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In honor of Hell In A Cell the other night.


I think we'll find that 'wrestling' has ripped off its fans many times. Gimmick matches where the 'ending' kind of spat in the face of the gimmick match in the first place. Loser leaves Town matches where nobody leaves, DQs in no-DQ matches, etc



Gimme Capital Combat 1990 - Flair vs Luger in a cage. Nobody gets in, nobody gets out. Supposedly. Ole Anderson gets control of the thing that lowered the cage onto the ring, and lifts up the cage for Horseman (Windham) interference.

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Scaffold Match at GAB around 1991 with PN News. Gawd, it was sooo bad! I forget the ending, but it went miserably wrong. I think it had to do with a flag getting captured.

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Yes it was announced last minute that there was a "Capture the Flag" stipulation added so nobody would have to take a bump off the scaffold. It was PN News and Bobby Eaton against Terry Taylor and Steve Austin.

The Texas Death Match at Halloween Havoc 93 between Vader and Cactus was awesome, but the way the rules were explained was stupid. After a pinfall there's a 30 second rest period THEN the person pinned has a count of 10 to reach their feet. IIRC Cactus was pinned on the ramp but Vader was also down so after the rest period ends the ref starts a 10 count for both? WTF? But before Jack can get to his feet Harley Race zaps him with a taser and Vader is declared the winner.

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Randy Savage v Crush had something similar, a falls count anywhere match where after a fall you had 30 seconds to get into the ring. Which made zero sense at all.

Savage won after tying Crush's legs to something so, after a fall, Crush couldn't get up.

Notable that Crush pinned Savage after about 30 seconds with a backbreaker but it was next to the ring so Savage could get back in.

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DJP wrote: Yes it was announced last minute that there was a "Capture the Flag" stipulation added so nobody would have to take a bump off the scaffold. It was PN News and Bobby Eaton against Terry Taylor and Steve Austin.

The Texas Death Match at Halloween Havoc 93 between Vader and Cactus was awesome, but the way the rules were explained was stupid. After a pinfall there's a 30 second rest period THEN the person pinned has a count of 10 to reach their feet. IIRC Cactus was pinned on the ramp but Vader was also down so after the rest period ends the ref starts a 10 count for both? WTF? But before Jack can get to his feet Harley Race zaps him with a taser and Vader is declared the winner.


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The Hogan vs. Vader strap match at Uncensored 1995 comes to mind. Ric Flair, in drag mind you, does the job even though he wasn't a participant in the match. Classic WCW horseshit.

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Heenan Fan wrote: The Hogan vs. Vader strap match at Uncensored 1995 comes to mind. Ric Flair, in drag mind you, does the job even though he wasn't a participant in the match. Classic WCW horseshit.

Oh my. I remember that ....

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beejmi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: The Hogan vs. Vader strap match at Uncensored 1995 comes to mind. Ric Flair, in drag mind you, does the job even though he wasn't a participant in the match. Classic WCW horseshit.

Oh my. I remember that ....

Not to mention there was a DQ in the Randy Savage vs Avalanche match.......after they kept hyping that the entire show was "unsanctioned" and there were no DQs.

Speaking of that, Hogan vs. Bockwinkel on I think the Super Sunday card. It was advertised as No DQ. Hogan pins him to win the AWA belt,, but Stanley Blackburn takes it away because he thinks he should be DQed for dumping Bockwinkel over the ropes moments earlier.

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DJP wrote: beejmi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: The Hogan vs. Vader strap match at Uncensored 1995 comes to mind. Ric Flair, in drag mind you, does the job even though he wasn't a participant in the match. Classic WCW horseshit.

Oh my. I remember that ....

Not to mention there was a DQ in the Randy Savage vs Avalanche match.......after they kept hyping that the entire show was "unsanctioned" and there were no DQs.

Speaking of that, Hogan vs. Bockwinkel on I think the Super Sunday card. It was advertised as No DQ. Hogan pins him to win the AWA belt,, but Stanley Blackburn takes it away because he thinks he should be DQed for dumping Bockwinkel over the ropes moments earlier.
I never remember the Hogan vs. Bock match at Super Sunday being a no DQ match stipulation.

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More WCW goodness..

GAB 89: Luger vs Steamboat for the U.S. title. It's either a No DQ or DQ rule waived stipulation (meaning the title can change hands on a DQ). Luger refuses to wrestle unless it's changed to a regular match. Instead of saying fuck you you're stripped of the belt and it's awarded to Steamboat, promoter Gary Juster concedes. Steamboat is DQed for using a chair. I think this also turned out to be his last match in the company until 91 due to a disagreement with Jim Herd over money.

SuperBrawl I: El Gigante vs Sid Vicious in a stretcher match. Sid could give a shit because he's on his way to Stamford. He does the job in a short 2 minute bullshit match. One Man Gang runs in after and Sid just walks away without going on the stretcher.

GAB 91. Rick Steiner goes over Arn and Paul E. in another short bullshit 2 minute cage match . Missy Hyatt was supposed to be Rick's partner, but I think there was an issue with the Commission not allowing her to participate in the match. So they did an angle where the Hardliners kidnapped her or something and Rick went out by himself.

