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The scheduled WWE charter flight out of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to tonight's Friday Night Smackdown in Buffalo, NY has been delayed for hours due to what sources indicate is a mechanical issue with the fuel line of the plane, although we have heard there are other issues. 

WWE talents and staff have been sitting on the plane for hours (they started boarding seven hours ago, as of this writing) as they have cleared customs leaving Saudi Arabia and cannot leave the plane without going through customs to enter the country again.
One source described the flight as "canceled" but we are told talents are still on the flight waiting to take off.

We are told that WWE has been able to rush out certain talents on another plane, but have not been able to confirm which.  The others are waiting to leave - and may still have several hours to wait before being able to depart and head back to the United States, which given the length of the flight, could very well mean they don't make it back to the United States back in time for tonight's live Friday Night Smackdown broadcast on FOX.

With a seven hour (and counting) wait and a 6,621 mile flight from point A to point B ahead of them, it's going to be a long day for WWE talents and staff, whether they make it to Smackdown or not. 

If WWE cannot get their talents to the Buffalo taping in time, the company will have quite the conundrum on their hands. 

We are told that WWE Champion Brock Lesnar has departed Saudi Arabia on his private plane, so it's possible he could be tapped for Smackdown.  Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Drew Gulak, Elias,  Matt Hardy, and The Miz, among others, did not travel to Saudi Arabia to perform on Crown Jewel and are in the United States, so the company would have them available, on top of any other talents who were able to make it back.

Obviously, WWE could always rush other members of the Raw roster (if FOX and NBC approve Raw talent appearances) or possibly members of the WWE NXT roster to Buffalo if needed.  

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The flight was canceled - they were all sent to hotels. WWE is losing their shit trying to get the "essentials" back for Smackdown.

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PWInsider has been told the "majority" of those delayed leaving Saudi Arabia for tonight's Smackdown taping will not make the taping and are now at hotels in Riyadh. We are told there is no word yet when they are now leaving to return to the United States.

WWE has made arrangements to try to get those "absolutely neccesary" for Smackdown to the taping, we are told.

There are a LOT of people within WWE upset about the situation, going as far up the ladder as you can imagine.

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That's what happens when you take blood money. You have to occasional deal with minor inconveniences like travel delays and beheadings.  FOX must be absolutely thrilled that they threw all this money at WWE so far.

Considering the propaganda machine that WWE has been for the royal family, and the personal connections that the company has with them, I'm absolutely shocked that the government isn't bending over backwards to do away with customs formalities and getting them new planes ASAP to make them happy.

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srossi wrote: That's what happens when you take blood money. You have to occasional deal with minor inconveniences like travel delays and beheadings.  FOX must be absolutely thrilled that they threw all this money at WWE so far.This travel delay could've been anywhere, but I can see your point.  You travel that far with that little of a window to return, you've made your bed.  They pulled this shit last year on one of their Japan legs, having talent get home and report to (I think) RAW something like 12 hours later.  You can't abuse the talent this way - if you are doing Crown Jewel, you need to leave some bodies behind "just in case".  Even with a dozen people they can broadcast Smackdown.  Have Daniel Bryan put in a 30 minute clinic against somebody, maybe Miz.  Then with all of the replays, commercials, and 'Moments Ago', you've filled your first hour.  This isn't that hard to figure out, it's just that WWE doesn't book logically.

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This has happened because Vince sold the same wrestling company to four different people, USA, FOX, the Saudis and the WWE network. If he can keep the plates spinning, everyone thinks that they have bought the whole show, but he can't keep the plates spinning forever.

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With the money they are taking in on these shows they can afford to have multiple flights. I didn’t watch crown jewel but they should have had the talent from the first 3 matches at the airport yesterday ready to hop a bird before the event itself was completed.


The E needs to step up their travel spending now that they have multiple high paying partners. If I worked at Fox I would have asked the questions weeks ago; what does the talent travel look like? What are your back up plans? what is the back up back up plan? and now my questions would be how can you assure me this won’t happen again even if this is just a near miss.

Political feelings aside this is just poor planning on the E’s part.

