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I would like to pick some of you hillbilly retards brains if I may. I'm looking to start collecting baseball cards again. Not just any. I'll only be looking for Topps cards and only New York Mets cards from 1962 until the present. I'll only be looking for cards rated PSA 7 or higher. Now I know the bottom REALLY fell out of the sports card market years ago. I'll be doing this mostly for fun. Quite frankly, it sounds like I would probably be dead before I would be able to complete it due to disposable income at any one time and such. Is this something that is worth the time, effort, and expense? Or are these things literally not worth the paper they're printed on. It can get somewhat pricey. For example, I'm researching 1962 cards now. A PSA 7 Richie Ashburn can be had for $75. Seventy five bucks can buy a lot of oxycontin or a tranny hooker between the age of 35-40. Is anyone on here still in the card game and if so tell me all your dirty little secrets.

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The card market is completely dead and collecting newer ones is no fun because of howmass-produced they are. You should put all your money into a few hard-to-find cards instead of overpaying for a lot of crap.

I had complete sets of Topps from 1984-1994 or so (I can’t even remember anymore) and complete sets of Score from the first 4 years that they made cards. I sold almost all of them for peanuts shortly after I moved to save space. I was never going to look at them again and they were never going to go up in value.

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Well that's the thing, if I was looking into it as a half assed investment I would go for those few quality cards that you suggest. However, this would be more of a fun project seeing if I could get every card from every Met over the course of their history. Yes, I know it will stop dead at the 1966 Seaver and the 1967 Ryan but I can dream.

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WongLee wrote: I would like to pick some of you hillbilly retards brains if I may. I'm looking to start collecting baseball cards again. Not just any. I'll only be looking for Topps cards and only New York Mets cards from 1962 until the present. I'll only be looking for cards rated PSA 7 or higher. Now I know the bottom REALLY fell out of the sports card market years ago. I'll be doing this mostly for fun. Quite frankly, it sounds like I would probably be dead before I would be able to complete it due to disposable income at any one time and such. Is this something that is worth the time, effort, and expense? Or are these things literally not worth the paper they're printed on. It can get somewhat pricey. For example, I'm researching 1962 cards now. A PSA 7 Richie Ashburn can be had for $75. Seventy five bucks can buy a lot of oxycontin or a tranny hooker between the age of 35-40. Is anyone on here still in the card game and if so tell me all your dirty little secrets.

Well at least your post got the attention of Rossi the head hillbilly retard right off.

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WongLee wrote: Well that's the thing, if I was looking into it as a half assed investment I would go for those few quality cards that you suggest. However, this would be more of a fun project seeing if I could get every card from every Met over the course of their history. Yes, I know it will stop dead at the 1966 Seaver and the 1967 Ryan but I can dream.
Maybe instead of worrying about graded cards if the goal is to get one card of each and every Met,  Get commons of as many p,Ayers as you can and for the more expensive cards like those you mentioned if you need those cards specifically hit Rossi up for a loan. He's loaded.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: WongLee wrote: I would like to pick some of you hillbilly retards brains if I may. I'm looking to start collecting baseball cards again. Not just any. I'll only be looking for Topps cards and only New York Mets cards from 1962 until the present. I'll only be looking for cards rated PSA 7 or higher. Now I know the bottom REALLY fell out of the sports card market years ago. I'll be doing this mostly for fun. Quite frankly, it sounds like I would probably be dead before I would be able to complete it due to disposable income at any one time and such. Is this something that is worth the time, effort, and expense? Or are these things literally not worth the paper they're printed on. It can get somewhat pricey. For example, I'm researching 1962 cards now. A PSA 7 Richie Ashburn can be had for $75. Seventy five bucks can buy a lot of oxycontin or a tranny hooker between the age of 35-40. Is anyone on here still in the card game and if so tell me all your dirty little secrets.

Well at least your post got the attention of Rossi the head hillbilly retard right off.
Well yes...there is that.

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I still collect cards, but just boxing cards. It's much easier when there's less than 20 sets in total ever to collect. I pick up a few each year, mostly Topps cards from the 1951 set to try and complete it. Like you I"m not looking at it as an investment.

