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Headlining the Class of 2020 will be the NWO (Hogan, Nash, Hall, Syxx) and Batista. 



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Odd choices to say the least. Not "bad", just odd. Batista has had such a back and forth relationship with them, but I would bet that his last run where he fought HHH probably included this in the deal. As a main eventer for eight years, he deserves it no matter what many people will say. The NWO is really odd, as their run in WWE was pretty much the drizzling shits. And a lot of people think that they were the sole reason that WCW went out of business. But when I think of the NWO, it's not as a positive for the business, it's as a negative. They were take, take, take, and very little give. While the majority of what we saw on TV was scripted that way, some of it wasn't, and the backstage political bullshit hurt the business to a point that we as fans have only started to recover from in the past four years.



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Seems a bit early to be announcing these already. They’re not even close to the Rumble yet.



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Sean Waltman shouldn't be in there once, but somehow he's made it in twice. It pays to have friends in high places.



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Superstar wrote: Odd choices to say the least. Not "bad", just odd. Batista has had such a back and forth relationship with them, but I would bet that his last run where he fought HHH probably included this in the deal. As a main eventer for eight years, he deserves it no matter what many people will say. The NWO is really odd, as their run in WWE was pretty much the drizzling shits. And a lot of people think that they were the sole reason that WCW went out of business. But when I think of the NWO, it's not as a positive for the business, it's as a negative. They were take, take, take, and very little give. While the majority of what we saw on TV was scripted that way, some of it wasn't, and the backstage political bullshit hurt the business to a point that we as fans have only started to recover from in the past four years.

"The NWO is really odd, as their run in WWE was pretty much the drizzling shits."



-This clearly isn’t limited to WWE runs, otherwise the 4-Horsemen, Goldberg, DDP, Verne Gagne, etc. wouldn’t be in there.



 "And a lot of people think that they were the sole reason that WCW went out of business."

 
-I think they are the sole reason WCW’s popularity got as high as it did.  When they came in business took off for WCW.



"But when I think of the NWO, it's not as a positive for the business, it's as a negative. They were take, take, take, and very little give."



-Who would Goldberg be without the nWo?  How about DDP?  Big Poppa Pump?  Buff Bagwell?



"the backstage political bull hurt the business to a point that we as fans have only started to recover from in the past four years."


-I guess I don’t understand this comment at all.  WWE’s ratings are much lower now than they were 5 years ago.





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Got to love the NWO - I guess members 4 (Giant) and 5 (was it DiBiase?) didn’t make the mark. Had to go with Syxx.

Fun trivia

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Vincent has to come pretty close after Syxx. But after that, it was a quick dropoff. Bischoff? Then who? Rotundo and Norton?



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nWo Sting? Elizabeth? They were there early on.



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Boz1515 wrote: Superstar wrote: Odd choices to say the least. Not "bad", just odd. Batista has had such a back and forth relationship with them, but I would bet that his last run where he fought HHH probably included this in the deal. As a main eventer for eight years, he deserves it no matter what many people will say. The NWO is really odd, as their run in WWE was pretty much the drizzling shits. And a lot of people think that they were the sole reason that WCW went out of business. But when I think of the NWO, it's not as a positive for the business, it's as a negative. They were take, take, take, and very little give. While the majority of what we saw on TV was scripted that way, some of it wasn't, and the backstage political bullshit hurt the business to a point that we as fans have only started to recover from in the past four years.

"The NWO is really odd, as their run in WWE was pretty much the drizzling shits."



-This clearly isn’t limited to WWE runs, otherwise the 4-Horsemen, Goldberg, DDP, Verne Gagne, etc. wouldn’t be in there.



 "And a lot of people think that they were the sole reason that WCW went out of business."

 
-I think they are the sole reason WCW’s popularity got as high as it did.  When they came in business took off for WCW.



"But when I think of the NWO, it's not as a positive for the business, it's as a negative. They were take, take, take, and very little give."



-Who would Goldberg be without the nWo?  How about DDP?  Big Poppa Pump?  Buff Bagwell?



"the backstage political bull hurt the business to a point that we as fans have only started to recover from in the past four years."


-I guess I don’t understand this comment at all.  WWE’s ratings are much lower now than they were 5 years ago.





