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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2019 10:36 pm
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carpetbeggar wrote: No love here for "Theatre Of Pain"?


I think the album is good, but I also think Twisted Sister's "Come Out And Play" and The Rolling Stones "Undercover" are classic albums as well, so what do I know? ;-)

As an album, it's kinda' subpar... but it has "Home Sweet Home", which is THE greatest metal "power ballad" ever. And I'm not even a big Crue fan. It's 80's as hell, but that is a great song.

Maiden should definitely be in. I always bring up a Sunday morning in 1982, when I was watching TV and stumbled onto the video to "Run to the Hills", and about 30 minutes later, AWA Wrestling. My life was forever changed. No exaggeration.


I'll go out on a limb and voice support for Cher. My mom and wife dragged me to her Vegas show, two years ago...and I have to say it had the best sound, production, and theatrics I've ever seen. Sure, that's because it was a semi-permanent venue, but I was not bored and impressed with that old broad.

Plus, she did a song with Beavis & Butt-head. Or as they would say: "uhhh... huh huh, we did a three-way with Cher. Huh huh. That was cool".

I would not drive around cranking her tunes, but I have no issues with Cher being inducted. Would "Sonny & Cher" be a completely different act and subject to their own induction?



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 Posted: Tue Oct 15th, 2019 11:06 pm
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they have run out of real legends to put in there.  the list gets worse every year.

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Ok so they just announced the actual candidates today.
  • Pat Benatar
  • Dave Matthews Band
  • Depeche Mode
  • The Doobie Brothers
  • Whitney Houston
  • Judas Priest
  • Kraftwerk
  • MC5
  • Motörhead
  • Nine Inch Nails
  • The Notorious B.I.G.
  • Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
  • Todd Rundgren
  • Soundgarden
  • T.Rex
  • Thin Lizzy
To me, Thin Lizzy tops this list. Followed by Motorhead and Todd Rundgren. With Todd it's more for his producing. Lizzy for their incredible array of studio albums. Motorhead for longevity and unique sound.
An honorable mention goes to Rufus and Chaka Khan who was one of the very best bands I've seen live.



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So i am going to try to get Whitney Houston, Notorious BIG, Rufus and Kraftwerk(just because they have one of my favorite sample Man Machine)

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The question of who gets in with certain groups and who does not has been a real problem for some fans, artists, and music media over the years because there is a lack of consistency and transparency in how the decisions are made.

- In the early days of the HOF, Ian Stewart went in along with Jagger, Richards, Watts, Wyman, Jones, Taylor, and Wood. I have no idea about the politics, but assume Jagger and Richards played hard ball and the HOF at a point when it was just a banquet event in New York and there wasn't a physical hall of fame went along with it to ensure they'd show up.

- The Supremes went in with only the original Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, and Florence Ballard trio. Cyndi Birdsong was excluded.

- When The Beach Boys went in, Bruce Johnston was left out.

- For KISS, it was only Gene, Paul, Ace, and Peter. I get that on a certain level as that was their peak fame era and that is the body of work on the basis of which they're popularity and induction were built. However, it seemed a bit unfair to post makeup guys like Kulick, Carr, and Singer.

- Nirvana went in with Cobain, Novoselic, and Grohl, but the guy who drummed on "Bleach", Chad Canning, got left out. Compare that to some other groups in which original members got in while better known later members did not.

- To stretch from that point, Pearl Jam went in with Vedder, McCready, Gossard, Ament, drummer since the late 1990s Matt Cameron, and Dave Krusen who drummed on "Ten" yet Dave Abbruzzese who drummed on "Vs." and "Vitalogy" and who toured "Ten" was left out in what he rightfully considered a massive insult. He didn't leave the band on good terms and Eddie Vedder was quick to say his exclusion in this case was not of the band's doing at all. Krusen was astonished to be included and even more so that his immediate successor was left on the outside.

- However Red Hot Chili Peppers went in with Keidis, Flea, Smith, and Frusciante plus Slovak, Jack Irons (who drummed for Pearl Jam between Abbruzzese and Cameron and was also omitted), founding drummer Cliff Martinez, and, to the confusion and outrage of many, Josh Klinghoffer who replaced Frusciante in 2009 which was long after the band's creative, commercial, and cultural relevance peaks.

- Bon Jovi went in with the five core members plus Hugh McDonald who as a studio sideman and touring member replaced Such after he left, but didn't become an official member until a few ago.

It has been said more than once in the past several years that the HOF decides who gets in and who doesn't when bands have high membership turnover with being an original member and/or being on the key album or single being the decider. However, when that doesn't get applied across the board, it undermines the credibility of an institution that you can argue is on shaky ground in this regard in the first place.

