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Well it's that time of year again. Herb has sent out the ballots to the "influencers" for his HOF. Looking at this years ballot, it seems like it's running out of steam. This is obviously not Meltzers fault. I think MLB has the same problem with Cooperstown these days. This is turning into the Hall of Very Good. I'll put the whole e-mail that was sent out first and then I'll put my picks. Let me know what picks youse guys would make. Bear in mind I only vote for time periods and geographical locations I'm very familiar with.



It's time for the 2019 Hall of Fame elections.   This ballot is being sent out to major wrestling stars, past and present, major management figures in the industry, writers and historians.   If you are getting this, you are being asked your opinion on who should be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class.  The criteria for the Hall of Fame is a combination of drawing power, being a great in-ring performer or excelling in ones field in pro wrestling, as well as having historical significance in a positive manner.  A candidate should either have something to offer in all three categories, or be someone so outstanding in one or two of those categories that they deserve inclusion.   The names listed below are those under consideration for this year.  To be eligible, a performer must have reached their 35th birthday and completed ten years since their debut as a full-time performer, or be someone who has been a full-time pro wrestler for at least 15 years.   Longevity should be a prime consideration rather than a hot two or three year run, unless someone is so significant as a trend-setter or a historical figure in the business, or valuable to the industry, that they need to be included.  However, just longevity without being either a long-term main eventer, a top draw and/or a top caliber in-ring performer should be seen as relatively meaningless.   The election is broken down into a number of categories.  You should check each category for wrestlers that you feel you are familiar enough with based on geography that you've either traveled or are familiar with, and based on the time you have followed pro wrestling.  You do not have to vote for a wrestler in every category you've checked.   The ballot is also broken down to wrestlers and those who are not pro wrestlers but have been valuable parts of the industry.   The maximum number of wrestlers that you can vote for all the categories is ten.  You can pick as few as zero if you don't believe anyone on this list deserves inclusion.   For wrestling executives, managers, announcers and other outside the ring performers, you can vote for them and they are not counted against the ten.  You can vote for as many as five of them.   All responses are confidential.  There is nothing to worry about politically about any involvement in this process.  Your selections will not be revealed unless you choose to do so yourself.   Anyone who receives mention on 60% of the ballots from the geographical region and time frame (broken down as Continental United States & Canada; Mexico; Japan; and the rest of the world) will be added to the Hall of Fame in the class of 2019.   If you are unfamiliar with any of the candidates due to geography of having never seen them, that is fine.  Ballots are sent to many people from all over the world and from different wrestling cultures so that everyone has as fair a shot at possible.   The breakdown for modern and historical performers is 30 years ago, or 1989.  So if the last year the person was a headliner, or was a key figure in the industry, was prior to 1989, they would be in the historical class.   All performers who receive mention on 10% to 59.9% of the ballots from their geographical region or era will remain on the ballot for consideration next year.  All those who receive less than 10% of the vote will be dropped from next year's ballot.  They can return in two years based on if there is significant feedback from voters who say they will vote for them.  This is mostly for wrestlers who are still active who may improve their career legacy, but can be for retired wrestlers if voters believe they should be put on or returned to the ballot.   In addition, in following the lead of the baseball Hall of Fame, which is the model here, we have a 15-year-rule.  The following candidates have been on the ballot since 2005.  In baseball, this would be their last year of eligibility.  Here, if they don't get at least 50% of the votes in this year's election they will be removed from the ballot.  If they are modern candidates, they can be brought back in the historical performers era in two years if it is more than 30 years since their career as a Hall Fame level performer is up:   The following candidates will be dropped from next year's ballot unless they are elected in or garner 50% of the vote:    Jun Akiyama Don Owen Villano III  



I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES
June Byers
Wild Bull Curry
Cowboy Bob Ellis
Don Fargo
Archie "Mongolian Stomper" Gouldie
Chavo Guerrero Sr.
Rocky Johnson
Jose Lothario
Sputnik Monroe
Blackjack Mulligan
Johnny Rougeau
Dick Slater
George Steele
Enrique Torres
Jimmy & Johnny Valiant
Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff
Bearcat Wright  


I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson w/J.J. Dillon
Junkyard Dog
Edge
Bill Goldberg
Matt & Jeff Hardy 
Rick Martel
Randy Orton
C.M.Punk
Sgt. Slaughter
Trish Stratus
Kerry Von Erich
Ultimate Warrior   


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES
Jun Akiyama
Cima
Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Hayabusa
Kota Ibushi
Tomohiro Ishii
Tetsuya Naito
Kenny Omega
Meiko Satomura
Akira Taue  


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES
Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo)
Caristico
Ultimo Guerrero
Karloff Lagarde
Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) 
Huracan Ramirez
Villano III
Volador Jr.
Dr. Wagner Jr.  


