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Anybody here hates the idea of free agency in sports and wishes that it didn't exist?

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silentkiller wrote: Anybody here hates the idea of free agency in sports and wishes that it didn't exist?
WTF what kind of stupid shit is this??


Why do you not like the idea of free agency in sports?

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The alternative obviously wasn't so good. The answer is just fiscal restraint by the owners.

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krazykid18 wrote: silentkiller wrote: Anybody here hates the idea of free agency in sports and wishes that it didn't exist?
WTF what kind of stupid shit is this??


Why do you not like the idea of free agency in sports?Free agency is fine.  What bothers me is that players do not want to play under the deals that they sign.  I'm not talking NFL now - because those players get fucked by the fact that they can get cut at any time and not get paid.  I'm talking NBA, when you see a guy that agrees to a nine figure contract, then decides he just doesn't want to play for that team, so he either sits out or just half-asses his play. 

If you don't have free agency, the team owner holds all the cards and the hammer as well.  But there has to be collective balance.   We can't have a situation like MLB either, where if there's a dozen OF free agents this year all about the same, the first four get good contracts and the rest get stuck working out in a camp in Arizona.  Nobody can tell me it's good for baseball when JD Martinez can't get signed in the offseason and ends up with Boston halfway through Spring Training.  The way that MLB screwed up a lot of things is the qualifying offer, and for the life of me I can't understand why a player would ever turn that down after we see what's gone on the past few years.

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I am in a city that for MLB and the NBA isn't in a position to get any outside players of note under most circumstances and would only be in a position sign free agents of superstar status if the team was already a contender and someone was climbing aboard the bandwagon to get a ring. This is a desirable NHL market for a lot of free agents and in the NFL the players have not concentrated on markets yet to the extent that it has the same sort of bearing it does in MLB and the NBA.

So free agency can be a drag because the Twins will pay to keep their own stars but can also lose guys and normally can't bring them in while the Twolves are destined to likely lose any player of note they develop. However, the reserve clause and the later use of compensation packages of picks and/or players that were so punitive to the teams signing players that it suppressed the market were unfair to players on any level.

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The NBA is all about the players now and we've had guys sign deals and then later force trades when conditions on the ground change. That said, apart from the Anthony Davis situation blowing up for him and the Pelicans this past season, when has an NBA player wanting to leave ended up sitting out? Davis certainly can be accused of doing the team wrong, but what were Pelicans thinking by not trading him by the deadline last season? What happened next was inevitable and to a great extent self inflicted.

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I think free agency is a good thing because as much as I side with the owners the players only have so many productive years in their body and shouldn’t be stuck sitting behind An all pro player for 6 years. That being said if a player signs a contract they should fulfill it to the best of their ability.


As sports and player feelings evolve I think the contract system should as well be that shorter contracts or entirely performance based contracts. I think it’s garbage that players can skip off season work outs and train on their own instead in exchange for giving up bonus money. If the team has a practice on June 2nd the players should be there regardless of the players perceived value of said practice. It shouldn’t be up to them to pick and choose what they think is best. If I was paying a player to be on my team and work out with my coaching staff I would expect him to be there and ready to perform.

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I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.

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lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.


I take the opposing view on salary caps. Take the Leafs, for example.Just when they have become respectable, they will soon have to dismantle  their team.Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. If the Leafs cave in to his salary demands, they will soon have to trade one of them for prospects or cheaper players just to make the cap.My guess is they'll trade Matthews, since he's American.

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lobo316 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.


I take the opposing view on salary caps. Take the Leafs, for example.Just when they have become respectable, they will soon have to dismantle  their team.Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. If the Leafs cave in to his salary demands, they will soon have to trade one of them for prospects or cheaper players just to make the cap.My guess is they'll trade Matthews, since he's American.

Josh Morrissey just signed a team friendly contract with the Winnipeg Jets.Maybe if fags on ice weren't so selfish and unrealistic in their demands teams wouldn't have to be dismantled. These guys are just playing hockey after all.
The players association and the owners both have a hand in it also.Players association given way to much power and seem intent on bankrupting teams.Owners not smart enough to say fuck you to unrealistic contracts because the bottom line is win at all costs.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.


