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I was flipping through a PWI (post-kayfabe version) and there's a brief column that mentions a fall-out between the magazine and Fritz.  Apparently PWI wrote an article that painted David von Erich in a negative light, and the magazine hit the newsstands days after David died.  Fritz was furious and as a result he briefly banned PWI from WCCW events.  As the David von Erich Memorial show was coming up in May, Fritz was still refusing to allow PWI access, which was going to be a huge blow to PWI as it was expected that Kerry was finally going to win the title and PWI wasn't going to get the pictures.  Add to that the fact that in 1984 Vince was limiting access to PWI as well because he was pushing his own magazine, and PWI was worried that this was the beginning of the end for them.  Anyway, Bill Apter begged and pleaded and apologized and it blew over and Fritz allowed them back by May.

So my question is, how bad could that article have been when it was a kayfabe magazine?  Does anyone have the issue that this article appeared in (released in Feb. 1984)?  I'm imagining that it had to be very silly about a potential David heel turn or something and certainly couldn't have involved any of his real life issues.  Fritz must've just been overwhelmed and the timing was bad.   

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If no one else comes up with it, I'll check my issues of The Wrestler, Inside Wrestling, and PWI from that month later today.  I may also have Sports Review Wrestling
 
Off the top of my head, I remember the cover story of Inside Wrestling that claimed that if the NWA banned the claw, David would quit wrestling.  That was published shortly before David's death, but it was a total work and didn't really reflect poorly on him, unless Fritz thought it portrayed him as a quitter. 



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I don't remember what this was. I know that the Fritz was unhappy about David being a heel a in Florida and that getting magazine coverage. The Florida show could not be seen in Texas back in 1982 when this was going on, so perhaps Fritz thought fans at home wouldn't learn of it until the magazines came out and people started talking. Bill Mercer and Jay Saldi on commentary had to mention that David wasn't a bad guy or anything like that and that Florida fans were just booing him as a Texan due to anger at the Dallas Cowboys for beating the Tampa Buccaneers 38-0 in the most recent NFL playoffs. Once David came back to Texas, I seem to recall one of his first TV interviews being him setting things straight that he wasn't a heel without going into enough detail that someone who didn't know would get what he was talking about. This all happened a couple of years before this other apparent incident.

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I'm definitely curious to hear more.

I think PWI voted Kerry/Flair as their "Match of the Year" in 1984, so they not only kissed and made up, they also banged.

I remember one of the first PWI's I read, in early 1988, talked about the new "Legends of World Class" show premiering on ESPN. It said something fairly sarcastic like: "old World Class shows, where Fritz's boys save the world". I don't think it was an Eddie Ellner column, either.



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Erick Von Erich wrote I think PWI voted Kerry/Flair as their "Match of the Year" in 1984, so they not only kissed and made up, they also banged.

--- i laughed way harder than i should have at that                         

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I have every issue of most magazines in the 80's and definitely the trifecta of PWI, The Wrestler and Inside Wrestling as well as the specials.
Don't remember that at all but aside from looking at the PWI 500 issues periodically I haven't referenced my wrestling mags once.
They also were in some semblance of order until we moved out to the country, where they have been in the guest cottage boxed up pretty much since.
Maybe I'll get energetic and organize them on the weekend. Might be nice looking through them but I'd spend more time on my 60's magazines I'm sure.



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tamalie wrote: I don't remember what this was. I know that the Fritz was unhappy about David being a heel a in Florida and that getting magazine coverage. The Florida show could not be seen in Texas back in 1982 when this was going on, so perhaps Fritz thought fans at home wouldn't learn of it until the magazines came out and people started talking. Bill Mercer and Jay Saldi on commentary had to mention that David wasn't a bad guy or anything like that and that Florida fans were just booing him as a Texan due to anger at the Dallas Cowboys for beating the Tampa Buccaneers 38-0 in the most recent NFL playoffs. Once David came back to Texas, I seem to recall one of his first TV interviews being him setting things straight that he wasn't a heel without going into enough detail that someone who didn't know would get what he was talking about. This all happened a couple of years before this other apparent incident.I think there was another Von Erich son that was a heel at the same time in FL.  Perhaps Kevin?  Saw a YT clip of 2 Von Erich's as heels.  I do recall the Apter mags explaining it as having David say it was something that was misunderstood and that it was a good learning experience.  

