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Personally I think this is as overblown as overblown can be. Remember the SARS crisis? I remember because it was the only time we got to see Angus Young jam with the Stones. I'm not sure what the Illuminati is trying for here. If turns out to be true, I blame Obama.

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It’s real. But I don’t think it’s as deadly as people are claiming. I think it will be like the flu, and I don’t think it’s new...it just wasn’t treated as different from the flu.

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Dude at work, his wife is a very high-end "blood" doctor for lack of a better term, and she's says there's nothing to be worried about here in the US. Wash your hands and don't let jobbers sneeze on you.

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I think it’s the real deal and I think a lot of people are going to die. Are those people in America? probably not.

Greta should be happy China’s carbon emissions have dropped substantially in the last few weeks.

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Just another strain of the flu, nothing to lose your shit over. The left has latched onto this as something to "blame" Trump for.

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It's real. Trump thinks it will be gone by April.lol he's a genius.

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Spatulapup wrote: It's real. Trump thinks it will be gone by April.lol he's a genius.

I think trump is playing it cool so people don’t panic. 

I have a close friend who is a ER doctor and he said all of the people that come in thinking it’s the corona just have the flu or a cold (he hasn’t seen any corona’s yet) but he said he bought some extra groceries this week just in case. 

I’m curious to see what the Dow looks like in a month if the corona stays in the news. 

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You all see that guy in Texas that bought 192 cans of spam?

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Tonight Trump was telling his followers the whole thing is a hoax.lol Always believe the opposite of what he says.

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One of the big differences between this and the flu is that you can walk around for two weeks without knowing you have it and can infect other people. If you are young and healthy, you can also probably work through it while only feeling a little below par. Some people never show any symptoms. The flu will knock you on your ass right away, forcing you to self-isolate because you're too sick to move around. Look at that cruise ship. About a quarter of them caught the virus with 8 dead. The flu would not have been so deadly. It's way more serious than SARS or MERS, certainly not fake news. If it wasn't affecting the stock market, Trump's response would be very different.

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Franchise wrote: You all see that guy in Texas that bought 192 cans of spam?
He'll probably be dead from eating 192 cans of Spam before the Coronavirus

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The masks that people are buying by the shit load are made in China. Just saying.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Just another strain of the flu, nothing to lose your shit over. The left has latched onto this as something to "blame" Trump for.
Well if it's a stomach flu typically you might " lose your shit".

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Angelic Assassin wrote: The masks that people are buying by the shit load are made in China. Just saying.

The masks do very little. They can stop others catching what you have, but they don't filter out anything from outside. The main benefit from wearing one is that it stops you from touching your face.

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Statistically, isn't this deadlier than the common flu? This is something to be alarmed over, but as already mentioned, we can't panic.


It is sad watching the left politicize this. Last I checked, Pence is an administrator. He's been put in charge of delegating people and overseeing the process. The geniuses who graduated from Facebook University have gone nuts over Trump's appointment. Mueller, Cohen's testimony, Stormy, playing up a potential recession, and impeachment over Ukraine were duds. They're praying this virus spreads and hopefully it'll be the magic bullet to take him down.

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This is serious. I think the next year or two is going to be bad until a vaccine is developed. The long incubation period I think guaranties that control over it has been lost. One thing I read this morning, but I don't know if it is accurate is that young children seem to be dealing with the infection better and no child has died from it yet. Also if it is true that people getting it again after they already fought it off is concerning.


Plus like others have said there is going to be a lot of collateral damage with the stock markets and global trade. I also find it gross that it is being politicized in the States.

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BlueThunder wrote: Statistically, isn't this deadlier than the common flu? 

Deadlier, yes. 2% is the current statistic vs. 0.1% for influenza for deaths as a % of cases.

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first death in US has been reported in Washington state. yeah it's a hoax the Democrats's are behind this...

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The virus isn’t a Hoax the information that Michael Moore and democrates are spewing is.

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When Mounta has to pull an extra overnite shift because some adminstrator greenlighted a personal day for a subcoworker's venereal hangnail, it'll be serious as a George Chuvalo uppercut.

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A second death in Washington state..

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We haven't really taken any precautions at work. I had a talk with one of the pulmonolgists on Sat and the ones at risk mostly are going to be people with existing comorbidities. COPD patients, long term smokers etc... I've dealt with this Virus multiple times in the past, just not this strain. It's not like we did droplet precautions before, so I don't see it happening now.

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Been waiting for Raditch to chime in...he would know how this is being perceived in the medical community more than most.

