibur have? He wrestled like 10 years ago, but really, does that make him an announcer? I don’t think so. In fact, for as many people that have said that time has passed JR and he’s a shell of his old self, I still believe he’s better than Excalibur. I also think that the awful work that JR and Josh Barnett did with All Japan was better than Excalibur.

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Excalibur was the announcer for PWG for a long period of time.

JR sucks because he doesn't enjoy what AEW is doing. Skeeavone is clearly their best announcer.

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The audience was asking the same question as JR was. Why did Excalibur know their name?
He may know all the moves and wrestlers, but that's all that he seems to know. The guy is clueless.

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For some bizarre reason, former WCW announcer Chris Cruise, who hasn’t been heard from in a few decades, has taken it upon himself to report AEW to the Maryland State Athletic Commission. He believes that the Omega vs. Moxley match violated their standards and is trying to get the company banned in the state. The Commission says they will look into it. What a tool.

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srossi wrote: For some bizarre reason, former WCW announcer Chris Cruise, who hasn’t been heard from in a few decades, has taken it upon himself to report AEW to the Maryland State Athletic Commission. He believes that the Omega vs. Moxley match violated their standards and is trying to get the company banned in the state. The Commission says they will look into it. What a tool.

I wonder, does he have any involvement with one of the indies that run in the Baltimore area?

If so then he is just using some of those old promoter tactics from back in the day.

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Isn’t Cruise in or wasn’t he in the FBI? Not the wrestling faction but the law enforcement group?

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Franchise wrote: Isn’t Cruise in or wasn’t he in the FBI? Not the wrestling faction but the law enforcement group?
I don't know but he looked like an 80-year old pedophile in WCW, and that was decades ago.  I don't know how he's still alive.

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I just watched the Highspots Bruiser Brody documentary earlier in the week and Cruise was interviews in it.

I hadn't seen or heard that name in years and years,,,and then he turns up involved in this stunt.

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Just watched this weeks show which I recorded since I was out of town. Fast forwarded. Done in 20 minutes. Not a good sign for me....interest is rapidly waning.

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Cruise is actually pretty active on Facebook. I really doubt he was with the FBI as I'm sure the Bureau frowned upon their agents moonlighting as carnies.

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WongLee wrote: Cruise is actually pretty active on Facebook. I really doubt he was with the FBI as I'm sure the Bureau frowned upon their agents moonlighting as carnies.
Maybe it wasn’t the FBI but he had a regular job and WCW was a part time thing I remember tony saying unless it was another announcer I am thinking of. 

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Maybe it wasn’t the FBI but he had a regular job and WCW was a part time thing I remember tony saying unless it was another announcer I am thinking of. 
You’re thinking of Mark Madden, who worked full time in WCW and part time at Seaworld as the backup Shamu.

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Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Cruise is actually pretty active on Facebook. I really doubt he was with the FBI as I'm sure the Bureau frowned upon their agents moonlighting as carnies.
Maybe it wasn’t the FBI but he had a regular job and WCW was a part time thing I remember tony saying unless it was another announcer I am thinking of. 

I remember it being Scott Hudson.

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AEW with a good bounce back at 851,000 households beating NXT this week, who got 845,000. Very close week for the shows but AEW bouncing back from last week is the real story. More great promos from Jericho and Cody too.

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DJP wrote: Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Cruise is actually pretty active on Facebook. I really doubt he was with the FBI as I'm sure the Bureau frowned upon their agents moonlighting as carnies.
Maybe it wasn’t the FBI but he had a regular job and WCW was a part time thing I remember tony saying unless it was another announcer I am thinking of. 

I remember it being Scott Hudson.


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I’m still watching the weekly AEW show on TNT and I really don’t see where this company is going. This week had Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy in the mix with the top guys. The Tranny is still getting airtime, and Joey Janela’s complaining finally got him a main event match. Last week, Excalibur made Jim Ross look fucking stupid when he knew the names of the people that came from under the ring. Everybody is still flippin’ and floppin’ as well. Anything with Jericho, Rhodes, and MJF is always awesome, but promos can’t keep holding this together.

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AEW and NXT tied this week, with exactly 778,000 viewers each. That number was down about 75,000 for both shows.

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So we’re two months in now, what are everybody’s thoughts...if you’re still watching, or if you gave them a chance and stopped watching already, why?

I’m still watching but it’s not essential viewing as it was at first. Overall I like the show, which is more than I can say for WWE shows these days, but I still find myself wondering who half the guys are or why I should care. I don’t really feel like there are any angles, just a bunch of wrestling matches each week. Feels very thin at the top from a starpower standpoint.

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cookie32723 wrote: So we’re two months in now, what are everybody’s thoughts...if you’re still watching, or if you gave them a chance and stopped watching already, why?

I’m still watching but it’s not essential viewing as it was at first. Overall I like the show, which is more than I can say for WWE shows these days, but I still find myself wondering who half the guys are or why I should care. I don’t really feel like there are any angles, just a bunch of wrestling matches each week. Feels very thin at the top from a starpower standpoint.

I like both AEW and NXT.  I think they're different and that's just fine.  AEW is short on promos but the ones they have are tremendous, some of the best I've heard in years.  Character development is still lacking.  The matches are the matches - they're indy spotfests and lots of people like that and lots of people don't so I don't see the use of arguing about it every week.  NXT is hit or miss with some really great matches and some filler.

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I haven’t watched anything current since the takeover / survivor series weekend outside of a segment here or there.


AEW turned me off with their multiple platforms I have no interest in chasing their product across TNT, YouTube and B/R app and whatever else they have. I’m not that old but I’m not that interested to try and figure it out so I just said fuck it and moved on.


On top of that the E has spoiled the PPV system by giving them away for free so why would I pay for a AEW PPV when I wouldn’t pay for Wrestlemania.

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cookie32723 wrote: So we’re two months in now, what are everybody’s thoughts...if you’re still watching, or if you gave them a chance and stopped watching already, why?

I’m still watching but it’s not essential viewing as it was at first. Overall I like the show, which is more than I can say for WWE shows these days, but I still find myself wondering who half the guys are or why I should care. I don’t really feel like there are any angles, just a bunch of wrestling matches each week. Feels very thin at the top from a starpower standpoint.

I watch Jericho's stuff, Cody's stuff and MJF. The rest is fast forward fodder.

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Chris Jericho went on Konnan’s podcast and said this:

“I called a team meeting — I’ll tell you right now. The lack of tags and the lack of just normal tag team wrestling psychology drove me nuts to the point where that was one of the big knocks against our company in about week three or four if you remember.

“They started making excuses for the Lucha Brothers cause I’ll be honest with ya, tagging out they’re lazy. They don’t care. They just walk in and out whenever they want and do whatever they want and it’s not right. It’s not how you do it.

“They would make excuses and they would say, ‘Oh, it’s lucha libre style.’ Huh, that’s funny because guess what? I worked in Mexico for two years and guess how you make a tag in a lucha libre match? You stand on the corner and you wait for a guy to touch you and you walk in. That’s lucha libre rules, AKA tag team rules.

“So, I called a meeting with the whole crew and said you’re burying the refs. If you don’t have any rules then you don’t get any heat and it’s killing our show because our honeymoon period is over and now people are watching us and they’re being confused by the lack of rules. So that’s changing slowly.”

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i was talking to my buddy last night. aew has at least 2-3 indy balls out matches every week. occasionally i love those type of matches. i am a big fan of PWG, where many of these guys have been regularly over the years. the big difference is PWG runs about six or seven shows a year, not weekly, the indy flippy kick out of 30 finishers isn't as annoying and is more palatable with a less is more approach imo.

i love the presentation of aew and am very curious to see how NXT will look when their tv starts traveling.

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AEW announced that in 2020 they will begin an official podcast hosted by Tony Schiavone and produced by Warnermedia. So now there will be podcast wars with WWE's hosted by Corey Graves.

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i love the presentation of aew and am very curious to see how NXT will look when their tv starts traveling.


Do you know something we don't?

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So we have Page and Omega angle interrupted by Pack.  Which was ok but then they go to commercial and have nothing when they return to close out the segment and build it commentary-wise.  Announcers don’t even mention it.  
Then Blade Bunny people who they still have not gotten over what is their point.  I guess they tried say MJF hired them.  Sort of.  But still no clear objective.  Bunny is kind of hot though.
Then, Brandy Rhodes is evil but it is just stupid.
They do try the JR Jungle Boy interview in ring ESPN/NFL pregame show style.  That was good, but needed to be Tony, he comes off more likeable than JR.  Jungle Boy was bland and probably nervous but those segments make it seem “real”.
But then the stip with Jericho?  That could have been so much better. There was nothing at stake.  Now Jericho on to Moxley?
The booking is just a convoluted/ half done mess.

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This Dark Order crap. Ugh

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Quattro wrote: This Dark Order crap. Ugh
Didn't watch last night's show yet, but people want original characters and then shit over the first original characters that AEW tries to create.  Give it a chance.  At least it's an attempt at character development.  For the record, I'm not a fan either, just sayin'...

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I don’t want characters Rossi, I want old school rasslers.

This is just hokey.

They are missing boat bigly with Blanchard. He needs to be talking about recreating Tully Blanchard Enterprises.

Have arn involved and opposing him somehow. Have TBE go after Dustin or Cody. Have Arn try to assist the Rhodes only for them to turn on the Rhodes yet again

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Quattro wrote: I don’t want characters Rossi, I want old school rasslers.

This is just hokey.

They are missing boat bigly with Blanchard. He needs to be talking about recreating Tully Blanchard Enterprises.

Have arn involved and opposing him somehow. Have TBE go after Dustin or Cody. Have Arn try to assist the Rhodes only for them to turn on the Rhodes yet again

Honestly revisiting the Rhodes vs. Horseman feud has very limited appeal to 99% of fans in 2020, even the ones that know the history. They’re mostly killing WWE in the under 40 demo and focusing on that, so this isn’t going to happen. But obviously Tully could be better utilized, so you won’t get an argument from me on that. 

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Just finished watching last night’s episode and I thought it was the worst one yet. They did not end the year on a high note.

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Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”

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srossi wrote: Quattro wrote: I don’t want characters Rossi, I want old school rasslers.

This is just hokey.

They are missing boat bigly with Blanchard. He needs to be talking about recreating Tully Blanchard Enterprises.

Have arn involved and opposing him somehow. Have TBE go after Dustin or Cody. Have Arn try to assist the Rhodes only for them to turn on the Rhodes yet again

Honestly revisiting the Rhodes vs. Horseman feud has very limited appeal to 99% of fans in 2020, even the ones that know the history. They’re mostly killing WWE in the under 40 demo and focusing on that, so this isn’t going to happen. But obviously Tully could be better utilized, so you won’t get an argument from me on that. 


Quattro, I don't know why you watch AEW, because it's never going to become the wrestling that you want it to. I would compare this to a sitcom fan who loves Friends watching 30 Rock every week but complaining that it's too wacky and surreal, or a Patrick Stewart fan who loved him doing Shakespeare in the theater complaining that every episode in Star Trek is set in space and  the aliens look ridiculous.

AEW is what it is, indie wrestling done on a grand scale. Hopefully they will take stock and realise that not everything that works in PWG works on weekly television. If you're not watching it already, you would enjoy NXT a lot more.

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srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?

Neither of the Street Profits had done any pro wrestling before they were signed.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Sammy Guevara did not appreciate his WWE tryout in 2017:

“I did have a WWE tryout in 2017, but I think it was just for me to get into the system. It was definitely a difficult tryout. I was doing a bunch of cardio leading up to that. I had the elevation masks on. They were making us run the ropes, dropping down over bags, high knees holding on to the top ropes. We would do that in 5 different rings, and then line back up and do all sorts of different stuff. William Regal was there; Norman Smiley was there. Ricky Starks was in the tryout as well.”

“I don’t think any wrestler got signed. I think a collegiate wrestler got signed. It felt that if you want to do this for a living f*ck you, but these models, ex-Football players they treated them really good and almost shame on you for actually wanting to be a wrestler.”

“It seemed like when the cameras were on they really played it up. It felt like a whole gimmick to me because everyone was chill until the cameras were on and suddenly they start drilling and yelling at you. I’m like, alright, I see what this is. It definitely opened up my eyes because I wouldn’t want to be there, maybe not ever, but certainly not now just because of the way they treated me. Maybe it’s different now, I don’t know, but during that time I saw that unless I was a somebody it’s going to be hell here.”


No one should be surprised by this. While WWE have been happy to sign top name indie talent for developmental (who don't go through these try-outs), they almost never sign low-level indie guys. It should have been no surprise to him that a non-wrestler with something unique is much more likely to get signed than an indie wrestler. If you saw how they treated Matt Cross in Tough Enough, this is blatantly obvious. Plus, he's made it to the top of the indies now, so he should shut up, because one day he might want to sign with WWE, and someone might remember this interview.

There's a bunch of really random guys that WWE has signed with very low-level indy experience.  There's a bunch right now in the PC still trying to get on TV.  I'm sure they're not treated great, but it's possible to get a contract.  You even look at guys like The Street Prophets and who the fuck were they before they were signed?

Neither of the Street Profits had done any pro wrestling before they were signed.

Angelo Dawkins is a guy who I thought had bounced around a lot, but maybe not.  I feel like I've been hearing that name forever, but not as a high-level guy.

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srossi wrote: Angelo Dawkins is a guy who I thought had bounced around a lot, but maybe not.  I feel like I've been hearing that name forever, but not as a high-level guy.

Dawkins was an amateur wrestler. He debuted on NXT TV in early 2014 and went through a few different gimmicks, mostly as a jobber, until the Street Profits got going.

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So NXT beat AEW in all the demos last night, even the 18-49. I would think AEW would be concerned with only half as many people who watched their first couple shows watching now. They are still losing viewers week to week. I see Meltzer is now being more critical of their booking now (and rightfully so). Tony Khan needs to sit his EVP's down and straight up tell them that they just do not have a clue what they are doing when it comes to booking. Omega especially needs an intervention to be told his "joshi" wrestlers he loves so much are just horrid. I don't care if their loser fan boy crowd that goes to their live shows think Riho is "cute and cuddly" she can't work a lick. 80% or their women's roster should not be allowed on TV unless they are paid extras, just there for someone like Awesome Kong to squash.
It seems so much of what AEW does is only booked to get over with their die-hard audience who buy the tickets to see them live and were already indy fans previously. They don't seem to be doing much to get anyone else interested in watching every week.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alfredkonuwa/2019/12/19/wwe-nxt-obliterates-aew-dynamite-in-final-ratings-showdown-of-2019/#8c6f8154205a

"Following last week’s unlikely tie, WWE NXT drew an average viewership of 795,000, up 2% from 778,000 viewers last week. AEW Dynamite’s season finale drew 683,000 average viewers—down 12% from 778,000 last week. For the first time since the start of the Wednesday Night Wars, NXT also won the night in the 18-49 demos, ranking No. 27 while AEW Dynamite came in at No. 30."