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WongLee wrote: Well that's the thing, if I was looking into it as a half assed investment I would go for those few quality cards that you suggest. However, this would be more of a fun project seeing if I could get every card from every Met over the course of their history. Yes, I know it will stop dead at the 1966 Seaver and the 1967 Ryan but I can dream.I think the Seaver rookie card is actually 67 where he was sharing the card with some homo that never amounted to anything.
PSA 7 value is maybe around $1000 but you'll pay more of course.
rossi is right of course cards overall have very little value because they are so mass produced.
I actually haven't looked at anything I have in a coon's age but the first year I started collecting baseball, hockey and CFL cards would have been 68 up to about 77 when I discovered girls had gits and a cunt.
Briefly got back into it in the mid to late 80's but wasn't buying much of anything really. Bought the Conlon sets because I knew I'd never get actual cards of those players and thrn did mostly specialty cards like goaltenders, QB's and Montreal Expos.
Sold some off years ago which paid for a few things and have full sets of Topps and OpeeChee hockey from the years mentioned but not yet ready to get rid of everything.
Same with my comics. Haven't bought anything in quite a few years and stopped doing a weekly run to look for issues to fill holes when I moved out into the country.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: I still collect cards, but just boxing cards. It's much easier when there's less than 20 sets in total ever to collect. I pick up a few each year, mostly Topps cards from the 1951 set to try and complete it. Like you I"m not looking at it as an investment.
It never really was an investment for me either but I likely bought more cards as a kid than I ever would have if mother didn't disapprove so strenuously. That made collecting more fun since my grandmother told her to piss off since I was spending my own money that I had earned and cards were relatively cheap back then.Had a friend who collected as well back then but he did stupid things like cards between the spokes of your bike ( I never did that) and as far as the Seaver rookie card with the other homo o  it he'd cut those cards in half so each player had "their own card" .
I ended up with most of his cards as I'd tell him his cards were obsolete whrn the next year came out, lol.
Kinda sad I didn't keep all the hot wheels I had growing up. An uncle was getting me one a month back then for awhile. Those ended up being given to a friends kid.

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You're right AA, I was off by a year on Seaver and Ryan being '67 and '68 respectively. I know that I could save quite a bit not worrying about grading and just picking up the commons. However, it's just a thing in me that whatever I get into I like to get the higher end ones. The shiny balloon holds my attention longer.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: That's hella cool. Who puts these out and what year? I don't think I've ever heard of boxing cards.

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WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: That's hella cool. Who puts these out and what year? I don't think I've ever heard of boxing cards.


That's the Topps set from 1951....It's the most sought after set because of the design.  Back in the 1920's and 30 they were called Cigarette cards, because they would place them in Cigarette packs. One of the sets I have is the Churchman  



Other Cigarette cards from back then were Ogden, Mecca and Hassan










The most valuable card I have is the Rocky Graziano from the 1948 Leaf Set..The set itself isn't as visibly impressive as the others. But Graziano never gave permission for his image to be printed on the cards, and they had to do a recall of the sets, so there is a very limited known supply of these cards in existence...last I heard only about 20 known 





There were some lower end sets in the 80's and 1990's...>Browns boxing cards, Kayo, and All World...but they were mass produced...

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All World Set

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WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: That's hella cool. Who puts these out and what year? I don't think I've ever heard of boxing cards.

Pretty sure it's Topps Ringside I think they called them. 1951.
Damn cool card would have been something to get into those.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: WongLee wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: That's hella cool. Who puts these out and what year? I don't think I've ever heard of boxing cards.

Pretty sure it's Topps Ringside I think they called them. 1951.
Damn cool card would have been something to get into those.

LoL,  Radditch beat me to it.  Some really great stuff there.

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Ok so correct me if I'm wrong. You're sitting on some TRUE collectables with those amirite?

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Some are worth a fair bit. The Graziano anywhere from 15to 20k. Most of my cards are $20 to $100. My Joe Louis is @ $750 to 1k. I posted a few pics on  my FB page

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The PSA thing will make it tough. You can find normal "team sets" of any team, but a "PSA Team Set" may be a rare listing.

Stuff from (roughly) 1983-2003 is basically worthless. As in, it will probably not increase in value in your lifetime.

Topps took over as the sole producer of officially licensed MLB cards, circa 2007. One or two other companies try to make cards, but they don't have the MLB license, and all logos and team names are Photoshopped out. I think it's Panini, who does this with their crappy "Donruss" line.

For modern cards, go with plain Topps-- their standard set. You can skip "Topps Heritage", "Bowman" and their other "premium" lines.

The only "premium" Topps cards I'd recommend would be "Topps NOW". They sell these on their website, daily, and they're only available for (about) 24 hours. They release about 3-5 a day, highlighting when somebody does something cool. As a fan, they're fun to get. They're printed to order, so a production run for a Pirates card may be about 400, but production for a Yankees card would be about 5,000. Topps NOW PSA cards are available on the after-market.