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Franchise wrote: With the money they are taking in on these shows they can afford to have multiple flights. I didn’t watch crown jewel but they should have had the talent from the first 3 matches at the airport yesterday ready to hop a bird before the event itself was completed.I guarantee Lesnar was 500 miles from there when the card ended.

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Superstar wrote: Franchise wrote: With the money they are taking in on these shows they can afford to have multiple flights. I didn’t watch crown jewel but they should have had the talent from the first 3 matches at the airport yesterday ready to hop a bird before the event itself was completed.I guarantee Lesnar was 500 miles from there when the card ended.

He seemed like he was 500 miles from there during his match too. 

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The WWE roster is delayed in its return from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, following a historic performance at yesterday’s record-breaking WWE Crown Jewel event.

More than 175 Superstars, production crew and employees boarded a 747 charter flight back to the United States on Thursday. After the door closed, due to several aircraft problems including mechanical issues, all passengers sat on the tarmac for more than six hours. With SmackDown set to emanate live from Buffalo, N.Y., several Superstars felt so strongly that they arranged for their own separate charter in order to make it back to the U.S. for the show. Due to unforeseen issues, that charter will not land until after the live broadcast on FOX.

The remainder of WWE’s Superstars, staff and crew will depart on a charter set to depart Saudi Arabia later tonight.

As always with WWE, the show must go on. Live at 8/7 CT on FOX, SmackDown will feature Superstars, such as Daniel Bryan, The Miz, Carmella, Nikki Cross, Dana Brooke — plus, additional surprises.

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WWE has always had split rosters to avoid these types of crazy travel problems, dating back to the '80s when they had A, B, and even C towns.  Now with the brand split, there should be no excuse for this sort of thing, but as Kriss pointed out they are trying to sell everyone on a full roster when that's not practical.  The Saudi show should've been a Raw-only show as there is no way to guarantee that Smackdown talent could travel 7,000 miles in less than 24 hours and perform at a level that would meet expectations.  It's also a ridiculous thing to ask the talent to do when it's totally unnecessary.  WWE has hundreds of talents under contract, more than they can ever use, and the same 20 guys are being paraded around the world constantly as everyone else demands a release or is miserable from lack of ring time.

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I'm actually interested in watching this show. Can't remember the last time I said that about SmackDown.

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Brock has his own private plane? Fuck you Cain Velasquez.

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Tonight's ratings go up as people tune in just to see how this situation is handled, right?

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WongLee wrote: Brock has his own private plane? Fuck you Cain Velasquez.

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WongLee wrote: Brock has his own private plane? Fuck you Cain Velasquez.
Hogan and Flair arrived in Saudi Arabia on Lesnar's plane after they ran into aircraft trouble in Greenland and Lesnar happened to be refueling there.  If Bill Watts was still alive, they all would've been fired for exposing the biz.

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There are all sorts of rumors swirling now that this is NOT a mechanical issue and the government was essentially holding WWE hostage for a transgression that is being speculated about. Meltzer says no one knows for sure right now except for Vince. Some of the talent took it in stride as a bad travel day that could happen anywhere, some were panicking. Buddy Murphy tweeted that he would never go back to Saudi Arabia. 


A few sources that don’t seem reliable are saying that Saudi Arabia is mad at Natalya for kissing some ringside fans after her match, but that could be complete BS. No one seems to know what the problem is, but this wasn’t a random malfunction.

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Tom Phillips, Rene Young, and Aiden English will call Smackdown tonight.

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Atlas Air, the charter jet company that WWE used, released a statement taking the blame for mechanical issues that delayed the flight.

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It appears Brock has "quit" Smackdown and is heading to Raw.  So now the red Universal belt will be the main title on the blue brand.  Makes total sense lol.  I'm surprised FOX would be ok with not having Brock.  I'm assuming that won't be the case and swerve is coming.

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So far Shayna Baszler lays out Bayley and Sasha Banks and Matt Riddle and Keith Lee confront Sami Zayn. NXT in the house.