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3 more Washington state deaths announced. death toll up to 5. Not good.

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Spatulapup wrote: 3 more Washington state deaths announced. death toll up to 5. Not good.
between October of last year and Feb this year there have been over 20,000 common flu deaths in the USA so I wouldn't wring my hands too hard right now..

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Leftists creating hysteria in an election year to artificially modify the economy. You don't say...

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Company I work for is based in Germany and they've already canceled their booths at three big trade Euro trade shows. They also sent out a company-wide email prohibiting travel to Southeast Asia an urging all employees, globally, to "work remotely, at home".

They have no say in the US Presidential elections.

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One Fan Gang wrote: When Mounta has to pull an extra overnite shift because some adminstrator greenlighted a personal day for a subcoworker's venereal hangnail, it'll be serious as a George Chuvalo uppercut. This might be the most Canadian post ever.

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Married Jo wrote: Spatulapup wrote: 3 more Washington state deaths announced. death toll up to 5. Not good.
between October of last year and Feb this year there have been over 20,000 common flu deaths in the USA so I wouldn't wring my hands too hard right now..
18 confirmed cases in Washington state and 6 have died.

80,000 in China and 2900 of them have died.

Now I know that is only confirmed cases and more have had it without knowing.

This all started about a month ago and we have those numbers already.   Now I know they will get better at slowing it down and treating the symptoms as time goes on, but it is something to worry about right now. It’s too far gone to contain now. Imagine  what this is going to do in Africa and poorer regions of the world.

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It's definitely worse than Windmill cancer and the dangerous caravans heading north that the idiot in the white house was trying to scare people with.:)

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What is windmill cancer?

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Franchise wrote: What is windmill cancer?
Trump claimed that windmills cause cancer.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: What is windmill cancer?
Trump claimed that windmills cause cancer.


Seriously? 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: What is windmill cancer?
Trump claimed that windmills cause cancer.


Seriously? 

He claimed that the nouse of the windmills in wind farms cause cancer. He's hated them ever since a wind farm was build right next to one of his golf courses in Scotland. But you can just add it to the list of ridiculous things he's said.

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First confirmed case on my beloved Lawn Guyland. All the way out in Riverhead. Which can actually use a good depopulation program. I'm with the Illuminati on this one.

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According to the news 10% of the Iranian parliament has the virus and some of them may or may not died from it.


I think some of the big cities in America might be a potential disaster if the virus finds its way into the homeless population.


I’ve seen a few news articles about long lines at Costco, Sams club and other places but I havent seen any panic buying / prepping around here.

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Trying to convince the wife over the weekend when we went grocery shopping that we should start building up the pantry with soups, tuna, crackers and shit like that.  She was kinda like pfff come on, but we picked up a few things.  We will see how this goes, but the first sign of serious stuff going down, I’m thinking better to be safe than sorry.

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I am downloading thousands of hours of German scat porn, just in case the worst happens. I’m not sure what any of that means, but it makes me feel better so I’m doing it and fuck you if you don’t like it. When you all have a fever and tons of soup, I’ll be the one getting the last laugh!

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Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.

It really is. Now I am sure they will get that number down as time goes on, but places like Africa and parts of the Middle East are in for a rough go of it. I just shake my head when I think of the panic that will ensue as this grows progressively bigger and bigger. I worry about my Father and all the elderly people I know.
Boy's...there ain’t no stopping this now, it’s here and in only a small amount of time some of us here at the board are going to be affected in some way, shape or form. I know I sound like some fear monger, but shit is real and it’s on our doorstep now. It’s not “things will be fine and it will blow over like everything else does”, this time.

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Lol That being said though, I have done nothing to prepare.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Lol That being said though, I have done nothing to prepare.

Supermarkets here in Berlin (Germany) are pretty much out of soap, flour, pasta, rice and water. Water I don't understand because the tap water here is very good. Much like yourself, I've done nothing. If I couldn't leave the house, I'd be going hungry in about five days, and supermarket food deliveries to homes is really not a thing here. I better get out and stock up on sausages in jars.

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going on the JoCo cruise to the Caribbean this Friday and my wife and I (we work at the same place) have already been told we have to work from home for two weeks once we get back

did not even consider not going on this trip - everyone is going to get exposed eventually so Let Her Rip!

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What is a JoCo and what kind of sausages are sold in jars?

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Franchise wrote: What is a JoCo and what kind of sausages are sold in jars?

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.
That’s a completely inflated number. The real number is closer to 2% and if you’re otherwise healthy and not very young/old much lower than even that. 

