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50 years ago today, on Friday the 13th of February 1970, heavy metal was born when "Black Sabbath" was released in the UK.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/black-sabbath-debut-album-heavy-metal-origin-interview-949070/?fbclid=IwAR2zvZN3FPtk4oS9Q-t54wNEZYlBZtNXrWzS6kDjEOR29Bze_iHafZE2LGY



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I always think it's ironic and funny that people were scared of Ozzy Osbourne (and Sabbath). The guy that routinely shouts: "God bless you! I love you all!" at his concerts.

Also, "After Forever" is a "white metal" Christian anthem. I routinely quote the lyrics to my in-laws and ask them where they came from. They usually answer some country artist or Charlie Brown & the Peanuts gang. Nope... the supposedly "Satanic" band from their prime period.

I think the only time they really pushed the "Satanic" stuff was on the cover for "Born Again", with a devil-baby.

There's always somebody who points out bands like Blue Cheer or even some Hendrix tracks (as the Rolling Stone article does) were "heavy metal". No offense to that, because their tunes kick tushy-- but I think there's no harm in marking "Black Sabbath" as the birth of heavy metal. And best use of Drop D tuning.

Growing up, I was into all the 80's "classic" metal bands, like Maiden, Priest, and Ozzy as a solo act. Sounds like blasphemy, but I didn't really get the love for Black Sabbath until the late 90's. As a young teen in the mid-80's you want stuff that's NEW and FRESH... not these old guys who used to play with Ozzy and Dio. I think I ended up with a slew of early Sabbath tunes in the Napster days and was surprised how much they still destroyed.



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Erick Von Erich wrote: There's always somebody who points out bands like Blue Cheer or even some Hendrix tracks (as the Rolling Stone article does) were "heavy metal". No offense to that, because their tunes kick tushy-- but I think there's no harm in marking "Black Sabbath" as the birth of heavy metal. And best use of Drop D tuning.

I don't think there can be much doubt that Black Sabbath, and in particular Tony Iommi's riffs, were the true birth of heavy metal as we know it.  Of course there was an evolution, and Hendrix, Zeppelin, Steppenwolf, and all the other usual candidates were a huge part of that.  But putting it all together into the package now recognized as heavy metal, both sound and look, was so clearly Sabbath that it's not worth debating.   

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Two words for you...Blue Fucking Cheer. Their sound was heavy just for the sake of being heavy. Hendrix's heavyness was part of his limitless appetite for experimentation. So he could be riffing along on a Marshall plex, have a Big Muff turned all the way up, and then play Wind Cries Mary. Sabbath wrote better riff based songs than Blue Cheer did. But Blue Cheer invented the genre.



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WongLee wrote: Two words for you...Blue Fucking Cheer. Their sound was heavy just for the sake of being heavy. Hendrix's heavyness was part of his limitless appetite for experimentation. So he could be riffing along on a Marshall plex, have a Big Muff turned all the way up, and then play Wind Cries Mary. Sabbath wrote better riff based songs than Blue Cheer did. But Blue Cheer invented the genre.
I’ve heard plenty of Blue Cheer and sorry, that wasn’t the birth of true heavy metal. It was part of the evolution sure, but it was a heavy, grating, distorted psychedelic rock, maybe The Grateful Dead meets Hendrix or Cream (in fact Cream itself could be in this conversation since they were so similar to Cheer but better and more successful and I think they broke the same year). Just because a band was heavy doesn’t mean it was really the start of heavy metal. And their biggest hit is a cover of a rockabilly song called “Summertime Blues”. None of that gives you the attitude and themes of Sabbath that really launched metal. 

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Sabbath set what became the blueprint for the traditional metal band. Sound, lyrics, logo, even the packaging.

I mean, there's a tune from the 1966 movie "Wild Angels" from Davie Allan and the Arrows called "Blue's Theme". Some very cool and EVIL surf-guitar licks drive it. You can put it on a mix tape with early metal tunes and it fits right in.

