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The San Francisco Bay Bombers were one of Roller Derby's flagship teams in its various incarnations and were the main babyface team in the TV era.

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WongLee wrote: Benlen wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?
Charlie O Connell, Anne Cuvello and Joanie Weston were the Lou Thez of Roller Derby.
They still have roller Derby schools and leagues in San Francisco though its not like what you use to see on TV.
Which actually leads to another question. In the 60's and 70's where did they recruit skaters from? There were a couple of wrestling schools in that time frame most notably Mae Young's out the Olympic Auditorium and Tony Santos on the East Coast in New England. But where did the Roller stars pop out from? It's funny that there was not one single crossover star who did both pro wrestling and the Derby/Games.
Sonny Roger's, AWA job guy wrote over at kayfabe memories wrote he initially tried to break into derby before breaking into wrestling. 

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Big Garea Fan wrote: DJP wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: "Roller Games" was with the T-Birds and Ms. Georgia Haas, right?


There's a Roller Derby league in Houston. A friend of a friend is on one of the teams, she swears it's a shoot. Sure.

I think so. I recall the TBirds on Roller Games along with Wally George hosting the halftime show with a musical act. First time. I everI heard Bust A Move by Young MC.
If I remember correctly, I think that ESPN aired roller derby weekly either before or after AWA wrestling. This series featured a main storyline where Ms. Georgia Haas somehow got the contract of Randi Whitman from the LA T-Birds and forced her to skate for her team against her will. By the end of the season, somehow Whitman was reunited with her T-Birds team and the team won the championship.

This is exactly what I remember.  It came on after the AWA, so I watched it and got hooked.  
Another name that rings a bell was Bozo Congelton.  I'm not sure on that last name but he had long hair on the sides and was bald on top like Bozo the clown.  He was a heel and would get pissed when they called him Bozo.
I think there was a quick footed T-Bird with the last name Washington.



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Anyone watch RollerJam? Someone mentioned it earlier. It was pretty crappy & overly scripted, but Stacy Blitsch was hot.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Anyone watch RollerJam? Someone mentioned it earlier. It was pretty crappy & overly scripted, but Stacy Blitsch was hot.
Was this the TNN one after ECW?  I never watched that.  I watched the syndicated '80s show that was part of a block with WWF Wrestling Superstars and American Gladiators.  That was my whole Saturday morning as a kid. 



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RollerJam aired after ECW on TNN and was taped for a while at the Universal Studios Florida theme park studio once used by WCW and later by TNA. The skaters used inline skates instead of traditional roller skates. Some TV producers came up with and owned the show, but they used Jerry Seltzer of the old Roller Derby as a figurehead commissioner for a while. They tried different gimmicks to get people to watch, but it never found an audience. The rules weren't the same as classic Roller Derby or Roller Games and the booking got caught up too much in the storyline stuff at the expense of the action. Ken Resnick was the announcer for a while. ECW greatly resented this show because it was felt that TNN gave RollerJam more attention and promotion. This was addressed bitterly, among other grievances, in the infamous promo Paul Heyman cut near the end of the line that TNN censored by dropping out the audio and running a crawl that mocked him.

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tamalie wrote: RollerJam aired after ECW on TNN and was taped for a while at the Universal Studios Florida theme park studio once used by WCW and later by TNA. The skaters used inline skates instead of traditional roller skates. Some TV producers came up with and owned the show, but they used Jerry Seltzer of the old Roller Derby as a figurehead commissioner for a while. They tried different gimmicks to get people to watch, but it never found an audience. The rules weren't the same as classic Roller Derby or Roller Games and the booking got caught up too much in the storyline stuff at the expense of the action. Ken Resnick was the announcer for a while. ECW greatly resented this show because it was felt that TNN gave RollerJam more attention and promotion. This was addressed bitterly, among other grievances, in the infamous promo Paul Heyman cut near the end of the line that TNN censored by dropping out the audio and running a crawl that mocked him.I remember that.  Heyman was correct.  The rollerjam product was pure crap.  They brought back a couple of the big deals from the early to mid 70's Rollergames.  It still sucked.  They had some strange story lines going. 

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tamalie wrote: RollerJam aired after ECW on TNN and was taped for a while at the Universal Studios Florida theme park studio once used by WCW and later by TNA. The skaters used inline skates instead of traditional roller skates. Some TV producers came up with and owned the show, but they used Jerry Seltzer of the old Roller Derby as a figurehead commissioner for a while. They tried different gimmicks to get people to watch, but it never found an audience. The rules weren't the same as classic Roller Derby or Roller Games and the booking got caught up too much in the storyline stuff at the expense of the action. Ken Resnick was the announcer for a while. ECW greatly resented this show because it was felt that TNN gave RollerJam more attention and promotion. This was addressed bitterly, among other grievances, in the infamous promo Paul Heyman cut near the end of the line that TNN censored by dropping out the audio and running a crawl that mocked him.
ECW trashed the show, but they were forced to do some cross-over stuff.  A few ECW stars appeared on at least 1 episode IIRC. 



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This is from a former Bay Bomber Jim Fitzpatrick




"Roller Games was very scripted according to Bill Griffith’s plans but for Roller Derby Jerry Seltzer stayed pretty much out of the games... Playoffs and the championships were really skated games with few to no fights. A completely legitimate season took place in ‘58 and destroyed things in Madison Square Garden for years... O’Connell’s Bombers were way too dominant and the scores were blow outs."



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Benlen wrote: This is from a former Bay Bomber Jim Fitzpatrick




"Roller Games was very scripted according to Bill Griffith’s plans but for Roller Derby Jerry Seltzer stayed pretty much out of the games... Playoffs and the championships were really skated games with few to no fights. A completely legitimate season took place in ‘58 and destroyed things in Madison Square Garden for years... O’Connell’s Bombers were way too dominant and the scores were blow outs."
This reminds me of the "The title matches are real, everything else is fake" line you used to hear about pro wres from rasslers and marks back in the day. I can see the story about the 58 season being kind of true though, like if the pro wrestlers decided to have legit contests...would totally kill a territory and the shooters would dominate I am sure.



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khawk wrote: Benlen wrote: This is from a former Bay Bomber Jim Fitzpatrick




"Roller Games was very scripted according to Bill Griffith’s plans but for Roller Derby Jerry Seltzer stayed pretty much out of the games... Playoffs and the championships were really skated games with few to no fights. A completely legitimate season took place in ‘58 and destroyed things in Madison Square Garden for years... O’Connell’s Bombers were way too dominant and the scores were blow outs."
This reminds me of the "The title matches are real, everything else is fake" line you used to hear about pro wres from rasslers and marks back in the day. I can see the story about the 58 season being kind of true though, like if the pro wrestlers decided to have legit contests...would totally kill a territory and the shooters would dominate I am sure.

The shooters would dominate but as UFC shows it can also go the other way if there’s too much parity. No one successfully defends a title more than twice in a row and the company has trouble creating stars that the fans can get excited about. No one can ever get the rub from a win if everyone loses too frequently. Ironically, this is WWE’s booking strategy too, and last time I checked they were still fake so it shows how dumb they are. 



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