First - I fully understand that it's not just about your WWE run.  I get that.  But the whole NWO name is looked at a lot more for the negativity than the positivity.  You are correct in saying that business took off in WCW when the NWO came to be.  I know about all of the weeks that WCW won the "ratings war".  But once they lost the ratings war, they were out of business in two years.  I personally don't blame the NWO for that, but when you pile bullshit on top of bullshit, and you are dealing with multi billion dollar corporate entities that look at the bottom line as a fluid number, everybody in the NWO was just as accountable as Bischoff and Russo because of how/when/why they exercised their Creative Control clauses.  Goldberg would be just fine without the NWO because he would've been programmed with Hogan, Savage, Hall, and Nash anyway.  Without the NWO, he doesn't get beaten with a cattle prod - he gets beaten properly to end the streak.  And lets get real here, neither Bagwell nor Steiner did much of anything after WCW ended, other than take paychecks from any organization that would pay them.  Finally...when you say that you don't understand my comment about fans just now starting to recover, then you bring up WWE's ratings as the argument, you just are telling me that you don't see how things work in 2019.  Ratings aren't even the same as a year ago, and it is due to a number of factors - the most telling factor is how many households have dropped cable TV.  Take a look at the bloodletting ESPN has had as far as ratings go the past couple years, or try and break out their piece from Disney's financials.  It's not because the network all of a sudden sucks, it's because people aren't watching TV the same way.  There is a lot more viewing online streams (legal and not legal), viewing on DVR delay, viewing at bars, and in WWE's case, losing fans that don't watch at all.  My point about us fans just now recovering has zero to do with ratings, and everything to do with the viewing alternatives.  WWE never gained WCW's audience when Nitro ended, the ratings stayed about the same.  And from 2001-2010, what could you conceivably watch on TV?  WWE, TNA, and in some places ROH.  You now still have all three on TV, along with AEW, NXT, NJPW, WOW, and in some places, MLW.  And I'm sure there's more I'm missing.  But for the first time since WCW died, there are actually alternatives on TV if you so choose to watch them.



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I think Randy Savage was a far more significant nWo member than X-Pac.

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I don't get the logic of adding Waltman to the original 3. Giant,  DiBiase, and maybe (I'm not sure) Fake Sting were in before him. But obviously it's political because he was part of the Kliq and he, Hall and Nash were known as the original Wolfpac. Also think Savage meant more to the NWO than Syxx 

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Superstar wrote:



First - I fully understand that it's not just about your WWE run.  I get that.  But the whole NWO name is looked at a lot more for the negativity than the positivity.  You are correct in saying that business took off in WCW when the NWO came to be.  I know about all of the weeks that WCW won the "ratings war".  But once they lost the ratings war, they were out of business in two years.  I personally don't blame the NWO for that, but when you pile bullshit on top of bullshit, and you are dealing with multi billion dollar corporate entities that look at the bottom line as a fluid number, everybody in the NWO was just as accountable as Bischoff and Russo because of how/when/why they exercised their Creative Control clauses.  Goldberg would be just fine without the NWO because he would've been programmed with Hogan, Savage, Hall, and Nash anyway.  Without the NWO, he doesn't get beaten with a cattle prod - he gets beaten properly to end the streak.  And lets get real here, neither Bagwell nor Steiner did much of anything after WCW ended, other than take paychecks from any organization that would pay them.  Finally...when you say that you don't understand my comment about fans just now starting to recover, then you bring up WWE's ratings as the argument, you just are telling me that you don't see how things work in 2019.  Ratings aren't even the same as a year ago, and it is due to a number of factors - the most telling factor is how many households have dropped cable TV.  Take a look at the bloodletting ESPN has had as far as ratings go the past couple years, or try and break out their piece from Disney's financials.  It's not because the network all of a sudden sucks, it's because people aren't watching TV the same way.  There is a lot more viewing online streams (legal and not legal), viewing on DVR delay, viewing at bars, and in WWE's case, losing fans that don't watch at all.  My point about us fans just now recovering has zero to do with ratings, and everything to do with the viewing alternatives.  WWE never gained WCW's audience when Nitro ended, the ratings stayed about the same.  And from 2001-2010, what could you conceivably watch on TV?  WWE, TNA, and in some places ROH.  You now still have all three on TV, along with AEW, NXT, NJPW, WOW, and in some places, MLW.  And I'm sure there's more I'm missing.  But for the first time since WCW died, there are actually alternatives on TV if you so choose to watch them.