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srossi wrote: There are all sorts of rumors swirling now that this is NOT a mechanical issue and the government was essentially holding WWE hostage for a transgression that is being speculated about. Meltzer says no one knows for sure right now except for Vince. Some of the talent took it in stride as a bad travel day that could happen anywhere, some were panicking. Buddy Murphy tweeted that he would never go back to Saudi Arabia. 


A few sources that don’t seem reliable are saying that Saudi Arabia is mad at Natalya for kissing some ringside fans after her match, but that could be complete BS. No one seems to know what the problem is, but this wasn’t a random malfunction.
Yeah, this whole thing seems a bit fishy.

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HHH looked like a giant in the land of the midgets to close out SD tonight.

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Best WWE show in years. They just needed Vince to be stranded 7000 miles away. What a main event! Takeover worthy and a legit dream match.

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Over on WC, CM is saying that only black guys and chicks were held up.

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Obviously. He's a taint tickler.

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NXT had a live event in Florida scheduled tonight, which explains why some top stars like Johnny Gargano were not on Smackdown. They needed some main eventers for their own show so the crowd didn’t feel ripped off. As it is, those fans got a weak NXT live card.

Meltzer says that the opening segment with Brock was always planned for tonight and went on unchanged. With Wyatt winning the title, they needed to get Lesnar to Raw so they brand could also have a World champion. The rest of the show was written by HHH (and it showed), but Vince signed off.

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srossi wrote: Meltzer says LULZ

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There's obviously more to the story that's still to come out.



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They should have taped a Smackdown in Saudi Arabia. Double down.

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This was all planned and a work lol wwe is playing games and it is obvious

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kargol wrote: They should have taped a Smackdown in Saudi Arabia. Double down.

The Saudi deal was originally for the shows to be on Fridays, and that was one of the ideas floated before they agreed to move it to the Thursday.

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Portalesman wrote: Over on WC, CM is saying that only black guys and chicks were held up.

And in today's installment of Dog Bites Man News, you missed the point.

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Hugo Savinovich claims that Saudi Arabia never paid WWE for the last show or this one. Vince got into a big fight with someone there and had Kevin Dunn cut the local feed and the Prince held everyone hostage as they tried to fly out. Seems easy enough to prove or disprove if anyone from that part of the world can back up that the feed cut off. 

Meltzer will only say this:

“All I know is that people in WWE, around WWE, all have the same story, very different from public story but I can't corroborate anything past you'd have to be naive if not at least questioning things.”

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Not sure how valid this website is, but I found this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/report-crown-prince-ordered-wwe-talent-off-the-plane-after-vince-mcmahon-cut-off-crown-jewel-tv-feed-in-saudi-arabia-due-to-money-issue/amp/

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It begs the question about why the Saudis wouldn't pay the WWE, it's not like there's a shortage of money and the WWE hasn't had any qualms about running shows there once the heat got turned up, and why the WWE would go back if it hadn't been paid. For that matter, why would Vince get to fly out after the feed got cut with the B teamers kept over? The Hugo Savinovich version of events seems off.

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Vince may have screwed Bret, but according to that story, Saudi screwed Vince....and then Saudi screwed the staff and talent.... and Saudi tried to screw Smackdown but that backfired and Smackdown was better lol.

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tamalie wrote: It begs the question about why the Saudis wouldn't pay the WWE, it's not like there's a shortage of money and the WWE hasn't had any qualms about running shows there once the heat got turned up, and why the WWE would go back if it hadn't been paid. For that matter, why would Vince get to fly out after the feed got cut with the B teamers kept over? The Hugo Savinovich version of events seems off.Did Vince fly back while part of his roster were still detained? Even if Hugo's story is b.s., I still think Vince flying back while part of his roster is still detained in SA is a dick move barring an emergency situation. And no, running Smackdown Live is not an emergency situation. I heard Vince was detained, but all the news stories are sketchy at best, so who the hell knows?

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If there was any political / business issue Vince should have been the last one out. If it was mechanical then ehh.

