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This was a pretty good year for movies, gimme a ranking and/or feedback on these (listed in ABC order):

Comedy:

Ace Ventura, Pet Detective
Dumb And Dumber
Ed Wood
Major League 2
Naked Gun 33 1/3

Drama:

Cobb
Forrest Gump
Natural Born Killers
Pulp Fiction
The Shawshank Redemption 



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Sorry but those comedies fucking sucked except for Major League and maybe half of Naked Gun.

NBK, Pulp Fiction, and Shawshank stand the rest of time as all-time classics.  I always thought Forrest Gump was overrated. 

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Heenan Fan wrote:
Comedy:

Ace Ventura, Pet Detective    #2
Dumb And Dumber               #3
Ed Wood                              #5
Major League 2                      #4
Naked Gun 33 1/3                  #1

Drama:

Cobb                                       #5
Forrest Gump                          #3
Natural Born Killers                  #4
Pulp Fiction                            #1
The Shawshank Redemption      #2




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From your comedies, Ed Wood is a classic. The others are all 2/5 at best. Four Weddings was the best mainstream comedy of 1994. I also really enjoyed Maverick. Clerks also came out in 1994, one of my all time favourites.

Lion King is another 1994 classic. Interestingly there were very few good action blockbusters in 1994. Only Speed and True Lies come to mind.

Some good indie movies from 1994: Reality Bites, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, Bullets Over Broadway, The Last Seduction and The Hudsucker Proxy.

I'd say 1994 was a very average year. The best movies were all time classics, but the quality drops away very quickly after that. Timecop topped the box office for two weeks during the summer.

Your drama picks are pretty much spot on, apart from Cobb, which has zero international appeal, and seems to be above average at best from reviews. Only for baseball fans I'd guess. I'd pick Quiz Show instead.

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Never seen Cobb or NBK. Pulp Fiction was an absolute insult to the intelligence. One of the worst films ever made. Pulp Fiction of course the diametric opposite.

Shawshank is a decent film but not sure it deserves the hagiographic praise it deserves.

Others worth a mention: Quiz Show, accomplished fun; Madness of King George, absolute standout performance from Nigel Hawthorne who created a properly rounded character.

Oscar trivia: there was a tie in one of the Oscar votes. What's more, it gave Doctor Who an Oscar.

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kargol wrote: Pulp Fiction was an absolute insult to the intelligence. One of the worst films ever made. Pulp Fiction of course the diametric opposite.

I assume you meant Forest Gump was one of the worst films ever made? 
 
Of the 10 films in the OP, I've only seen three of them:
 
Natural Born Killers -- almost impossible to watch.  I left the theater before it finished because of the "Extreeeeeeemmee!" nature of the direction and plot.  A movie completely bereft of subtlety.
Pulp Fiction -- the last Tarantino movie I've ever watched.  I didn't think it measured up to Reservoir Dogs.  Maybe it's because I didn't see it until nearly a decade after its release and by that time I was already sick to death of Seinfeld-esque conversations that do nothing to further the plot.  "See, these guys are killers but they're arguing about what to call a Big Mac!  Isn't it so ironic?!!"  Ugh.  And the worst part is that 25 years later this crap is still considered clever.  Have any of you ever thought about how slowly pop culture has moved since the mid-90s?  I passed by someone listening to an "alternative" radio station the other day and the commercial bumpers were said in the same distorted voice that would have been at home on one of your "Edge" stations back during the grunge era.  Can you imagine turning on the radio in 1985 and hearing some Murray the K type ramble on about being a "submarine race watcher, baby"?  Your standard hip-hop look and outlook has changed very little since then; wearing your pants down below your hips is still popular with blacks, while the theme is money, pussy, weed.  Female singers still sing in that same bodice and vocal cord ripping style that Whitney and Mariah made popular; everything's growled or belted.
Shawshank Redemption -- I'm in line with kargol.  It's a good movie that can withstand multiple viewings but I'm not quite sure it belongs in the conversation for the top 10 (or top 100) movies of all time. 

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Heenan Fan wrote: This was a pretty good year for movies, gimme a ranking and/or feedback on these (listed in ABC order):

Comedy:

Ace Ventura, Pet Detective - CCL
Dumb And Dumber - CCL
Ed Wood - #3
Major League 2 - #2
Naked Gun 33 1/3 - #1

Drama:

Cobb - #3
Forrest Gump CCL
Natural Born Killers - #1
Pulp Fiction  - #2
The Shawshank Redemption - #4





CCL - couldn't care less

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KGB wrote: kargol wrote: Pulp Fiction was an absolute insult to the intelligence. One of the worst films ever made. Pulp Fiction of course the diametric opposite.

I assume you meant Forest Gump was one of the worst films ever made? 
 