What's kept the market afloat --and dealers still buying tons of boxes--- are relic cards (part of a jersey or bat) and autographed cards. Buy a whole box of cards and you might get 2 or 3 of these. They're usually stamped with an official MLB hologram. They're cool n' all... but it's probably easier to buy them afterwards.

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Great post Erick. As I stated, I think I'm just going to do the Mets and only the Mets. It's probably a little better on my sanity and pocketbook that way.

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Your biggest challenges outside of Seaver and Ryan in PSA 7 will be anything from 1962, 1963, 1968, and 1971. 62 and 68 have wood grain borders, 63 has a bright color bottom border, and 1971 is all black border. Forgetting how poorly centered the cards could be straight from the pack, anytime you have cards with a non-white border you end up with LOTS of chipping. The only real exception to this rule is 1975, where the full color borders just seemed to stay put. The good thing is that you chose PSA 7, which is Near Mint. The difference in price from 7 to 8 can be insane, and honestly a lot of the common cards from the ‘60s graded 7 can be had for under $10. Some years, the high number cards can be a real cunt to find in any condition. An example you’ll need to know is 1966 Choo Choo Coleman. Where you can find a 1966 PSA 7 Ed Kranepool for between $10-$15, you’ll be looking at a good $175+ for Coleman.

Also, don’t listen to anybody that’s says the card market is dead and the bottom dropped out, etc. Basically if it’s 1972 or older, it’s still an easy sell and if you put money into it you won’t lose what you put in. From 1973 until now, I can’t honestly say that. But with all of that said, I’m 48 and you are a little older - and we are the last generation that gives a fuck about sports cards. I’ve seen the reports on TV and in print, but it resonated with me by looking at my kids. They are now 20 and 18, and neither gave a shit about sports cards even when they were young...they collected because I did. And while I never knew ALL of their friends, I met at least 20 friends between the two of them, and none collected cards at all. So if you are doing this to enjoy them, that’s cool. In your lifetime, as I said, you should be able to sell anything from 1962-1972 and not lose money. But my belief is that in 25 years it’ll be all over as far as cards go. Just look at how shitty it got in the last 25 years.

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Collect em as raw ungraded cards, I bet if you check the psa population report odds are not good too many pat zacharys even got graded, so nstead of dropping 25 cents your dropping 25 bucks

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I recently got back into cards about a month ago. I found several boxes of cards in my parents house from the mid 90s which are pretty much worthless. However, I found a cool site where I can trade them and have been having fun with that. I have successfully traded some of that mid 90s stuff for late 70s and mid 80s cards that I wanted.

Example - I traded a run of 10 or so 1995 Ultra baseball commons for 3 1985 Topps Bill Bates RCs. I know they are practically worthless in the trading market, but he was one of my favorite players growing up.

It is not an investment for me, just have fun looking at the old cards and sharing them with my pops.

https://www.tradingcarddb.com

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brodiescomics wrote: I recently got back into cards about a month ago. I found several boxes of cards in my parents house from the mid 90s which are pretty much worthless. However, I found a cool site where I can trade them and have been having fun with that. I have successfully traded some of that mid 90s stuff for late 70s and mid 80s cards that I wanted.

Example - I traded a run of 10 or so 1995 Ultra baseball commons for 3 1985 Topps Bill Bates RCs. I know they are practically worthless in the trading market, but he was one of my favorite players growing up.

It is not an investment for me, just have fun looking at the old cards and sharing them with my pops.

https://www.tradingcarddb.com


I moved not long ago and took a minute to look at some of my cards that I purchased during my youth. I think I cornered the market on Tom Rathman, Brian Bosworth, Gary Plumber and Ronnie Lott cards. 

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The 1971 Topps are my all time favorites. As Superstar mentioned, they could be a challenge to collect due to the black background. It's the same background that makes the card so unique and pleasing to the eye.

Thanks for all the great posts and advice guys. It's the Beej Board that will truly MAGA.

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For modern cards, I really liked the 2004, 2007 and 2016 basic Topps designs. The 2015 design is fun. Reminds me of the 1976 and 1972 designs with its rainbow colors.

2007 is a simplistic design (reminiscent of 1971), but it's the year that brought me back in to card collecting and Topps. There was a deliberate "error" card with George W. Bush on a Derek Jeter card that was hot for awhile. I made my own custom set of Wedding Party cards based off the 2007 design. Got 'em printed professionally, even.

