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Butcher came into the WWF in mid-1983 and remained for 2 years until his retirement, as a total jobber that entire time. He was even jobbing to other jobbers like Steve Lombardi and Jose Luis Rivera. I remember he was put over on commentary much like Pedro Morales and Tony Garea were, but to a kid it was weird because 1) he looked old as fuck 2) he got squashed by everyone with no offense despite the accolades and 3) all of his accomplishments were outside of the WWF and had no relevance to the audience. 

Then there’s the wedding. What’s the backstory on giving a jobber this type of angle?  What was the build-up?  What was the point to any of it?  Was that his real wife?

Did Vince employ Butcher as a favor to Mad Dog?  Mad Dog was also in the WWF at the time, and winning matches, but you almost wouldn’t know it just by watching TV. He seemed to get big wins on house shows only, even teaming with Hogan in main events on occasion (obviously in MN but one or two other times as well). Although he couldn’t have meant anything to the WWF, this seemed like a clear case of just bringing him in to hurt the AWA. So was Butcher part of the deal, and where did this wedding come from?


A side question: I see in the middle of his WWF run, Mad Dog returned to the AWA for one match, in Oct. 1985 teaming with Bockwinkel to beat Zukhov and Markoff  in Winnipeg.  But he was still full-time with the WWF until Feb. 1986, when he left to finish his career back with the AWA and International Wrestling and was retired by the end of the year. How did that one match come about?

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I think this was the TNT wedding where Albano is totally obnoxious (when wasn't he though) and hijacks everything audible and Freddie Blassie whacks the crap out of Sky Low Low while he was going down the aisle.  No doubt this is where they got the idea for the Saturday Night's Main Event wedding with Uncle Elmer.  Vince loves weddings and food fights.

It's funny you mentioned Boris Zhukov.  Their characters had similar relevance in their WWE runs. 

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Boz1515 wrote: I think this was the TNT wedding where Albano is totally obnoxious (when wasn't he though) and hijacks everything audible and Freddie Blassie whacks the crap out of Sky Low Low while he was going down the aisle.  No doubt this is where they got the idea for the Saturday Night's Main Event wedding with Uncle Elmer.  Vince loves weddings.

This does pre-date the Elmer wedding, which should make this the first wedding in WWF (wrestling?) history. But I have no recollection of any build to this other than the episode of TNT itself. I don’t remember Albano or Blassie, but I remember David Schultz involved somehow with the obligatory cake smash into the bride’s face. 

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: I think this was the TNT wedding where Albano is totally obnoxious (when wasn't he though) and hijacks everything audible and Freddie Blassie whacks the crap out of Sky Low Low while he was going down the aisle.  No doubt this is where they got the idea for the Saturday Night's Main Event wedding with Uncle Elmer.  Vince loves weddings.

This does pre-date the Elmer wedding, which should make this the first wedding in WWF (wrestling?) history. But I have no recollection of any build to this other than the episode of TNT itself. I don’t remember Albano or Blassie, but I remember David Schultz involved somehow with the obligatory cake smash into the bride’s face. 

Yeah Dr. D was a lot like the Stone Cold character in those days with his pissed off redneck persona.  During the reception/food fight I think I remember seeing some chick in a wrestling mask basically getting abused by half the guys during the melee.  I wonder who that was?  I need to watch this again.

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srossi wrote: Boz1515 wrote: I think this was the TNT wedding where Albano is totally obnoxious (when wasn't he though) and hijacks everything audible and Freddie Blassie whacks the crap out of Sky Low Low while he was going down the aisle.  No doubt this is where they got the idea for the Saturday Night's Main Event wedding with Uncle Elmer.  Vince loves weddings.

This does pre-date the Elmer wedding, which should make this the first wedding in WWF (wrestling?) history. But I have no recollection of any build to this other than the episode of TNT itself. I don’t remember Albano or Blassie, but I remember David Schultz involved somehow with the obligatory cake smash into the bride’s face. 


It certainly wasn't the first wedding in wrestling history. I've seen in-ring weddings as early as the 1940s. Everyone from midget wrestler Cowboy Bradley to Danny McShain to Gorgeous George were married as part of a wrestling card. In every combination as well. Bradley's wedding was a legit wedding, with their licence registration in the official newspaper record. That is the only one I have ever verified as 100% legit. Some weddings were "real" wedding ceremonies, not official, but with no wrestling shenanigans, and others were used to create an angle with someone usually attacking the groom. Pretty much all old-time wresting weddings that happened at cards were between legit couples.