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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.
That’s a completely inflated number. The real number is closer to 2% and if you’re otherwise healthy and not very young/old much lower than even that. 


Fox News reported today that 3.4% is the real number 

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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.
That’s a completely inflated number. The real number is closer to 2% and if you’re otherwise healthy and not very young/old much lower than even that. 

I don’t know how true this is but I read in one of the many articles that children are making it through unscathed and hardly if any have died. It is older people who should worry most and those with copd and other pre-existing health issues. This I fear is going to clean out our old folks homes.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: What is a JoCo and what kind of sausages are sold in jars?
Oh and over here in North America we have them in little cans with peel tops. They are called ‘Vienna Sausages’. They are basically little hotdogs in a can. I find them tasty, but I don’t want to know what they are made out of.

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The New James Bond movie that was to come out in April was been pushed back to November because of Corona Virus

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Apparently according to WHO, 3.2% of the people who get this has died. That is an awfully big number.
That’s a completely inflated number. The real number is closer to 2% and if you’re otherwise healthy and not very young/old much lower than even that. 

I don’t know how true this is but I read in one of the many articles that children are making it through unscathed and hardly if any have died. It is older people who should worry most and those with copd and other pre-existing health issues. This I fear is going to clean out our old folks homes.

I had someone tell me that children weren't catching this at all, but that's completely untrue.  I'm obviously not a doctor but I am connected with the emergency response through my work in some ways, as I was with Ebola, and there's still a lot of misinformation out there. 

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California declares a state of emergency.


Anyone else see that person on the ground in queens (what’s been reported I have no idea if it’s actually queens) wearing the mask?

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I can’t tell if this is ramping up or if we are starting to see this blow over. Very little news coverage in Chicago on this today.

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I think it’s ramping up but it appears to only be in certain areas at the moment.

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I’m going to a work conference next week for two days. Dreading the obligatory handshake situation with all of the colleagues I see.

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Blazer wrote: I’m going to a work conference next week for two days. Dreading the obligatory handshake situation with all of the colleagues I see.
Any work conference should have rules in place about this by now.  I know at my office, with the large number of international travelers coming through, we have banned handshakes.  If I tried to shake someone's hands right now, I'd probably be punched in the face.  

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: I’m going to a work conference next week for two days. Dreading the obligatory handshake situation with all of the colleagues I see.
Any work conference should have rules in place about this by now.  I know at my office, with the large number of international travelers coming through, we have banned handshakes.  If I tried to shake someone's hands right now, I'd probably be punched in the face.  

Fist to face contact is a sure way to catch the virus. All work places are being supplied with one-use steel folding chairs for this purpose.

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Our office has the time clock finger-scan for morning and evening. Just cringe-worthy at the end of the day to have to touch that thing. Probably has more germs on it than the toilet seat in the bathroom.  Waiting for the email telling us we can go back to paper time sheets.

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Well fuck, they just canceled SXSW. If they start canceling all the summer concert tours I’m going to be super pissed.

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srossi wrote: Well fuck, they just canceled SXSW. If they start canceling all the summer concert tours I’m going to be super pissed.
The Hype and hysteria over this will be so outrageous in a month, there's a good chance literally everything where more than a few people get together in the same place will be cancelled.
Which, to me, is pretty ridiculous, but in a society that over-hypes and overreacts to almost everything, it doesn't matter if it's a real thing or not...this is what's gonna happen with it.
I'm not saying this is a real threat or a BS threat, I'm saying it doesn't matter now, in terms of how people, companies, and events are reacting to it.

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At this point I honestly cannot tell if this is a legitimate threat or overhyped by everyone and their brother. It’s definitely a big deal in that people are dying, not saying anything about that. But with so much talk I do not know how worried we really need to be. Indiana and Kentucky had their first cases confirmed yesterday and both declared a state of emergency, unreal.

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Well, it's fucked me. Booked to go to the Bahrain Grand Prix, which is now going to be held behind closed doors, so ticket is useless.

Now hoping they decide to ban all travel to the country so I can at least get a refund for the rest of the trip, I don't really fancy a week on a small island with not much to do.

Biggest risk to the US is that your healthcare is so borked people will not bother with medical care and will continue to spread it.