For PSA and their comic book counterparts of CGC... in some cases I feel like it's the equivalent of stapling $20, $50 or $100 bills to the item. You pay a certain amount to get it certified and...voila... your item has increased in value by that same amount! The grading and certification makes sense for key cards or issues, but it doesn't really work for random "collection filler" stuff.

I have 9-car binders, in chronological order, of each MLB and NFL team from 1952 to current. Usually about 2-3 teams in each binder. They're FAR from complete, but it's a way to bring order to all the random cards I have. Have a lump of stuff from the mid-50's (my dad), the mid-70's (big bro), then me (1989 to current).

I've always focused on filling in my Pirates and Broncos cards. The end result is a fun "scrapbook" of my team, over the years. I have my Roberto Clementes and John Elways right in-line next to my Jose Pagans and Orson Mobleys, respectively.

(Football cards are another animal...I completely stopped those around 2014, when I bought a random pack and the traditional stats had been replaced with Fantasy Football Ratings. Topps also lost the NFL license)


Bottom line is I'd only recommend getting into baseball cards if you go in as a fan. It can be fulfilling. If you go into as an "investor" or with the intent of making money somehow, you'll be frustrated.

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Like Superstar said, I am concerned about us being the last generation that gives a poo about sports cards.

However...every Halloween for the last 5 years, I've been giving away home-packed packages of sports cards. It's a way to get rid of all the "common" 90's cards I have, but I make each pack has at least ONE card I'd like to get. Usually an late career Hall of Famer card, like a 1991 Andre Dawson.

Our street is Halloween central for our Large Metropolitan District(kids are buss'ed in) and we get anywhere from 800-1,000 rugrats per year. Every year, the kids have been ecstatic to get my packs ("Mom! I got baseball cards!"). Or they're at least curious. Even the girls.

Bonus: this is the best way to "make money" with the worthless crap. Putting together 800 packs of cards saves us about $100 each year in candy. Sets me back about $8, cuz I buy cheap sandwich bags from Dollar Tree to wrap 'em up.

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WongLee wrote: The 1971 Topps are my all time favorites. As Superstar mentioned, they could be a challenge to collect due to the black background. It's the same background that makes the card so unique and pleasing to the eye.

Thanks for all the great posts and advice guys. It's the Beej Board that will truly MAGA.
I didn't mind the 1970 cards with the gray border but 71 like others are probably my favorite.
Then you get 1972 where some drunken clown college fagit must have come up with the design. I collected them of course because I was heavy into the madness then but I've never been crazy about that set.

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Erick Von Erich wrote:
Bottom line is I'd only recommend getting into baseball cards if you go in as a fan. It can be fulfilling. If you go into as an "investor" or with the intent of making money somehow, you'll be frustrated.
Yep. This is exactly what I would be doing. I'm only interested in the Mets. When I started my basic research I found websites dedicated to only Mets baseball cards. As I stated in my first post, I probably wouldn't live long enough to complete the task unless I have a great aunt who's going to leave me a million dollars that I don't know about. Either way it will be fun to try.

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I think PSA ratings and graded cards took all the fun out of it for me. I sold most of mine off but still have a near complete Oriole card collection from 1954-87 and the 1976 Topps set which was the first year I collected.

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Baseball card collecting is actually making a resurgence, believe it or not. I collected as a kid and stopped in the early 90s. 1987-1994 is known as the “junk wax” era. I received the Topps, Upper Deck, Fleer and Donruss factory sets for Christmas in 90, 91 and 92. They’re virtually worthless now.

I got back into collecting around the time I discovered eBay. Topps does a “throwback” set every year with current players using the Topps design from 50 years ago, so I try to collect that every year. It’s called Heritage. The quality of the cards is really nice now too. Very rarely are the cards off center, misfit, blurry, and of course there are no gum stains.

As for value, there are tons of parallels and variations to chase with the current cards. You really need to educate yourself on what the hell is out there. There is Topps, Topps Chrome, Topps Update, Chrome Update, Heritage, etc. The Mike Trout Rookie card from 2011 Topps Update is several thousand dollars. Some of the variation cards for Juan Soto and Ron Acuna from their 2018 Rookie years are insanely expensive.

Have fun with it. To me, collecting is kind of a pleasurable, passive hobby. I collect old White Sox and Bears cards and sometimes pick them up on eBay for a buck or two, and sellers send them in plain white envelopes. When I open mail in the evening, sometimes I’ll have three or four envelopes stacked up from the week and won’t remember what I purchased, so it’s a fun surprise. I probably spend more time reading about it and just surfing card sites than anything else. It keeps me out of trouble, so it’s all good.

