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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2020 03:47 pm
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kargol wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

I went to Iceland in February and didn't see shit.  It was cloudy every night so the van didn't even leave the hotel.  Other than that, great trip.  Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove.  I'm sure KGB would love to cite other Iceland stats to prove his point.  They have 1 jail with 200 prisoners, and those prisoners are more or less free with little security watching them, even the couple of murderers they have.  So clearly since Iceland and the U.S. are so similar, KGB believes we should abolish prisons here.  What a fucking libtard.
Fun Icelandic prison fact: the old prison is now the parliament building.

Yeah, I learned that on my walking tour of Reykjavik.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2020 03:48 pm
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It seems like that should be the other way around. The prisoners getting hand me downs not politicians getting hand me downs from prisoners.



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If you look at all the small European countries, the have the highest number of cases per population. This is probably because they are rich, and are able to test pretty much everyone that needs it. Iceland's 802 cases translates to 2,350 per million population, good for #1 on the world list, with only Faeroe Islands, Andorra, Vatican City and San Marino above them. The top two are landlocked in Italy, so they had no chance. Andorra is between Spain and France, so bad luck for them. The Faeroe Island, however, are remote as fuck, much more so than Iceland, and they have 2,865 cases per million population, or 0.2% of the population. 0.2% if the US population is 650,000 and it will spread much faster in huge cities, rather than tiny villages on islands in the middle of the sea.



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srossi, you done stomping on those straw men yet?  BTW, buddy, I haven't watched television news in a decade or more, including Fox, which I have essentially no use for.  Tucker has some good segments but even he's been wrong on this story.  You'll have to drop that one and move on to insulting me by calling me "boomer"*.
Anyway, now Neil Ferguson, the man behind the doomsday coronavirus study that rattled the world, has revised his position.  Just a bit.

This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths - and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID

He now says both that the U.K. should have enough ICU beds and that the coronavirus will probably kill under 20,000 people in the U.K. - more than 1/2 of whom would have died by the end of the year in any case bc they were so old and sick.
Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased - which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize - which in turn implies it is less dangerous.
Ferguson now predicts that the epidemic in the U.K. will peak and subside within “two to three weeks” - last week’s paper said 18+ months of quarantine would be necessary.
https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1243133211011690499
To be sure, he's still advocating for draconian measures, but does anyone expect today's public figures to admit they've made a mistake?  Even a high priest of the religion of Science!, with its love of facts and reason?
* actually I'm Gen X, but calling me boomer would be about as accurate as claiming I'm taking my marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, or that I'm responsible for something Blue Thunder wrote 10 years ago.  So it shouldn't be a stretch, eh?



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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove. 

Are you saying the disease is less infectious amongst the Icelanders?  Based on what?  I mean, shouldn't 75% of them come down with it at some point? 

Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?



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KGB wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]  
Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?


All the passengers were confined to their cabins.



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Apparently other NYC officials sent out similar messages telling people to go to this parade and not be frightened of this "scare".  Does the Chair of New York City Council health committee still have a job? I bet he does.

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1226566648729133056


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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove. 

Are you saying the disease is less infectious amongst the Icelanders?  Based on what?  I mean, shouldn't 75% of them come down with it at some point? 

I can’t even...someone else can explain it if they have the patience. 

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If we can call Trump an orange orangutan are we allowed to call Obama a black monkey ?

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Infamous wrote: If we can call Trump an orange orangutan are we allowed to call Obama a black monkey ?I think it's different because Trump chooses to be Orange. Something like that...

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srossi wrote: Hobby Lobby is in the news again, refusing any paid sick leave to employees and demanding employees continue to work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-told-managers-denied-employees-paid-sick-leave-memo-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR1OaaFaLkO7c7Lys6Vqz4KI327VC1Ue0xH6FfPuL9rU2IWkqbbCtHApbts
Ill never understand why the media is so fucking obsessed with Hobby Lobby.  If you dont like the store, dont shop there.  Nobody gives a fuck.  People cry as much about HL as they do Chic Filet.



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I don’t visit the lobby hardly if ever but I like the chick filet it’s good, everyone is nice and always gets my order right. I couldn’t ask for more from a fast food establishment.



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Portalesman wrote: srossi wrote: Hobby Lobby is in the news again, refusing any paid sick leave to employees and demanding employees continue to work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-told-managers-denied-employees-paid-sick-leave-memo-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR1OaaFaLkO7c7Lys6Vqz4KI327VC1Ue0xH6FfPuL9rU2IWkqbbCtHApbts
Ill never understand why the media is so fucking obsessed with Hobby Lobby.  If you dont like the store, dont shop there.  Nobody gives a fuck.  People cry as much about HL as they do Chic Filet.
When you spell it Chic Felit, instead of Chick fil a, it sounds like a really hot porno DVD instead of a chicken joint. Thanks for the visual, Port.



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British Prime Minister Boris Johnson just tested positive.



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Kriss wrote: KGB wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]  
Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?


All the passengers were confined to their cabins.

The ship sailed for days with an infected crew interacting, in the usual manner, with every last person aboard.  We can safely assume that almost without exception the passengers were all exposed to one degree or another. 



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