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Heenan Fan wrote: DJP wrote: beejmi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: The Hogan vs. Vader strap match at Uncensored 1995 comes to mind. Ric Flair, in drag mind you, does the job even though he wasn't a participant in the match. Classic WCW horseshit.

Oh my. I remember that ....

Not to mention there was a DQ in the Randy Savage vs Avalanche match.......after they kept hyping that the entire show was "unsanctioned" and there were no DQs.

Speaking of that, Hogan vs. Bockwinkel on I think the Super Sunday card. It was advertised as No DQ. Hogan pins him to win the AWA belt,, but Stanley Blackburn takes it away because he thinks he should be DQed for dumping Bockwinkel over the ropes moments earlier.
I never remember the Hogan vs. Bock match at Super Sunday being a no DQ match stipulation.

There was one match where it was promoted as No DQ but they DQed Hogan anyway and took the belt away. I believe it was this show.

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In Smoky Mountain there was a match between Candido and Ricky Morton, which had Morton's hair vs. Tammy's hair. I forget the exact turn of events, but Candido wound up getting his head shaved. Wore the Buddy Roberts headgear for 2 months and everything.

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Didn’t Hogan once beat Vader in a strap match by dragging Flair dressed as a woman to all 4 turnbuckles, or was that just a fever dream?

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srossi wrote: Didn’t Hogan once beat Vader in a strap match by dragging Flair dressed as a woman to all 4 turnbuckles, or was that just a fever dream?I already mentioned that. 

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Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.

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Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

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UWF PPV Beach Brawl Terry Gordy vs Johnny Ace Double count out in a Badstreet match

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Every lumberjack match of the last 25 years. The focus switches from Guys trying to settle a grudge over to everyone on the floor taking away the attention with their petty fighting for favoritism toward one side.

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So many of these...

One of Kane's early matches was a mask vs mask match against Vader. So stupid on every level. We knew they weren't going to unmask Kane so quickly. But, kayfabe, Vader's mask came off in any match he wrestled that was more than a squash anyway. Everyone knew what he looked like, and he didn't do the Mexican deal of telling everyone his real name, so him unmasking meant nothing. Of course, he continued to wrestle with mask after the match anyway.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

I think the angle was that Jimmy Hart conspired with the Dungeon of Doom and secretly put a clause in the contract where Hogan could lose the title if he got DQed and then caused him to get DQed. So the title change wasn't allowed to stand and that led to the Battle Royal, which was even more horseshit because Hogan was eliminated without really being eliminated and it made Savage look like he didn't deserve the belt.

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DJP wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

I think the angle was that Jimmy Hart conspired with the Dungeon of Doom and secretly put a clause in the contract where Hogan could lose the title if he got DQed and then caused him to get DQed. So the title change wasn't allowed to stand and that led to the Battle Royal, which was even more horseshit because Hogan was eliminated without really being eliminated and it made Savage look like he didn't deserve the belt.

Speaking of which, that multi-level cage match where Hogan and Savage beat every heel in the company, both the DOD and the Horsemen, was just the worst.  I remember that Pillman was advertised for this at the height of his Loose Cannon gimmick and no-showed, either legitimately or as part of the angle that wasn't really an angle, and he avoided being destroyed in the process.

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srossi wrote: DJP wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

I think the angle was that Jimmy Hart conspired with the Dungeon of Doom and secretly put a clause in the contract where Hogan could lose the title if he got DQed and then caused him to get DQed. So the title change wasn't allowed to stand and that led to the Battle Royal, which was even more horseshit because Hogan was eliminated without really being eliminated and it made Savage look like he didn't deserve the belt.

Speaking of which, that multi-level cage match where Hogan and Savage beat every heel in the company, both the DOD and the Horsemen, was just the worst.  I remember that Pillman was advertised for this at the height of his Loose Cannon gimmick and no-showed, either legitimately or as part of the angle that wasn't really an angle, and he avoided being destroyed in the process.
That is probably the worst match I ever saw. When you consider not only was it horrible, but just the fact it was obvious that Hogan and Savage were sending a message to the entire roster that they are the only two guys that matter in the company.

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During the AWA Team Challenge Series, they had a "slam match", where you would win by slamming your opponent. It was "Yukon" Jon Nord and... Sheik Adnan Al-Kaisie. So, yeah, Nord wins easily a few minutes into it.

Very stupid, but I've always wondered if Al-Kaisie was a substitute for Kokina Maximus. Kokina vs. Nord in a "Slam Match" wouldn't have seemed so ridiculous.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: DJP wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

I think the angle was that Jimmy Hart conspired with the Dungeon of Doom and secretly put a clause in the contract where Hogan could lose the title if he got DQed and then caused him to get DQed. So the title change wasn't allowed to stand and that led to the Battle Royal, which was even more horseshit because Hogan was eliminated without really being eliminated and it made Savage look like he didn't deserve the belt.

