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Last night Lesnar made a surprise appearance on SD! to challenge Kofi Kingston for the WWE title on the first SD! show on FOX.  Lesnar then laid out Kingston with the F-5.  This will be Lesnar's first match on SD! since March 2, 2004 when he beat Bob Holly. 

Not sure where they can go with this.  I don't see Kingston winning but putting the belt on Lesnar is about the worst possible way to kick off the FOX era.  FOX probably wants him as their champion though. 



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srossi wrote:  but putting the belt on Lesnar is about the worst possible way to kick off the FOX era.
Why? He's a HUGE name..people will tune in. He's the perfect guy to put the belt on to kick off the Fox era IMO...



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Yeah, I'm with Marrid Joe on this one. Lesnar is definitely stale, but he's still probably the best choice.



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On the flip side, Kingston retaining and fending off the challenge from a HUGE name like Lesnar makes him look strong, right? Maybe?



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I personally think the Kofi experiment has run its course. I don't think it was a big failure or anything, but the tv ratings are down since he won the title and it's time to move on from him imo.



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Brock would be a fine champion if he actually wrestled more than a handful of matches a year.


I know it’s superficial but I can’t watch Kofi wrestle with his weird chest issue just like I had a hard time with Orndorf matches once his one arm started shrinking.



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WWE fans watching FOX are the same exact fans watching USA. Maybe they get another 300,000 people for the debut episode, but then what? You're immediately back in the same rut. A tired champion who never defends on the new network you're trying to draw ratings for. Been there, done that. There's nothing special about Lesnar after all these years. He needs to take a hiatus.



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srossi wrote: WWE fans watching FOX are the same exact fans watching USA. Maybe they get another 300,000 people for the debut episode, but then what? You're immediately back in the same rut. A tired champion who never defends on the new network you're trying to draw ratings for. Been there, done that. There's nothing special about Lesnar after all these years. He needs to take a hiatus.The part that you don't know (nor do I) is if FOX wants Lesnar on their program, it's possible that they negotiated a deal where he will appear more regularly and paid WWE to make it happen.  Which would explain to me at least why he completely broke off negotiations with UFC to fight Daniel Cormier.  You don't leave what could be a $5m payday on the table unless you are guaranteed to bring that home without getting punched in the face.  If it's true that Lesnar was making $2m per year with WWE, you don't think that they would say to him "Well Brock, if you show up twice a month for the FOX broadcasts of Smackdown, we'll double your paycheck"?  I sure think that's a possibility.  Think of this as well - when Smackdown was kicked from whatever half assed national broadcast TV station they were on, they first went to SyFy for a HUGE drop in rights fees...then they went to USA for not much more than they were making on Syfy.  When FOX came along, the rights fee skyrocketed to the billion dollar deal they signed.  I think that they could spare an extra million or three to get the people that FOX wants.  In fact, I wouldn't be stunned to see Ronda Rousey on FOX with Smackdown in some way/shape/form in 2020.



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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: WWE fans watching FOX are the same exact fans watching USA. Maybe they get another 300,000 people for the debut episode, but then what? You're immediately back in the same rut. A tired champion who never defends on the new network you're trying to draw ratings for. Been there, done that. There's nothing special about Lesnar after all these years. He needs to take a hiatus.The part that you don't know (nor do I) is if FOX wants Lesnar on their program, it's possible that they negotiated a deal where he will appear more regularly and paid WWE to make it happen.  Which would explain to me at least why he completely broke off negotiations with UFC to fight Daniel Cormier.  You don't leave what could be a $5m payday on the table unless you are guaranteed to bring that home without getting punched in the face.  If it's true that Lesnar was making $2m per year with WWE, you don't think that they would say to him "Well Brock, if you show up twice a month for the FOX broadcasts of Smackdown, we'll double your paycheck"?  I sure think that's a possibility.  Think of this as well - when Smackdown was kicked from whatever half assed national broadcast TV station they were on, they first went to SyFy for a HUGE drop in rights fees...then they went to USA for not much more than they were making on Syfy.  When FOX came along, the rights fee skyrocketed to the billion dollar deal they signed.  I think that they could spare an extra million or three to get the people that FOX wants.  In fact, I wouldn't be stunned to see Ronda Rousey on FOX with Smackdown in some way/shape/form in 2020.

If he shows up more then that's a double-edged sword.  He somehow feels overexposed already rarely wrestling, so how are you going to book this asshole twice as often?  The guy refuses to work.  He's put in no effort since his earliest appearances.  All his matches are short and predictable and he kills talent even when he jobs.  So fine, let WWE and FOX keep coddling this asshole at the expense of the rest of the roster while receiving diminishing returns for his appearances.  They already don't seem special.  Within 2 months he won't move the needle by even 10 extra viewers.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: WWE fans watching FOX are the same exact fans watching USA. Maybe they get another 300,000 people for the debut episode, but then what? You're immediately back in the same rut. A tired champion who never defends on the new network you're trying to draw ratings for. Been there, done that. There's nothing special about Lesnar after all these years. He needs to take a hiatus.The part that you don't know (nor do I) is if FOX wants Lesnar on their program, it's possible that they negotiated a deal where he will appear more regularly and paid WWE to make it happen.  Which would explain to me at least why he completely broke off negotiations with UFC to fight Daniel Cormier.  You don't leave what could be a $5m payday on the table unless you are guaranteed to bring that home without getting punched in the face.  If it's true that Lesnar was making $2m per year with WWE, you don't think that they would say to him "Well Brock, if you show up twice a month for the FOX broadcasts of Smackdown, we'll double your paycheck"?  I sure think that's a possibility.  Think of this as well - when Smackdown was kicked from whatever half assed national broadcast TV station they were on, they first went to SyFy for a HUGE drop in rights fees...then they went to USA for not much more than they were making on Syfy.  When FOX came along, the rights fee skyrocketed to the billion dollar deal they signed.  I think that they could spare an extra million or three to get the people that FOX wants.  In fact, I wouldn't be stunned to see Ronda Rousey on FOX with Smackdown in some way/shape/form in 2020.

If he shows up more then that's a double-edged sword.  He somehow feels overexposed already rarely wrestling, so how are you going to book this asshole twice as often?  The guy refuses to work.  He's put in no effort since his earliest appearances.  All his matches are short and predictable and he kills talent even when he jobs.  So fine, let WWE and FOX keep coddling this asshole at the expense of the rest of the roster while receiving diminishing returns for his appearances.  They already don't seem special.  Within 2 months he won't move the needle by even 10 extra viewers.
At no point am I disagreeing with your opinion of Lesnar.  All I'm saying is that FOX, particularly Ruppert Murdoch, wanted Lesnar on his station - and also wanted no crossover between Smackdown and RAW.  I believe he wanted Lesnar 100% based on the numbers he saw him draw with UFC and with any rebroadcasts that FS1 received with Lesnar on them (he even pushed the needle with their 1AM postgame show when he was on the UFC cards).  As far as you saying "stale", "overexposed", etc., I agree with you.  If Brock actually chose to, you know, WRESTLE his opponents, he wouldn't be so stale.  But suplex after suplex doesn't make for much of a match.  Ask anybody how they remember Scott Steiner's run with WWE in 2003.  Even in the TNA years, Scotty was light years ahead of where he was in WWE.



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