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Heenan Fan wrote: tamalie wrote: It begs the question about why the Saudis wouldn't pay the WWE, it's not like there's a shortage of money and the WWE hasn't had any qualms about running shows there once the heat got turned up, and why the WWE would go back if it hadn't been paid. For that matter, why would Vince get to fly out after the feed got cut with the B teamers kept over? The Hugo Savinovich version of events seems off.Did Vince fly back while part of his roster were still detained? Even if Hugo's story is b.s., I still think Vince flying back while part of his roster is still detained in SA is a dick move barring an emergency situation. And no, running Smackdown Live is not an emergency situation. I heard Vince was detained, but all the news stories are sketchy at best, so who the hell knows?
Vince and others left before the other plane was ever delayed or anyone had any reason to think there'd be a problem. If the issue was about not wanting to pay because the feed got cut, why would he be allowed to leave? For that matter, even if Vince McMahon is often a petty and irrational person, the idea that he'd cut the Crown Jewel feed in country while the show was in progress makes no sense. Far from getting the WWE paid, it would justify it not getting paid and would seem to accomplish very little. 

I don't know what is going on anymore than anyone else, but this story sounds fishy. I won't say someone is making things up wholesale, but this account sounds like one in which the story has passed so many leaves far out on a branch of the information distribution tree that extrapolation of details combined with speculation getting wrongly perceived as facts to create an account of what happened that bears only a slight resemblance to what actually occurred.

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O.K., I wasn't aware Vince flew out not knowing there were gonna be problems. And yeah, story seems fishy to say the least so far.

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Rob Feinstein of all people has been on Facebook saying that he’s been in touch with about a dozen of the wrestlers trapped there and they were scared for their lives and it was not a mechanical issue, but he’s not 100% sure what happened and everyone has been sworn to secrecy and aren’t sure themselves. A few tweets though are revealing, but very vague. Rusev was asking people to pray for him. That’s a weird thing to tweet if you’re simply waiting at the hotel for a plane to be fixed.

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Portalesman wrote: Over on WC, CM is saying that only black guys and chicks were held up.

Friggin hilarious 

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I'm listening to the current WOR right now and Dave is saying that the WWE was owed a bunch of money and they received sixty million a couple hours before the show went on.


The show was on a couple hour delay in SA as Vince wouldn't let it air live.

They didn't end up taking off until 24 hours later.

I'm sure Dave will find out more. It's like some people told Dave..."the wrestler's were pawns in a dick waving contest between Saudi and Vince."


Saudi may have a ton of money, but make no mistake, they will nickel and dime and fuck you over any chance they get.


And fuck Rusev and the other wrestlers that were stuck there tweeting and messaging people to pray for them and that they were fearing for their lives. Fucking bunch of sheltered babies. Yes I'm sure the Saudi military was going to march a bunch of "sports entertainers" off a plane and be-head them right there on the tarmac. Just because Vince fucking McMahon pissed them off.lol
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I agree. The lives of the WWE personnel held back in Saudi Arabia were inconvenienced, but were never in jeopardy. However, when there is a lack of information and/or a lack of common sense, then people let their imaginations run away from them.

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I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be shitting yourselves too.

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srossi wrote: I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be crapping yourselves too.

100% agreed.  Some folks underestimate how much they don't care about other people's lives.  Some websites are reporting a discrepancy of more than $300 million in this situation.  People die all the time for a heck of a lot less money than that all over the place.  I'm sure Vince was less than respectful with that kind of money missing.



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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: I don’t think a terrorist regime not allowing you to leave their country for 24 hours is the best time to call someone a sheltered baby. These guys are capable of anything, even if it’s not the most likely to happen. You’d all be crapping yourselves too.

100% agreed.  Some folks underestimate how much they don't care about other people's lives.  Some websites are reporting a discrepancy of more than $300 million in this situation.  People die all the time for a heck of a lot less money than that all over the place.  I'm sure Vince was less than respectful with that kind of money missing.