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carpetbeggar wrote: So NXT beat AEW in all the demos last night, even the 18-49. I would think AEW would be concerned with only half as many people who watched their first couple shows watching now. They are still losing viewers week to week. I see Meltzer is now being more critical of their booking now (and rightfully so). 
Meltzer has been pushing the young demo numbers so hard and making every ratings loss sound like a resounding victory because of that, but last night they finally lost the 18-49 demo so that seems like a bad sign.  Meltzer hilariously blamed the bad ratings on the impeachment hearings, saying both shows were down because of it!  As if anyone in AEW's young demo gives a shit about that.  Then, when someone pointed out that NXT's viewership was actually up overall compared to last week, he said something like, "Well it would've been up more without the impeachment hearings but AEW was really hurt by them."  And then he gets combative on Twitter with people who mock him.

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“Well Eric got f*cked over once by Vince [McMahon] this year, so why wouldn’t Vince f*ck him over again? You know what? That’s f*cking fine with me. And I hope that I’m working with AEW until the day I die, because once it’s all over with, my family has been instructed, I’ve told you this I think on the air here before, my family has been instructed that if they want to induct me in anyway, postmortem, the answer from the family is no. So, don’t expect from me to be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame. You know, now I’m pissed off. I’m pissed off because Eric is not a part of the n.W.o. into the Hall Of Fame, and I’m pissed off because Eric got f*cked over by Vince McMahon. Not Bruce Prichard, who’s our friend, who’s a good guy, straight up guy, but by Vince McMahon. You know, and everybody knows that Eric was brought in just so he could get fired, and that f*cking sucks. I know it, and I’ll guarantee you that I’m right, and the fact he wasn’t put in the n.W.o. Hall Of Fame — into the Hall Of Fame with the n.W.o. confirms it.”

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In what universe is Tony getting posthumously inducted into the WWE HOF?

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AEW needs a booker. Like a singular creative person to book.

I was hoping AEW would be an American jazzed up version of a Japanese promotion based around a real supposed athletic competition instead, I am not sure what the heck it is honestly.

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Kriss wrote: In what universe is Tony getting posthumously inducted into the WWE HOF?

Tony’s 

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I’ve completely given up on AEW and cancelled my subscription to Sling. Same goes for NWA Power. Hokey as fuck. NXT is the only show that resembles pro wrestling. 

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NWA Power is so close to having something yet so far. But comes across like a parody of 80s wrestling for 50% of the show.

Can’t someone just watch some 84 midsouth, 86 Crockett, 96 wcw and 93 AJPW take the best elements, put a modern spin on it, and give us a real product. Maybe it won’t be successful. But based on the initial weeks of AEW there is a good chunk of people that tuned in looking for something but not finding it.

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I really want to like AEW and was pretty into it from the start but they are starting to lose me. I'm not into the WWE style much at all anymore and wanted something that resembles what we all grew up on but I think that’s wishful thinking at this point. It’s either WWE or flippy floppy no selling indie style, and I don’t think there is any middle ground or alternative anymore m.

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cookie32723 wrote: I really want to like AEW and was pretty into it from the start but they are starting to lose me. I'm not into the WWE style much at all anymore and wanted something that resembles what we all grew up on but I think that’s wishful thinking at this point. It’s either WWE or flippy floppy no selling indie style, and I don’t think there is any middle ground or alternative anymore m.
NXT is the closest blend that you’re going to get. If that doesn’t do it for you, you probably have to give up on wrestling. 

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Cody seems to be alluding to the consensus opinion that Scurll will spend a few months in the NWA and indies before coming to AEW. Not sure why he’s not jumping straight away, but everyone says Scurll is a bit of a free spirit.

Cody on @MartyScurll:

"Marty is going to do what Marty is going to do. We all love Marty. Anything he does in the next few weeks or months, I wouldn't look at as permanent for him. He's very much testing the waters here and there and that's pretty much all I can say on Marty." pic.twitter.com/SRvLGPZGrp
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srossi wrote: cookie32723 wrote: I really want to like AEW and was pretty into it from the start but they are starting to lose me. I'm not into the WWE style much at all anymore and wanted something that resembles what we all grew up on but I think that’s wishful thinking at this point. It’s either WWE or flippy floppy no selling indie style, and I don’t think there is any middle ground or alternative anymore m.
NXT is the closest blend that you’re going to get. If that doesn’t do it for you, you probably have to give up on wrestling. 

Yeah good point. I really never watched the NXT weekly show but may have to give it another shot. Without going back waaay too far and never catching up, is there a starting point that would be as good as any?

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cookie32723 wrote: srossi wrote: cookie32723 wrote: I really want to like AEW and was pretty into it from the start but they are starting to lose me. I'm not into the WWE style much at all anymore and wanted something that resembles what we all grew up on but I think that’s wishful thinking at this point. It’s either WWE or flippy floppy no selling indie style, and I don’t think there is any middle ground or alternative anymore m.
NXT is the closest blend that you’re going to get. If that doesn’t do it for you, you probably have to give up on wrestling. 

Yeah good point. I really never watched the NXT weekly show but may have to give it another shot. Without going back waaay too far and never catching up, is there a starting point that would be as good as any?

Watch all the Takeovers and anything involving Gargano and Ciampa. Other than that, just jump in. 

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Quattro wrote: Guess I should try NXT
You and me both.



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I was just thinking about this and I cannot remember if they did, but have The Young Bucks even cut a promo or been interviewed on an episode of 'Dynamite' yet?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Quattro wrote: Guess I should try NXT
You and me both.




Same here

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cookie32723 wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Quattro wrote: Guess I should try NXT
You and me both.




Same here


I have the last five weeks of NXT saves on my Dvr.

I'm going to be honest, I haven't watched NWA Powerrr since the Cornette debacle, although I may catch up on that at some point. I still watch AEW live every week, but the last month has morphed into me having it on with the volume turned down and me on my laptop reading something or watching YouTube videos. If I notice something big happening or someone cutting a promo, I will turn up the volume and rewind so I can watch it. The Young Bucks' highspot matches do not keep my interest. It's just looks too choreographed and all their matches just blend together to the point where if someone asked me about a specific match of theirs, I wouldn't remember because they end up being all the same.

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I just seen that clip of the phony punches and another clip of Tony Khan giving someone a stunner. AEW should change their name to LOL. This shit isn’t gonna last.

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On the latest episode of the JC Experience, Cornette and Brian Last discussed the graphics used for Justin Roberts and Adam Page during the opening segment of last week's opener. These captions are ridiculous. 


 

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Um, what's ridiculous about the Justin Roberts one? What else is there to say about a ring announcer?

I can't tell if the Page one is supposed to be a joke or if they were just typing suggestions to each other and forgot to fix it before it aired.

I don't think they really need captions, and I'd like to see them stop emphasizing the won-loss records too since everyone is a .500 wrestler.  

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I think the Page one is funny; I would have laughed if I was watching the show and saw it.

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Franchise wrote: I think the Page one is funny; I would have laughed if I was watching the show and saw it.
I agree.  What everyone keeps on forgetting is that the audience is filled with 20-year olds who grew up on Twitter.  Then you have fossils like Cornette trying to dissect every little thing and explain how it never would've gotten over in 1979 in Memphis.  No shit.  I hear that jokes about Ethiopians and fried chicken were popular back then though.

If it was a production mistake then so be it, but it likely was a joke.

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srossi wrote: Um, what's ridiculous about the Justin Roberts one? What else is there to say about a ring announcer?

I can't tell if the Page one is supposed to be a joke or if they were just typing suggestions to each other and forgot to fix it before it aired.

I don't think they really need captions, and I'd like to see them stop emphasizing the won-loss records too since everyone is a .500 wrestler. 

I don't recall ever seeing a graphic like that for any announcer before.. "Hey look, we have a ring announcer who has 26 years experience." It felt unnecessary.

I don't have an issue with won-loss records being emphasized. It was a good idea, but it has been poorly executed through even steven booking as you mentioned. I think Kenny Omega has a record of 9-4, but he has been booked terribly, for the most part.

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I don’t see the point in talking about the records if everyone is going to bat .500 unless they just need more time to get to the point they are trying to get to for people to start breaking away. Such as so and so is 4 and 4 in singles but is 6-1 in tag matches and align them in a tag team or have someone go under .500 and then “perfect” a new move that propels them on a 15-0 run until some figured out the counter etc etc etc. I think it can be useful and interesting but could also be a nightmare to track especially if They pull out some dumb shit booking with an outside person getting pinned because the ref was partially blinded and thought so and so was in the match.

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Franchise wrote: I don’t see the point in talking about the records if everyone is going to bat .500 unless they just need more time to get to the point they are trying to get to for people to start breaking away. Such as so and so is 4 and 4 in singles but is 6-1 in tag matches and align them in a tag team or have someone go under .500 and then “perfect” a new move that propels them on a 15-0 run until some figured out the counter etc etc etc. I think it can be useful and interesting but could also be a nightmare to track especially if They pull out some dumb shit booking with an outside person getting pinned because the ref was partially blinded and thought so and so was in the match.
The one thing I like is that in the past 2 weeks, now that AEW has some shows under their belt, JR and Schiavone has been saying things like "So-and-so is on a 4-game winning streak."  I think that adds something as far as hot and cold streaks, but an overall won-loss records doesn't do anything for me now and will be absurd in 2 years once guys get to 40-38 or whatever.

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I agree about the win-loss records being shown is bad.


What's the story about Tony Khan giving a stunner?

I saw the phony punches gif the other day.

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carpetbeggar wrote: I agree about the win-loss records being shown is bad.


What's the story about Tony Khan giving a stunner?

I saw the phony punches gif the other day.


Okay I just saw the video of it. The female ref also gave Spears a stunner. It was after the show, but still. These people just can't help themselves.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/aew-news-tony-khan-reveals-why-he-gave-a-stone-cold-stunner-to-former-wwe-superstar

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carpetbeggar wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I agree about the win-loss records being shown is bad.


What's the story about Tony Khan giving a stunner?

I saw the phony punches gif the other day.


Okay I just saw the video of it. The female ref also gave Spears a stunner. It was after the show, but still. These people just can't help themselves.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/aew-news-tony-khan-reveals-why-he-gave-a-stone-cold-stunner-to-former-wwe-superstar
My opinion?  What happens off the air doesn’t count.  Just like how house shows have a lot of crazy bullshit on them, when the cameras are off, you are 100% only there to entertain the paid ticket holders.  I have no issue with this.  And Shawn Spears “gets it”.  Even if what he said was to save face, which I don’t believe, the guy understands it’s about doing your job with 100% effort.  To entertain the crowd as a heel, you show ass every so often.  

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Critiquing something that happened off-air is ridiculous. WWE does shit like this too after the cameras stop rolling, or at least they used to when the talent was allowed to have fun. Read any autobiography of any WWE star from the last 30 years ever. There’s tons of goofier stories than this. The Undertaker was just talking about how Vince tried to force him to do a spinaroonie after Raw during the Austin interview. That’s a little goofier than this  People are really stretching. God forbid anyone have fucking fun. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I don’t see the point in talking about the records if everyone is going to bat .500 unless they just need more time to get to the point they are trying to get to for people to start breaking away. Such as so and so is 4 and 4 in singles but is 6-1 in tag matches and align them in a tag team or have someone go under .500 and then “perfect” a new move that propels them on a 15-0 run until some figured out the counter etc etc etc. I think it can be useful and interesting but could also be a nightmare to track especially if They pull out some dumb shit booking with an outside person getting pinned because the ref was partially blinded and thought so and so was in the match.
The one thing I like is that in the past 2 weeks, now that AEW has some shows under their belt, JR and Schiavone has been saying things like "So-and-so is on a 4-game winning streak."  I think that adds something as far as hot and cold streaks, but an overall won-loss records doesn't do anything for me now and will be absurd in 2 years once guys get to 40-38 or whatever.
The won-loss records will be reset on January 1st every year, making them even more corny imo unless they make it a contest for a prize that actually means something storyline wise. THAT could be very interesting to increase the Dynamite tv rating in the dog days of bad December ratings. A beej "2020 Mr. AEW Standings" contest could be money.

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srossi wrote: Critiquing something that happened off-air is ridiculous. WWE does shit like this too after the cameras stop rolling, or at least they used to when the talent was allowed to have fun. Read any autobiography of any WWE star from the last 30 years ever. There’s tons of goofier stories than this. The Undertaker was just talking about how Vince tried to force him to do a spinaroonie after Raw during the Austin interview. That’s a little goofier than this  People are really stretching. God forbid anyone have fucking fun. 
If it’s on video and making the rounds, it’s fair game. This is the internet. I love it when you get pissy. ❤️

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Critiquing something that happened off-air is ridiculous. WWE does shit like this too after the cameras stop rolling, or at least they used to when the talent was allowed to have fun. Read any autobiography of any WWE star from the last 30 years ever. There’s tons of goofier stories than this. The Undertaker was just talking about how Vince tried to force him to do a spinaroonie after Raw during the Austin interview. That’s a little goofier than this  People are really stretching. God forbid anyone have fucking fun. 
If it’s on video and making the rounds, it’s fair game. This is the internet. I love it when you get pissy. ❤️

Yeah, it's a different world now, everything can be recorded and shown to millions in a matter of hours now. Do you think The Sheik, Lewin, Abdullah, King Curtis, Brody, etc had "fun" in the place where they made their living?That Tony Khan needs that suit ripped off him in the middle of that ring, given a good strapping across his back and then honey and chicken feathers dumped over him by Jim Cornette, Dennis Condrey and Bobby Eaton. THAT my friends is what I call "fucking fun".

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: I just seen that clip of the phony punches and another clip of Tony Khan giving someone a stunner. AEW should change their name to LOL. This shit isn’t gonna last.

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Do I think that guys who always booked their friends wherever they went did it primarily to have fun and not to make a living? Yes. If you want to make a living you will work with people you dislike. And wrestling is riddled with instances where your personal connection was a lot more important than what you brought to the table.

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I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.

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Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

I thought it came out that was false, and that he was joking?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

I thought it came out that was false, and that he was joking?

Yes, he was joking but many newz sites ran with it.  Arik Cannon has been around forever and knows how to throw punches.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

I thought it came out that was false, and that he was joking?

If it was a joke, that’s fucking stupid. Let’s just wait until we get 100% verification from Meltzer. I’m sure the great one knows. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

I thought it came out that was false, and that he was joking?

If it was a joke, that’s fucking stupid. Let’s just wait until we get 100% verification from Meltzer. I’m sure the great one knows. 

I doubt the name will mean anything to us.  I'm sure they just put some students under the masks.  WWE pays a few hundred bucks to established indy stars to play all the extra roles, but it wouldn't surprise me if AEW just gets warm bodies and doesn't pay them.

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Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.

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Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  

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Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  
 I was paying $9.99 to watch NXT and then I subscribed to sling for $29.99 to watch AEW. And thanks to the AEW people, I’m now back to just paying $9.99 to watch NXT. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  
 I was paying $9.99 to watch NXT and then I subscribed to sling for $29.99 to watch AEW. And thanks to the AEW people, I’m now back to just paying $9.99 to watch NXT. 

