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 Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2019 08:18 pm
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Where did the 8th title reign come from? He was always the 7 time NWA champ.

Maybe a Japan only flip flop with Flair? That seems to be stuck in the back of my mind.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Where did the 8th title reign come from? He was always the 7 time NWA champ.

Maybe a Japan only flip flop with Flair? That seems to be stuck in the back of my mind.

I want to say New Zealand and not Japan, unless I have it confused with another quick switch.  Largely unrecognized though, he's still usually credited as being a 7-time champ. 



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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Where did the 8th title reign come from? He was always the 7 time NWA champ.

Maybe a Japan only flip flop with Flair? That seems to be stuck in the back of my mind.

I want to say New Zealand and not Japan, unless I have it confused with another quick switch.  Largely unrecognized though, he's still usually credited as being a 7-time champ. 

Yeah that is the match New Zealand  He been called 8 time world champ for years. Think it started in the early 2000's If I remember right the NWA at the time made the New Zealand and the rematches official. Making Race a 8 time Champion and Flair a 10 time Champion. Still goes back and forth from 7 to 8 depends who talking.   



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I first remember learning about the NZ/Singapore switches between Flair and Race in the inaugural edition of the PWI Almanac in the mid 90s.


After Flair beat Barry Windham for the NWA title in 93 the announcers referred to him as a 10 time NWA champion as opposed to just World champion, even though everyone knew he won two titles in the WWF . It seems the WCW arena programs from the same time period listed all of his title reigns and also ignored his two WWF titles and replaced them with the unrecognized switches with Harley in 84 and the 91 NWA only switch in Japan with Tatsumi Fujinami. Meanwhile on TV Race was still called a 7 time champ.

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I've seen Bob Backlund listed as a 3-time WWE Champion, as they counted the time his title was vacated due to a controversial finish with Inoki in Japan and regained the title in a tournament by beating Bobby Duncum in the finals.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote: I've seen Bob Backlund listed as a 3-time WWE Champion, as they counted the time his title was vacated due to a controversial finish with Inoki in Japan and regained the title in a tournament by beating Bobby Duncum in the finals.
It wasn't a tourney. It was a single Texas Death Match at MSG. 

WWF President Hisashi Shinma of NJPW came out with the belt prior to the match and was introduced to the audience. Bob wasn't introduced as champion before the match, but was announced as still being champion after the match.
The old WWF.com site recognized the change with Inoki, but for some reason had Fujinami's picture in his place.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Aside from seeing him live at shows in Toronto, my first actual interaction with him was at the Isle of Capri Casino here in KC. I was playing some 3 card poker back in 1998 at some obscure hr...maybe 1 or 2 am...and I was the only guy at the table. He just sat down next to me, and it took me a second to realize who it was. He had a reputation for liking the boats around here (all the casino's when I first came here were theoretically "boats") as they were sat on the Missouri River to get around some gambling laws that have since been changed. We talked a bit about his times in TOronto, as I mentioned my first show was when he beat Funk for the belt in 1977.That is an awesome story.

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the squared circle wrote: Always enjoyed watching Harley. Even in the WWF when he was very cartoony.
I remember his WWF debut, which was in I believe Brantford, Ontario (may be wrong here), and he meticulously worked over his opponent. Chants of BOOORING! were so loud, that I actually felt bad for him. I get it, he didn't look the part of the 80s WWF, but as a young smark I was angry with the crowd, who were totally dead for his match. Monsoon and Heenan though, were praising him on commentary and calling him a former world champion.
I love the pic of him circulating now, post match in the dressing room with a beer and pack of smokes on the bench with him.
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Quattro wrote: the squared circle wrote: Always enjoyed watching Harley. Even in the WWF when he was very cartoony.
I remember his WWF debut, which was in I believe Brantford, Ontario (may be wrong here), and he meticulously worked over his opponent. Chants of BOOORING! were so loud, that I actually felt bad for him. I get it, he didn't look the part of the 80s WWF, but as a young smark I was angry with the crowd, who were totally dead for his match. Monsoon and Heenan though, were praising him on commentary and calling him a former world champion.
I love the pic of him circulating now, post match in the dressing room with a beer and pack of smokes on the bench with him.
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It shows something that his past was acknowledged. 

I didn't remember this until I re-watched that year of TV a few years ago, but Race's past was extensively acknowledged at the beginning.  He was billed as a former 7-time World champion, they just didn't say NWA.  The story was that as World champion with the most title reigns ever (which was true at the time), he had graduated to King and that meant more than Hogan's title.  That and not the King of the Ring was the genesis of that gimmick.  After the first few weeks, they stopped talking about it and it just became the King gimmick we all remember.   

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I didn't remember this until I re-watched that year of TV a few years ago, but Race's past was extensively acknowledged at the beginning.  He was billed as a former 7-time World champion, they just didn't say NWA.  The story was that as World champion with the most title reigns ever (which was true at the time), he had graduated to King and that meant more than Hogan's title.  That and not the King of the Ring was the genesis of that gimmick.  After the first few weeks, they stopped talking about it and it just became the King gimmick we all remember.   
Wow, that's interesting because I do not remember that at all.  But then I was a little kid at the time and wasn't really paying that much attention to the storylines at the time, but just seeing a bunch of grown men fight each other in their colorful underwears.

However, it doesn't surprise me that the WWE would mention something about a wrestler (especially their pre-WWE past) but would stop acknowledging it all of a sudden as if they never said it.

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Didn’t Lawler sue ? And if so was that why they switched to the King of the ring thing? Maybe as opposed to just being the king of wrestling? Or am i off?

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A true legend. A great wrestler. He was awesome. Back when a world champ could have a beer belly.:) enjoy watching him even though his matches and move set was pretty repetitive

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Quattro wrote: Didn’t Lawler sue ? And if so was that why they switched to the King of the ring thing? Maybe as opposed to just being the king of wrestling? Or am i off?
Lawler used to keep the King gimmick from being used in Memphis, and was successful from what I recall reading.



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Dr. Strangelove wrote:
I didn't remember this until I re-watched that year of TV a few years ago, but Race's past was extensively acknowledged at the beginning.  He was billed as a former 7-time World champion, they just didn't say NWA.  The story was that as World champion with the most title reigns ever (which was true at the time), he had graduated to King and that meant more than Hogan's title.  That and not the King of the Ring was the genesis of that gimmick.  After the first few weeks, they stopped talking about it and it just became the King gimmick we all remember.   
Wow, that's interesting because I do not remember that at all.  But then I was a little kid at the time and wasn't really paying that much attention to the storylines at the time, but just seeing a bunch of grown men fight each other in their colorful underwears.

However, it doesn't surprise me that the WWE would mention something about a wrestler (especially their pre-WWE past) but would stop acknowledging it all of a sudden as if they never said it.

There are tons of things I always thought the WWF ignored that they really didn’t. Monsoon used to talk about Stu Hart during almost every Bret match, especially on house shows. Even mentioned Bruce and the rest of the brothers on occasion. Ventura talked about the East-West Connection team with Adonis during his matches. Tons of other examples. I didn’t remember any of them, but when you re-watch as an adult you realize you they spoke about the past a lot more than they’re given credit for.   



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