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They should have doubled down and called the kids Amish inbreds whose cumulative wrestling talent could fit in a matchbox without taking the matches out first.



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Amazing how much weight the Apter mags had back then.



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I looked through the mags from that time frame and didn't see anything offensive.  The worst of the David-slanted articles was the one I mentioned above, about him quitting if the NWA banned the claw.  That was published in November, 1983.  I didn't see anything in the issues that would have come out in February of '84.  In fact, the Weston mags had him ranked #8 in their top 10 for January, pretty good for a guy who didn't hold a major title.  He also finished third most popular in PWI's worked year-end poll for 1983 (behind Snuka and Big Dust -- notably ahead of the Hoaxster), which came out right around the time of his death.  And of course they went over the top in their slobbering praise of David after he died.  Those obituary issues would have been on the newsstands before the Parade of Champions card, so what more penance would they have had to do to get access to Kerry's title win?
 
I think this sounds like a carny tale on PWI's part. 



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I would like to see a full clip of the segment where Fritz reads a statement that cousin Lance is not really a member of his family and there should be no more discussion about the topic going forward... Ever. It is amazing to see how people who are accustomed to controlling every aspect of their world and others around them crumble when faced with facts and logic.

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KGB wrote: I looked through the mags from that time frame and didn't see anything offensive.  The worst of the David-slanted articles was the one I mentioned above, about him quitting if the NWA banned the claw.  That was published in November, 1983.  I didn't see anything in the issues that would have come out in February of '84.  In fact, the Weston mags had him ranked #8 in their top 10 for January, pretty good for a guy who didn't hold a major title.  He also finished third most popular in PWI's worked year-end poll for 1983 (behind Snuka and Big Dust -- notably ahead of the Hoaxster), which came out right around the time of his death.  And of course they went over the top in their slobbering praise of David after he died.  Those obituary issues would have been on the newsstands before the Parade of Champions card, so what more penance would they have had to do to get access to Kerry's title win?
 
I think this sounds like a carny tale on PWI's part. 

Interesting.  I believe the column I read was by Stu Saks and I'm really wondering what the point would be of him working this story more than 30 years later.  It's possible he himself was inadvertently worked by a colleague who wrote for the mags at the time and can no longer separate fact from fiction.  But thanks for checking, I was curious about this for some time.   

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Ultimark wrote: tamalie wrote: I don't remember what this was. I know that the Fritz was unhappy about David being a heel a in Florida and that getting magazine coverage. The Florida show could not be seen in Texas back in 1982 when this was going on, so perhaps Fritz thought fans at home wouldn't learn of it until the magazines came out and people started talking. Bill Mercer and Jay Saldi on commentary had to mention that David wasn't a bad guy or anything like that and that Florida fans were just booing him as a Texan due to anger at the Dallas Cowboys for beating the Tampa Buccaneers 38-0 in the most recent NFL playoffs. Once David came back to Texas, I seem to recall one of his first TV interviews being him setting things straight that he wasn't a heel without going into enough detail that someone who didn't know would get what he was talking about. This all happened a couple of years before this other apparent incident.I think there was another Von Erich son that was a heel at the same time in FL.  Perhaps Kevin?  Saw a YT clip of 2 Von Erich's as heels.  I do recall the Apter mags explaining it as having David say it was something that was misunderstood and that it was a good learning experience.  
Kerry went to Florida as a heel partner for David for essentially long weekend tours in March and May of 1982. The Apter mags made a big thing of David Von Erich going heel during that Florida run, but never mentioned Kerry's heel stint there to my knowledge. Kevin also came into Florida for one off shots during the first half of 1982 and went heel while teaming with David as well. Unlike with Kerry, who worked some tapings, it doesn't look like any of Kevin's appearances made TV and the magazines never mentioned what he was up to there.