Why would you be paying to watch NXT when it's on USA now?  

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srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  
 I was paying $9.99 to watch NXT and then I subscribed to sling for $29.99 to watch AEW. And thanks to the AEW people, I’m now back to just paying $9.99 to watch NXT. 

Why would you be paying to watch NXT when it's on USA now?  

Because USA isn’t a free channel. I canceled sling. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

And now The Young Bucks have taken down their twitter accounts. They had no problem shitting all over the WWE, but now when people call them out for their shit, they close up shop.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

And now The Young Bucks have taken down their twitter accounts. They had no problem shitting all over the WWE, but now when people call them out for their shit, they close up shop.


Except they are still on Instagram and YouTube... This is becoming like politics. Why seek the truth when you can just shitpost hate?

If you don't like AEW, stop watching and STFU.

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  
 I was paying $9.99 to watch NXT and then I subscribed to sling for $29.99 to watch AEW. And thanks to the AEW people, I’m now back to just paying $9.99 to watch NXT. 

Why would you be paying to watch NXT when it's on USA now?  

Because USA isn’t a free channel. I canceled sling. 

Why don't you just download the Torrent an hour after the show airs? 

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Is NXT ever going to start doing tapings on the road? 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. 
This is very true, at least if you're talking about free TV.  NXT has been killing it for a long time now, but thanks to AEW people don't even have to pay the $9.99 to watch it anymore.  
 I was paying $9.99 to watch NXT and then I subscribed to sling for $29.99 to watch AEW. And thanks to the AEW people, I’m now back to just paying $9.99 to watch NXT. 

Why would you be paying to watch NXT when it's on USA now?  

Because USA isn’t a free channel. I canceled sling. 

Why don't you just download the Torrent an hour after the show airs? 
I don’t want to download anything. 

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Kriss wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

And now The Young Bucks have taken down their twitter accounts. They had no problem shitting all over the WWE, but now when people call them out for their shit, they close up shop.


Except they are still on Instagram and YouTube... This is becoming like politics. Why seek the truth when you can just shitpost hate?

If you don't like AEW, stop watching and STFU.


The truth is just as I posted it...They took down their twitter accounts you son of a bitch. 

FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS, KRISS POSTS FAKE NEWS. (AND FAKE, MADE UP RESULTS TO BTW)

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Kriss wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

And now The Young Bucks have taken down their twitter accounts. They had no problem shitting all over the WWE, but now when people call them out for their shit, they close up shop.


Except they are still on Instagram and YouTube... This is becoming like politics. Why seek the truth when you can just shitpost hate?

If you don't like AEW, stop watching and STFU.

No, I won't just stop watching and STFU. The show has the potential to be a major player, you have some great established talents in the Rhodes, Moxley and Jericho and we end up seeing shit like the last show. When the promotion launched, a promise was made and it isn't being fulfilled. The crap we're seeing is not worthy of a national stage, it's becoming quite obvious that Omega and the Bucks are in waaaay over their heads and have no idea what they're doing. And now the money mark is giving stunners to workers after the shows.
If you don't like criticism of AEW, then may I suggest you stop visiting the board and delete your account; emulate the Bucks, tuck tail and run.






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Vintage Wrestling wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: I'm gonna guess that the masked goons aren't workers, hence the awful punches. Better than shoot punching someone in the face, though.
The guy with the punches is Arik Cannon. A “worker”. 

I thought it came out that was false, and that he was joking?

If it was a joke, that’s fucking stupid. Let’s just wait until we get 100% verification from Meltzer. I’m sure the great one knows. 
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BitterOldMan wrote: Kriss wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Even a guy joking that he was under a mask in AEW gets shit from the disciples of acornette now? These Wednesday night wars have given us two wrestling shows head and shoulders above what we had been getting fke the past 10 years, but the IWC are being tribal douchebags. I blame Trump. This is why we can't have nice things.
Not sure who the disciples of Cornette are. I’m not one of them. Joking about being the guy who threw the most phony punches in the history of televised wrestling is in fact COMPLETELY FUCKING STUPID. It really doesn’t even matter who it was. The fact that it happened is ridiculous enough. And the fact that the AEW “wrestlers” made fun of it on their YouTube serious is even more ridiculous. 

And now The Young Bucks have taken down their twitter accounts. They had no problem shitting all over the WWE, but now when people call them out for their shit, they close up shop.


Except they are still on Instagram and YouTube... This is becoming like politics. Why seek the truth when you can just shitpost hate?

If you don't like AEW, stop watching and STFU.

No, I won't just stop watching and STFU. The show has the potential to be a major player, you have some great established talents in the Rhodes, Moxley and Jericho and we end up seeing shit like the last show. When the promotion launched, a promise was made and it isn't being fulfilled. The crap we're seeing is not worthy of a national stage, it's becoming quite obvious that Omega and the Bucks are in waaaay over their heads and have no idea what they're doing. And now the money mark is giving stunners to workers after the shows.
If you don't like criticism of AEW, then may I suggest you stop visiting the board and delete your account; emulate the Bucks, tuck tail and run.

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I’m honestly thinking that the Bucks, Omega, and maybe even Cody are either already getting bored with the project, or had zero idea how much work it was going to be and are too lazy to follow through. Remember, Cody is the only one of that crew that has really worked his ass off 52 week a year...not putting down the others, but they haven’t even come close to working a WWE touring schedule. I’m starting to think that if somebody doesn’t come in to properly book things, and build some cohesive storylines, it’s not going to go well. And storylines don’t need to be like WWE soap opera bullshit - just the basics of two guys not liking each other and fighting for a few months. Then they move on to the next feud.

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But the Young Bucks' daddy said they're sweethearts. You guys are toxic

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Superstar wrote: I’m honestly thinking that the Bucks, Omega, and maybe even Cody are either already getting bored with the project, or had zero idea how much work it was going to be and are too lazy to follow through. Remember, Cody is the only one of that crew that has really worked his ass off 52 week a year...not putting down the others, but they haven’t even come close to working a WWE touring schedule. I’m starting to think that if somebody doesn’t come in to properly book things, and build some cohesive storylines, it’s not going to go well. And storylines don’t need to be like WWE soap opera bullshit - just the basics of two guys not liking each other and fighting for a few months. Then they move on to the next feud.

Yeah the booking...they do need a booker, because I feel it doesn't work having this guy book this and that guy book that.

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Infamous wrote: But the Young Bucks' daddy said they're sweethearts. You guys are toxic
And all I have to say to you...or ask I should say is, since it is Christmas, how about giving us here at S&W an all access login for a week or two at that all women BDSM website you run or help advertise that you have linked on your profile page here:http://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/users/323.html

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Here's a basic issue with the booking, in my opinion. Omega and the Bucks aren't over with the mainstream US wrestling audience and are trying to use them to get other people over.
Jericho, Moxley, Cody and Dustin are the people who and should be used in those roles, and in Jericho's case they are trying to do just that by having him work with and elevate Jungle Boy (BTW is he Jungle Boy, Jungle Jack Perry or what?).

Jericho vs JB should have ended the show, not the shit we saw. Elevate the kid along with Luchasaurus and you can make money with that duo (and at some point Saurus need to eat Marko Stunt).

There is time enough and the talent in place to right the ship and turn AEW into a legitimate alternative to WWE but it's going to take some experienced hands taking over and basically doing things that are Wrestling 101 in terms of feuds and booking.

edit:  I totally overlooked the best young heel in working right now, MJF. They rushed his turn on Cody IMO, but he is another person who with a little bit of polish can be used to get other workers over.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Infamous wrote: But the Young Bucks' daddy said they're sweethearts. You guys are toxic
And all I have to say to you...or ask I should say is, since it is Christmas, how about giving us here at S&W an all access login for a week or two at that all women BDSM website you run or help advertise that you have linked on your profile page here:http://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/users/323.html

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How many posters do we have on this site who run BDSM websites? There's that other guy too who hasn't been around for a while.

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Per AEW’s Facebook page:

New 2020 annual records will begin on #AEWDynamite this Wednesday, January 1.

Career #AEW records will be cumulative, and the annual records will reset each calendar year. The annual records will be increasingly important in the rankings as the new calendar year continues.

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I hope AEW does next gen stats and have the announcers say things like “Jericho is 27 and 4 on Wednesday nights that fall 3 days after a rainy day in the state they are wrestling in when no rain has been forecasted in the next 7 days”.

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srossi wrote: Per AEW’s Facebook page:

New 2020 annual records will begin on #AEWDynamite this Wednesday, January 1.

Career #AEW records will be cumulative, and the annual records will reset each calendar year. The annual records will be increasingly important in the rankings as the new calendar year continues.
I already posted this a few days ago.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Per AEW’s Facebook page:

New 2020 annual records will begin on #AEWDynamite this Wednesday, January 1.

Career #AEW records will be cumulative, and the annual records will reset each calendar year. The annual records will be increasingly important in the rankings as the new calendar year continues.
I already posted this a few days ago.

Well AEW just posted this 1 hour ago so apparently you gave them the idea. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Per AEW’s Facebook page:

New 2020 annual records will begin on #AEWDynamite this Wednesday, January 1.

Career #AEW records will be cumulative, and the annual records will reset each calendar year. The annual records will be increasingly important in the rankings as the new calendar year continues.
I already posted this a few days ago.

Well AEW just posted this 1 hour ago so apparently you gave them the idea. 

One of the “Elite” guys mentioned the reset months ago, so it was expected 

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I don’t see the point in talking about the records if everyone is going to bat .500 unless they just need more time to get to the point they are trying to get to for people to start breaking away. Such as so and so is 4 and 4 in singles but is 6-1 in tag matches and align them in a tag team or have someone go under .500 and then “perfect” a new move that propels them on a 15-0 run until some figured out the counter etc etc etc. I think it can be useful and interesting but could also be a nightmare to track especially if They pull out some dumb shit booking with an outside person getting pinned because the ref was partially blinded and thought so and so was in the match.
The one thing I like is that in the past 2 weeks, now that AEW has some shows under their belt, JR and Schiavone has been saying things like "So-and-so is on a 4-game winning streak."  I think that adds something as far as hot and cold streaks, but an overall won-loss records doesn't do anything for me now and will be absurd in 2 years once guys get to 40-38 or whatever.
The won-loss records will be reset on January 1st every year, making them even more corny imo unless they make it a contest for a prize that actually means something storyline wise. THAT could be very interesting to increase the Dynamite tv rating in the dog days of bad December ratings. A beej "2020 Mr. AEW Standings" contest could be money.
Well, I guess somebody has to give them some ideas since they literally have no booker.


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Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.

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BitterOldMan wrote: Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.I got the UWF Wrestling show at the time (the main show, not PPW) and I loved that angle. Didn't he finally beat Gary Young, or am I mixing up my angles?

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BitterOldMan wrote: Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.
Well there was that whole Goldberg streak.  I think it was 173-0, a completely kayfabed number.  I'm not sure what the real number was, even discounting his untelevised losses before making his TV debut, but I know they kept adding a lot of wins off TV when WCW rarely did house shows.

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MVP had a losing streak in 2009 which lasted around 5 months.

Curt Hawkins supposedly had a losing streak of 269 matches from 2017-2019.

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Kubrick wrote: MVP had a losing streak in 2009 which lasted around 5 months.

Curt Hawkins supposedly had a losing streak of 269 matches from 2017-2019.

I believe the Hawkins one was the legit number. Hawkins himself started tracking it and joking about it on Twitter long before it became an angle. 

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srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.
Well there was that whole Goldberg streak.  I think it was 173-0, a completely kayfabed number.  I'm not sure what the real number was, even discounting his untelevised losses before making his TV debut, but I know they kept adding a lot of wins off TV when WCW rarely did house shows.

WCW did a similar, stupider angle with Sid when he was feuding with Goldberg. IIRC he'd run in on matches he wasn't even in, powerbomb someone, and it would supposedly count as part of his streak of victories.

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DJP wrote: srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.
Well there was that whole Goldberg streak.  I think it was 173-0, a completely kayfabed number.  I'm not sure what the real number was, even discounting his untelevised losses before making his TV debut, but I know they kept adding a lot of wins off TV when WCW rarely did house shows.

WCW did a similar, stupider angle with Sid when he was feuding with Goldberg. IIRC he'd run in on matches he wasn't even in, powerbomb someone, and it would supposedly count as part of his streak of victories.It was typical of WCW to take something the fans had caught onto and ruined it.  They did the same with Goldberg by just adding fake matches to the total, when the real number was impressive enough.

I think The Streak was basically an internet thing - someone online pointed out Goldberg had won his first 20 matches or so and people then started counting.  WCW found out and fecked it up.

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kargol wrote: DJP wrote: srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Last time I recall seeing anything regarding won-loss records was when Mike "The Hippie" Boyette was brought into the UWF and went on a losing streak of epic proportion.
Well there was that whole Goldberg streak.  I think it was 173-0, a completely kayfabed number.  I'm not sure what the real number was, even discounting his untelevised losses before making his TV debut, but I know they kept adding a lot of wins off TV when WCW rarely did house shows.

WCW did a similar, stupider angle with Sid when he was feuding with Goldberg. IIRC he'd run in on matches he wasn't even in, powerbomb someone, and it would supposedly count as part of his streak of victories.It was typical of WCW to take something the fans had caught onto and ruined it.  They did the same with Goldberg by just adding fake matches to the total, when the real number was impressive enough.

I think The Streak was basically an internet thing - someone online pointed out Goldberg had won his first 20 matches or so and people then started counting.  WCW found out and fecked it up.

Nah, after his very first TV win he said “That’s one”. They were planning the streak from the beginning. They always could’ve killed it early if he didn’t get over. 

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Tanahashi requested an AEW title shot if he can defeat Jericho at Wrestle Kingdom, and today Jericho accepted. Conventional wisdom says that Jericho likely needs to win and the title shot will never happen, but we’ll see if AEW and NJPW can come to terms on a working agreement. So far, it’s mostly Jericho and Moxley just making their own deals.

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AEW sent us the following press release:

Cody Hires Wrestling Legend Arn Anderson as Personal Advisor and Head Coach for 2020 Season

(December 30, 2019) –Since AEW exploded onto the wrestling scene just one year ago, it has consistently dazzled fans with its groundbreaking shows, world-class roster, inclusive attitude and impactful announcements. To wrap AEW’s inaugural year, Cody today announced that legendary wrestler Arn Anderson will be Cody’s personal advisor and head coach for the 2020 season, starting with the New Year’s Day DYNAMITE show in Jacksonville, Fla.

A member of the world-renowned Four Horsemen and Dangerous Alliance, Anderson holds multiple tag team titles and was a longtime road agent for some of wrestling’s biggest stars. This past August, Anderson made a surprise appearance at ALL OUT when he nailed Cody’s opponent, Shawn Spears, with his signature spinebuster. Cody ultimately defeated Spears, who is coached by Anderson’s Four Horsemen teammate Tully Blanchard.

