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Major League Baseball has made official a rule change that many purists were dreading: Pitchers will have to face a minimum of three hitters before their team can make a pitching change.
The three-bat minimum had long been talked about coming to MLB this season, but the league spelled out the specifics Wednesday:

The Official Baseball Rules have been amended to require the starting or any relief pitcher to pitch to a minimum of three batters, including the batter then at bat (or any substitute batter), until such batters are put out or reach base, or until the offensive team is put out, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire crew chief’s judgment, incapacitates him from further play as a pitcher.  The three-batter minimum will become effective in 2020 Spring Training beginning on Thursday, March 12th.

The goal is to speed up games, as the commissioner’s office has prioritized pace of play as a major issue since Rob Manfred took over. The rule change would eliminate the job baseball fans know as the LOOGY — the left-handed-one-out-only guy, or the lefty reliever who comes into a game to get one out.
The new rules allow for that only if that batter is the final out of an inning. Otherwise relievers will have to face three batters at minimum this season and beyond.

Other MLB rule changes for 2020The three-batter minimum is the big one here, but MLB announced other rule changes for 2020:

• Rosters are expanding from 25 to 26 players during the regular season and postseason. With that, there’s a maximum of 13 pitchers.
• R.I.P the 40-man roster. September rosters will be limited to 28 players with a maximum of 14 pitchers.
• Teams can designate “two-way players” who won’t count toward the pitcher limitations on rosters. To qualify, players need at least 20 Major League innings pitched and at least 20 Major League games started as a position player or DH with at least three plate appearances in each of those games. For the first year, player stats from 2018 and 2019 could be used.
• There are some limitations on when a position player can pitch. Now they can only pitch if their team is behind by six or more runs or if a game is in extra innings.
• Managers will now have 20 seconds instead of 30 to challenge a call on the field.

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All because millenials can't sit their faggot fucking assets still for a couple hours. It's not they are even watching the fucking games. They are there to be seen on tv or social media.

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Tell it, AA. Tell it.

I do agree with the 20 second rule though. Fuck, I think it should be five seconds. If the call is blown so badly that you can see it by eye, then you can challenge. I'm talking Don Denkinger 1985 World Series-bad.

But if a team calls up to the booth to have their people look at a replay and then decides to challenge because the runner beat the throw by a split second, get fucked.

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So what they are saying is that we are going to see a lot of relief pitchers "pulling muscles" during games.

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That's going to really suck for minor leaguers with the Sept call ups becoming non existant for the most part.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: That's going to really suck for minor leaguers with the Sept call ups becoming non existant for the most part.
I like the September roster rule. There is no way that the game should completely change down the stretch. You go from having a set roster to being able to use anyone and their mother during the most important games. Absurd. Good roster usage should still be part of the game until the end. And with this rule it won’t even change things that much from the existing rules. 

But the relief pitching rule just bastardizes the game. None of these “pace of game” rules are working anyway, and all have unintended negative effects that are changing the game fundamentally. 

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Pace of game has nothing to do with too many pitching changes. It has more to do with a smaller strike zone being called and guys looking to take walks instead of swinging the bat. That’s it in a nutshell. If the umps called the actual strikezone, the entire game would change.

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I wonder if Manfred even likes baseball. 

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I am not a millennial by any stretch, but find MLB almost unwatchable at times due to the ever slowing pace of play. I would not have made the change requiring pitchers to face at least three batters, instead forcing the hitters to remain in the batters box and putting an end to pitchers wasting time by going to resin bag, adjusting gear, and so forth. However, I do believe something had to be done and am glad action has taken place.

When I came up as a fan in the late 1970s and 1980s, the length of the average MLB game generally was between 2 hours and 30 minutes and 2 hours and 45 minutes. Despite the recent effort to cut down on delays, the average game in 2019 was an all time high of 3 hours and 10 minutes. If we look at the seasons with the longest average game times, the Top 20 have all occurred from 2000 on except for three which occurred in the 1990s. You have to get down to #26 before you reach the 1980s.