It's not out with the realms of possibility that an unhappy Saudi government could cause a plane to mysteriously crash. Easy for us to say the chance is very small, but when you're sitting on the plane, you might not be so confident

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Brad Shepherd reports:

I spoke to a source in #WWE about Hugo Savinovich’s report on the WWE/Saudi Arabia travel incident. Hugo reported a dispute over money owed – allegedly in the range of $300-$500 million – led to Vince McMahon turning off the live TV feed to WWE Crown Jewel in Saudi Arabia, which led to them holding up the talent and crew.

A lot of his report confirmed my original report, such as Saudi Arabia owing WWE money. I was once again told the amount is in the ballpark of seven figures, not close to the $300-$500 that Hugo reported.

The entire upside of the 10-year-deal between WWE and Saudi Arabia is in the range of what Hugo alleged was owed, so that may have been a miscommunication – I’m not sure. I’m told Vince DID have the live feed turned off because of money owed…

So that piece from Hugo is correct. I was also told that every show they come up short on money owed by about a couple of million, and they provide the excuse of it being a “departmental issue” and they promise to send the money within a short time frame later – but never do.

So, there’s a belief within WWE that they are either getting screwed on the deal with Saudi Arabia or something else is going on – which I won’t speculate. I once again asked if women’s wrestling had anything to do with this and was once again told yes, partly.

Essentially, there are people in Saudi Arabia in leadership or influential positions who are resistant to change. This isn’t just about WWE and Saudi Arabia, it was an international incident involving US citizens and Saudi Arabia with potential geopolitical consequences.

Considering the carefully messaged responses, the hundreds of millions of dollars at stake for a publicly traded company, and potential geopolitical consequences (especially with the current Middle Eastern climate), don’t expect the complete truth anytime soon from either party.”

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Meltzer, taking like a 13-year old girl, had this to say:


“I’ve had people say they’re never going back. I’ve had people say they can’t wait to get out of the company. I don’t know if that’s going to be, you know, I don’t know in a few months if they’re going to change their minds if something’s going to happen at RAW when all of the RAW talent is there and there’s going to be a thing that someone says to management about what has happened.

I know that obviously they’re trying to get the talent to go on and say that it was a mechanical failure. You know, whatever. It’s like there’s so many things that happened, but they were definitely not paid as of September 30th.

I heard that from many different people [that Vince McMahon deserted them]. The feeling was that because there was those problems that happened, you know in whatever it was — the ‘d*ck waving contest’ was the term that was used.
I had heard from one person who used that exact terminology to me that ‘we were pawns in a d*ck waving contest,’ but the whole thing is that it happened and so Vince shouldn’t have left because there could have been reprisals and they believe that those were the reprisals and that Vince left and left them there and then when he sent whatever — when he sent to get guys out it was only the top guys that were booked on television, not anyone else.”

Curtis Axel tweeted the following:

Not the #Top20?I’m #1 at home! We don’t leave each other behind. @WWE

Luke Harper, already wanting out, tweeted:

Larry, I'm home. I guess I didn't want it enough to pay for my own charter, but I'm home now. #NotTop20

Top 20 refers to the 20 talents who got out of there on a private charter.

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I'm pretty sure that is transcript of what Meltzer said on his site in conversation with Alvarez, not something he wrote. It's a beautiful transcript. Some people are saying it's perfect.

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Kriss wrote: I'm pretty sure that is transcript of what Meltzer said on his site in conversation with Alvarez, not something he wrote. It's a beautiful transcript. Some people are saying it's perfect.
It's definitely a transcript.  I didn't mean to suggest that he wrote like that.  The spelling is too good. 

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carpetbeggar wrote: And fuck Rusev and the other wrestlers that were stuck there tweeting and messaging people to pray for them and that they were fearing for their lives. Fucking bunch of sheltered babies. Yes I'm sure the Saudi military was going to march a bunch of "sports entertainers" off a plane and be-head them right there on the tarmac. Just because Vince fucking McMahon pissed them off.lol
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This is the same regime that murdered  then chopped up and disposed of the body of a journalist with international renown. They also still crucify people as a means of execution. You really don't know what they're capable of; roll your eyes if you wish but if I were stuck in Saudi Arabia under similar circumstances then I'd be concerned over my well being.