Anderson will be ringside with Cody as he begins the 2020 season with a rematch against Darby Allin on Wednesday, Jan. 1, at Daily’s Place in Jacksonville. Back in June, Cody and Allin fought to a time-limit draw at FYTER FEST. Cody granted Allin a rematch with the stipulation that Allin team up with him against The Butcher and The Blade. Cody and Allin emerged victorious, and are now on opposite sides of the ring in this highly anticipated match-up.

“2019 was the most successful year I’ve had in pro-wrestling,” said Cody, EVP of AEW. “Beyond the superfluous financial, it’s been incredibly rewarding on a spiritual level to be able to engage so many fans with a like-minded place in their hearts for the sport.

“That said, one of my greatest fears came true as I lost the opportunity to wrestle for the World Championship again. But, on the other side of that fear is freedom to chase every other accolade outside of that title. I still want to collect all the accolades I can and dominate the singles division. That’s why I’m bringing in Arn Anderson as my personal advisor and head coach. He has been in business with my family for over three decades. Having been a wrestler throughout so many different generations of talent, he understands what ingredients it takes to look beyond the horizon and produce the best content and results.”

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I'm always happy to see Double A on TV, and I think that his role for the past 20 years should have been on camera in WWE as a manager/mouthpiece for talent that needed to get over. Case in point - I think that he could've been assigned to Jack Swagger and gotten him over as a serious contender for the belt, instead of Dutch Mantel getting him over with the whole We The People gimmick that just had midcard stink all over it.
But with that said, I think that pairing Arn with Cody is wasting a talent, because Cody has the ability to speak. But what I'm hoping is that they are starting to see that they just can't throw the product on TV every week, there has to be some thought with the booking, and part of that is having people explain what's going on and why they are feuding with others. Arn is a perfect guy to get that over.

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Has anyone heard what the ratings were Wednesday yet?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Has anyone heard what the ratings were Wednesday yet?
Haven't heard yet but it was a weird day that probably won't mean anything.  It was New Year's and NXT was just running an awards show opposite it.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Has anyone heard what the ratings were Wednesday yet?
From Meltzer:

"After a week off for Christmas, AEW Dynamite returned on Wednesday night with its best ratings numbers since October 16. The show averaged 967,000 viewers, up 42 percent from the previous episode that aired on December 18.In the important 18-49 demo, AEW finished 13th for the night on cable with a 0.36 rating, up 44 percent from the previous episode and also the best number Dynamite has done in that category since October 16.

NXT, which aired a year in review show that featured the announcement of NXT's year-end awards and the teams for the 2020 Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic, had its lowest number on the USA Network, averaging 548,000 viewers. That was down 34 percent from last week.

NXT did a 0.15 rating in the 18-49 demo, dropping to 66th for the night on cable in that category. That number was down 32 percent from the Christmas night episode of NXT and was also the lowest number the show has done since its USA Network debut.

Detailed demo ratings are not available at this time for NXT since it finished outside the top 50. For AEW, their strongest category was men 18-49, where the show averaged a 0.52 rating.

Both shows faced much stronger than usual sports competition in the form of college football's Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl, along with the studio shows that aired before and after the games. The Rose Bowl did almost 15.7 million viewers, with the last 45 minutes of that game airing opposite NXT and AEW.

The post-game show and Sugar Bowl pre-game show dropped to 13 million. The Sugar Bowl averaged almost 10 million viewers, with the first hour going against the wrestling shows."

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It seems to me that there are a lot of people that have at least some interest in AEW. Obviously some like NXT better, but will watch AEW when NXT isn't on, or when NXT just has recap, or awards episode. AEW obviously is not delivering what the people who do not turn in every week want. There is an audience for them, but they cannot hold them.

NXT and AEW have to find a way to keep the people who had interest in their product (as evidenced by the amount of people who watched their shows the first couple of weeks) to watch every week. Their core audience is just people flipping back and forth between the two. They need the casuals to become interested full time. As does RAW and SD.

Fuck I don't know what I'm saying lol, I sound like Meltzer when he goes off into the weeds and rambles on and on.

All in all, wrestling just does not have the interest it used to have. I know lots of people like to say that this is the best time to be a fan(hint, hint Mr. Farmer), etc, etc, but really is it?

Just because we have access to practically every wrestling organization around the world nowadays doesn't mean shit if they don't put out a product that draws more than the hardcore fans in.

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Oh, and btw, thanks for posting Herb's ratings analysis Kriss. I guess I missed seeing that when I was over on the Observer site.


I think he did a WOR earlier today, so I am going to listen to what he has to say about the ratings. Although he is in Tokyo right now so I imagine it will be heavy on the puroresu talk.

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Damn good AEW rating this week considering the circumstances.

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carpetbeggar wrote: It seems to me that there are a lot of people that have at least some interest in AEW. Obviously some like NXT better, but will watch AEW when NXT isn't on, or when NXT just has recap, or awards episode. AEW obviously is not delivering what the people who do not turn in every week want. There is an audience for them, but they cannot hold them.

NXT and AEW have to find a way to keep the people who had interest in their product (as evidenced by the amount of people who watched their shows the first couple of weeks) to watch every week. Their core audience is just people flipping back and forth between the two. They need the casuals to become interested full time. As does RAW and SD.

Fuck I don't know what I'm saying lol, I sound like Meltzer when he goes off into the weeds and rambles on and on.

All in all, wrestling just does not have the interest it used to have. I know lots of people like to say that this is the best time to be a fan(hint, hint Mr. Farmer), etc, etc, but really is it?

Just because we have access to practically every wrestling organization around the world nowadays doesn't mean shit if they don't put out a product that draws more than the hardcore fans in.


Think back to WWF expansion era during the 80's & Monday Night Wars/Attitude Era. There was an industry wide buzz that we could sense as fans. Where is that today ? Those periods created new fans. Today's wrestling doesn't. And there is nothing on the horizon. No Hulkamania, no Austin 3:16, no NWO, no Rock, nothing besides more content. Wrestling as time filler. 7 hour WrestleMania, 3 hour RAW/SD, 2 hour Dynamite/NXT, 24/7 Network, etc. etc. etc.
Hey look! Another wrestling match! How original! I can't wait!

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I am more and more thinking that the older B-shows and C-shows are really underrated. Just think about how many people watched Worldwide, Pro or Saturday Night after Nitro started. A shitload of people watched those shows at various times. Same with all the WWF/WWE shows like Metal. But that is almost forgotten, because people just focus on the main eventers. So fuck your childhood idol, fuck the household names and realize that for whatever stupid reason enough people have watched and will watch some random wrestling mid card act for all eternity.

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Variety reported on the Wednesday Night Wars, and included a bit about DVR views that is getting a lot of attention. "Live+7" is total viewership of anyone who watched within 7 days of the live airing, and NXT is really killing it there. Their younger audience just does not watch anything live, so that number pushes AEW up by 32% in the18-49 demo, much more than that number helps NXT.

"AEW has the advantage in delayed viewing as well. In Live+7 through Dec. 18, “Dynamite” is averaging 1.2 million viewers per week, with 654,000 of those in 18-49. That represents an approximate viewership lift of 32% per week. NXT, meanwhile, is averaging 972,000 viewers in Live+7 with 428,000 in 18-49, a viewership lift of approximately 20%."

There's also a Live+Same Day number, which does not help AEW at all but pushes shows like Raw and Smackdown higher, showing that WWE's older demo (even older than NXT's) want to see these shows quickly whereas AEW fans don't think twice about waiting up to a week to watch.  "Live" means nothing to them and doesn't benefit AEW like it does WWE.  Which begs the question, why be live at all since it costs a ton more to produce one live show than maybe tape 2 shows at once and their fanbase doesn't care at all?

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To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.

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I thought tonight's show had a few misses, especially the Memphis tribute stuff (other than Dave Brown), but overall I liked tonight's episode. Hot crowd and the final segment with Mox and The Inner Circle was balls out. Anything's better than RAW.

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BitterOldMan wrote: To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.
Or maybe you and Cornette just aren't the demo for this show.  I'm sure TNT is absolutely thrilled right now and Tony Khan is having the time of his life.  Nothing is changing anytime soon.

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srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.
Or maybe you and Cornette just aren't the demo for this show.  I'm sure TNT is absolutely thrilled right now and Tony Khan is having the time of his life.  Nothing is changing anytime soon.

So Meltzer is spinning the ratings by focusing on the 18-49 demo? LOL. Funny since the guy spinning this shit is past the “key demo”. So are several of the top guys. Meltzer is so high on this shit because his play wrestler buddies worship him. AEW is all inclusive. Everyone gets to play. Doesn’t matter if you are missing legs, transsexual, 5 ft tall, 90 lb Joshi wrestler, or even a dentist, AEW has a spot for you. Focusing on one group goes completely against the AEW narrative. Ratings are ratings. Doesn’t matter if the person watching is 18 or 100. Picking apart age groups to look for a win in a non existent wrestling war is beyond ridiculous. 

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AEW has lost me completely. I now look for the Jericho stuff, the Moxley stuff, and not much more. I don't think it's an implication of the product as much as it is the fact that I just have no interest in seeing a guy fly 20 feet over the top rope onto three guys, and eight seconds later those three guys come off the top rope with back somersault 520 reverse corkscrew elbow moonsault fistdrops.

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.
Or maybe you and Cornette just aren't the demo for this show.  I'm sure TNT is absolutely thrilled right now and Tony Khan is having the time of his life.  Nothing is changing anytime soon.

So Meltzer is spinning the ratings by focusing on the 18-49 demo? LOL. Funny since the guy spinning this shit is past the “key demo”. So are several of the top guys. Meltzer is so high on this shit because his play wrestler buddies worship him. AEW is all inclusive. Everyone gets to play. Doesn’t matter if you are missing legs, transsexual, 5 ft tall, 90 lb Joshi wrestler, or even a dentist, AEW has a spot for you. Focusing on one group goes completely against the AEW narrative. Ratings are ratings. Doesn’t matter if the person watching is 18 or 100. Picking apart age groups to look for a win in a non existent wrestling war is beyond ridiculous. 

I'm no Meltzer fan, but to say ratings are ratings is absurd.  Demos are incredibly important to advertisers.

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srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.
Or maybe you and Cornette just aren't the demo for this show.  I'm sure TNT is absolutely thrilled right now and Tony Khan is having the time of his life.  Nothing is changing anytime soon.

So Meltzer is spinning the ratings by focusing on the 18-49 demo? LOL. Funny since the guy spinning this shit is past the “key demo”. So are several of the top guys. Meltzer is so high on this shit because his play wrestler buddies worship him. AEW is all inclusive. Everyone gets to play. Doesn’t matter if you are missing legs, transsexual, 5 ft tall, 90 lb Joshi wrestler, or even a dentist, AEW has a spot for you. Focusing on one group goes completely against the AEW narrative. Ratings are ratings. Doesn’t matter if the person watching is 18 or 100. Picking apart age groups to look for a win in a non existent wrestling war is beyond ridiculous. 

I'm no Meltzer fan, but to say ratings are ratings is absurd.  Demos are incredibly important to advertisers.

So the actual amount of people watching a wrestling show in a “wrestling war” now doesn’t matter even though before it really mattered. Got it. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: Vintage Wrestling wrote: srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: To paraphrase Corny, all AEW is, is two dogs f***ing on the side of the road. Without major changes in creative and production the ratings will drop over time until the point is reached where either TNT cuts them loose, or the money mark either forces a change or just stops paying.
Or maybe you and Cornette just aren't the demo for this show.  I'm sure TNT is absolutely thrilled right now and Tony Khan is having the time of his life.  Nothing is changing anytime soon.

So Meltzer is spinning the ratings by focusing on the 18-49 demo? LOL. Funny since the guy spinning this shit is past the “key demo”. So are several of the top guys. Meltzer is so high on this shit because his play wrestler buddies worship him. AEW is all inclusive. Everyone gets to play. Doesn’t matter if you are missing legs, transsexual, 5 ft tall, 90 lb Joshi wrestler, or even a dentist, AEW has a spot for you. Focusing on one group goes completely against the AEW narrative. Ratings are ratings. Doesn’t matter if the person watching is 18 or 100. Picking apart age groups to look for a win in a non existent wrestling war is beyond ridiculous. 

I'm no Meltzer fan, but to say ratings are ratings is absurd.  Demos are incredibly important to advertisers.

So the actual amount of people watching a wrestling show in a “wrestling war” now doesn’t matter even though before it really mattered. Got it. 

It's actually a lot more complicated than before with almost no one watching TV in a traditional way anymore, but demos have always been big for advertisers.  The demo difference between WWE and WCW just wasn't as great though, and in general advertisers had no respect for either.  

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Rossi is correct. Wrestling was never able to full cash in on the late 90s viewing highs because there was a perception that wrestling fans were stupid and poor, so they couldn't get the same advertising dollars that a drama or comedy with the same viewer numbers would get. That had everything to do with demographics.

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Kriss wrote: Rossi is correct. Wrestling was never able to full cash in on the late 90s viewing highs because there was a perception that wrestling fans were stupid and poor, so they couldn't get the same advertising dollars that a drama or comedy with the same viewer numbers would get. That had everything to do with demographics.
What are the advertising dollar differences between AEW and NXT? Who’s winning there?

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Kriss wrote: Rossi is correct. Wrestling was never able to full cash in on the late 90s viewing highs because there was a perception that wrestling fans were stupid and poor, so they couldn't get the same advertising dollars that a drama or comedy with the same viewer numbers would get. That had everything to do with demographics.
Bischoff just talked about this on his podcast a few weeks ago. Said even when they (WCW/WWE Monday night wars) were pulling in massive ratings they were stuck in a box on getting advertisers because of the perception of what wrestling was. He said about AEW that they need to build on what they'e doing especially in those key demographics because a year from now they're going to need REALLY strong ratings there to get any advertising..basically they have to work twice as hard as a typical television program..

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Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Kriss wrote: Rossi is correct. Wrestling was never able to full cash in on the late 90s viewing highs because there was a perception that wrestling fans were stupid and poor, so they couldn't get the same advertising dollars that a drama or comedy with the same viewer numbers would get. That had everything to do with demographics.
What are the advertising dollar differences between AEW and NXT? Who’s winning there?
Great question, Vintage.  I will try to get something for you.  I do know that NXT doesn’t get as good of a rate as RAW, meaning, commercials are quite a bit cheaper.
I can say this without question:  Before RAW went PG, nobody major would advertise on it.  USA was getting ratings out of its ass, and making more money on advertising for reruns of it or movies.  It was like five cents on the dollar.  Pepsi, Subaru, Hershey, JCPenney, Wendy’s, and Ashley Home Furniture (off the top of my head) all had very strict guidelines:  Primetime, no WWE.  If any of their ads ran during the program, they not only didn’t pay, their agency contracts were terminated and they could move on to a new ad firm.  After going PG and I’m betting that WWE spent a lot of time and money behind the scenes to prove themselves, it’s relaxed quite a bit.  But RAW still only gets about 40-50% of the advertising dollar as reruns of tv shows and movies get on Primetime USA.  

