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I've only watched AEW this week so far. I thought the show was fantastic, again. It's basically the perfect blend of great wrestling storytelling (harking back to the best of the late 90s) but combined with great wrestling from top to bottom. It's what I've always wanted for years. What if the great indy wrestlers were allowed to perform in front of a large crowd on live TV? AEW. What if the best workers in the world weren't stifled by the WWE-style (which even happens on NXT to some extent)? AEW. What if the great wrestlers didn't have to hold back because they weren't the main event? AEW. What if those flippy-floppy indy guys actually sold, rather than just did move-move-move? AEW.

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I haven't watched yet - going to watch later on tonight. Really been enjoying watching the show so far. As I think Married Jo said, the two hours just flies by. Hell, the opening segment of RAW can feel like it's taking two hours.



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I've only watched AEW. Thought it was really strong, again. They finally made me care a little bit about Darby Allin. He looked good in defeat and his spots with his hands taped behind his back were amazing. Then Jericho still needs help from Hager to win. That's how you get someone over in defeat.

No Cody on the show other than a vignette. Smart not to give the impression that he's being pushed down your throat. None of The Elite guys have been putting themselves over at all.

Tag match with Moxley/PAC vs. Omega/Page was good. I like PAC having the common sense not to want to be DQ'ed, and then the maniac Moxley doesn't give a shit and winds up turning on him. That was original. PAC was gushing blood from his fingers when he cut them taking that barbed wire bat away from Moxley.

Jim Cornette had a coronary on Twitter about Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy. LOL I thought they had a perfectly fine match with the Lucha Bros. Luchasaurus was legit hurt, but they pivoted nicely and told a good story once again about the underdogs getting in some offense before ultimately losing. Nothing wrong with that.



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The story they tell about wins and loses meaning something really worked into that tag match. PAC wanted to protect his record, so didn't want to be DQ'd. Moxley is crazy, so he doesn't care about his record. I can't imagine Raw doing anything so subtle.

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srossi wrote:

Jim Cornette had a coronary on Twitter about Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy. LOL I thought they had a perfectly fine match with the Lucha Bros. Luchasaurus was legit hurt, but they pivoted nicely and told a good story once again about the underdogs getting in some offense before ultimately losing. Nothing wrong with that.

Jesus, what was he bitching about, their size? That match was off the charts fun and done in a way that worked with them being so small. That was my favorite match of the night and I usually don't go for the luchadore flippy stuff but that was good fun and believable. He just loves to bitch..



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Married Jo wrote: srossi wrote:

Jim Cornette had a coronary on Twitter about Marko Stunt and Jungle Boy. LOL I thought they had a perfectly fine match with the Lucha Bros. Luchasaurus was legit hurt, but they pivoted nicely and told a good story once again about the underdogs getting in some offense before ultimately losing. Nothing wrong with that.

Jesus, what was he bitching about, their size? That match was off the charts fun and done in a way that worked with them being so small. That was my favorite match of the night and I usually don't go for the luchadore flippy stuff but that was good fun and believable. He just loves to bitch..

He called it "the worst tag team match in the history of the business".  LOL  He really is a great commentator still, and doesn't let his batshit crazy views affect his work.  I mostly stay off Twitter, so that's all I care about.



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I thought the tag match stunk, too. I turned off after watching part of it. It just isn't believable to me. If they had a mini divison or either of them were teamed with a heavy, that would be fine.
I may watch the main event today just for Jericho.



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martini wrote: I thought the tag match stunk, too. I turned off after watching part of it. It just isn't believable to me. If they had a mini divison or either of them were teamed with a heavy, that would be fine.
I may watch the main event today just for Jericho.


But the smaller guys got beaten pretty easily. The little guys got in some offence when the bigger guys got cocky. Exactly how it should have happened. You can argue all day about the physics of the huracanrana, but the same can be said of the Irish whip, and we might as well stop watching wrestling.

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Kriss wrote: martini wrote: I thought the tag match stunk, too. I turned off after watching part of it. It just isn't believable to me. If they had a mini divison or either of them were teamed with a heavy, that would be fine.
I may watch the main event today just for Jericho.


But the smaller guys got beaten pretty easily. The little guys got in some offence when the bigger guys got cocky. Exactly how it should have happened. You can argue all day about the physics of the huracanrana, but the same can be said of the Irish whip, and we might as well stop watching wrestling.

This is exactly what I was thinking.  It was a glorified squash match, with a few flashy hope spots thrown in.  That's Wrestling 101.  What the fuck do people want?  Luchasaurus was supposed to be in the match and got hurt.  They made the best of the situation.  Geez.

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A few people pointed out that Dr. Michael Sampson was seen on camera last night during the Christopher Daniels stretcher spot.  Sampson was the doctor who saved Jerry Lawler's life when he had his heart attack on Raw.  AEW has poached him and he's now the head of medical for all AEW shows.  After AEW went off the air, Cody gave him a shout out from the ring.  Take that, WWE!  

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: I thought the tag match stunk, too. I turned off after watching part of it. It just isn't believable to me. If they had a mini divison or either of them were teamed with a heavy, that would be fine.
I may watch the main event today just for Jericho.