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If the premise is correct that the WWE was upset over not getting paid and then got paid in a contentious situation with the Saudis that also involved the feed of the show being shown on what has been termed as a delay of less than an hour, but not off the air altogether, I don't see this as a hostage situation or some political crisis at all. I fully realize that agents of the Saudi government killed Jamal Khashoggi on foreign soil and that taking someone out on home ground, which has undoubtedly happened, would be even easier, but let's separate that situation from this one. Khashoggi was an internationally known and acclaimed journalist who was a Saudi citizen and dissident who was highly critical of his country's government and specifically of Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman. He was seen as an enemy of and threat to the state.

When dealing with a totalitarian government, politics can’t be complete divorced from any situation, but this seems to be a business dispute at its core. The WWE wanted the money owed to it to be paid as promised and the agency of the Saudi government with which the WWE dealt was, for whatever reason, reluctant to pay or at least slow to pay. It led to some sort of blowout and it seems that people on the Saudi side felt insulted by the WWE for turning up the heat to get paid and/or perhaps felt pressure from within their own government over the relationship and expenditure, or perhaps the timing of the expenditure.

So what happened with the plane? I think the biggest problem was the WWE personnel whose plane was delayed were unaware of the politics of this specific dispute and not provided any information as it unfolded, which made a bad situation even worse. In the absence of information, rumor and speculation fueled by a natural need to attribute the situation to something and often simply by fear then step up to fill the void. It caused people to assume things might be happening that actually were not and weren't even under consideration. Were the WWE personnel going to be held indefinitely in Saudi Arabia or even have their lives jeopardized or terminated? No, that was a highly unlikely outcome to the situation or a reason for what happened.

Looking at things, I believe the Saudis the WWE dealt with were angry and embarrassed over being pressured to pay up and having the feed delayed. In a need to get a receipt of sorts, they delayed the plane to mess with the live Smackdown shoot. Keeping the crew in Saudi Arabia long enough that the plane could not possibly make it to the States in time would put the WWE in its own scenario of embarrassment and organizational chaos. In the end, the WWE brought in the NXT crew and combined them with those who didn't go like Daniel Bryan and Miz to put on a decent show. All in all, WWE personnel got inconvenienced over a business dispute. I don't blame them for being upset, for not wanting to have gone in the first place, and not wanting to go back, but I see a lot of the hysteria that has gone on since the end of last week as overblown.

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During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     

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Karl Anderson had a tweet of his own over the weekend saying something like you couldn't pay him to go back, but then saying he wanted to install a new swimming pool, so yes you could. He definitely laughed the whole thing off.

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srossi wrote: During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     That is interesting.  The same exact thing happened to me on a flight from Calgary to Chicago in 2006.  It wasn't a refueling issue but some light was lit on the pilots board that should not have been.   We boarded at 11 am and at 6 pm were finally informed that the pilots were no longer allowed to fly.  They quickly got us through immigration again and provided vouchers for a hotel.  I was booked for a flight the next morning.  I called a client, went into town and got shit faced.   The flights home the next day (this one connected through Denver) were awful. 

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tamalie wrote: Karl Anderson had a tweet of his own over the weekend saying something like you couldn't pay him to go back, but then saying he wanted to install a new swimming pool, so yes you could. He definitely laughed the whole thing off.
His wife wasn't laughing when she said he was held hostage and told him not to go.

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I have no doubt that she was extremely upset, but I also have no doubt that the lack of information and communication sent her mind and emotions to scenarios that didn't necessarily match up with what actually happened.

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Ultimark wrote: srossi wrote: During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     That is interesting.  The same exact thing happened to me on a flight from Calgary to Chicago in 2006.  It wasn't a refueling issue but some light was lit on the pilots board that should not have been.   We boarded at 11 am and at 6 pm were finally informed that the pilots were no longer allowed to fly.  They quickly got us through immigration again and provided vouchers for a hotel.  I was booked for a flight the next morning.  I called a client, went into town and got shit faced.   The flights home the next day (this one connected through Denver) were awful. 

AJ Styles thinks the Earth is flat. I wouldn't look to him to find out what's what in any situation.