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA
Sypros Arion
Big Daddy
Dominic DeNucci
Billy Joyce
George Kidd
Killer Karl Kox
Mario Milano
Kendo Nagasaki
Jackie Pallo
Rollerball Mark Rocco
Johnny Saint
Ricki Starr
Otto Wanz  


NON-WRESTLERS
Lord James Blears
Dave Brown
Bob Caudle
Jim Crockett Jr.
Jim Crockett Sr.
Gedo
Jim Johnston
Larry Matysik
Stephanie McMahon
James Melby
Don Owen 
Morris Sigel
George Scott
Naoki Sugabayashi
Ted Turner
Stanley Weston
Grand Wizard  




My 10 Picks:
I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES
Blackjack Mulligan
Enrique Torres
Jimmy & Johnny Valiant
Bearcat Wright


I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES
Randy Orton
Trish Stratus


I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA

Big Daddy
Billy Joyce


NON-WRESTLERS
Stanley Weston
Grand Wizard





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My picks:
Blackjack Mulligan
Valiants
Rick Martel
Randy Orton
Dr. Wagner JR.
Ted Turner
The Grand Wizard
Stanley Weston
Don Owen

On the fence:
Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson
Edge
Jun Akiyama
Akira Taue
Jim Crockett Sr.



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Going to assume that you didn’t vote for Tully and Arn based on their lack of longevity as a team. Normally I would agree with this, but at a time when the business was handled differently, they held both the NWA and WWF World Tag Team Championship within I believe a 12 month period, possibly even less time (they left the NWA one night after dropping the straps, then won the WWF straps at Summerslam).

I don’t have as much history as you, so I don’t have really any idea on Bearcat or Torres. I like the other choices, and would have somehow tried to fit the Stomper into that set of votes.

Love the vote for Trish Stratus, as far as performers go in the modern era, male or female, she made as much or more impact than 90% of her peers. Thinking about how she was barking eye candy, and somehow turned into the legendary figure that she is, is just remarkable. She was awful at the start but worked her ass off.

I wouldn’t ever vote for Randy Orton over Edge. Simply put, Vince wanted Orton to be the next big thing, and never gave two shits about Edge. He worked his ass off to get everything he got, had nothing handed to him, and was more over than almost the entire roster for years...as both a face and heel. He was so over that even the smart fans booed him when they were supposed to because they respected him so much.

I don’t have a huge background in the other categories, so I would have not voted for the Europe category. I would have replaced those two with Tully/Arn and George Scott. I would have fit in Stomper over Torres because I just don’t know Torres. And I would vote Edge over Orton, but think both are HOFers. I just think Orton should have to be retired before I vote for him.

I have zero fault with who you voted for, just adding my two cents because you asked.



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Superstar wrote: Going to assume that you didn’t vote for Tully and Arn based on their lack of longevity as a team. Normally I would agree with this, but at a time when the business was handled differently, they held both the NWA and WWF World Tag Team Championship within I believe a 12 month period, possibly even less time (they left the NWA one night after dropping the straps, then won the WWF straps at Summerslam).

I don’t have as much history as you, so I don’t have really any idea on Bearcat or Torres. I like the other choices, and would have somehow tried to fit the Stomper into that set of votes.

Love the vote for Trish Stratus, as far as performers go in the modern era, male or female, she made as much or more impact than 90% of her peers. Thinking about how she was barking eye candy, and somehow turned into the legendary figure that she is, is just remarkable. She was awful at the start but worked her ass off.

I wouldn’t ever vote for Randy Orton over Edge. Simply put, Vince wanted Orton to be the next big thing, and never gave two shits about Edge. He worked his ass off to get everything he got, had nothing handed to him, and was more over than almost the entire roster for years...as both a face and heel. He was so over that even the smart fans booed him when they were supposed to because they respected him so much.