Of the 10 films in the OP, I've only seen three of them:
 
Natural Born Killers -- almost impossible to watch.  I left the theater before it finished because of the "Extreeeeeeemmee!" nature of the direction and plot.  A movie completely bereft of subtlety.
Pulp Fiction -- the last Tarantino movie I've ever watched.  I didn't think it measured up to Reservoir Dogs.  Maybe it's because I didn't see it until nearly a decade after its release and by that time I was already sick to death of Seinfeld-esque conversations that do nothing to further the plot.  "See, these guys are killers but they're arguing about what to call a Big Mac!  Isn't it so ironic?!!"  Ugh.  And the worst part is that 25 years later this crap is still considered clever.  Have any of you ever thought about how slowly pop culture has moved since the mid-90s?  I passed by someone listening to an "alternative" radio station the other day and the commercial bumpers were said in the same distorted voice that would have been at home on one of your "Edge" stations back during the grunge era.  Can you imagine turning on the radio in 1985 and hearing some Murray the K type ramble on about being a "submarine race watcher, baby"?  Your standard hip-hop look and outlook has changed very little since then; wearing your pants down below your hips is still popular with blacks, while the theme is money, pussy, weed.  Female singers still sing in that same bodice and vocal cord ripping style that Whitney and Mariah made popular; everything's growled or belted.
Shawshank Redemption -- I'm in line with kargol.  It's a good movie that can withstand multiple viewings but I'm not quite sure it belongs in the conversation for the top 10 (or top 100) movies of all time. 

The argument in Pulp Fiction was about whether a foot massage meant something or was inappropriate because their boss allegedly threw someone out of a window for giving his wife one. Did he overreact? A valid question compared to alot of the stupid shit discussed on Seinfeld.

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KGB wrote: kargol wrote: Pulp Fiction was an absolute insult to the intelligence. One of the worst films ever made. Pulp Fiction of course the diametric opposite.

I assume you meant Forest Gump was one of the worst films ever made? 
Yeah, sorry, can't bear to type its name.

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Comedy:

1. Dumb And Dumber - Classic Farrelly Bros. comedy.

2. Ed Wood - At the time I rented this movie in 1995, I had only known about Plan 9 From Outer Space from a Seinfeld episode. Cool, based on a true story movie with Depp, Murray, George Steele as Tor Johnson.

3.Major League 2 - Underrated movie. What hurt ML2 imo was going PG13. I like my comedies R rated.

4. Naked Gun 33 1/3 - The worst film of the trilogy, but still not bad. I liked the Escape From Alcatraz stuff, Anna Nicole Smith, and both Weird Al Yankovic and O.J. were in all 3 movies.

5. Ace Ventura, Pet Dick - Very low budget, but I think it's still very good. I was a pretty big Jim Carrey mark in the 1990's. The Super Bowl XIX footage was cool, the only Super Bowl I ever attended live.


Drama

1. Pulp Fiction and NBK tie. Both for the same reason, basically. Innovative crazy shit.

3. Shawshank Redemption- I think most of the haters of this movie don't realize that what makes this a great movie is the big reveal, the swerve. Just like The Sixth Sense, if you know the reveal, you're screwed. Knowing changes everything. Imagine watching Shawshank Redemption or The Sixth Sense without knowing the ending as opposed to have it spoiled first? Escape From Alcatraz was a great movie, but you obviously knew it was a prison break movie. Shawshank was different. The viewers didn't know Andy was planning his escape. He didn't even tell Red, except for telling him about finding the cigar box.

4. Cobb - I like Ty Cobb. Tommy Lee Jones, fresh of his Oscar winning role in The Fugitive was cool in this. The movie would of been a lot better if the Al Stamp character was recast. Robert Wuhl wasn't right for the part imo.

5. Forrest Gump - I didn't watch this movie for the first time until 2010, and even then it was because the family was watching it on Thanksgiving night. Blah. I like Tom Hanks and it wasn't horrible or anything, but It shouldn't of won the Oscar for best picture obviously.

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I think one thing that hurts the reputation of Shawshank among those who frequent the internet is that is has sat forever at the top of the imDb's Top 250 movies of all time list. I don't think anyone thinks of it as the best movie of all time, so it will always be considered overrated. If it was ranked at 101, people would just agree that it's a very good movie.

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Comedy:

Ace Ventura, Pet Detective - N/A
Dumb And Dumber - N/A
Ed Wood - #1 (By default since it's the only one I've watched from the list)
Major League 2 - N/A
Naked Gun 33 1/3 - N/A

Drama:

Cobb - #5
Forrest Gump - #3
Natural Born Killers - #4
Pulp Fiction - #1
The Shawshank Redemption - #2

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Kriss wrote: I think one thing that hurts the reputation of Shawshank among those who frequent the internet is that is has sat forever at the top of the imDb's Top 250 movies of all time list. I don't think anyone thinks of it as the best movie of all time, so it will always be considered overrated. If it was ranked at 101, people would just agree that it's a very good movie.And I bet 90% of those people knew the swerve finish beforehand, before they saw the film. Folks are always accidentally giving away plots while explaining  and/or trying to sell a movie to someone.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Kriss wrote: I think one thing that hurts the reputation of Shawshank among those who frequent the internet is that is has sat forever at the top of the imDb's Top 250 movies of all time list. I don't think anyone thinks of it as the best movie of all time, so it will always be considered overrated. If it was ranked at 101, people would just agree that it's a very good movie.And I bet 90% of those people knew the swerve finish beforehand, before they saw the film. Folks are always accidentally giving away plots while explaining  and/or trying to sell a movie to someone.