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One quick thing on PSA. There is a huge ass scandal currently. They’ve been accused basically of turning a blind eye to cards that have been tampered with and still grading them high. I guess there are sophisticated ways now to laser cut/trim or doctor old cards to make them look more minty. Some of the auction houses are in bed with dishonest sellers and PSA is linked too. It’s messy. Sometimes it’s better to chase raw cards with nice eye appeal for a cheaper price and not worry about having them graded.

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Heritage next year will be the 1971 Topps design with black borders, which is just an awesome design. Should be a fun one to watch.

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Great posts Blazer. So it seems like it may not be the best idea to live and die by the PSA grading. That will obviously save me a ton of money and as I said, I'm just looking to do it for a spot of fun.

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If you're just doing it for fun (which I do) and aren't "investing", just look for nicely centered cards without the grading. I was working on a 1960s Topps set for awhile and just went for "eye appeal". Don't worry about the PSA slab. You can do penny sleeve and a top loader to protect the cards.

Have a blast with it. It's relaxing and a nice hobby.

I kinda like the older cards to connect with my childhood, but its fun to chase the new cards too because you keep up with the current game. The Ronald Acuna Jr/Juan Soto chase for their 2018 Update cards is insane.

The hot new cards are Vlad Jr and Tatis.

Let me or Erick know if you have any questions along the way. Happy to help you out or give you opinions on certain cards if you're looking at buying.

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Speaking of recent cards, as I mentioned, I will just be doing New York Mets cards. The rookie Seaver and Ryan will be the costliest no matter what the condition. However, I'm wondering if the Pete Alonso will creep way up there. Or does he have to prove that 2019 wasn't a fluke and follow it up with a similar sophomore effort?

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WongLee wrote: Speaking of recent cards, as I mentioned, I will just be doing New York Mets cards. The rookie Seaver and Ryan will be the costliest no matter what the condition. However, I'm wondering if the Pete Alonso will creep way up there. Or does he have to prove that 2019 wasn't a fluke and follow it up with a similar sophomore effort?In the 1980's I sold a Ryan Rookie for 800 bucks. It had a crease in it but buyer did not care.

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In Canada the Hockey card biz is doing good and Tim Horton s and Canadian Tire have very popular series. Upper Deck has the only Licence for Hockey Cards.
Topps has a Hockey Sticker set this year.

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Surprised we haven't mentioned the "documentary" that's out on several streaming services, now-- "Jack of All Trades". It's about a former child voice-actor who is excited to sell all of his "vintage" crap from 1987 to 1990.

I say "documentary", because some parts seem staged and it becomes about a man-child's reunion with his worthless dad. The main man-child guy is extremely whiny and unlikable.

There is a somewhat eye-opening segment about the 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey, Jr. card. Supposedly, PSA has graded more cards than Upper Deck's official print run. It's believed that Upper Deck produced entire sheets of just the Griffey card.

If you were into cards during the 87-94 boom period, then you'll probably get some enjoyment out of watching it.

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If you decide not the go the PSA route, Here are a few sites that may be able to help you out:

comc.com - make sure to make offers on any card you are interested in, if its reasonable, you can save some money. You can also make several purchases and combine them into one shipment for $4.00 no matter how many cards you want

sportslots.com - shipping is more expensive unless you purchase multiple cards from the same seller, but you can get common cards for $0.18 each

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tdoran70 wrote: If you decide not the go the PSA route, Here are a few sites that may be able to help you out:

comc.com - make sure to make offers on any card you are interested in, if its reasonable, you can save some money. You can also make several purchases and combine them into one shipment for $4.00 no matter how many cards you want

sportslots.com - shipping is more expensive unless you purchase multiple cards from the same seller, but you can get common cards for $0.18 each
That's awesome. Thanks for the tips. I've been combing e-bay and the PSA cards are all quite pricey. I've just looked at the Mets 1962 and 1963 season so far. I will definitely check out your recommendations.

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Stick to pre 1980 cards only.  The rest are completely a waste of time.  
Also, if you are looking to do this to make money at some point, then PSA is pretty much a requirement.  It is a pain in the ass and not cheap but it is hard to sell cards without their rating.  Again, pre-1980 only.  

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Ultimark wrote: Stick to pre 1980 cards only.  The rest are completely a waste of time.  
Also, if you are looking to do this to make money at some point, then PSA is pretty much a requirement.  It is a pain in the ass and not cheap but it is hard to sell cards without their rating.  Again, pre-1980 only. 
If I was in it to make money from everything I've read, it's definitely pre-1980 or bust. However, I'm just looking to collect a complete Mets set from 1962 to present.



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