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Kriss wrote: Ultimark wrote: srossi wrote: During a live gaming stream, A.J. Styles weighed in with a completely different story than all the others told so far.  He said it wasn't a mechanical problem but it also wasn't a hostage situation.  He blamed it on bureaucracy and "paperwork issues", along with a refueling problem, and the fact that by the time all this was sorted out the pilots' shifts were over so they had to wait for new pilots.  He says he was never worried and never thought anything strange was going on.  This seems to be so convoluted with so much going wrong that he might be trying too hard, but it still completely contradicts WWE's official story, and the story that they made the aircraft company tell when they released a statement blaming the plane.     That is interesting.  The same exact thing happened to me on a flight from Calgary to Chicago in 2006.  It wasn't a refueling issue but some light was lit on the pilots board that should not have been.   We boarded at 11 am and at 6 pm were finally informed that the pilots were no longer allowed to fly.  They quickly got us through immigration again and provided vouchers for a hotel.  I was booked for a flight the next morning.  I called a client, went into town and got shit faced.   The flights home the next day (this one connected through Denver) were awful. 

AJ Styles thinks the Earth is flat. I wouldn't look to him to find out what's what in any situation.

I know he's a religious nut, but is this true?

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AJ Styles did a sit down chat with Daniel Bryan on WWE.com or WWE Network in early 2017 or so and Bryan ribbed him for being a flat earther. I'm pretty sure it was all a joke, but then AJ didn't fully deny it and I believe made some other wacky statements about NASA and so on. I haven't seen the segment. He was then mercilessly mocked over the next few days until claiming he wasn't a flat earth believer but "they have some interesting ideas" or something like that.

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Here are AJ’s thoughts on the matter, as per a 2017 interview with Sam Roberts.

“I am not a flat-earther, but there are some things that they say, [to which Styles responds] ‘huh, I never thought about it like that’. Here’s the thing, you don’t have to believe anything that’s told to you. Like you can always question anything.

“And although I’m not a flat-earther, there are some things that, like, make sense. But then again, satellites, the curvature of the Earth if you’re a sniper, you’ve got to take all that into account. I’m not a flat-earther, but they bring up some interesting points. It’s interesting and I think you should be able to question anything you want. And you don’t have to agree with everybody.

“I just find it interesting. I watch all the stuff about aliens. I’m a sci-fi guy. I just enjoy that stuff and conspiracy theories. That intrigues me, so there are just a number of things. I could have killed Daniel Bryan for saying that because now you get all this stuff. ‘God, shut up! Please don’t get that started because I’ll never hear the end of it.’ But it’s interesting. But I find a lot things interesting when it comes to science fiction or fact. I don’t know. Who can say? The only person that ever told me or told the world that other planets exist is NASA, but there’s a reason for all … they’re making a lot of money, a lot of money. They have a lot of money coming in. NASA is not an American thing. It’s a world thing. A lot of people don’t know that, so when you start asking questions, there are not a lot of answers sometimes.”

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Snipers? Did he weigh in on the Jesse Ventura v Chris Kyle “Situation” later on in the interview? 

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WWE® AND THE SAUDI GENERAL ENTERTAINMENT AUTHORITY EXPAND EVENT PARTNERSHIP

STAMFORD, CONN. and RIYADH, SAUDI ARABIA, November 4, 2019 – Following the historic Crown Jewel event in Riyadh, WWE (NYSE: WWE) and the Saudi General Entertainment Authority (GEA) have expanded their live event partnership through 2027 to include a second annual large-scale event. WWE and GEA also continue to work towards the completion of a media agreement in the MENA region.

This long-term partnership demonstrates WWE and GEA’s commitment to bring sports entertainment to the region and supports Saudi Arabia’s Vision 2030.

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PWInsider:

The WWE stock was down $2.80 (5%) today, based on stories floating around the internet about what may or may not have happened in Saudi Arabia. I would not be surprised in the least if WWE sent out the Saudi press release from earlier today as a way to calm the fears of nervous investors. The stock closed at $53.16.