I take the opposing view on salary caps. Take the Leafs, for example.Just when they have become respectable, they will soon have to dismantle  their team.Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. If the Leafs cave in to his salary demands, they will soon have to trade one of them for prospects or cheaper players just to make the cap.My guess is they'll trade Matthews, since he's American.

Josh Morrissey just signed a team friendly contract with the Winnipeg Jets.Maybe if fags on ice weren't so selfish and unrealistic in their demands teams wouldn't have to be dismantled. These guys are just playing hockey after all.
The players association and the owners both have a hand in it also.Players association given way to much power and seem intent on bankrupting teams.Owners not smart enough to say fuck you to unrealistic contracts because the bottom line is win at all costs.


In my opinion most guys who sign team friendly contracts are morons. Very few teams show any kind of courtesy or treat players friendly when it comes time to cut or trade players often with little or no warning. The shelf life of 99% of athletes is extremely short and there is no reason why they shouldn't chase every dollar that they can.

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lobo316 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.


I take the opposing view on salary caps. Take the Leafs, for example.Just when they have become respectable, they will soon have to dismantle  their team.Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. If the Leafs cave in to his salary demands, they will soon have to trade one of them for prospects or cheaper players just to make the cap.My guess is they'll trade Matthews, since he's American.


They should trade Nylander, because they overspent on him. They never should have signed Tavares, because they knew the young talent they had on the roster needed more money in the future. Their current salary cap crunch is entirely self-inflicted, same as the Winnipeg Jets overspending and giving no-trade clauses to veterans, and now they can't clear cap space to sign their young scorers.

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cdewar19 wrote: lobo316 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: lobo316 wrote: I like free agency in sports - it's salary caps I don't like.A team can't sign free agents  or trade for a player if the deal puts them over the cap.
They can in the off season, can they not, as long as they are cap compliant by the start of the season. In hockey anyways this is the case.
Baseball has the luxury tax, no, so the cap is superfluous for the big market teams where everybody wants to go anyways.
The whole basketball salary structure is a nightmare that is circumvented creatively by many teams.
Football is where it seems to really impact teams.
I like salary caps as they are better than the older systems like in hockey where if you were born in a certain are you technically belonged to a team for life. Made for some power house Montreal Canadiens teams.
And at least salary caps make for a semblance of parity and teams not having yo constantly relocate or fold.The Montreal Expos might still exist were it not for the stupidly escalating salaries in baseball.Mind you their ownership sucked as well.


I take the opposing view on salary caps. Take the Leafs, for example.Just when they have become respectable, they will soon have to dismantle  their team.Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. If the Leafs cave in to his salary demands, they will soon have to trade one of them for prospects or cheaper players just to make the cap.My guess is they'll trade Matthews, since he's American.


They should trade Nylander, because they overspent on him. They never should have signed Tavares, because they knew the young talent they had on the roster needed more money in the future. Their current salary cap crunch is entirely self-inflicted, same as the Winnipeg Jets overspending and giving no-trade clauses to veterans, and now they can't clear cap space to sign their young scorers.

The Jets drafted well despite never finishing last or lucking into 1st overall as often as the shitbird Oilers.Too much term and a little too much money for Little but they smartly got rid of Ladd who's been a bust for the Islanders.Wouldn't of signed Kulikov but just over 4M is not horrible.Scheifele, Ehlers, maybe Hellebuyck ( would have gone bit lower for him) and now Morrissey at about 6M each are all pretty good deals compared to what other teams have paid or what is being asked.
Heck something named Nate Schmidt is making 8M + this season for Vegas.

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These NHL RFA's are in Limbo. So in effect, they sit around and lose time from their career..and this year there a whole shitload of top flight players in this position. Laine, Marner, Rantonen, Brayden Point, Matthew Tkachuk, Kyle Connor to name a few.

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I will forever love free agency due to Reggie White signing with my Green Bay Packers. Without his coming to GB they may still be the Siberia of the NFL.

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Leafs just signed Mitch Marner to a 6 year 65 million dollar deal.

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Leafs just signed Mitch Marner to a 6 year 65 million dollar deal.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Leafs just signed Mitch Marner to a 6 year 65 million dollar deal.That greedy bastard signed 2 6 year deals?

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Leafs just signed Mitch Marner to a 6 year 65 million dollar deal.That greedy bastard signed 2 6 year deals?LOL



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