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srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
I agree with him. They have to have focus and appeal to a wider audience than just the super smarts. And they’re not pretending other companies don’t exist, they just don’t want to muddle their own title scene by showing 30 belts that they don’t control. Jericho and Moxley traveling to Japan was acknowledged and even mentioned as part of the angle (“They were in Japan alone together this weekend so maybe they made an agreement”) so they’re not insulting the intelligence of the fans who obviously know Wrestle Kingdom is a big deal. They just don’t want more casual fans to wonder why everyone in the company has a belt and how it relates to AEW. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
I agree with him. They have to have focus and appeal to a wider audience than just the super smarts. And they’re not pretending other companies don’t exist, they just don’t want to muddle their own title scene by showing 30 belts that they don’t control. Jericho and Moxley traveling to Japan was acknowledged and even mentioned as part of the angle (“They were in Japan alone together this weekend so maybe they made an agreement”) so they’re not insulting the intelligence of the fans who obviously know Wrestle Kingdom is a big deal. They just don’t want more casual fans to wonder why everyone in the company has a belt and how it relates to AEW. 
I agree with you, they shouldn't have a bunch of meaningless belts on their tv. I specifically was talking about NJPW and AAA belts. Especially if AEW has a working relationship with them and obviously if AEW talent currently hold the titles. 

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
I agree with him. They have to have focus and appeal to a wider audience than just the super smarts. And they’re not pretending other companies don’t exist, they just don’t want to muddle their own title scene by showing 30 belts that they don’t control. Jericho and Moxley traveling to Japan was acknowledged and even mentioned as part of the angle (“They were in Japan alone together this weekend so maybe they made an agreement”) so they’re not insulting the intelligence of the fans who obviously know Wrestle Kingdom is a big deal. They just don’t want more casual fans to wonder why everyone in the company has a belt and how it relates to AEW. 
I agree with you, they shouldn't have a bunch of meaningless belts on their tv. I specifically was talking about NJPW and AAA belts. Especially if AEW has a working relationship with them and obviously if AEW talent currently hold the titles. 

They don’t have a working relationship with NJPW. It’s quite icy actually. Jericho and Moxley made their own deals. 

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
AEW is going after wrestling fans, not fans of "sports entertainment"? Really??

You've got a guy who keeps his hands in his pockets and pretends to kick people, an "alien" who doesn't speak, guys who look like Uncle Fester crawling from under the ring and and anime character as a champion. And those are just a few of the examples I could cite.

Who the f**k are you kidding?

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BitterOldMan wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
AEW is going after wrestling fans, not fans of "sports entertainment"? Really??

You've got a guy who keeps his hands in his pockets and pretends to kick people, an "alien" who doesn't speak, guys who look like Uncle Fester crawling from under the ring and and anime character as a champion. And those are just a few of the examples I could cite.

Who the f**k are you kidding?
You're starting to come across as a bitter old man.

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Heenan Fan wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Tony Khan has decided to keep all non-AEW titles off of TV. Moxley’s IWGP U.S. title win was not mentioned and he didn’t appear with the belt last week. Omega once defended his AAA Mega title on Dark but will no longer bring the belt to AEW. Khan feels that it’s confusing to fans to have too many titles, especially ones that don’t belong to the company. Both a Moxley and Jericho wrestling in Japan last weekend was mentioned, but without specifics.I disagree with Tony's decision to keep non-AEW belts off TV. The audience that AEW is going after are wrestling fans, not sports entertainment minions. Nobody is going to be confused unless they're mentally retarded. This is something Vince and Stephanie would do. I thought Tony was hipper than that. It's not like NJPW or AAA is your direct competition.
AEW is going after wrestling fans, not fans of "sports entertainment"? Really??

You've got a guy who keeps his hands in his pockets and pretends to kick people, an "alien" who doesn't speak, guys who look like Uncle Fester crawling from under the ring and and anime character as a champion. And those are just a few of the examples I could cite.

Who the f**k are you kidding?
You're starting to come across as a bitter old man.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy in your statement; if that makes me bitter then  c'est la vie.

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It's hypocritical. Everything, often including the main event in WWE is junior H.S. dick jokes. AEW only does comedy in the mid card for the most part and it's usually funny. WWE comedy is everywhere on the show and it's booked to be cheesy on purpose and sucks.

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Heenan Fan wrote: It's hypocritical. Everything, often including the main event in WWE is junior H.S. dick jokes. AEW only does comedy in the mid card for the most part and it's usually funny. WWE comedy is everywhere on the show and it's booked to be cheesy on purpose and sucks.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that The Dark Order were mid-card and not being pushed as a top heel faction.
Must be because I'm old and bitter.

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BitterOldMan wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: It's hypocritical. Everything, often including the main event in WWE is junior H.S. dick jokes. AEW only does comedy in the mid card for the most part and it's usually funny. WWE comedy is everywhere on the show and it's booked to be cheesy on purpose and sucks.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that The Dark Order were mid-card and not being pushed as a top heel faction.
Must be because I'm old and bitter.


Haha...you are right B.O.M. I main problem is the booking and how a lot of storylines don't make sense. Too many chiefs have the pencil I think.

Did you listen to the latest episode of the Cornette Experience podcast?

Jim is so much better at articulating the problems with AEW (and their good points also). More often than not I find myself agreeing with him on the company. Brian Last, his co-host makes good points also. He is so right about their women's division, it is such a mess.).

I also think Vince Russo and Disco Inferno make good points about AEW. Say what you want about Russo, but I find some of his content he puts out on his "Brand" podacast network really good. I actually look forward watching every week his new episodes of "Castrating The Marks" and "Lions, Tigers, Bears and Disco" podcasts. "Master Shoot Theater", which Russo hosts with Stevie Richards and Bin Hamin sometimes is good also.

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I listen to Cornette's podcast regularly, and at the risk of sounding like a fanboy I think he is spot on with most of his critique of AEW. In particular, the way the women are being booked and having a 98 lb anime character as champ. I'm not just taking his word on it but someone else give me a better reason why Riho is the women's champ other than the booker having an anime fetish.

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AEW has signed former Impact World champion Brain Cage, who the Young Bucks are very familiar with from the southern California indy scene.

Cage was supposed to wrap up his Impact dates at the Hard to Kill PPV and possibly the TV tapings that followed but wound up getting a shoulder injury, so he has already wrestled his last Impact match. His scheduled match at the PPV against Rob Van Dam turned into an injury angle where RVD destroyed him, and that was likely his swan song.

Cage is expected out of action for 5 months, so you likely won't see him pop up in AEW anytime soon either. Cage won the Impact World title from John Morrison on April 28 but suffered a serious back injury in that match, marring his title reign. He held the title until October 25 when Sami Callahan beat him, but he barely wrestled during that period.

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srossi wrote: AEW has signed former Impact World champion Brain Cage, who the Young Bucks are very familiar with from the southern California indy scene.

Cage was supposed to wrap up his Impact dates at the Hard to Kill PPV and possibly the TV tapings that followed but wound up getting a shoulder injury, so he has already wrestled his last Impact match. His scheduled match at the PPV against Rob Van Dam turned into an injury angle where RVD destroyed him, and that was likely his swan song.

Cage is expected out of action for 5 months, so you likely won't see him pop up in AEW anytime soon either. Cage won the Impact World title from John Morrison on April 28 but suffered a serious back injury in that match, marring his title reign. He held the title until October 25 when Sami Callahan beat him, but he barely wrestled during that period.

Cage hasn't signed yet according to his wife on the Twitters.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: AEW has signed former Impact World champion Brain Cage, who the Young Bucks are very familiar with from the southern California indy scene.

Cage was supposed to wrap up his Impact dates at the Hard to Kill PPV and possibly the TV tapings that followed but wound up getting a shoulder injury, so he has already wrestled his last Impact match. His scheduled match at the PPV against Rob Van Dam turned into an injury angle where RVD destroyed him, and that was likely his swan song.

Cage is expected out of action for 5 months, so you likely won't see him pop up in AEW anytime soon either. Cage won the Impact World title from John Morrison on April 28 but suffered a serious back injury in that match, marring his title reign. He held the title until October 25 when Sami Callahan beat him, but he barely wrestled during that period.

Cage hasn't signed yet according to his wife on the Twitters.

Good thing people only tell the truth on Twitter. 

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srossi wrote: AEW has signed former Impact World champion Brain Cage, who the Young Bucks are very familiar with from the southern California indy scene.

Cage was supposed to wrap up his Impact dates at the Hard to Kill PPV and possibly the TV tapings that followed but wound up getting a shoulder injury, so he has already wrestled his last Impact match. His scheduled match at the PPV against Rob Van Dam turned into an injury angle where RVD destroyed him, and that was likely his swan song.

Cage is expected out of action for 5 months, so you likely won't see him pop up in AEW anytime soon either. Cage won the Impact World title from John Morrison on April 28 but suffered a serious back injury in that match, marring his title reign. He held the title until October 25 when Sami Callahan beat him, but he barely wrestled during that period.

I was watching a bit of Impact when he and Morrison were building up to the title match, which he won.

I was impressed by him, but I did get the feeling he was going to have a lot of injuries during his career. He has a bit of that bodybuilder physique. With him carrying all that muscle mass and working the style he does (highflying/diving) I just got the impression he was going to be injury prone.

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His matches vs. Tessa Blanchard are lights out (insert joke here). No I'm serious. I'm not into intergender matches, but their matches shown on impact were damn good. He looks like Brakkus, but he can work. Definitely injury prone though.

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Wrestling fans get way too hung up on the Monday Night Wars ratings, both the WWE's highs circa 2000 and WCW's depths that year. This goes not only for fans in their 30s and 40s who really lived it, but also for those too young to have experienced that era in the way they watch wrestling now.

The situation with TV was completely different back then compared to now. Back then if you cut the cord, you watched the half dozen local channels. There was no streaming. The internet was still very new and was used differently as an entertainment platform. If you had cable, you likely got 80 plus channels and maybe not that much. No one had hundreds of channels like now. HDTV was just getting started and little was actually broadcast in that format.

The TV audience has been fragmented and fragmented many times over in the past 20 years. The ratings of the Monday Night Wars and even what the WWE was pulling in circa 2005-2007 are long gone and will never be attained again. The ratings will continue to get lower and the concentration in the past decade plus has been on key demographics as opposed to a mass audience. The top 10 rated network prime time shows now get ratings that in the 1980s would have led to cancellation. AEW's ratings aren't what the WWE and WCW got two decades ago and never will be at that level. People need to adjust how they look at the ratings and get that AEW is doing fine for what it and TNT need.

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I didn't watch AEW last week so I am fast forwarding through it now to get caught up.


I have a question...How the F is Michael Nakazawa?


I had NEVER heard or seen his name pop up anywhere until AEW started. I know he is "close" friends with Omega, but besides being that does he really deserve a spot in AEW?

I know he isn't featured much, so what the hell does he do?

I wonder how much they are paying him to be Omega's Beefcake?


Actually...Brutus was actually OVER in the WWF, so I think he deserved his spot back then.


AEW makes him look like Omega's "punk" every week by having PAC abuse him to get to Omega.


His ring work is basically forgettable..I mean he is nothing special and the baby oil gimmick is stupid. How far can you go with gimmick? After you've seen it twice or three times it's done. Right?


The Elite guys are becoming the people in this business who they complained about. They wanted to be different and "for the boys". They are going down the same path by each of them hiring their own lackeys.




Oh and that women's match is stupid. I mean "Luther" really. No one knew who he was except Excalibur.He is going on like we should already know him. This women's division really is F'ed up....Lol, Luther? Really? Jericho is just as guilty as the Elite in getting their buddies hired.....I'm sure Jericho defense is probably something like "He was such a great talent that never got the opportunity to show what he can do".


WRONG Chris...he had opportunities, including Japan where he worked a lot, and he really showed nothing special. Just another wrestler that relied on garbage matches to get somewhat known. He sucks..Nepotism bullshit.

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Besides MJF, I think Sammy is the REAL diamond in the rough in AEW. I think he will be a bigger star than Darby and Jungle Boy.

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Dark Order is stupid... What are they....In the vignettes they present a NWO (not the wrestling one), corporate type look and then when the guys come out to wrestle they look like some S&M gang with the leather and all black look.

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Scorpio Sky is amazing...He still could be a big star in this business now that he is getting this national exposure.

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I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.

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carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
No thought or logic in this promotion.  I am still watching but losing interest each passing moment 

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Dynamite opened tonight with a pic of Rocky Johnson, so they did that fast. I wonder if NXT did too. J.R. also started by extending condolences to the families of Pampero Firpo, Kendo Nagasaki, and La Parka, which I know WWE won’t do, so that was a nice touch.

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Oh for fucks sake. That four way suplex shit. I think they just totally jumped the shark for me.

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So...what are you thoughts on that multi-suplex spot with Orange Cassidy?


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carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
I believe it's a slow build storyline leading to Arn turning on Cody and some kind of revival to the Horsemen-Rhodes feud. Just my theory though.

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Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
I believe it's a slow build storyline leading to Arn turning on Cody and some kind of revival to the Horsemen-Rhodes feud. Just my theory though.
I stated something like that a couple weeks ago and I was told no one in their right mind remembers that and it would be pointless.

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Quattro wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
I believe it's a slow build storyline leading to Arn turning on Cody and some kind of revival to the Horsemen-Rhodes feud. Just my theory though.
I stated something like that a couple weeks ago and I was told no one in their right mind remembers that and it would be pointless.

I think I said that and I think it’s still true. Just not the demo for that angle. 

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Has Cody been coming up short in big matches? why would he seek out a coach? Or was it Arn who approached him saying he saw something Cody was missing.

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Quattro wrote: Oh for fucks sake. That four way suplex shit. I think they just totally jumped the shark for me.

Yeah that was bad. Their live crowd is into it because they are mostly smart marks and it's fun to cheer for spot fests.

But watching on Tv is a different story. The tag matches have way too much "cooperation spots" It looks so so bad on tv watching them set up the next sequence. Sure the matches are exciting, but I guarantee no one remembers a Young Bucks match the next day. It's a ll a blur. I remember Hogan-Andre, Hart-Austin, ect, ect..

I seem to love critiquing AEW more than anything lol...It's fun..but frustrating. 

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Franchise wrote: Has Cody been coming up short in big matches? why would he seek out a coach? Or was it Arn who approached him saying he saw something Cody was missing.
There was no explanation or reason. The storytelling you’re looking for just doesn’t exist outside of maybe the Jericho stuff. 

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srossi wrote: Quattro wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
I believe it's a slow build storyline leading to Arn turning on Cody and some kind of revival to the Horsemen-Rhodes feud. Just my theory though.
I stated something like that a couple weeks ago and I was told no one in their right mind remembers that and it would be pointless.

I think I said that and I think it’s still true. Just not the demo for that angle. 
The demo is me, myself, and I...and I wouldn't mind seeing it.

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srossi wrote: Quattro wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I find it really weird with Arn "coaching" Cody....Isn't Cody perceived as a veteran in this business now?

Why would he need a "coach"? He doesn't need Arn to talk for him...He is great on his own.