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The announcement is so weird. Two shows a year until 2027 is the same deal they had two years ago. Nothing has changed. I guess they just had to prove that they weren't thinking about cancelling.

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So the nothing announcement yesterday was because the share price had started to drop. Vince had a meeting with the roster yesterday afternoon and basically blamed them for all of this. It was a mechanical issue, and their hysterical tweeting caused all the concern. At least Vince is nice enough to gaslight them to their faces. I've been there before. The boss tells you everything is fine, and anything else you have heard is not true, Nd here is the truth. Three weeks later and everyone is out of a job. I pity he fools who buy this, if there are any, inside the company. I also suspect that workers will be prohibited from using social media for anything other than promotional purposes soon.

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Kriss wrote: So the nothing announcement yesterday was because the share price had started to drop. Vince had a meeting with the roster yesterday afternoon and basically blamed them for all of this. It was a mechanical issue, and their hysterical tweeting caused all the concern. At least Vince is nice enough to gaslight them to their faces. I've been there before. The boss tells you everything is fine, and anything else you have heard is not true, Nd here is the truth. Three weeks later and everyone is out of a job. I pity he fools who buy this, if there are any, inside the company. I also suspect that workers will be prohibited from using social media for anything other than promotional purposes soon.
Maybe Vince shouldn't have left before the talent and maybe he should've kept them informed.  That's the least he could've done even if it was a mechanical issue, which we all know it wasn't.  Almost no one outside of Vince and the aircraft company are saying this was a mechanical issue, even those that are TRYING to downplay the incident and toe the company line.  Also, how does Vince blame the talent for tweeting when it was Hugo Savinovich that really started the shitstorm of rumors?  Maybe Vince should've just said, "Thank you and I'm sorry for your brutal travel week because I needed more blood money." 

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If I were one of the boys, I'd be most angry that WWE got Jimmy Hart out of there as quickly as they could, but I had to stay.

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Somebody gotta write the next Stand Back. Jimmy = Money.

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Kriss wrote: If I were one of the boys, I'd be most angry that WWE got Jimmy Hart out of there as quickly as they could, but I had to stay.
He just flew out with Lesnar, Hogan, and Flair.  The question is why they didn't try to fit more people on that plane, but we already know the answer.  They're assholes.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: If I were one of the boys, I'd be most angry that WWE got Jimmy Hart out of there as quickly as they could, but I had to stay.
He just flew out with Lesnar, Hogan, and Flair.  The question is why they didn't try to fit more people on that plane, but we already know the answer.  They're assholes.


Lesnar had his own plane. He had left Saudi before the Flair Hogan match even started. That's how he and Heymsn made it to SD.

They all arrived together because Hogan's plane had a burst tire when they stopped to refuel in Iceland and they all were able to hitch a lift with Lesnar.

On the way back, Hogan, Flair and Hart were part of the 20 who were flown back earlier than the others. Vince was also on that plane. They were still delayed enough that they didn't make it back in time for SD.

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Im pretty sure that somewhere, some fucktard is blaming Trump.

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On the WWE-backed podcast that Corey Graves hosts, he refused to "confirm or deny" any of the rumors about why they were held in Saudi Arabia.  He would only say "I lived through it firsthand.  You didn't.  I'm not towing the company line but I'm also not in the business of rumor-mongering."   

Um, OK.  So clearly it was NOT mechanical problems otherwise he would've just said so.  Every single wrestler who has tried to defend WWE's position has done so with the unspoken caveat that things didn't really go down like reported. which just creates more speculation.

Graves went on to put over the event and the way they were treated while detained, and denied that #TheSaudi20 were the "most important" or given preferential treatment but they were simply the ones advertised for Smackdown who most needed to get out of there.  He joked that if it was about the people with the most clout, that he wouldn't have been on the plane, but Vince wanted him to call the show.  Obviously that still didn't work out.  He blasted talent who took to Twitter to cry about being left behind, so yeah, then he went into full "towing the company line" mode.  Of course, by his own admission, Graves wasn't there so he doesn't have "firsthand" knowledge of what happened after he departed.

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