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cookie32723 wrote: At this point I honestly cannot tell if this is a legitimate threat or overhyped by everyone and their brother. It’s definitely a big deal in that people are dying, not saying anything about that. But with so much talk I do not know how worried we really need to be. Indiana and Kentucky had their first cases confirmed yesterday and both declared a state of emergency, unreal.
If the media pounded into everyone’s heads every second of the day that tens of thousands of Americans die of the flu every year, the country would be in a constant state of paralysis. But they don’t, so we don’t notice. Coronavirus is serious but certainly no more serious than the flu. And why the fuck haven’t people been washing their hands and covering their mouths for, oh, say the last 150 years or so since we first realized how people get sick?  Everyone acts like this is breaking news and most seem to be buying soap for the first time ever. 

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I’ve always been a person that doesn’t give a shit but I do think this is going to grow into a mess.


I know a lot of people die from the flu but so far the mortality rate with this has been much higher; the flu mortality rate I think is something like .01% normally.

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And to be clear I don’t think this is the end of the world but I do see a lot of failures forth coming in the supply chain.

I’m curious to see what the cruise industry is going to look like after this is all said and done. 

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Looks like 70 new people sick linked to the nursing home in Washington. Not sure if they are all corona or just the flu.

A Starbucks was shutdown due to an employee testing positive

And Italy is talking about going on serious lockdown

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Cuomo announced this morning that he wants all NYers to avoid crowds and let full subway cars pass. He might be the stupidest motherfucker ever.

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Down almost 2,000

The OPEC price battling is getting crazy; almost giving oil away

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Trumps tweets today are just making things worse. Blaming this 3 week crash now on Saudis and Russians. Trying to compare year long flu totals with 2 months beginning Covid totals. He's doing nothing to ease up the markets

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/3/9/21171617/coronavirus-new-york-hand-sanitizer-crisis-shortage-cuomo-prison-inmates

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Cuomo is having his worst week ever. Between all his ridiculous comments on the Coronavirus and this hand sanitizer joke and the fact that our transit czar picked this week to tell all about why he quit and how awful Cuomo was, he’s getting smacked around as badly as any politician I’ve seen in a while. Absolutely no one likes this guy even amongst Democrats.

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Pearl Jam just canceled their U.S. tour that was set to begin in 2 weeks. And so it begins.

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https://twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538

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It'll get even better as more and more people panic about it.

Which, of course, is happening more and more every day...

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Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune just announced that they will be taping episodes with no studio audience for a while.  I guess Alex Trebek has enough problems without getting a Coronavirus. 

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Coachella, scheduled for 2 weekends in April, is likely to announce that they are postponing to 2 weekends in October, according to Rolling Stone. An announcement could come as early as tomorrow.

If I’m Vince I’m sweating my balls off right now. There is no guarantee they’re going to allow WM to happen. Almost all other gatherings even close to that size seem to be getting cancelled, and things will only get worse over the next few weeks, not better. 

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srossi wrote: If I’m Vince I’m sweating my balls off right now. There is no guarantee they’re going to allow WM to happen. Almost all other gatherings even close to that size seem to be getting cancelled, and things will only get worse over the next few weeks, not better. Nobody is looking forward to this year's Wrestlemania anyway. Hell, a cancellation/postponement would probably help Vinny save face. 

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The Olympics seem to be in legitimate danger of going forward.

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Ireland has essentially cancelled Saint Patrick's Day, basically shutting down all the planned public events. Now you know it's fooking serious.

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Everything will be cancelled within a month. And I doubt it helps one bit with the incubation period. Damn shame.

The NCAA March Madness tournament will be hilarious being completed in empty arenas...if it goes on at all. lol...

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Douche bag LeBron James honestly stated yesterday that he will not play if there are no fans in attendance. Yeah, right douche. As long as you are paid, you will play. Liar Cunt.


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KISS has cancelled all post show Meet and Greets - Gene not earning extra cash - NOW you know its serious!

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the squared circle wrote: KISS has cancelled all post show Meet and Greets - Gene not earning extra cash - NOW you know its serious!Gene was probably just saving face due to lack of interest. KISS sucks!

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I have an in law stuck out on that cruise ship that is or is In The process of docking at The port of Oakland. Thru 5th hand reports it sounds like she is being sent to Travis Air force base to quarantine

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Flights are super cheap now. We're thinking about maybe adding a vacation in late August because everything is 25-40% off. Cruises I'm sure are even cheaper.

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Yeah I probably could have saved a ton going to Hawaii this year instead of last year

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khawk wrote: Everything will be cancelled within a month. And I doubt it helps one bit with the incubation period. Damn shame.

The NCAA March Madness tournament will be hilarious being completed in empty arenas...if it goes on at all. lol...