Time wasting aside, a major reason games take so much longer now is that all but a very small handful of games are televised. The only non televised games are midweek day games involving teams lower down the food chain like the A's, Royals, and Pirates. In the not too distant past, far fewer games made TV. The Braves aired all games. The Cubs put on nearly every game, occasionally skipping the odd late night West Coast game. The Mets, Yankees, and White Sox had most games on, in the 100 to 125 range. Other teams had far fewer on TV, as little as a few dozen. As a kid, the Twins always aired 50 games per season with a 4 at home and 46 away split. Many games were not aired anywhere. That resultant lack of TV breaks, which are longer now than then, certainly helped move the games along, but that era is not coming back.

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tamalie wrote: I am not a millennial by any stretch, but find MLB almost unwatchable at times due to the ever slowing pace of play. I would not have made the change requiring pitchers to face at least three batters, instead forcing the hitters to remain in the batters box and putting an end to pitchers wasting time by going to resin bag, adjusting gear, and so forth. However, I do believe something had to be done and am glad action has taken place.

When I came up as a fan in the late 1970s and 1980s, the length of the average MLB game generally was between 2 hours and 30 minutes and 2 hours and 45 minutes. Despite the recent effort to cut down on delays, the average game in 2019 was an all time high of 3 hours and 10 minutes. If we look at the seasons with the longest average game times, the Top 20 have all occurred from 2000 on except for three which occurred in the 1990s. You have to get down to #26 before you reach the 1980s.

Time wasting aside, a major reason games take so much longer now is that all but a very small handful of games are televised. The only non televised games are midweek day games involving teams lower down the food chain like the A's, Royals, and Pirates. In the not too distant past, far fewer games made TV. The Braves aired all games. The Cubs put on nearly every game, occasionally skipping the odd late night West Coast game. The Mets, Yankees, and White Sox had most games on, in the 100 to 125 range. Other teams had far fewer on TV, as little as a few dozen. As a kid, the Twins always aired 50 games per season with a 4 at home and 46 away split. Many games were not aired anywhere. That resultant lack of TV breaks, which are longer now than then, certainly helped move the games along, but that era is not coming back.

Every MLB game was televised or streamed on some platform (a handful on Facebook live) last season. The Fox/FS1 games get an extra 30 seconds per break, which really stretches it out.

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Blazer wrote: Tell it, AA. Tell it.

I do agree with the 20 second rule though. Fuck, I think it should be five seconds. If the call is blown so badly that you can see it by eye, then you can challenge. I'm talking Don Denkinger 1985 World Series-bad.

But if a team calls up to the booth to have their people look at a replay and then decides to challenge because the runner beat the throw by a split second, get fucked.
I don't know about other teams but the giants have Shawn Dunston call the dugout if he thinks there is a possibility of an overturn call and then Bochy decides in the dugout. Don't know if Gabe Kapler will do the same.

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Does anyone other than Ohtani qualify as a 2 way player?

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BitterOldMan wrote: Does anyone other than Ohtani qualify as a 2 way player?
Michael Lorenzen, relief pitcher for the Reds I think.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Does anyone other than Ohtani qualify as a 2 way player?
Michael Lorenzen, relief pitcher for the Reds I think.

Yep, kid is a stud!

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Angelic Assassin wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Does anyone other than Ohtani qualify as a 2 way player?
Michael Lorenzen, relief pitcher for the Reds I think.
Brenden McKay from Tampa Bay. Starting pitcher/DH/firstbaseman. Made his debut late august.

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Benlen wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: Does anyone other than Ohtani qualify as a 2 way player?
Michael Lorenzen, relief pitcher for the Reds I think.
Brenden McKay from Tampa Bay. Starting pitcher/DH/firstbaseman. Made his debut late august.


There's probably a bunch more that swing both ways but haven't emerged from the closet yet. :)

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The rule for "limitations on when position players can pitch" seems unnecessary. It's standard practice to not see a position payer pitching, unless the team is getting blown out (down by 6 or more runs) or in extra innings.

I can't think of an exact scenario, right now, but I'm wondering if it was added to prevent someone from pulling a Belicheck and finding a loophole in the new pitching rules for 2-way players and 3-batter minimums.


I'm thinking the 3 batter minimum rule might lead to an entire bullpen filled with nothing but "closers". So I expect some ding-dong online writer to soon pen a column about how the 1990 Reds "Nasty Boys" (Dibble, Myers, Charlton and arguably a few more) were prophetic.



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