Arn would be better served "coaching" someone else who isn't that good on the "mike" yet.
I believe it's a slow build storyline leading to Arn turning on Cody and some kind of revival to the Horsemen-Rhodes feud. Just my theory though.
I stated something like that a couple weeks ago and I was told no one in their right mind remembers that and it would be pointless.

I think I said that and I think it’s still true. Just not the demo for that angle. 
Should have known it was Rossi. Doh 

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Franchise wrote: Has Cody been coming up short in big matches? why would he seek out a coach? Or was it Arn who approached him saying he saw something Cody was missing.

To tell you the truth I don't think there was much explaining or build up.

I think it is also building to Arn turning on him, but still, I think being his "coach" is stupid. If he needed a "coach" just look to his brother Dustin.

And if all these new fans wouldn't know the Horseman-Rhodes story, then why didn't they even explain who Arn is?
I mean he has been off TV for 20 years.

that is their problem, they just expect everyone to know who everyone is...Or at least Excalibur does...but someone must be fine with it as he still does it as evidenced last week with Luther. Poor J.R. tries so hard to set Excalibur up on commentary to explain the history of these guys, but he too dumb, or arrogant to "click in".

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Good. I've always enjoyed seeing wrestlers being humiliated by getting a country whipping. Hopefully they dump honey and chicken feathers on Excalibur too.

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Old school heel Oh for fucks sake again.

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The last two weeks of NWA power have been so much better than this.

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Now I like this Pak dude.

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My 46 year old self has much more muscles than this joey jenella dude

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Jelly Janela is terrible.....How the Fuck were we supposed to have known she was his ex....It's like they know they fucked up, so they try to fix everything the next week as evidenced with Janela giving us the story about why that girl gave him a nut shot last week.

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And is Brandi a heel but hubby is the ultimate baby face?

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Now a space alien and some kind of cannibal Luther dude. Wtf.

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LOL at Tony trying to put "Luther" over on commentary. "Everyone knows Luther"...Bulshit Tony..You and JR had no clue who he was last week.....SEE another example of trying to explain everything after the fact.

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Quattro wrote: Now a space alien and some kind of cannibal Luther dude. Wtf.

Yeah see needs to drop the alien deal... They have gave us absolutely no explanation why this women wrestler thinks see if an alien.

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I am not sure they were not bagging on Excalibur

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That bald chick has some size to her also. I like her so far. I have no idea who her name is still though lol.

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No crowd reaction

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LOL at J.R. with his sly comments "I don't understand the psychology of that".

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Shida hits like a girl.

Oh wait.

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Anyone here know if there is anything to the rumor that when Dynamite ends and goes off the air, J.R. just gets up from the announce table, goes out and jumps in his car and leaves?

Apparently he just there to do his job and has tried to talk to them about booking, etc, but they just aren't interested in his help.

Omega(who is very thin skinned and doesn't take criticism well) and The Bucks (who I guess are not too nice of dudes when off the camera and play the political games)think they know it all because they were over in Japan and the indy scene.

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See what I am saying about the Dark Order. In the vignettes they present a corporate look, but in the ring look like a bunch of guys who hang out at a fetish only S&M club.

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This dark order shit is dumb as anything ever aired on any wrestling program ever. Fk

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Quattro wrote: This dark order shit is dumb as anything ever aired on any wrestling program ever. Fk

Quattro, I have to say...I kinda like tearing this program apart every week with you. :)

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I like Sammy and I think the deal he does during the commercial is great.

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Agree on Sammy.

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Crowd not great for moxley match.

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Another nobody lackey QT? Who the f is he and what has he done? He isn't anything special in the ring.

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I need to get myself a pet bunny...My god she is hot.

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carpetbeggar wrote: I need to get myself a pet bunny...My god she is hot.
Allie from Impact.

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Darby Allen/PAC match wasn't too bad with PAC carrying the guy to a decent match. Allen appears to be around 135lbs.

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I rarely ever see this much reaction and posts to any other live wrestling show on S&W, so AEW is obviously doing something right...cue up the attacks on me...

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Maybe but I’m posting in this thread and not watching it so there is that.

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You guys should really watch NXT instead.

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carpetbeggar wrote: That bald chick has some size to her also. I like her so far. I have no idea who her name is still though lol.

Her ring name was Melanie Cruise and she's been on the midwest Indy scene for the last decade, and has made trips to Japan as well. She has been tagging with Stacy Shadows who had a few appearances in ROH for at least one company here in Wisconsin. Mel is a sweetheart and has good in ring skills. I hope she does well and makes good money while she's there.

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The Dusty tag tourney was really good tonight.

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Sorry I fell asleep. How did this thing end? Last thing I remember was announcer lady boobs then Bunny chick came out. Looking at them two made me have sweet dreams.......

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Heenan Fan wrote: The Dusty tag tourney was really good tonight.
It was great seeing Alex Shelley in an NXT ring, even though you knew he was the one who would do the job.  On Twitter you can tell how much this meant to him.  This is a guy who already semi-retired due to an accumulation of injuries and had given up on ever making it to WWE, and he finally got his match in a high-profile setting.  

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PWInsider:

TNT President Kevin Reilly discussed All Elite Wrestling Dynamite's new TV pact during the Television Critics Association press tour in Los Angeles yesterday, commenting, “I just had this idea that this was the time to invest. This is a startup. It’s already over-delivered out of the gate. That’s really when you want to hit the gasoline a little bit. The guys already have ideas about additional talent and things they want to do and I wanted to incentivize them as a partner to do that. We also wanted to gave fans and talent who potentially want to come work with us the sense that this is here to stay. You can invest in it, it’s here to stay, and it’s only going to get better.”

Reilly also stated that the new All Elite Wrestling series on TNT will be AEW Dark, according to TheWrap.com, . The Dark series, which was conceived with the end goal of being placed on a Turner cable network, currently airs Tuesday nights on YouTube. The series' title and airing day may change, but that is not confirmed.

Reilly commented, "We’re going to embellish [‘AEW Dark’ on YouTube] and put some additional material, kind of behind-the-scenes, kind of docu-follow stuff, if you will, about the athletes and the stories. We think that’s going to end up being a really good, robust, different kind of show.”

There is no date as to when the series will migrate to TNT and according to Reilly, while the series will air weekly, it may not air 52 weeks a year.

AEW and WarnerMedia announced yesterday that they have forged a new pact through 2023. The new deal will include AEW being paid a licensing fee for their programming

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All Elite Wrestling announced today that former ECW World Champion Taz has signed a multi-year deal with the company:

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bpickering wrote: All Elite Wrestling announced today that former ECW World Champion Taz has signed a multi-year deal with the company:
Perhaps to call the new show?

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: All Elite Wrestling announced today that former ECW World Champion Taz has signed a multi-year deal with the company:
Perhaps to call the new show?
From what I read, he was doing commentary for stuff that would air next week, so I'm assuming he's going on Dark.  Honestly, I would put him in the booth next to Tony and say adios to JR and the masked guy that has zero personality.

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Kriss wrote: You guys should really watch NXT instead.

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Superstar wrote:   Honestly, I would put him in the booth next to Tony and say adios to JR and the masked guy that has zero personality.

Me too. Honestly the only beef I really have with AEW other than too many dives is JR and the masked guy..

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AEW won the ratings battle again last night 940,000 to 700,000. Both shows were down a bit from last week.

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The Dives (though overdone) I'll take.  The tag formula and constant kick out of big moves drives me bats though.  

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Chris Jericho and Aaron Rodgers on The Dan Le Batard show earlier this week, 38 minutes long:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/espn/the-dan-lebatard-show-with-stugotz/e/66561414

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Tonight was a really fun episode of Dynamite from Jericho’s cruise ship. Good matches and rabid crowd.

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AEW did 871,000, down about 70,000 from last week. Not bad for a taped show aimed at a hardcore fan audience. They still beat NXT, which was up with 769,000.

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Heenan Fan wrote: AEW did 871,000, down about 70,000 from last week. Not bad for a taped show aimed at a hardcore fan audience. They still beat NXT, which was up with 769,000.
I didn't realize it was taped.  I'm almost positive the screen still flashed "Live" in the upper left corner.

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Live to tape..

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They were telling you that you should live instead of die. It was one of those subcutaneous messages. Or is it a cunnilingual message. I sometimes have trouble with these things.

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I’m not sure who said it or when, but someone wanted to know when Omega and Riho would team in AEW, and it happened on the Jericho Cruise where they beat Joey Janela and Penelope in what was supposed to be a really good match. No word on if it will air anywhere. Probably just a special treat for the hardcore fans on the boat.

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srossi wrote: I’m not sure who said it or when, but someone wanted to know when Omega and Riho would team in AEW, and it happened on the Jericho Cruise where they beat Joey Janela and Penelope in what was supposed to be a really good match. No word on if it will air anywhere. Probably just a special treat for the hardcore fans on the boat.

A treat?

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: I’m not sure who said it or when, but someone wanted to know when Omega and Riho would team in AEW, and it happened on the Jericho Cruise where they beat Joey Janela and Penelope in what was supposed to be a really good match. No word on if it will air anywhere. Probably just a special treat for the hardcore fans on the boat.

A treat?

To those fans it definitely was. There’s a huge disconnect between what people here bitch about and what the AEW diehards want. 

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So what did everyone think?

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. O'Sullivan and some others over on the 'Dynamite' thread at WC said the show was garbage except for the Cody/MJF segment. I have it DVR'ed so I will probably check it out tomorrow night.

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It wasn't garbage, but it wasn't anything special either. Once again the show seemed to fly by in real time, which is always a good sign.

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carpetbeggar wrote: So what did everyone think?

I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. O'Sullivan and some others over on the 'Dynamite' thread at WC said the show was garbage except for the Cody/MJF segment. I have it DVR'ed so I will probably check it out tomorrow night.

The Cody-MJF segment was the strongest they've had since the early Jericho interviews where he was laying the foundation for the Inner Circle.  Really good stuff.  The rest of the show was absolutely fine.  If O'Sullivan and others son't like these types of matches then guess what, they're going to really be aggravated every single week so maybe they should just stop watching.  It's not changing.    

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Heenan Fan wrote: It wasn't garbage, but it wasn't anything special either. Once again the show seemed to fly by in real time, which is always a good sign.
This. It wasn't bad, it wasn't great, but damn if 2 hours didn't seem like 30 min..that's the best thing about AEW...

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Married Jo wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: It wasn't garbage, but it wasn't anything special either. Once again the show seemed to fly by in real time, which is always a good sign.
This. It wasn't bad, it wasn't great, but damn if 2 hours didn't seem like 30 min..that's the best thing about AEW...

I notice this every week, as opposed to a WWE show.  Even NXT UK seems to drag and they're only an hour.  AEW flies by so they're clearly doing something right in terms of pacing that WWE hasn't figured out.  

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There was a hilarious example of why you should sometimes clue in your announcers last night. JR was trying to make a point that Stu Grayson was the only member of the Dark Order who doesn't wear a mask. All the while there are two other men in the ring who have just unmasked. Excalibur quickly added "Except John Silver." The other guy didn't even get acknowledged, but I think it was Alex Reynolds. Not sure what the point is in unmasking wrestlers who are so unknown that even Excaliber doesn't get excited about them.

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Kriss wrote: There was a hilarious example of why you should sometimes clue in your announcers last night. JR was trying to make a point that Stu Grayson was the only member of the Dark Order who doesn't wear a mask. All the while there are two other men in the ring who have just unmasked. Excalibur quickly added "Except John Silver." The other guy didn't even get acknowledged, but I think it was Alex Reynolds. Not sure what the point is in unmasking wrestlers who are so unknown that even Excaliber doesn't get excited about them.
They've explained all of that, even if JR might have not been paying attention.  Silver and Reynolds have been Dark Order pledges for a while now  It was not meant to be a surprise.    

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Last night's ratings:

AEW did 928,000, a 100,000 rise from last week. Did drop from #3 to #11 in the ratings, but the actual key demo rating was higher.


NXT did 770,000. Up about 50,000 from last week, although you would think Charlotte's presence might of lead to more of a bump than that.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Last night's ratings:

AEW did 928,000, a 100,000 rise from last week. Did drop from #3 to #11 in the ratings, but the actual key demo rating was higher.


NXT did 770,000. Up about 50,000 from last week, although you would think Charlotte's presence might of lead to more of a bump than that.

Can I ask you a question? like why would you believe people would tune into see Charlotte at a high demand.

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krazykid18 wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Last night's ratings:

AEW did 928,000, a 100,000 rise from last week. Did drop from #3 to #11 in the ratings, but the actual key demo rating was higher.


NXT did 770,000. Up about 50,000 from last week, although you would think Charlotte's presence might of lead to more of a bump than that.

Can I ask you a question? like why would you believe people would tune into see Charlotte at a high demand.
Because she has big tits and most WWE fans are easily amused.

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Heenan Fan wrote: krazykid18 wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Last night's ratings:

AEW did 928,000, a 100,000 rise from last week. Did drop from #3 to #11 in the ratings, but the actual key demo rating was higher.


NXT did 770,000. Up about 50,000 from last week, although you would think Charlotte's presence might of lead to more of a bump than that.

Can I ask you a question? like why would you believe people would tune into see Charlotte at a high demand.
Because she has big tits and most WWE fans are easily amused.

Paige's most recent plastic surgery might rival Charlotte's " enhancements".

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PWInsider:

Jeff Cobb, former ROH Television Champion and Never Openweight Champion for New Japan Pro Wrestling, has been announced as making his All Elite Wrestling debut tonight with the the storyline being that Cobb has been brought in by Chris Jericho as a bounty hunter.  

Cobb is backstage at tonight's AEW TV taping, PWInsider.com has confirmed.

While Cobb is still working for both Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro Wrestling, his appearance is not a sign that AEW has forged a working relationship with either promotion. Cobb is currently a free agent as his ROH deal expired at the end of 2019 and he declined to sign a new deal.  He was booked directly by AEW as he is free to work anywhere, so his debut tonight should not be seen as anything greater than just that – a debut.

Based on Jericho's promo, Cobb is booked for next week’s episode of Dynamite in Atlanta against Moxley.  Cobb has not, as of this writing, signed with AEW.

Cobb, 37, first broke into national prominence as Matanza Cueto in Lucha Underground.  Since then, he’s worked under his ring name for a number of major promotions, including ROH, New Japan and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla.  He and Dan Maff are currently in line for a future ROH Tag Team Championship bout against Jonathan Gresham and Jay Lethal.

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Nyla Rose over Rhio for the strap tonight was a really cool match. I love the fact that AEW only has 4 ppvs a year. It makes their weekly tv's so much more interesting. Dynamite is basically a mini Supercard, unlike RAW and Smackdown, which come across as infomercials for the monthly WWE ppv.

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AEW notes from PWInsider:

For those who have asked, the creative direction within the company since the onset of 2020 has primarily been Tony Khan. The EVPs all have a say in what they are doing and are trusted, but all of the current storylines and pushes are Khan edicts and he's been very hands on with laying out exactly what he wants out of each segment in recent weeks.