In 1989 there was a measles outbreak at a number of college campuses among members of what was then the ECAC Metro conference, now known as the Northeast Conference. Not wanting infected persons from one school to infect others from other schools, the conference's men's basketball tournament was played at the Hartford Civic Center in front of only the media. No fans, bands or cheerleaders were allowed inside. The games took place in an otherwise empty 17,000 arena. As a gag, some life sized cardboard cutouts of fans were placed in a few seats close to the court.

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srossi wrote: Flights are super cheap now. We're thinking about maybe adding a vacation in late August because everything is 25-40% off. Cruises I'm sure are even cheaper.
I've seen a 51 night cruise around Australia being offered at £2,500. Given food is all inclusive, and the flights alone would be half that cost, you can't live that cheaply.

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Franchise wrote: Yeah I probably could have saved a ton going to Hawaii this year instead of last yearPoor baby.

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The San Jose Sharks might be playing some empty arena games because the city is prohibiting gatherings of more than 1,000 people.

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cdewar19 wrote: The San Jose Sharks might be playing some empty arena games because the city is prohibiting gatherings of more than 1,000 people.Yeah, I just saw that. Crazy shit.

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the squared circle wrote: KISS has cancelled all post show Meet and Greets - Gene not earning extra cash - NOW you know its serious!
Gene’s stuck his tongue in more pussy and bungholes than any guy on the planet.  Love that he’s worried about “catching something” now.  

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Blazer wrote: the squared circle wrote: KISS has cancelled all post show Meet and Greets - Gene not earning extra cash - NOW you know its serious!
Gene’s stuck his tongue in more pussy and bungholes than any guy on the planet.  Love that he’s worried about “catching something” now.  
And most of those bunghole were dudes.

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I’m reading that some national guard troops were deployed to New Rochelle New York. Anyone in New York have any insight?

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Franchise wrote: I’m reading that some national guard troops were deployed to New Rochelle New York. Anyone in New York have any insight?
I'm just hearing what you are probably.  New Rochelle has an extraordinary number of cases compared to the rest of NY and Cuomo wants to flex his muscles by shooting every last germ with a grenade launcher.  I feel safer already. 

P.S. I am a 12-minute drive from New Rochelle so I am already dead.  It's been fun.  

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They have already closed several universities. Ohio State University was just shut down, but the students will have to take classes online

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My work is having a mandatory work-from-home day on Tuesday to test our business continuity plan in the event that the office is shut down and everyone has to work from home.

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I've been "working" from home all week cos I had a day in Turin late last month. No matter how low the risk is, that Turin is outside the risky area, that I display no symptoms...there's so much paranoia. Not complaining though.

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tamalie wrote: khawk wrote: Everything will be cancelled within a month. And I doubt it helps one bit with the incubation period. Damn shame.

The NCAA March Madness tournament will be hilarious being completed in empty arenas...if it goes on at all. lol...


In 1989 there was a measles outbreak at a number of college campuses among members of what was then the ECAC Metro conference, now known as the Northeast Conference. Not wanting infected persons from one school to infect others from other schools, the conference's men's basketball tournament was played at the Hartford Civic Center in front of only the media. No fans, bands or cheerleaders were allowed inside. The games took place in an otherwise empty 17,000 arena. As a gag, some life sized cardboard cutouts of fans were placed in a few seats close to the court.



They should see if Turner still has the audio of the crowd noise they used to pipe in on WCW Saturday Night during the Bischoff years?
They could use it for the basketball broadcasts on TNT.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I’m reading that some national guard troops were deployed to New Rochelle New York. Anyone in New York have any insight?
I'm just hearing what you are probably.  New Rochelle has an extraordinary number of cases compared to the rest of NY and Cuomo wants to flex his muscles by shooting every last germ with a grenade launcher.  I feel safer already. 

P.S. I am a 12-minute drive from New Rochelle so I am already dead.  It's been fun. 
Maybe you'll get a posthumous POTY award, so there's that

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So some guy on Joe Rogan today basically says that we all really are fucked. He said it's one of those illnesses where you'll be walking around happy as a lark and feeling on top of the world but inside, you're carrying enough germs to wipe out West Carolina.

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I’ve only listened to the first 20 minutes so far of that podcast and it’s doom and gloom for sure; Said 3-6 months of this.

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WongLee wrote: So some guy on Joe Rogan today basically says that we all really are fucked. He said it's one of those illnesses where you'll be walking around happy as a lark and feeling on top of the world but inside, you're carrying enough germs to wipe out West Carolina.
Not sure where my map is, where is West Carolina?