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Since he’ll never get in on his own, Ronnie James Dio not being inducted with Black Sabbath was a huge slap in the face to a legend. Although they were almost like 2 separate bands with Ozzy and with Dio, the Dio era was also a critical and commercial success even if they weren’t as influential as those early Sabbath albums.  There are certainly other bands that had two completely difference sounds with different members, most notably Fleetwood Mac, which started as a legit blues band but is best known as a pop vehicle for Stevie Nicks. Just about everyone was inducted. 

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Rock & Roll is hard.


They've already said Motorhead would only be Lemmy, Clarke, and Taylor.


Thin Lizzy would be a real clusterfuck. Should Eric Bell get in? Hell to the yeah IMO. Gary Moore, Robo, Snowy White, John Sykes, Darren Wharton, and Midge Ure all put in time with the band and made significant contributions.


The Doobie Brothers lineup probably numbers in the hundreds.



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WongLee wrote: Rock & Roll is hard.


They've already said Motorhead would only be Lemmy, Clarke, and Taylor

Phil Campbell has only been in the band since 1984. What did he ever do?  Absolutely ridiculous. The problem is that those assholes know nothing about metal, and don’t want to learn, so they determine their highest honor by going on Wikipedia for 12 minutes. They’d never disrespect a funk band like that. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Rock & Roll is hard.


They've already said Motorhead would only be Lemmy, Clarke, and Taylor

Phil Campbell has only been in the band since 1984. What did he ever do?  Absolutely ridiculous. The problem is that those assholes know nothing about metal, and don’t want to learn, so they determine their highest honor by going on Wikipedia for 12 minutes. They’d never disrespect a funk band like that.
Mikey Dee was in over twenty years also. But all accounts he basically ran the band the whole time he was in it.



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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Rock & Roll is hard.


They've already said Motorhead would only be Lemmy, Clarke, and Taylor

Phil Campbell has only been in the band since 1984. What did he ever do?  Absolutely ridiculous. The problem is that those assholes know nothing about metal, and don’t want to learn, so they determine their highest honor by going on Wikipedia for 12 minutes. They’d never disrespect a funk band like that.
Mikey Dee was in over twenty years also. But all accounts he basically ran the band the whole time he was in it.

I love Mikky Dee but Campbell made him look like a junior member. They both belong obviously. But I doubt Motorhead will even be inducted so it’s a moot point. I really wish they could’ve gotten it with Lemmy alive so he could’ve told them all to go fuck themselves. That’s why they never nominated them before I guess. 



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Tom Morello's been on the R&R HOF committee for awhile and he's been part of the reason more metal acts have shown up in recent years. Say what you want about Morello, but he gets hard rock and metal.

Motorhead's been pretty much Lemmy/Campbell/Dee since 1992. For awhile in the late 80's, it seemed like it was just Lemmy and whoever he was drinking with, but the lineup really solidified once it became Lemmy/Campbell/Dee.

I think all members of an inducted band should at least be acknowledged. Sure, everyone knows the stars on the Superbowl Champs, but the backups and scrubs also got rings.

Get the iconic or "prime" members to show up to play two songs...but make sure you have the entire band on the actual plaque.

I went to the HOF in 2004. It's worth the visit, but felt more like a traveling "history of American music" exhbit to me. At the time, I didn't see an actual "hall" with busts and plaques, a la Cooperstown and Canton. They may have added one... anyone know?



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I was there in 2011 or so and they had a room with plaques or something, but it was nothing as substantial as Cooperstown. That’s still a huge area of weakness for the museum.



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Erick Von Erich wrote: I went to the HOF in 2004. It's worth the visit, but felt more like a traveling "history of American music" exhbit to me. At the time, I didn't see an actual "hall" with busts and plaques, a la Cooperstown and Canton. They may have added one... anyone know?
I was at the R&R HOF about a month ago for the 1st time from opening to close. There was a room on the upper floor with all(?) the inductees listed under year they were inducted on simple wall plaques. It was interactive with headphones & media screens 

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I was thinking again and it hit me that the HOF put Klinghoffer in with the Red Hot Chili Peppers when he had one album under his belt and has only a second to date, but Dave Navaro is not in with the band despite his one album with them being a better seller, better received critically, and coming at or near their peak of popularity and relevance.

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WongLee wrote: ...The Doobie Brothers lineup probably numbers in the hundreds.
The Doobies get my vote just so that Michael McDonald gets in the HOF. One of the greatest voices in soul music ever.

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