The Double or Nothing pre-sale today was extremely strong and all signs are the PPV will sell out when it goes on sale tomorrow officially.

As of today, Jeff Cobb is only booked for next Wednesday's Dynamite in Atlanta. His status with Ring of Honor and New Japan remains unchanged. As we reported yesterday, he is not signed to anyone and can work anywhere he wants.

There are tentatively slated to be a number of Dynamite tapings in California this June. Since that's where the Young Bucks are from, it will very much be a homecoming for them.

Lexie, the new interviewer, is the daughter of Diamond Dallas Page.

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AEW drew only 817,000 last night, down about 110,000 from the previous week.

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I watched the show with the volume down for most of it, but overall I thought the show was really good. I wish Brandi still hated Excalibur though instead of apologizing lol.


The Inner Circle is starting to go the NWO route with the more the merrier approach. I think Cobb should have come in on his own like Pac. They have Jack Hager...He should be the one giving the beatdowns.


I was glad that REEEHOOOOE dropped the belt. I think she would be better suited in being the underdog chasing the title.


I'm still not into the Dark Order. I hate when all the babyfaces run down to confront and beat them up.


Okay, I kinda dig Orange Cassidy. I wish they would do more things with him like they did at that big show where someone got thrown into the bathroom door and he was just randomly in there. More of that would be gold imo.


But where does all of this go eventually. He can't just keep doing what he has been doing. People will grow sick of him. Where do you think the "Orange Cassidy angle" will go?

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carpetbeggar wrote: Okay, I kinda dig Orange Cassidy. I wish they would do more things with him like they did at that big show where someone got thrown into the bathroom door and he was just randomly in there. More of that would be gold imo.


But where does all of this go eventually. He can't just keep doing what he has been doing. People will grow sick of him. Where do you think the "Orange Cassidy angle" will go?
I honestly dont know where the angle will go, other than an obvious big babyface turn down the line.

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Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Okay, I kinda dig Orange Cassidy. I wish they would do more things with him like they did at that big show where someone got thrown into the bathroom door and he was just randomly in there. More of that would be gold imo.


But where does all of this go eventually. He can't just keep doing what he has been doing. People will grow sick of him. Where do you think the "Orange Cassidy angle" will go?
I honestly dont know where the angle will go, other than an obvious big babyface turn down the line.


What do you mean?
He is a babyface now.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Okay, I kinda dig Orange Cassidy. I wish they would do more things with him like they did at that big show where someone got thrown into the bathroom door and he was just randomly in there. More of that would be gold imo.


But where does all of this go eventually. He can't just keep doing what he has been doing. People will grow sick of him. Where do you think the "Orange Cassidy angle" will go?
I honestly dont know where the angle will go, other than an obvious big babyface turn down the line.


What do you mean?
He is a babyface now.
The Best Friends are heels. Orange just gets cheered by the live crowd, but he's still technically a heel/tweener.

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I figure they'll milk the sloth thing for all it's worth then have him eventually bust out some big flippy moves. The guy behind the gimmick is a pretty decent flippy-type guy.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Nyla Rose over Rhio for the strap tonight was a really cool match.
Thank God the strap is off the anime character and onto a real wrestler.

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I still do not understand the Orange Cassidy character. The other week after a Dork Odor match he hops into the ring for no apparent reason, does his hands in pocket schtick and gets beat down.

WTF? Why?

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BitterOldMan wrote: I still do not understand the Orange Cassidy character. The other week after a Dork Odor match he hops into the ring for no apparent reason, does his hands in pocket schtick and gets beat down.

WTF? Why?


They want him to join and he is saying no.

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Kriss wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: I still do not understand the Orange Cassidy character. The other week after a Dork Odor match he hops into the ring for no apparent reason, does his hands in pocket schtick and gets beat down.

WTF? Why?


They want him to join and he is saying no.
Ok, I deserved the snark for wording my question poorly. To set the scene, the Dork Odor are in the ring en masse. Cassidy voluntarily enters the ring and puts himself in jeopardy; it's not as if the DO trapped him or were seeking him out as a prospective member. An offer is made and refused in short order and then the beatdown begins.
Where's the logic in what OC did? Or has it come to the point where common sense and rudimentary logic no longer apply in AEW and whatever might pop a crowd goes?

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So after seeing him a few times now I think it’s safe to say Luchasaurus is terrible. He’s a big imposing guy but his gimmick is awful and his timing is just as bad. Jungle Boy is hard to take seriously and Mark Stunt needs to go away. AEW comes off like amateur hour when these guys are around.

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Also, Jericho seems like a bigger star now than he ever has before, and they’ve done a great job building Moxley up as his contender. The entire upcoming PPV has had a great build really. I like a lot of things AEW is doing and it’s such an easy and fun show to watch. Omega and the Bucks really come across as unlikeable though, they are all dorky guys who are getting their chance to run things and they try to act cool and it just feels forced and arrogant. Oh, and Excalibur is the worst. He looks like an idiot with the mask at the announcers table

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cookie32723 wrote: So after seeing him a few times now I think it’s safe to say Luchasaurus is terrible. He’s a big imposing guy but his gimmick is awful and his timing is just as bad. Jungle Boy is hard to take seriously and Mark Stunt needs to go away. AEW comes off like amateur hour when these guys are around.
Serioulsy? Man, I couldn't disagree with you more on everything you just said. Luchasaurus is a star..that entire match was a clusterfuck last night, but he's usually very good in the ring. The entire Jurassic express is one of the first things they've gotten right from the get-go there in AEW...

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cookie32723 wrote: Also, Jericho seems like a bigger star now than he ever has before, and they’ve done a great job building Moxley up as his contender. The entire upcoming PPV has had a great build really. I like a lot of things AEW is doing and it’s such an easy and fun show to watch. Omega and the Bucks really come across as unlikeable though, they are all dorky guys who are getting their chance to run things and they try to act cool and it just feels forced and arrogant. Oh, and Excalibur is the worst. He looks like an idiot with the mask at the announcers table
I'll agree with you 100% though on Omega and the Young Bucks. Omega, I saw a few of his Japan matches but here on my tv each week he comes off as absolutely nothing special..he's actually kind of goofy to watch. And the Young Bucks, damn, they're damned lucky they're friends with Cody..

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Married Jo wrote: cookie32723 wrote: So after seeing him a few times now I think it’s safe to say Luchasaurus is terrible. He’s a big imposing guy but his gimmick is awful and his timing is just as bad. Jungle Boy is hard to take seriously and Mark Stunt needs to go away. AEW comes off like amateur hour when these guys are around.
Serioulsy? Man, I couldn't disagree with you more on everything you just said. Luchasaurus is a star..that entire match was a clusterfuck last night, but he's usually very good in the ring. The entire Jurassic express is one of the first things they've gotten right from the get-go there in AEW...

Yep. He’s either early or late on almost every kick or he totally misses, and he throws a lot of kicks. And he works far too soft, as one of the few big men in the promotion he should be a monster instead of missing spin kicks left and right. 

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I like the pairing of Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy, but Stunt adds nothing to the team. Luchasaurus has gotten a lot better in a short time, because he was brutal before AEW.

Omega can't connect with the crowd here. Everytime he cuts a promo, he sounds like a doofus. Being the "Best Bout Machine" doesn't get you over in North America. The Bucks seem to be slowing down due to damage to their bodies, so they are going to need to come up with a different style to work.

I love the amount of time they have between their pay per views, because they can really build up matches. Jericho is clearly the MVP of the promotion, so I am conflicted about who should win between him and Moxley. if Moxley loses, it will go over like a fart in church, but I'm not sure Jericho's title reign is ready to be finished right now.

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Omega looks and sounds like a total dork. He looks like a fake fighting cosplay / Larp person. Not saying he doesn’t have some good to great matches to his name.

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Moxley needs to be World Champion. But not yet. Jericho should hold this belt the way Flair held it from ‘85-‘89 for at least the rest of this year and into next year (maybe lose it once for a couple weeks and win it back but nothing more). He is unquestionably the reason why AEW is taken seriously. He is gold in the ring, on the mic, facially, on social media, pretty much EVERYTHING he does is right for AEW. Kenny Omega is awful, and I hope it’s an angle that we just don’t see...like, this is all going to break down eventually, and he becomes the one and only character that people want to see in The Cleaner. As leader of the Bullet Club, he was somewhat “must see”. His match with Jericho on the New Years show was awesome, even if he sucks at selling a beating and Jericho pretty much carried the match in that aspect. But he can be flipped in a heartbeat - he should be a heel anyway because he sucks as a face. As far as the Young Bucks go, I never understood all the love for them. When they were in TNA, I thought that the Motor City Machine Guns were the better team of the two and if you look at the history of this board I stated that they were really stupid for not re-signing with TNA. I was wrong about that. But they are still very over, and finally aren’t killing themselves in the ring with crazy spots. But, they don’t know how to work otherwise. They need to work on the flow of their mat wrestling if they don’t want to do the amount of insane aerial moves. But to me, they are just the present. The future of AEW can be MJF and Sammy Guevara. Both have talent and both are young enough that they can eventually flip them both face and ride the wave with them - the fans already know they have talent, and would cheer them if they turned. That shouldn’t be for at least another year though. And Cody needs to stop doing unnecessary shit and just work, because he will eventually be the guy that goes over Moxley for the World Championship. Because the Jericho tap will eventually run dry, you can’t expect 50+ year olds as your Champ forever.

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It goes to show you how good Kazuchika Okada is.

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It's nice to see that people are realizing that Omega and the Bucks aren't the modern day saviors of pro wrestling. You don't have to be old and bitter to see the goofy facial expressions and wild gesturing that Omega does or the Bucks need to learn something other than a superkick and dives. And that the anime shit isn't over, they've taken the belt off of Riho which is a start towards building a real women's division.

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Stunt serves a purpose - he gets the shit kicked out of him and guys probably like working with him cause he makes their stuff look more devastating.

Hangman Page has went from being near DOA to someone I actually want to see more of.

Omega needs someone to reign his bad habits in - hey, wonder if Okada can secure a 6 month work visa?

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Married Jo wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Also, Jericho seems like a bigger star now than he ever has before, and they’ve done a great job building Moxley up as his contender. The entire upcoming PPV has had a great build really. I like a lot of things AEW is doing and it’s such an easy and fun show to watch. Omega and the Bucks really come across as unlikeable though, they are all dorky guys who are getting their chance to run things and they try to act cool and it just feels forced and arrogant. Oh, and Excalibur is the worst. He looks like an idiot with the mask at the announcers table
I'll agree with you 100% though on Omega and the Young Bucks. Omega, I saw a few of his Japan matches but here on my tv each week he comes off as absolutely nothing special..he's actually kind of goofy to watch. And the Young Bucks, damn, they're damned lucky they're friends with Cody..

Think you got that backwards. Cody is lucky he became friends with the Bucks. Without them, AEW doesn’t exist. Hell, Cody’s entire indy blueprint doesn’t exist and he spends the past few years billed as “Former WWE Superstar Cody” doing autograph signings and matches against Disco Inferno in national guard armories. He doesn’t get an ROH push and he sure as hell doesn’t break into NJPW without them. Cody stepped in the biggest pile of shit ever associating with The Elite. 

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cookie32723 wrote: Married Jo wrote: cookie32723 wrote: So after seeing him a few times now I think it’s safe to say Luchasaurus is terrible. He’s a big imposing guy but his gimmick is awful and his timing is just as bad. Jungle Boy is hard to take seriously and Mark Stunt needs to go away. AEW comes off like amateur hour when these guys are around.
Serioulsy? Man, I couldn't disagree with you more on everything you just said. Luchasaurus is a star..that entire match was a clusterfuck last night, but he's usually very good in the ring. The entire Jurassic express is one of the first things they've gotten right from the get-go there in AEW...

Yep. He’s either early or late on almost every kick or he totally misses, and he throws a lot of kicks. And he works far too soft, as one of the few big men in the promotion he should be a monster instead of missing spin kicks left and right. 

He basically has less than 2 years of real full-time experience. After quitting the PC after the DeMott situation, he barely worked and did reality TV.  I don’t disagree with you but the natural talent is there and there’s no reason to believe he won’t get better. 

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I'm actually not as down on AEW now since I stopped listening to Wrestling Observer Radio. Something about Dave and Alvarez constantly putting the promotion over made he hate it. lol They still have some major issues though. (Both AEW and WOR).

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AEW has signed NJPW star Lance Archer. No word if he will continue to work NJPW dates, but this is a good signing.  

Archer emerged from the Texas indies and first made a name for himself in TNA with a nice 5-year run before moving on to a lackluster stint in WWE. For the last decade he’s starred in Japan, primarily as one half of the Killer Elite Squad with Davey Boy Smith, Jr. in both NOAH and NJPW. After Smith returned to America, Archer got a singles push in NJPW and won the IWGP U.S. title, dropping it to Jon Moxley at Wrestle Kingdom last month. Archer will turn 43 on Friday. 

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srossi wrote: AEW has signed NJPW star Lance Archer. No word if he will continue to work NJPW dates, but this is a good signing.  

Archer emerged from the Texas indies and first made a name for himself in TNA with a nice 5-year run before moving on to a lackluster stint in WWE. For the last decade he’s starred in Japan, primarily as one half of the Killer Elite Squad with Davey Boy Smith, Jr. in both NOAH and NJPW. After Smith returned to America, Archer got a singles push in NJPW and won the IWGP U.S. title, dropping it to Jon Moxley at Wrestle Kingdom last month. Archer will turn 43 on Friday. 

Right on. I really like him. That match over in Japan was good I thought.

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So I'm guessing Kenny Omega is turning heel this Saturday night at the PPV...Maybe him and Page, but I think Omega is for sure.

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: AEW has signed NJPW star Lance Archer. No word if he will continue to work NJPW dates, but this is a good signing.  

Archer emerged from the Texas indies and first made a name for himself in TNA with a nice 5-year run before moving on to a lackluster stint in WWE. For the last decade he’s starred in Japan, primarily as one half of the Killer Elite Squad with Davey Boy Smith, Jr. in both NOAH and NJPW. After Smith returned to America, Archer got a singles push in NJPW and won the IWGP U.S. title, dropping it to Jon Moxley at Wrestle Kingdom last month. Archer will turn 43 on Friday. 

Right on. I really like him. That match over in Japan was good I thought.


Archer really impressed me, this is great for AEW 

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Really good match between Pac and Omega even though they are hitting each other with every power move in the book. That was a wild table bump.

I can't stand the Bucks when they are out there cheer leading. Someone over on reddit said that they are like the AEW version of Miss Elizabeth.

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srossi wrote: AEW has signed NJPW star Lance Archer. No word if he will continue to work NJPW dates, but this is a good signing.  

Archer emerged from the Texas indies and first made a name for himself in TNA with a nice 5-year run before moving on to a lackluster stint in WWE. For the last decade he’s starred in Japan, primarily as one half of the Killer Elite Squad with Davey Boy Smith, Jr. in both NOAH and NJPW. After Smith returned to America, Archer got a singles push in NJPW and won the IWGP U.S. title, dropping it to Jon Moxley at Wrestle Kingdom last month. Archer will turn 43 on Friday. 