I don’t have a huge background in the other categories, so I would have not voted for the Europe category. I would have replaced those two with Tully/Arn and George Scott. I would have fit in Stomper over Torres because I just don’t know Torres. And I would vote Edge over Orton, but think both are HOFers. I just think Orton should have to be retired before I vote for him.

I have zero fault with who you voted for, just adding my two cents because you asked.I didn't go with Tully and Arn because even though they held the NWA tag belts twice, it wasn't that important a title around then. As far as their WWF run, they only held the straps for a mere 2 months and only made one Wrestlemania apperance.

Enrique Torres was a very big star when wrestling was first introduced to television. He held a version of the world title for about a year. He headlined extensively in California, Texas, San Franciso, and Georgia among others. He even headlined with his brother in pre-Castro Cuba.

Bearcat Wright also held the California version of the world title and was a major headliner on the East Coast also. He would go seamlessly between heel or face depending on the territory. He was second only to Bobo as far as black stars.

Trish definitely belongs in my book because she really put ladies wrestling on the map for the 21st Century. A modern day pioneer.
Randy Orton is another guy who works seamlessly between heel and face even though he's a natural heel. His placement on the card as well as the quality of his matches has been very consistent for at least ten years.

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I was gonna list Trish but missed it somehow. She really did change women's wrestling and influenced a lot of girls to become wrestlers.



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Heenan Fan wrote: I was gonna list Trish but missed it somehow. She really did change women's wrestling and influenced a lot of girls to become wrestlers.I'm actually surprised she's not already in. Then again, as big as an influence as she was, in this particular HOF there were scores of wrestlers from all over the world and spanning back to the 19th century who deserved it more.



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I’m not a historian nor do I have access to footage others don’t but based on the information and footage that exists I can’t believe Mario Milano isn’t already in. He was an institution in Australia and traveled well.


Arn and Tully should be in; their run as a team may have been brief but it was gold from day one.



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Franchise wrote: I’m not a historian nor do I have access to footage others don’t but based on the information and footage that exists I can’t believe Mario Milano isn’t already in. He was an institution in Australia and traveled well.


Arn and Tully should be in; their run as a team may have been brief but it was gold from day one.
Not only was Milano high on the card for many years Down Under but he was the number two baby for Vince the Elder between 1968 - 1970. He had an upper mid-card run in Los Angeles as Mario La Pantero for about a year too. Definitely a good candidate.



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Meltzer would have a shit fit if Trish got in, I think. Only joshi ladies allowed.

If I had a ballot, these would be my picks:

Bill Goldberg
Randy Orton
Trish Stratus
Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo)
Ultimo Guerrero
Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro)
Villano III
Dr. Wagner Jr.
Big Daddy

NON-WRESTLERS

Jim Crockett Sr.
Gedo
Don Owen



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Can someone explain to me the appeal of Randy Orton. To me, he is the opposite of everything a pro wrestler should be. His one positive is that he makes very few mistakes in the ring, but that's only because his move set it so very limited. He's Vince McMahon's perfect wrestler, following the punch kick formula to the letter with nothing that makes him in any way special. I have never looked forward to or been excited about an Orton match. His promos are just as boring. It's as if he is the cookie cutter from which all the WWE cookie cutter wrestlers were made from in the early to mid 2000s. If you removed Randy Orton entirely from wrestling history, what would we have missed?

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Kriss wrote: Can someone explain to me the appeal of Randy Orton. To me, he is the opposite of everything a pro wrestler should be. His one positive is that he makes very few mistakes in the ring, but that's only because his move set it so very limited. He's Vince McMahon's perfect wrestler, following the punch kick formula to the letter with nothing that makes him in any way special. I have never looked forward to or been excited about an Orton match. His promos are just as boring. It's as if he is the cookie cutter from which all the WWE cookie cutter wrestlers were made from in the early to mid 2000s. If you removed Randy Orton entirely from wrestling history, what would we have missed?Everything you said here is correct. However, some of these same shortcomings are actually strengths with him. True you won't see many ***** star matches from Randy. However, he always puts in a solid workman like performance and is rarely lazy in the ring. Orton has also been a main event level wrestler for well over 10 years now. Time and time again he's been at the top or very close to the top of major PPV's. I agree with you that I've never looked forward to a Randy match. However, if I was Vince McMahon, I'd be very happy with Orton as an employee because he can fill so many slots when needed.