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cookie32723 wrote: WongLee wrote: So some guy on Joe Rogan today basically says that we all really are fucked. He said it's one of those illnesses where you'll be walking around happy as a lark and feeling on top of the world but inside, you're carrying enough germs to wipe out West Carolina.
Not sure where my map is, where is West Carolina?
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The city of Tampa will be having meetings later this week to discuss the future of all public events, including WM. It is very much up in the air right now.

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I’m reading that some national guard troops were deployed to New Rochelle New York. Anyone in New York have any insight?
I'm just hearing what you are probably.  New Rochelle has an extraordinary number of cases compared to the rest of NY and Cuomo wants to flex his muscles by shooting every last germ with a grenade launcher.  I feel safer already. 

P.S. I am a 12-minute drive from New Rochelle so I am already dead.  It's been fun. 
Maybe you'll get a posthumous POTY award, so there's that

I won’t. 

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cdewar19 wrote: The San Jose Sharks might be playing some empty arena games because the city is prohibiting gatherings of more than 1,000 people.
Heard tonight that the Sharks will comply with the wishes of the County. Don't know on what that will mean for any upcoming home games.

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I saw on Fox News that my Father-In-Law watches and they are blaming the Left for all of this "mass hysteria" and that the virus is just a way to get back at Trump.

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Do people seriously have to pay four figures in the US to get themselves tested, even if they are insured? If true, that's absolutely nuts, and your real number is at least 10x the confirmed number.

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srossi wrote: My work is having a mandatory work-from-home day on Tuesday to test our business continuity plan in the event that the office is shut down and everyone has to work from home.

Wait wait do you work on 45th street, in a theater company that markets broadway and off broadway shows, because they are doing that too just odd that tuesday was like the stay home test day... why not do it on a friday or Monday  lmao i hate coming back to work on  in between weekday

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krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: My work is having a mandatory work-from-home day on Tuesday to test our business continuity plan in the event that the office is shut down and everyone has to work from home.

Wait wait do you work on 45th street, in a theater company that markets broadway and off broadway shows, because they are doing that too just odd that tuesday was like the stay home test day... why not do it on a friday or Monday  lmao i hate coming back to work on  in between weekday

LOL. No, I don’t work for a theater company. That sounds awful. But I do work very close to that area. I assume everyone is running similar tests. 

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srossi wrote: krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: My work is having a mandatory work-from-home day on Tuesday to test our business continuity plan in the event that the office is shut down and everyone has to work from home.

Wait wait do you work on 45th street, in a theater company that markets broadway and off broadway shows, because they are doing that too just odd that tuesday was like the stay home test day... why not do it on a friday or Monday  lmao i hate coming back to work on  in between weekday

LOL. No, I don’t work for a theater company. That sounds awful. But I do work very close to that area. I assume everyone is running similar tests. 

I assume they did it on a Tuesday so that people would do some work, a not just take a long weekend.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: My work is having a mandatory work-from-home day on Tuesday to test our business continuity plan in the event that the office is shut down and everyone has to work from home.

Wait wait do you work on 45th street, in a theater company that markets broadway and off broadway shows, because they are doing that too just odd that tuesday was like the stay home test day... why not do it on a friday or Monday  lmao i hate coming back to work on  in between weekday

LOL. No, I don’t work for a theater company. That sounds awful. But I do work very close to that area. I assume everyone is running similar tests. 

I assume they did it on a Tuesday so that people would do some work, a not just take a long weekend.

We’re having meetings and running tests almost all day. The purpose is to ensure that we can all do our work from home. Most of us work from home once a week anyway. But that day will be packed so trust me, we’d rather be at work. There will be no lounging on the couch. 

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Regarding whether or not Mania would get cancelled, you can never say never in a situation like this, but the city is having its St. Patrick's Day parade and festival this weekend as planned and that event brings in way more fans than the WWE will for its big show.

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Global pandemic per the WHO

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I’m definitely interested and follow how’s it’s spreading and all that, but am not concerned at this point. Not that we shouldn’t all be cautious, but the panic this has caused is unbelievable.

And I still don’t understand the toilet paper shortage.

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In Philly, they are still having their St. Patrick's Day parade, but are also telling people to not to attend it.

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cookie32723 wrote: And I still don’t understand the toilet paper shortage.

I don't really understand it either unless they think the eventual supply disruptions are going to cause a long toilet paper outage.

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Our company is planning to cut back on the week-end shifts. Instead of 2 people working on Saturdays, only one person
will be doing the work of two.
Other options being discussed by management include employees not taking public transit to work. Maybe they want us to hitch-hike.
We have numerous branches spread out over the city. So, no more working at one site & working at another location the next day.