But the whole NWO name is looked at a lot more for the negativity than the positivity.

 

 -Says who?  The internet wrestling community? LOL.  Many casual and former wrestling fans who moved away from the WWF product after Hogan’s run credit the nWo as the reason they returned to watching wrestling.  Did you forget about all the people running around in nWo shirts from 1996-1998?  The ratings, attendance, and merchandise sales at that time indicate that the nWo was seen as a positive to many.







You are correct in saying that business took off in WCW when the NWO came to be.  I know about all of the weeks that WCW won the "ratings war".  But once they lost the ratings war, they were out of business in two years.  I personally don't blame the NWO for that, but when you pile bullshit on top of bullshit, and you are dealing with multi billion dollar corporate entities that look at the bottom line as a fluid number, everybody in the NWO was just as accountable as Bischoff and Russo because of how/when/why they exercised their Creative Control clauses.



- Bischoff has gone on record numerous times saying the addition of Thunder and the inability to keep up with all of the extra hours of programming being the primary reason for the creative downfall in WCW.  That sounds like the corporate problem you are referring to.  He has also said creative control wasn’t that big a deal.  Bischoff was there, the internet nerds who have been writing about creative control for 20 years were not.







And lets get real here, neither Bagwell nor Steiner did much of anything after WCW ended 


- I’m not saying they did, but their biggest opportunities were created by the nWo.  No one ever talks about that, because they are not Chris Benoit, Jericho, Saturn, Malenko, Guerrero, Mysterio, etc.  You know, the latter who went to the WWE and complained about not getting a push when the nWo was on top.  That's why guys like DDP, Luger, Bagwell, Sting, etc. aren't complaining.  They got the pushes.  Not everybody can work on top all at the same time.  Same kind of thing happens today.







 Finally...when you say that you don't understand my comment about fans just now starting to recover, then you bring up WWE's ratings as the argument, you just are telling me that you don't see how things work in 2019.  



- LOL.  It’s not just ratings.  Everyone knows about different viewing options in the present day.  Ratings do matter, (ask Fox)  just not nearly as much as they did back then.  Here's another example:  When Goldberg took the belt off of nWo Hogan, how many people were in the Georgia Dome for the tv show Nitro?  40,000 people?  How many sections are regularly tarped off for Raw and Smackdown these days in much smaller venues?  I don’t see those tv shows drawing live attendance like Nitro did in those days (thanks to the nWo).  Sure, there are plenty of different options now, but none of them are in WCW’s league from those days.  The nWo brought more eyes to the product than many of those other promotions combined. 

 




WWE never gained WCW's audience when Nitro ended, the ratings stayed about the same. 



-Agreed.  WCW’s audience was already dead at that point.  I don’t see that as a direct correlation to the nWo.  It’s not the nWo's fault David Arquette was running around with the title, Mike Awesome was into fat chicks, and the 300 other terrible ideas Vince Russo and company had.


WWE had an opportunity to regain some of WCW's audience down the road with the Invasion angle, but they completely botched that.  I don't think that was the nWo's fault either.





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Blazer wrote: Got to love the NWO - I guess members 4 (Giant) and 5 (was it DiBiase?) didn’t make the mark. Had to go with Syxx.

Fun trivia

Who was 7?

8?

9?

Vincent has to come pretty close after Syxx. But after that, it was a quick dropoff. Bischoff? Then who? Rotundo and Norton?

Vincent came after Syxx then it was Bischoff. Liz was also forced somewhere in there. Then Bagwell. Eric gave all WCW people 30 days to convert their contracts to NWO and Bagwell was the first to step forward. Then I think it was Chono, Big Bubba, Wallstreet, and Norton in one fell swoop.



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1. Hall
2. Nash
3. Hogan
4. DiBiase 8/26/96
5. Giant 9/2/96
6. nWo Sting 9/9/96 he debuted attacking Luger,  but I think he officially joined after Syxx?
7. Waltman 9/16/96
8. Vincent 9/23/96
9. Elizabeth 9/30/96
10. Bischoff 11/18/96

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Wwe is mad cheap with the oil money, fox money, USA money you can induct the whole nwo lmao

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Batista has requested that Fit Finlay induct him, which is a strange choice but Finlay basically taught him how to wrestle. I wouldn’t be surprised if WWE vetoes that one though and has HHH do it (of course).



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