But the smaller guys got beaten pretty easily. The little guys got in some offence when the bigger guys got cocky. Exactly how it should have happened. You can argue all day about the physics of the huracanrana, but the same can be said of the Irish whip, and we might as well stop watching wrestling.

This is exactly what I was thinking.  It was a glorified squash match, with a few flashy hope spots thrown in.  That's Wrestling 101.  What the fuck do people want?  Luchasaurus was supposed to be in the match and got hurt.  They made the best of the situation.  Geez.
Bingo. That match was perfect and what wrestling should be..



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I'm going to talk about wrestlers, their gear (and street clothes count as gear), and how it matters.

Darby Allin needs new gear so badly that the match last night should have been stopped and the show sent to commercials so he could go to the back and change before the break ended. He has skinny legs with calves with the circumference of a 12 oz. soda pop can. That he had cutoff jeans over black tights and with boots that appeared to be sneakers made his lower body look worse. This admittedly might not be a bad thing for AEW, but his look came off as indy geek instead of big star. Get the guy long tights with high cut boots to make his legs not look like toothpicks or get the long pants that flare out like Shawn Michaels wore in the last years of his career. I'm also not certain if having him and Dustin Rhodes with the half painted faces is a good idea or not, but it's a small part of this issue.

The promotion wants to get Jake Hager over as this legit killer amateur wrestler and MMA guy. So far its working and I never believed it would be possible for anyone to care about him back in the Jack Swagger days. There are certain Brock Lensar parallels. However, while Brock shows up in a t-shirt with track suit pants looking like the douchebag from the gym who's just begging you to give him a reason to hassle you, Jake dresses like a guy working in a mall kiosk who wants to pull you aside for an exciting conversation about how much better your home would look with new siding. He doesn't have to copy Brock's look, but make the guy a star faster by having him dress like one instead of like some fan who came right to the matches from work.

Marko Stunt wrestling didn't bother me and it didn't bother AEW fans because right now that promotion is in full 1998 to 2000 WWF mode in which everything gets accepted by and gets over with the fans. However, he was another small guy who actually looked smaller and less imposing due to his gear. For the Jim Cornette's of the world, this tiny guy being in the ring and making still small guys look like giants by comparison is appalling and his gear doesn't matter. However, were he dressed less like an indy geek from the crowd, he might have some hope in that spot. He was another guy in sneakers or low cut, almost amateur, wrestling boots that needed real gear.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: martini wrote: I thought the tag match stunk, too. I turned off after watching part of it. It just isn't believable to me. If they had a mini divison or either of them were teamed with a heavy, that would be fine.
I may watch the main event today just for Jericho.


But the smaller guys got beaten pretty easily. The little guys got in some offence when the bigger guys got cocky. Exactly how it should have happened. You can argue all day about the physics of the huracanrana, but the same can be said of the Irish whip, and we might as well stop watching wrestling.

This is exactly what I was thinking.  It was a glorified squash match, with a few flashy hope spots thrown in.  That's Wrestling 101.  What the fuck do people want?  Luchasaurus was supposed to be in the match and got hurt.  They made the best of the situation.  Geez.
Squash matches shouldn't go three segments with intros included as one. If you don't get that, I can't help you. That's wrestling 101. There's where the problem lies. If you wanna squash them with a couple hope spots, take care of it in one segment and move along. That extra time could've been better utilized in 100s of ways.



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I think AEW is a decent show, but I'd really like to know why I should care about certain guys, and why they are feuding. Why did Mox attack Omega for no reason? Why are they fighting?

Tell me about these guys- the video package on Cody was nice, but I think most people know who Cody is. Who is Darby Allin? Who are Jungle Boy and Marko Stunt? I have no idea who they are other than seeing highlights from their past AEW shows. But tell me about them. Right now the difference between the already-made stars (Jericho, Cody, Bucks) and people they want to push (Sammy Guerverra, Darby Allin, MJF, etc) is huge. Unless you follow their youtube channel, the casual fan doesn't have any idea about half these guys.



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wittman2 wrote: I think AEW is a decent show, but I'd really like to know why I should care about certain guys, and why they are feuding. Why did Mox attack Omega for no reason? Why are they fighting?

Tell me about these guys- the video package on Cody was nice, but I think most people know who Cody is. Who is Darby Allin? Who are Jungle Boy and Marko Stunt? I have no idea who they are other than seeing highlights from their past AEW shows. But tell me about them. Right now the difference between the already-made stars (Jericho, Cody, Bucks) and people they want to push (Sammy Guerverra, Darby Allin, MJF, etc) is huge. Unless you follow their youtube channel, the casual fan doesn't have any idea about half these guys.



For me, they are doing the opposite of what WWE does. WWE shows are written to be accessible to someone who doesn't follow the product week in and week out, almost to be point of being accessible to someone who has never watched wrestling before. AEW reward you for following the product. For me, Dynamite by itself is the best wrestling on TV right now, even if you just enjoy the matches. TV has changed in the last 20 years. Most shows have ongoing stories, callbacks to seemingly unimportant moments from previous episodes or running jokes that are only funny if you've been following along. It's about engaging and rewarding your fan base. WWE isn't going for that audience. Rossi has explained this in better detail, but they format their shows as reality TV, and AEW is going for more of the HBO vibe.

 

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