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lobo316 wrote: Our company is planning to cut back on the week-end shifts. Instead of 2 people working on Saturdays, only one person
will be doing the work of two.
Other options being discussed by management include employees not taking public transit to work. Maybe they want us to hitch-hike.
We have numerous branches spread out over the city. So, no more working at one site & working at another location the next day.

Can you imagine if the TTC was forced to shut down? 

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Franchise wrote: cookie32723 wrote: And I still don’t understand the toilet paper shortage.

I don't really understand it either unless they think the eventual supply disruptions are going to cause a long toilet paper outage.


I read an article about this. There are reasons. One is that people can't imagine what they would do if they ran out of toilet paper. Another is that toilet paper is such a large item. If one person has three packs, you can't miss it, so it makes you think about buying a lot yourself. And because they are such a large item, the shelves empty quickly and leave large empty spaces kn the shelves. The empty spaces make people think that the item is about to run out and go back to the first reason.

There's also the simple reason that you know you will eventually use all the toilet paper, even if there is no shortage.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: cookie32723 wrote: And I still don’t understand the toilet paper shortage.

I don't really understand it either unless they think the eventual supply disruptions are going to cause a long toilet paper outage.


I read an article about this. There are reasons. One is that people can't imagine what they would do if they ran out of toilet paper. Another is that toilet paper is such a large item. If one person has three packs, you can't miss it, so it makes you think about buying a lot yourself. And because they are such a large item, the shelves empty quickly and leave large empty spaces kn the shelves. The empty spaces make people think that the item is about to run out and go back to the first reason.

There's also the simple reason that you know you will eventually use all the toilet paper, even if there is no shortage.

We buy toilet paper by the case from Home Depot. There are 96 rolls to a case.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: cookie32723 wrote: And I still don’t understand the toilet paper shortage.

I don't really understand it either unless they think the eventual supply disruptions are going to cause a long toilet paper outage.


I read an article about this. There are reasons. One is that people can't imagine what they would do if they ran out of toilet paper. Another is that toilet paper is such a large item. If one person has three packs, you can't miss it, so it makes you think about buying a lot yourself. And because they are such a large item, the shelves empty quickly and leave large empty spaces kn the shelves. The empty spaces make people think that the item is about to run out and go back to the first reason.

There's also the simple reason that you know you will eventually use all the toilet paper, even if there is no shortage.

We buy toilet paper by the case from Home Depot. There are 96 rolls to a case.


People with the virus are being quarantined. If it happens to you, you'll want lots of tp on hand. You never know how long you'll be quarantined.

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Can I get my quarantine coordinated with the start of the NCAA basketball tournament?

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beejmi wrote: Can I get my quarantine coordinated with the start of the NCAA basketball tournament?

There will be no fans during March Madness. 

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Getting back to the TP issue. In a pinch, couldn't you just take the dirtiest washcloth you've got in your drawer/closet/pantry and just use that and then wash the fuck out of it when done? In essence this is what you do with little kids.

I'd be more inclined to fill my grocery basket with pasta, soups, canned tuna, sardines, etc.

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https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/major-update-on-the-possible-cancellation-of-wrestlemania-36?fbclid=IwAR2nxM7dtsiyjHWH_ttkMt_S9zJ49z2H2Q6J4aIa9X9QeBGkHgIzOkr-jF0#.XmjiboAzRA0.facebook


The Tampa, Florida city government will be holding meetings later this week to discuss the fate of several “major events” in their city due to coronavirus. Of course, one of those upcoming events is WrestleMania 36, an event where people from all over the world come to attend.

According to Ryan Bass of CBS Tampa, Mayor Jane Castor and city officials are scheduled to hold a meeting this Thursday to discuss the possibility of canceling or postponing “major” events in the city.

WWE issued a statement last week that stated they “remain committed to hosting WrestleMania at Raymond James Stadium on Sunday, April 5, and like other entertainment properties in the U.S., there are currently no plans to cancel or postpone our upcoming events.” It’s not up to WWE though as the city of Tampa, FL will make the final call and if they postpone or cancel “major events” like WrestleMania 36, WWE would be forced to comply. Obviously, things are touch and go at this point but as you’d imagine, there are many people within WWE who are extremely worried about what will happen at Thursday’s meeting.