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tamalie wrote: Ultimark wrote: tamalie wrote: I don't remember what this was. I know that the Fritz was unhappy about David being a heel a in Florida and that getting magazine coverage. The Florida show could not be seen in Texas back in 1982 when this was going on, so perhaps Fritz thought fans at home wouldn't learn of it until the magazines came out and people started talking. Bill Mercer and Jay Saldi on commentary had to mention that David wasn't a bad guy or anything like that and that Florida fans were just booing him as a Texan due to anger at the Dallas Cowboys for beating the Tampa Buccaneers 38-0 in the most recent NFL playoffs. Once David came back to Texas, I seem to recall one of his first TV interviews being him setting things straight that he wasn't a heel without going into enough detail that someone who didn't know would get what he was talking about. This all happened a couple of years before this other apparent incident.I think there was another Von Erich son that was a heel at the same time in FL.  Perhaps Kevin?  Saw a YT clip of 2 Von Erich's as heels.  I do recall the Apter mags explaining it as having David say it was something that was misunderstood and that it was a good learning experience.  
Kerry went to Florida as a heel partner for David for essentially long weekend tours in March and May of 1982. The Apter mags made a big thing of David Von Erich going heel during that Florida run, but never mentioned Kerry's heel stint there to my knowledge. Kevin also came into Florida for one off shots during the first half of 1982 and went heel while teaming with David as well. Unlike with Kerry, who worked some tapings, it doesn't look like any of Kevin's appearances made TV and the magazines never mentioned what he was up to there.

Why did Florida want the von Erichs as heels in the first place?



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srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: Ultimark wrote: tamalie wrote: I don't remember what this was. I know that the Fritz was unhappy about David being a heel a in Florida and that getting magazine coverage. The Florida show could not be seen in Texas back in 1982 when this was going on, so perhaps Fritz thought fans at home wouldn't learn of it until the magazines came out and people started talking. Bill Mercer and Jay Saldi on commentary had to mention that David wasn't a bad guy or anything like that and that Florida fans were just booing him as a Texan due to anger at the Dallas Cowboys for beating the Tampa Buccaneers 38-0 in the most recent NFL playoffs. Once David came back to Texas, I seem to recall one of his first TV interviews being him setting things straight that he wasn't a heel without going into enough detail that someone who didn't know would get what he was talking about. This all happened a couple of years before this other apparent incident.I think there was another Von Erich son that was a heel at the same time in FL.  Perhaps Kevin?  Saw a YT clip of 2 Von Erich's as heels.  I do recall the Apter mags explaining it as having David say it was something that was misunderstood and that it was a good learning experience.  
Kerry went to Florida as a heel partner for David for essentially long weekend tours in March and May of 1982. The Apter mags made a big thing of David Von Erich going heel during that Florida run, but never mentioned Kerry's heel stint there to my knowledge. Kevin also came into Florida for one off shots during the first half of 1982 and went heel while teaming with David as well. Unlike with Kerry, who worked some tapings, it doesn't look like any of Kevin's appearances made TV and the magazines never mentioned what he was up to there.

Why did Florida want the von Erichs as heels in the first place?
I don't think they did specifically want them as heels - I think that they went there for their grooming to become NWA Champion.  Because as we all know, the NWA Champ had to work heel or face depending on the territory he was coming in to work.   And if I'm not mistaken, Eddie Graham was the president of the NWA about this time, and if I'm wrong it means that Geigel had already taken power.  But the Von Erich's worked St Louis semi-regularly so they couldn't likely go there to work heel.  So Florida worked, and I'm guessing here that you couldn't pick up CWF in Texas so it worked for all parties involved.



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