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WWE has tons of disgruntled talent. ROH is having their worst year in a decade. According to the Ovserver, the two sides are looking at a mutually beneficial arrangement that would begin with WWE loaning Oney Lorcan and Mike Kannelis, who have both demanded releases, to ROH while still remaining under WWE contract. This would placate the talent and prevent them from going to AEW, while also aiding ROH’s incredibly stale product at no expense to them. If the two sides can reach an agreement on this, it could open the door to more dealings in the future.

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This should be interesting.  WWE simply has too many people.  They already have too many hours of programming and they still can't get everyone on in a meaningful way.

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This will somehow end up with ROH owing WWE something, and WWE will end up with rights to their tape library in some way/shape/form. Whether it be for the Network or for the biographical shows they make, you’ll get to see Bryan Danielson vs Samoa Joe, etc. in the same section as you see their WWE matches. Make no mistake about it, WWE will be the ones that profit from this long run.

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Superstar wrote: This will somehow end up with ROH owing WWE something, and WWE will end up with rights to their tape library in some way/shape/form. Whether it be for the Network or for the biographical shows they make, you’ll get to see Bryan Danielson vs Samoa Joe, etc. in the same section as you see their WWE matches. Make no mistake about it, WWE will be the ones that profit from this long run.

ROH has more to gain upfront because their roster is stale right now, and going to be losing some pieces such as Marty Scurll and eventually Flip Gordon. This can give them a shot in the arm, and gives guys under WWE contracts a place to be seen on a higher place on the card than they presently have. 

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Superstar wrote: This will somehow end up with WWE owing ROH.
Fixed.

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Can somebody explain why are they so afraid of AEW, after watching AEW for three months i don't see them taking over WWE with the combined roster of people who want to leave WWE and the roster AEW has now.

Less wrestlers can help WWE out by trimming the fat off their roster.

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For ROH I think it's almost a no-brainer that you make any deal even semi-reasonable.  The bottom line is they have an incredibly stale product, huge HR/PR issues, a broken relationship with NJPW meaning that top outside talent is rarely/never coming back, and little chance of signing much of the top indy talent anymore when just 3 years ago they were pretty much the only game in town for top indy talent.  They are pretty fucked.  It's hard to believe that MSG show was just 8 months ago.  The thought of them running a big venue now is laughable. 

They don't have much to offer WWE except the library, so that's the only play here.  Vince is going to frame this as him doing them a favor, even though this certainly helps him too in keeping so many disgruntled talents happy.  He could even send Luke Harper and Cedric Alexander back there.  The possibilities are endless to cycle guys between what is essentially another brand to get talent happy and working in top spots while not having to deal with any of the logistical stuff of actually running the shows.  So yeah, WWE needs this too, but clearly not as much as ROH needs WWE.   

Of course, WWE could avoid all of these headaches completely if they just let talent go that wanted to go and let the market speak.  Some would wind up back in ROH anyway, and ROH would have to pay their salaries.  Sure a few would go to AEW, but AEW can't support a much larger roster and what difference would most of those guys make in the ratings anyway?  It's funny how Vince sees absolutely nothing in someone like Harper but is terrified that AEW will give him a big push.  If you think he sucks, let them!

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martini wrote: Superstar wrote: This will somehow end up with WWE owing ROH.
Fixed.

Owing or did you mean owning?

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krazykid18 wrote: Can somebody explain why are they so afraid of AEW, after watching AEW for three months i don't see them taking over WWE with the combined roster of people who want to leave WWE and the roster AEW has now.

Less wrestlers can help WWE out by trimming the fat off their roster.

I agree.  I don't think WWE is afraid per se, but I think Vince likes to get into combat mode and wants to starve them out by making sure they don't get any of his talent.  I agree with you though that WWE cutting guys would be addition by subtraction and would help his own company.  Vince needs to worry more about WWE and less about AEW.   

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Would ROH's masters at Sinclair be happy about this?