Speaking of which, that multi-level cage match where Hogan and Savage beat every heel in the company, both the DOD and the Horsemen, was just the worst.  I remember that Pillman was advertised for this at the height of his Loose Cannon gimmick and no-showed, either legitimately or as part of the angle that wasn't really an angle, and he avoided being destroyed in the process.
That is probably the worst match I ever saw. When you consider not only was it horrible, but just the fact it was obvious that Hogan and Savage were sending a message to the entire roster that they are the only two guys that matter in the company.

I think Zeus and Jeep Swenson with in that one too.  For some reason they didn't even enter the cage until everyone was beaten.

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Not exactly a gimmick match, but the Freebirds beat the Road Warriors for the AWA titles. The belts are returned after video replay.


Not long after Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regal beat the Roadies for the belts when the Freebirds interfere. Unfortunately the decision stands because video replay can not be used to overturn the refs decision.


Either you have replay or you don't!

Better than losing your belts via count out I suppose.

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Yeah, less than a year later Hall and Hennig lost the straps by CO to Buddy and Doug Somers. I loved the AWA in the 1980's, but I agree with Ultimate Sin. Horseshit.

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Abrams UWF did a cage match with Orndorff and Dr Death that ended in a double DQ.

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On Labor Day 2000, Raw was preempted by US Open Tennis. WCW had a chance to air Nitro unopposed and had the good idea of having a War Games match on TV. However, the execution was all wrong. The idea to have this big stipulation match came up long after tickets had been sold based on the usual Nitro set up, so they had to make do without the traditional two ring cage. Instead, the triple tower cage was used on the one ring with the cage surrounding the entire ringside area and having two cages above it that could be accessed by ladders and doors. The WCW World Title belt, held by Kevin Nash, was hung in the top of the three cages. Whoever got up there, got the belt, and then made it back down to ground level and out of the cage would win the match for his team and the title for himself.

To make things harder to understand, Vince Russo declared that the babyface team members all had to win qualifying matches throughout Nitro just to be eligible to wrestle in the main event. To my recollection, every single one of the qualifying matches had some sort of screw job or outside interference except for Goldberg beating Shane Douglas. During the War Games itself, the heels were Russo, Nash, Jeff Jarrett, and Scott Steiner. On the babyface side were Goldberg, Sting, and Booker T. Ernest "The Cat" Miller was supposed to be on the babyface side, but lost his qualification match. He did a run in and was active in the bout. Kronik were not supposed to be in the match, but entered the cage and somehow were treated seemingly as actual participants on the babyface side. The Harris Twins were either in the match on the heel side or were just interfering as well. I wasn’t sure then and am not now either.

Goldberg was going to leave with the title belt and win, but Bret Hart came in from the crowd to slam the cage door in Goldberg's face, knocking him out. The story there was that Bret's career was over, but I don't think it was official yet and there was still some hope in WCW that he'd wrestle again. Russo kept running angles with Bret and Goldberg every month or two to set up an eventual match that never happened. Anyway, amidst all of this, Kevin Nash picked up the fallen belt and casually left the cage with it to retain the title and win the bout for his team when Goldberg winning the belt was the obvious way to go for getting fans interested and excited. I don't think Nash ever left the first level of the cage. The show was a critical bust that didn't get a good rating, hammering in another nail on Vince Russo's career there (he was done in less than a month) and WCW as a whole.

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As far as 2000 WCW match endings go, that one wasn't close to being the worst. At least no one had a miscarriage.

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Kriss wrote: As far as 2000 WCW match endings go, that one wasn't close to being the worst. At least no one had a miscarriage.
Who had a miscarriage in WCW?

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Stacy Keibler. I think during a mud match. Albeit I also think it was a swerve, mirabile dictu.

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Flair vs Hogan first blood in the barbed wire cage where Little Naitch would not rule Hogan the winner, despite Flair bleeding all over the place.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: DJP wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Does the Sumo Monster Truck Challenge count when Hogan faced off with the Giant on the roof of Cobo Hall and then Giant fell off the roof to his tragic death.

..until he came back to life and won the World title from Hogan an hour later.
The actual title match was a bigger gimmick than the stupid monster truck challenge and The Giant falling of the roof of Cobo Hall. Remember, Giant won the belt on a DQ and was immediately forced to forfeit the strap. Classic WCW horseshit.

I think the angle was that Jimmy Hart conspired with the Dungeon of Doom and secretly put a clause in the contract where Hogan could lose the title if he got DQed and then caused him to get DQed. So the title change wasn't allowed to stand and that led to the Battle Royal, which was even more horseshit because Hogan was eliminated without really being eliminated and it made Savage look like he didn't deserve the belt.

Speaking of which, that multi-level cage match where Hogan and Savage beat every heel in the company, both the DOD and the Horsemen, was just the worst.  I remember that Pillman was advertised for this at the height of his Loose Cannon gimmick and no-showed, either legitimately or as part of the angle that wasn't really an angle, and he avoided being destroyed in the process.
That is probably the worst match I ever saw. When you consider not only was it horrible, but just the fact it was obvious that Hogan and Savage were sending a message to the entire roster that they are the only two guys that matter in the company.


Yup. Kevin Sullivan has talked about this match. Another example of the damage Hogan did in WCW.



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