I don't think Shawshank is a film where the twist makes or breaks it.

Also, knowing the twist doesn't necessarily ruin a film. The Sixth Sense, Fight Club and Momento are completely different movies when you watch them on second and subsequent occasions.

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Kriss wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Kriss wrote: I think one thing that hurts the reputation of Shawshank among those who frequent the internet is that is has sat forever at the top of the imDb's Top 250 movies of all time list. I don't think anyone thinks of it as the best movie of all time, so it will always be considered overrated. If it was ranked at 101, people would just agree that it's a very good movie.And I bet 90% of those people knew the swerve finish beforehand, before they saw the film. Folks are always accidentally giving away plots while explaining  and/or trying to sell a movie to someone.

I don't think Shawshank is a film where the twist makes or breaks
Also, knowing the twist doesn't necessarily ruin a film. The Sixth Sense, Fight Club and Momento are completely different movies when you watch them on second and subsequent occasions.This.

Sure, the twist was a big reason why I thought Shawshank was great the first time, but the main reason I still enjoy watching it is because of the great storytelling and acting.  For me knowing the twist of this film is no difference than knowing the storylines of my other favorite movies after the first time.  Just because I already knew what happened does not mean I enjoy it less watching it again as long as the film itself is great.  On the other hand, if a film has a great twist but is an average film as a whole, it would still be an average film. 

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1994 also had SPEED , The CROW, and CLERKS

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I thought Major League 2 was pretty poor. The original was cartoonish, but kept enough of a toe in reality that you could ignore certain little things. Major League 2 had utterly implausible stuff like Willie Mays Hayes starring in an action film and Roger Dorn buying and then selling the team. It also wasn't nearly as funny as the original. \

Naked Gun 33 1/3 was a case of going to the well too often. It was played out. The most memorable moment when I saw it came not from something on screen, but in the audience. A certain former NFL running back, then in jail awaiting trial on double homicide charges, made his first appearance in the movie. This sent the audience into whispers, comments, some boos, and so on. My buddy suddenly bellowed out, "Yes, we all know about OJ. Now be quiet and watch the movie!" People laughed and that cut the tension regarding OJ.

Somewhere along the line it became a federal offense that Forrest Gump won Best Picture for 1994. It has even become derided as a bad movie in some circles, partly due to the cult of Shawshank Redemption. Forrest Gump isn't for everyone and may not be as rewatchable, but it deserved its honor.

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tamalie wrote: Naked Gun 33 1/3 was a case of going to the well too often. It was played out. The most memorable moment when I saw it came not from something on screen, but in the audience. A certain former NFL running back, then in jail awaiting trial on double homicide charges, made his first appearance in the movie. This sent the audience into whispers, comments, some boos, and so on. My buddy suddenly bellowed out, "Yes, we all know about OJ. Now be quiet and watch the movie!" People laughed and that cut the tension regarding OJ.

And the whole audience cheered and he was carried aloft out of the theater as the King of All Men.

tamalie wrote:Somewhere along the line it became a federal offense that Forrest Gump won Best Picture for 1994. It has even become derided as a bad movie in some circles, partly due to the cult of Shawshank Redemption. Forrest Gump isn't for everyone and may not be as rewatchable, but it deserved its honor.
This is not true. As I said before, Shawshank gets rated highly by average, but no one thinks it's the best movie of all time. I think more people rate Pulp Fiction more highly. Forrest Gump is a good film, but it's not a great one. Remember that the Oscars are just industry awards for the movie industry, and certain types of movies will always do way. Look at films like The Artist and La La Land. Forgotten about more year after year, but they were always clear favorites to win the Oscars. Forrest Gump had a unique narrative, with the hero living through all those historic American events (such an easy story to write, it's just and then... and then... and then...). It also had groundbreaking, at the time, special effects, with Hanks inserted seamlessly into archival footage. Nothing special today though, but it had never been seen before. It was a perfect film to impress the Academy voters.

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I really like The Artist. The creators basically put as many obstacles in their way as they could and still came up with a compelling film.

The Forrest Gump narrative is not unique, think of Zelig if nothing else. And Hanks' performance was insulting one-note rubbish. Not even the excuse of creating a character, JK Simmons and Mahershala Ali have shown how one does that much more impeccably. It's probably stopped Hanks winning another Oscar, the Academy doesn't think he deserves three, and having fucked up with his second won't vote for him again.

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No love for "House Party 3" or "Police Academy: Mission to Moscow"?

Oh...and "Cabin Boy".

In 1995, I took a "American Baseball History 315" as a summer course. The instructor told us to do a movie review from his list. "Cobb" was included, even though he hadn't seen it. I rented it, did my review on it, and his written comments to me were something like: "sorry you had to watch this. Good job on reviewing this turkey, though".

I didn't mind it, too much. The main point was that Cobb was an asshat, so in that regard it worked.

I remember liking "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" when it came out. Haven't seen it, since, so don't know if it's aged well.



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