Archer is done with NJPW.

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I went to the show tonight, as it was in the KC suburb of Independence. I'd say a crowd of @ 4-5k. Omega/PAC was pretty fun, and that Yuka chick in the women's match can really sell. In person Marko Stunt looks even smaller than I'd imagined. He's about as big as me when I was 8 years old

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Just got done watching here on the West Coast. Another solid show. I will definitely order the Revolution PPV.

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I thought last night's Dynamite was the best show yet. They pretty much knocked it out of the park. 9/10

The only minus points really were at the weigh-in. It was kind of weird to have a weigh-in out of nowhere. I've never seen one in wrestling before, but I guess it was a change from a contract signing. For all their promotion of being the "woke" wrestling promotion, I was surprised to see them use ring-girls as eye candy, something that is being phased out of many sports today. And there is no one in wrestling history who has a more over-inflated opinion of themselves than fucking Gary Michael Capetta. Also, he was awful in his role. Once Jericho started talking, of course, the segment was great.

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Kriss wrote: I thought last night's Dynamite was the best show yet. They pretty much knocked it out of the park. 9/10

The only minus points really were at the weigh-in. It was kind of weird to have a weigh-in out of nowhere. I've never seen one in wrestling before, but I guess it was a change from a contract signing. For all their promotion of being the "woke" wrestling promotion, I was surprised to see them use ring-girls as eye candy, something that is being phased out of many sports today. And there is no one in wrestling history who has a more over-inflated opinion of themselves than fucking Gary Michael Capetta. Also, he was awful in his role. Once Jericho started talking, of course, the segment was great.
Of all the people in wrestling, you're going with GMC as having the most overinflated opinion of himself,  lol....

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If you take everyone in wrestling history, take what they thought their value was and divide by their real value, no one would beat GMC. He managed to be horrible and inconsequential, but he happily promotes himself as the world's most dangerous ring announcer. I thought he was a terrible ring announcer when I first heard him in 1990 and I was 11 years old and had nothing really to compare him with. I hate his early WWF stuff. I hate everything about him. No hyperbole. If I won an all expenses paid trip to WrestleMania and he was being inducted into the HOF, I'd stay at home.

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Kriss wrote: If you take everyone in wrestling history, take what they thought their value was and divide by their real value, no one would beat GMC. He managed to be horrible and inconsequential, but he happily promotes himself as the world's most dangerous ring announcer. I thought he was a terrible ring announcer when I first heard him in 1990 and I was 11 years old and had nothing really to compare him with. I hate his early WWF stuff. I hate everything about him. No hyperbole. If I won an all expenses paid trip to WrestleMania and he was being inducted into the HOF, I'd stay at home.
This is approaching Jim Cornette-level hysterical ravings. 

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: If you take everyone in wrestling history, take what they thought their value was and divide by their real value, no one would beat GMC. He managed to be horrible and inconsequential, but he happily promotes himself as the world's most dangerous ring announcer. I thought he was a terrible ring announcer when I first heard him in 1990 and I was 11 years old and had nothing really to compare him with. I hate his early WWF stuff. I hate everything about him. No hyperbole. If I won an all expenses paid trip to WrestleMania and he was being inducted into the HOF, I'd stay at home.
This is approaching Jim Cornette-level hysterical ravings. 

Haha. I always hated his voice as a kid, when WCW Worldwide was the only wrestling I could watch, and he never did anything to change my mind. Of course I exaggerate, but I was legit annoyed when he appeared last night, and happy to be proved right, because he was awful.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: If you take everyone in wrestling history, take what they thought their value was and divide by their real value, no one would beat GMC. He managed to be horrible and inconsequential, but he happily promotes himself as the world's most dangerous ring announcer. I thought he was a terrible ring announcer when I first heard him in 1990 and I was 11 years old and had nothing really to compare him with. I hate his early WWF stuff. I hate everything about him. No hyperbole. If I won an all expenses paid trip to WrestleMania and he was being inducted into the HOF, I'd stay at home.
This is approaching Jim Cornette-level hysterical ravings. 

Haha. I always hated his voice as a kid, when WCW Worldwide was the only wrestling I could watch, and he never did anything to change my mind. Of course I exaggerate, but I was legit annoyed when he appeared last night, and happy to be proved right, because he was awful.

He’s no Fink or even Joe McHugh, but I always liked him. Much better than David Penzer, who I think was his full-time replacement. 

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Kriss wrote: If you take everyone in wrestling history, take what they thought their value was and divide by their real value, no one would beat GMC. He managed to be horrible and inconsequential, but he happily promotes himself as the world's most dangerous ring announcer. I thought he was a terrible ring announcer when I first heard him in 1990 and I was 11 years old and had nothing really to compare him with. I hate his early WWF stuff. I hate everything about him. No hyperbole. If I won an all expenses paid trip to WrestleMania and he was being inducted into the HOF, I'd stay at home.Ok boomer.

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I never new there were so many Capetta marks here,

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Last night AEW won the ratings battle 865,000 to 717,000. But more importantly Bryan Alvarez reports that for the first time ever AEW won every single demo, even the older ones.

Reviews for the show were through the roof, with most feeling that it was a home run and possibly the best top to bottom episode ever. Also the Revolution hype show that followed Dynamite was very strongly received and was easily AEW’s strongest piece of production ever. 

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Kriss wrote: I never new there were so many Capetta marks here,
It was wierd. I"m 49, and obviously remember him from early 80's WWWF and then WCW. But you pretty much have to be in your late 30's to 40's to have any recollection of him as an announcer, which was not the crowd last night. Plus....he looked fucking awful. I know he's in his late 60's, but he looked he he was going to crap his depends walking to the ring. 
The last time I saw him in person (and this is dating myself) was @ 1990 when WCW did a few shows in Toronto on the CNE grounds. He kept on trying to pimp out the weekly show on TBS in between matches, even though people were trying to explain to him that back then, we didn't get TBS in Canada, unless you had one of those old huge Satellite Dishes. He kept on saying "Well we get it in the hotel..." 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Kriss wrote: I never new there were so many Capetta marks here,
It was wierd. I"m 49, and obviously remember him from early 80's WWWF and then WCW. But you pretty much have to be in your late 30's to 40's to have any recollection of him as an announcer, which was not the crowd last night. Plus....he looked fucking awful. I know he's in his late 60's, but he looked he he was going to crap his depends walking to the ring. 
The last time I saw him in person (and this is dating myself) was @ 1990 when WCW did a few shows in Toronto on the CNE grounds. He kept on trying to pimp out the weekly show on TBS in between matches, even though people were trying to explain to him that back then, we didn't get TBS in Canada, unless you had one of those old huge Satellite Dishes. He kept on saying "Well we get it in the hotel..." 

I used to get TBS, but I have no recollection of him doing a weekly show at all. What was it all about?
As far as Gary as an announcer, he actually grew on me as time went on. By the time he left WCW I liked him and kind of missed him. I have never really cared too much though as far as ring announcers went, that is until I heard Justin Roberts. His voice articulation and enunciation just rubs me the wrong way and annoys the hell out of me.

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srossi wrote: Last night AEW won the ratings battle 865,000 to 717,000. But more importantly Bryan Alvarez reports that for the first time ever AEW won every single demo, even the older ones.

Reviews for the show were through the roof, with most feeling that it was a home run and possibly the best top to bottom episode ever. Also the Revolution hype show that followed Dynamite was very strongly received and was easily AEW’s strongest piece of production ever. 



Did Herb have the number of viewers who tuned into the PPV countdown show?

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Last night AEW won the ratings battle 865,000 to 717,000. But more importantly Bryan Alvarez reports that for the first time ever AEW won every single demo, even the older ones.

Reviews for the show were through the roof, with most feeling that it was a home run and possibly the best top to bottom episode ever. Also the Revolution hype show that followed Dynamite was very strongly received and was easily AEW’s strongest piece of production ever. 



Did Herb have the number of viewers who tuned into the PPV countdown show?

Haven’t seen that number. Just got my info from a tweet from Alvarez. 

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With NBA basketball back after a week off due to the All-Star break as well as stronger-than-usual competition from the news networks, both AEW Dynamite and NXT fell a bit in the ratings this week.

Dynamite averaged 865,000 viewers, down three percent from last week. In the all-important 18-49 demo, the show was also down three percent, averaging a 0.3 rating. That allowed Dynamite to finish ninth in the overall cable TV rankings for that category.

NXT had an average audience of 717,000 viewers, down eight percent. It was their lowest number in 4 weeks. In 18-49, the episode was down 10 percent, averaging a 0.23 rating and finishing 17th in the cable TV rankings.

For the first time, it was a clean sweep for AEW in the demo categories. It beat NXT in every age group, including those over 50. The closest NXT came was in that category with a 0.34 rating to a 0.36 for Dynamite.

Miz & Mrs, which follows NXT on USA Network, fell out of the top 50 in the 18-49 rankings, finishing 62nd with a 0.13 rating. In overall viewers, the show averaged a series-low 394,000.

AEW's Countdown to Revolution special aired after Dynamite and did a 0.14 rating in 18-49, coming in just ahead of Miz & Mrs in those rankings. Miz and Mrs was ahead in total viewers, with the Countdown special averaging 383,000.

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Anyone watching tonight?

Cody and MJF about to start.

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I'm not digging this Cody-MJF match. Cody tries too hard. He's trying to work a style that he just can't do...He needs to take some more tips from his Dad's book.


And the entrances are getting a bit much. It's a bit pretentious for one of the VP's of the company to spend so much on his entrances. He is actually becoming worse for this than HHH.

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War Games officially announced for the next PPV at Prudential Center.

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srossi wrote: War Games officially announced for the next PPV at Prudential Center.

Did they not say it was the 25th of March?

If so then that is on a Wednesday. I guess they are going to have the match on 'Dynamite'.

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This was the first non-wrestlemania wrestling pay-per-view I’ve bought in probably 15 to 20 years. It was also one of the best wrestling pay-per-views I think I’ve ever watched other than the women’s match. Besides following the tag match which nobody could follow, Nyla is just not good at all. For someone who supposed to be this jacked up female monster, she is really not strong at all and is going to hurt somebody one day. I agree a little on Cody, especially his entrance, It was way over the top. And to be honest I only bought the PPV originally for the Orange Cassidy match and it was pretty damned entertaining. He can legit go in the ring...

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Married Jo wrote: And to be honest I only bought the PPV originally for the Orange Cassidy match and it was pretty damned entertaining. He can legit go in the ring...
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Just saw the match and Cody and MJF told such an amazing story throughout that match. It was outstanding. Not the spotfest show-stealer that the Bucks match was, but Cody is quickly becoming as good as it gets in the business at creating special moments.

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Schiavone was pretty funny on Twitter with this:

“I’ve been known to throw out a few superlatives in my day 😂😉 but I think this was the best tag team match I’ve ever seen.”

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I hate that Moxley won the belt. He definitely should be champion and a long term one at that, but I think Jericho has been gold and should’ve kept the belt for a year. I really hope that Jericho gets it back quickly and then Mox wins it at their equivalent of Wrestlemania and holds it for a good long run. I just think that at Jericho’s age and his music career that you are on borrowed time with his viability as champ, while Moxley has years ahead of him. And you know before Jericho hangs it up, he’s going to be face again. It’s too soon though - unless Jericho wants to be done now, which I doubt.

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Superstar wrote: I hate that Moxley won the belt. He definitely should be champion and a long term one at that, but I think Jericho has been gold and should’ve kept the belt for a year. I really hope that Jericho gets it back quickly and then Mox wins it at their equivalent of Wrestlemania and holds it for a good long run. I just think that at Jericho’s age and his music career that you are on borrowed time with his viability as champ, while Moxley has years ahead of him. And you know before Jericho hangs it up, he’s going to be face again. It’s too soon though - unless Jericho wants to be done now, which I doubt.
Yep, agree with everything you said. I think this is some of Jericho’s best work of his career and AEW needs him as champ to be the face of the promotion. 

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Superstar wrote: I hate that Moxley won the belt. He definitely should be champion and a long term one at that, but I think Jericho has been gold and should’ve kept the belt for a year. I really hope that Jericho gets it back quickly and then Mox wins it at their equivalent of Wrestlemania and holds it for a good long run. I just think that at Jericho’s age and his music career that you are on borrowed time with his viability as champ, while Moxley has years ahead of him. And you know before Jericho hangs it up, he’s going to be face again. It’s too soon though - unless Jericho wants to be done now, which I doubt.
I agree. I was surprised they switched it so quickly. 

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Cody's new tattoo is horrendous. Even worse than Jack Gallagher's new ink.

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Kriss wrote: Cody's new tattoo is horrendous. Even worse than Jack Gallagher's new ink.
I don’t know when neck and face tats became acceptable for anyone other than prisoners, but this has to stop. Few can get away with it, and Cody can get away with it less than most. 

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Colt Cabana has officially signed with AEW as an in-ring talent, agent, and occasional commentator. No word on what this means for his future with the NWA since they have a working relationship with ROH.

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PWInsider post-Revolution news and notes:

Jon Moxley was busted open when he hit his head on the ringpost during the main event of AEW Revolution. During a post-show media scrum, Moxley stated that he was seeing triple after he struck the ringpost. He noted he was probably "half-concussed."

Tonight's PPV was a 100% sellout.

AEW was selling Jon Moxley "I Was There" t-shirts commemorating his AEW Championship win after the PPV.

The two-ring, double cage with a roof match at the 3/25 Dynamite will be titled a "Blood and Guts" match, according to AEW President Tony Khan. He made it clear there will be zero reference to the match as a Wargames.

Dustin Rhodes and QT Marshall will be a regular tag team going forward as the Natural Nightmares, managed by Brandi Rhodes. Brandi was not be as active cornering Cody going forward, leaving him with Arn Anderson full-time.

Colt Cabana is officially signed with AEW and will be working as a wrestler, producer and announcer. He will still be able to take outside dates.

Jeff Cobb has not signed any contract with AEW as of this writing.

Renee Young was backstage.

I neglected to mention this in my PPV report, but actor Stephen Amell accompanied Cody to ringside for his match.

AEW President Tony Khan declined to comment on the possibility of Matt Hardy coming in.

Yes, that was a real neck tattoo on Cody featuring the Nightmare Family logo. Brandi Rhodes made it clear during the post-match scrum she wasn't a fan of it.

It was noted during the post-show media scrum that Awesome Kong had been working as a Producer for the women's division but is taking a break from those duties as she is filming the final season of Netflix's GLOW.

Chris Jericho noted that he felt his ring entrance at the PPV was the best ring entrance in his entire career.

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I haven’t been able to watch the tag match that everyone is raving about yet. I have the full show on my laptop and planned on watching it, but I cooked my motherboard last night. If anyone knows where I can watch it online on my phone please hit me up.

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That screams attention whore. His 'executive' role is probably just window dressing for the cameras but good luck in business meetings with that thing on your neck

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