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WongLee wrote: Kriss wrote: Can someone explain to me the appeal of Randy Orton. To me, he is the opposite of everything a pro wrestler should be. His one positive is that he makes very few mistakes in the ring, but that's only because his move set it so very limited. He's Vince McMahon's perfect wrestler, following the punch kick formula to the letter with nothing that makes him in any way special. I have never looked forward to or been excited about an Orton match. His promos are just as boring. It's as if he is the cookie cutter from which all the WWE cookie cutter wrestlers were made from in the early to mid 2000s. If you removed Randy Orton entirely from wrestling history, what would we have missed?Everything you said here is correct. However, some of these same shortcomings are actually strengths with him. True you won't see many ***** star matches from Randy. However, he always puts in a solid workman like performance and is rarely lazy in the ring. Orton has also been a main event level wrestler for well over 10 years now. Time and time again he's been at the top or very close to the top of major PPV's. I agree with you that I've never looked forward to a Randy match. However, if I was Vince McMahon, I'd be very happy with Orton as an employee because he can fill so many slots when needed.

Orton is the Harold Baines of HOFers.



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Superstar wrote: Going to assume that you didn’t vote for Tully and Arn based on their lack of longevity as a team. Normally I would agree with this, but at a time when the business was handled differently, they held both the NWA and WWF World Tag Team Championship within I believe a 12 month period, possibly even less time (they left the NWA one night after dropping the straps, then won the WWF straps at Summerslam).

I don’t have as much history as you, so I don’t have really any idea on Bearcat or Torres. I like the other choices, and would have somehow tried to fit the Stomper into that set of votes.

Love the vote for Trish Stratus, as far as performers go in the modern era, male or female, she made as much or more impact than 90% of her peers. Thinking about how she was barking eye candy, and somehow turned into the legendary figure that she is, is just remarkable. She was awful at the start but worked her ass off.

I wouldn’t ever vote for Randy Orton over Edge. Simply put, Vince wanted Orton to be the next big thing, and never gave two shits about Edge. He worked his ass off to get everything he got, had nothing handed to him, and was more over than almost the entire roster for years...as both a face and heel. He was so over that even the smart fans booed him when they were supposed to because they respected him so much.

I don’t have a huge background in the other categories, so I would have not voted for the Europe category. I would have replaced those two with Tully/Arn and George Scott. I would have fit in Stomper over Torres because I just don’t know Torres. And I would vote Edge over Orton, but think both are HOFers. I just think Orton should have to be retired before I vote for him.

I have zero fault with who you voted for, just adding my two cents because you asked.

Tully and Arn actually won the WWF titles on SNME. They had a non-title match with the Hart Foundation at SummerSlam.



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Was that SNME within the year?  I think so because weren’t Tully and Arn only in the WWF for like 15 months or so?



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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Kriss wrote: Can someone explain to me the appeal of Randy Orton. To me, he is the opposite of everything a pro wrestler should be. His one positive is that he makes very few mistakes in the ring, but that's only because his move set it so very limited. He's Vince McMahon's perfect wrestler, following the punch kick formula to the letter with nothing that makes him in any way special. I have never looked forward to or been excited about an Orton match. His promos are just as boring. It's as if he is the cookie cutter from which all the WWE cookie cutter wrestlers were made from in the early to mid 2000s. If you removed Randy Orton entirely from wrestling history, what would we have missed?Everything you said here is correct. However, some of these same shortcomings are actually strengths with him. True you won't see many ***** star matches from Randy. However, he always puts in a solid workman like performance and is rarely lazy in the ring. Orton has also been a main event level wrestler for well over 10 years now. Time and time again he's been at the top or very close to the top of major PPV's. I agree with you that I've never looked forward to a Randy match. However, if I was Vince McMahon, I'd be very happy with Orton as an employee because he can fill so many slots when needed.

Orton is the Harold Baines of HOFers.
Maybe even the Phil Rizzuto



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