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I just heard that PCO's contract with ROH ended on December 1rst. Has anyone here heard any scuttlebutt on if he re-signed, is a free agent, or anything about his future plans?


I would imagine this will be his last chance to make some big money before he retires. The way things are now and the way he reinvented himself the last few years, I would say that he will make the most money he ever has in a year in 2020. This is the perfect time for a fairly well known wrestler's contract to end.

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PCO is in the main event of Final Battle for the title. If he re-signs, I imagine he’s a lock to win the title. He’s ROH’s hottest act, which is ironic since he’s the most un-ROH guy ever. I just don’t know where else he would go. He’s not really a candidate for WWE/NXT and I can’t see him in AEW either.

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srossi wrote: PCO is in the main event of Final Battle for the title. If he re-signs, I imagine he’s a lock to win the title. He’s ROH’s hottest act, which is ironic since he’s the most un-ROH guy ever. I just don’t know where else he would go. He’s not really a candidate for WWE/NXT and I can’t see him in AEW either.Didn’t he also burn a few decent indies immediately after he signed with ROH?  I remember him saying he wasn’t going to risk a “real” payday by getting hurt on an Indy show.

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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: PCO is in the main event of Final Battle for the title. If he re-signs, I imagine he’s a lock to win the title. He’s ROH’s hottest act, which is ironic since he’s the most un-ROH guy ever. I just don’t know where else he would go. He’s not really a candidate for WWE/NXT and I can’t see him in AEW either.Didn’t he also burn a few decent indies immediately after he signed with ROH?  I remember him saying he wasn’t going to risk a “real” payday by getting hurt on an Indy show.
Yes, he definitely did that. 

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carpetbeggar wrote: I would imagine this will be his last chance to make some big money before he retires. The way things are now and the way he reinvented himself the last few years, I would say that he will make the most money he ever has in a year in 2020. This is the perfect time for a fairly well known wrestler's contract to end.It’s possible, but I would imagine that when he came to the WWF in his first go round that he made a good deal of money as a tag champ with Jacques Rougeau.  But with that said, he got in after all of the “Hogan money” was gone...so maybe he didn’t make much at all.  He also did an almost two year run in WCW when Bischoff was paying people to not work for the WWF, he then returned to the WWF in the late ‘90s after the “Stone Cold” money started to flow freely.  So even though now he’s in his 50s, you may be right about a big money run - and I think it could be in AEW.  They don’t mind pushing older talent, and it would give Jericho a fresh feud.  And Jericho would probably care about it too.

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Superstar wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: I would imagine this will be his last chance to make some big money before he retires. The way things are now and the way he reinvented himself the last few years, I would say that he will make the most money he ever has in a year in 2020. This is the perfect time for a fairly well known wrestler's contract to end.It’s possible, but I would imagine that when he came to the WWF in his first go round that he made a good deal of money as a tag champ with Jacques Rougeau.  But with that said, he got in after all of the “Hogan money” was gone...so maybe he didn’t make much at all.  He also did an almost two year run in WCW when Bischoff was paying people to not work for the WWF, he then returned to the WWF in the late ‘90s after the “Stone Cold” money started to flow freely.  So even though now he’s in his 50s, you may be right about a big money run - and I think it could be in AEW.  They don’t mind pushing older talent, and it would give Jericho a fresh feud.  And Jericho would probably care about it too.
I forgot about that WCW run.

I would say his options are ROH, AEW or the indies. I think he could make a ton of money on the indies in North America, Europe, Japan, India, etc. If he is the hottest thing in ROH right now as rossi said, and Sinclair are serious about keeping ROH going, then I could see a big money offer given to him to stay. AEW would be worth looking at also if they want him. I am sure it would be a good offer money wise, plus he would work way less dates with them and at his age, it may not be bad thing to go with them. I could see Tony Khan really going all out in PCO's first appearance on TNT with major theatrics and props used in his entrance. 



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