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The wedding is on YouTube.  His wife since 1966 is Rebecca though it could have Bern her using a carny name.

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere specifically but I would say he was brought in as part of the payoff for Mad Dog going to WWF. Butcher was likely being paid more for mobbing in the WWF than whst Verne was giving him. And as was McCocksuckers modus operandi then most wrestlers from other territories were made to look weak.

Mad Dog going back to the AWA for one match wasn't going to hurt VKM at all by that point I don't think.
rossi you posed this same query back in 2008. Not in a position to reference it as I'm in a doctor's office on a tablet and it's a pain in the crack to do stuff.



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Butcher Vachon first came to the WWF for TV tapings in August and September of 1977 with Captain Lou Albano as his manager. By early October he was on the road and continued to get squash wins on TV into early 1978. At house shows he was strictly a midcarder. Superstar Billy Graham was WWWF Champion at the time. Perhaps if Vachon had arrived a few months earlier or a few months later he'd have had some shots at Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund. By the time Backlund got the belt, whatever push Butcher had was ending. He became an equivalent to Baron Mikel Scicluna, winning and losing to equally placed babyfaces on the road like Dominic DeNucci and SD Jones while on TV typically lost to pushed babyfaces but was not treated as some anonymous jobber. He and Albano had a separation minus an explanatory angle around that time. He faded out in the fall of 1978. I'm not sure where he went, perhaps to Montreal.

He returned in mid 1983 and was just a jobber at that point, losing to pushed babyfaces on TV minus any protective booking and working low on the house shows. He was in his mid 40s at the time when that was a much older age compared to now as far as how people looked physically and carried themselves. He lasted into mid 1984, seemingly working part time, sticking to the Northeast shows even as the WWF expanded nationally. He made a pair of random taping appearances as a jobber in 1985, but that was pretty much the end of the line. He didn't have Mad Dog's fame, charisma, talent or sentimental value in the midwestern markets.

As far as the wedding went, it is definitely odd that they used Butcher for the angle. I have no idea why him and not someone else. All I can think is the idea was to use someone not getting pushed so that no one who counted would look the fool while also using a huge guy who had a unique look and a cool name.

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Mad Dog was active in Winnipeg earlier in 1985 as well, acting as special referee for a Martel vs. Zurkov AWA title match (second match of their trilogy).

I suspect that it was Vince letting him do his thing for that little bit as part of what was agreed upon when he jumped from the AWA.
No reason for Vince to care much at this point. He was about to get Winnipeg anyway, and Vachon's initial arrival in the WWF in June of 1984 was long past, when it was designed to be a kick to Verne's sack more than anything else.

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here's the youtube videos







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Thanks for posting the videos Lobo.
Watch the reception video from about 8:20-8:50.  Who is the lady in red with the mask on?  Also, I'm not sure that type of treatment would be tolerated in today's world lol.

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Boz1515 wrote: Thanks for posting the videos Lobo.
Watch the reception video from about 8:20-8:50.  Who is the lady in red with the mask on?  Also, I'm not sure that type of treatment would be tolerated in today's world lol.

Scary to think about what happened off-camera. But yeah, I still have these on VHS and I think I have a copy of dvd too.  This was on one of the early CHVs.  It's just really uncomfortable to watch.



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I am betting the woman in the mask was just some office worker or other woman connected to what was going on without being a wrestler. It seemed her main point was to have the sight gag of Mr. X and Mrs. X in masks. Then things got out of hand during the food fight and Vince seemed to escort her to safety.

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I read somewhere that Vince Sr. told Butcher he had a job for life in his company after Sr. took over booking Andre the Giant from Butcher. Butcher was Andre's first business manager and when Sr. asked to take over booking him on the road that was part of his agreement with Butcher.

It didn't hurt that Andre loved Butcher and probably had Sr.'s ear. When Sr. passed way it looks like Jr. kept the deal.

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Are you talking about Frank Valois by chance?

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indikator wrote: Are you talking about Frank Valois by chance?That's what I was going to say also. Frank Valois was Andre's traveling partner all through the early 70's.

Butcher goes even further back in the WWWF than tamalie stated. Mad Dog and he did two MSG shows as a tag team in 1973. First in a squash and then what must have been a fairly interesting match when they took on King Curtis and Louis Tillet. Butcher came in by himself at the very end of 1974 and became a regular soon after. He was almost strictly a jobber even though he met mostly top faces. By 1978 he was strictly Johnny Rodz level without the skill and charisma.



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