"Communication Breakdown" from Led Zeppelin's debut album in 1968 is another early heavy tune (old urban legend was that the thumping beat in that song created the term "head-banging"). But I have issues calling that entire album "heavy metal".

Point is, like srossi said, there were early bands and songs that had heavy elements... but I don't think you can pick them as the full-on, official, hands-down, START of Heavy Metal, as you can with Black Sabbath in 1970.



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We could cherry pick individual songs that some may say was the start. Helter Skelter and even Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey, both on the White Album. An argument can be made that the Tielman Brothers invented heavy metal posturing. There is just too many little things that pre-dated Sabbath to say they started the genre.



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WongLee wrote: We could cherry pick individual songs that some may say was the start. Helter Skelter and even Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey, both on the White Album. An argument can be made that the Tielman Brothers invented heavy metal posturing. There is just too many little things that pre-dated Sabbath to say they started the genre.
That's my point though, there's always an evolution of sound but no one in their right mind would ever say "Helter Skelter" was a metal song. 



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WongLee wrote: Two words for you...Blue Fucking Cheer. Their sound was heavy just for the sake of being heavy. Hendrix's heavyness was part of his limitless appetite for experimentation. So he could be riffing along on a Marshall plex, have a Big Muff turned all the way up, and then play Wind Cries Mary. Sabbath wrote better riff based songs than Blue Cheer did. But Blue Cheer invented the genre.I literally only read “Big Muff turned all the way up”.  Getting that was my Valentines Day goal, but my wife had other plans - tequila shots.  At least I’ve stopped shitting my pants now.



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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: We could cherry pick individual songs that some may say was the start. Helter Skelter and even Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey, both on the White Album. An argument can be made that the Tielman Brothers invented heavy metal posturing. There is just too many little things that pre-dated Sabbath to say they started the genre.
That's my point though, there's always an evolution of sound but no one in their right mind would ever say "Helter Skelter" was a metal song. 
How could you NOT call it a metal song? Heavy fuzz and distortion, Sir Paul screaming his ass off. Covered and featured prominently in their live sets by Aerosmith and Motley Crue. It had a distinctive riff that went beyond psychedelic meandering. By far it was Ringo's heaviest and hardest hitting performance. It's a song so heavy Charlie and Family went out to kill for it.



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The guys from Sabbath said they were influenced by Niccolo Paganini, so he started heavy metal on the violin.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: The guys from Sabbath said they were influenced by Niccolo Paganini, so he started heavy metal on the violin.
Classical is without a doubt a huge influence on metal. I don’t know much about Paganini, but I believe it was Stradivarius (could be wrong, but one of them did it) used to cut into one of his strings and fix it so that when he played a particularly fast part the string would snap or pop off. Fans would think it was an accident because of his ferocious playing, but it was showmanship. He’d then re-string and go on like nothing happened. Very metal. An early guitar-smashing moment. 



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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: The guys from Sabbath said they were influenced by Niccolo Paganini, so he started heavy metal on the violin.
Classical is without a doubt a huge influence on metal. I don’t know much about Paganini, but I believe it was Stradivarius (could be wrong, but one of them did it) used to cut into one of his strings and fix it so that when he played a particularly fast part the string would snap or pop off. Fans would think it was an accident because of his ferocious playing, but it was showmanship. He’d then re-string and go on like nothing happened. Very metal. An early guitar-smashing moment.
Paganini was supposedly the first musician to sell his soul to Satan for success. For debauchery, he made the 1973 Led Zeppelin tour of North America look like a Quaker picnic. Drugs, sex, wildly insane performances convinced many people (including his own mother) to think that Niccolo made the big deal with his Infernal Majesty.



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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: We could cherry pick individual songs that some may say was the start. Helter Skelter and even Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey, both on the White Album. An argument can be made that the Tielman Brothers invented heavy metal posturing. There is just too many little things that pre-dated Sabbath to say they started the genre.
That's my point though, there's always an evolution of sound but no one in their right mind would ever say "Helter Skelter" was a metal song. 
Helter Skelter is a metal song and I have sworn statements from three different mental health professionals that I'm sane.



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