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I posted something similar from PWInsider yesterday. The local Tampa sites have certainly confirmed that these discussions are happening for many events, and WM is certainly one of them.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/607807/

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PWInsider:

Tampa, Florida Mayor Jane Castor was interviewed this afternoon by Drew Garabo on 102.5 The Bone FM in Tampa, Florida about the city's response to the coronavirus and how they would be handling large scale public events in the city, including next month's Wrestlemania 36 week.

Castor was immediately asked about Wrestlemania 36 and whether the events that week will still take place. Castor said they are still assessing the situation. They hoped to still hold it but they are still assessing.

They have a commission working on it and will be having a meeting tomorrow at 12 PM Noon to determine what they will do regarding the status of not just Wrestlemania, but all other large scale events in the city.

Castor said they anticipated they would have coronavirus cases in Tampa. The virus in most cases is like a mild case of the flu. The issue is the ease of the transmission. It's not if, but when it hit their city. They want people to have accurate information and to take steps to protect themselves and they'll be able to prevent the spread of the virus across Tampa and the country. She noted they now have the test kits they need now. She said she expects there will be more positives, but unless you are elderly or have additional health concerns that make you high risk, it will be like getting a mild case of the flu.

Castor noted the city's St. Patrick's Day festivities will take place as scheduled. She noted fans want to attend sports games, but they can always watch them on television when they are broadcast.

On balancing the health and well being vs. the economic windfall of Wrestlemania, Castor said the health and well being is important but she also has to look at the economic impact for those who need the paychecks that come with the economic positives of having a major event. It's a responsibility she takes seriously.

When asked who's final decision it would be, Castor said WWE can 'weigh in' but they locally would have the final call. That's why they are having the meeting tomorrow, so they can make the best informed decision and be on top of the latest information from the CDC and the State of Florida.

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I can just imagine short sellers for WWE stock just waiting for the decision on this event.

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Pretty much every NCAA conference basketball tournament will be played with a handful of fans and "essential personnel" in attendance. Same with March Madness. In MLB, Seattle and Oakland may be forced to play their first homestands at their AZ training facility. The NBA is expected to announce tomorrow that the rest of the regular season will be played without fans. Tonight's Utah/OKC game was postponed when one of the players came down with symptoms.


IT'S. THE. FUCKING. FLU. Jesus.

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Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson just announced that they have tested positive. They are in Australia filming an Elvis movie and are now under quarantine.

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And now Trump has banned Travel from Europe for a month. Dow Futures drop 600 pts on this. He has a special group of retards running the show behind the scenes.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: And now Trump has banned Travel from Europe for a month. Dow Futures drop 600 pts on this. He has a special group of retards running the show behind the scenes.
I just saw this. Can’t even believe it. This guy’s response to everything is travel bans. He’s a fucking moron. And he missed the loophole of being able to stop over in the U.K. 

It also looks like he will extend the tax deadline from April 15. He should’ve just said “Taxation is Theft” and canceled it. 

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The NBA season was just indefinitely suspended. They won’t even play in empty arenas now.

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A credible source, the same one that broke the Samoa Joe suspension story (before Meltzer) reports that as of tonight “it is not looking good” that WM will be allowed to go on as planned.

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I’m not sure what I thought Trump was going to say but after he said it I didn’t think it was enough.


Is our federal government under reacting or is the NBA overreacting? I guess only more time and more information can tell.

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Tom Hanks and his wife tested positive and are quarantined in Australia

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St. Patrick’s Day Parade in NYC just canceled by Cuomo after DeBlasio said it would go on just 2 days ago.

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srossi wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: And now Trump has banned Travel from Europe for a month. Dow Futures drop 600 pts on this. He has a special group of retards running the show behind the scenes.
I just saw this. Can’t even believe it. This guy’s response to everything is travel bans. He’s a fucking moron. And he missed the loophole of being able to stop over in the U.K. 
  From what I read, people can't stop over in the UK, as it includes people who have been to the Schengen area in the last 14 days.
And, to be fair to Trump, this is the same sort of ban that lots of other countries have brought in. 

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The stock market is down another 2,000 points today. Bitcoin has plummeted under $6,000 and Ethereum is down to 130. So much for crypto holding its value better. Fuck, I just took a nasty hit.

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: And now Trump has banned Travel from Europe for a month. Dow Futures drop 600 pts on this. He has a special group of retards running the show behind the scenes.
I just saw this. Can’t even believe it. This guy’s response to everything is travel bans. He’s a fucking moron. And he missed the loophole of being able to stop over in the U.K. 
  From what I read, people can't stop over in the UK, as it includes people who have been to the Schengen area in the last 14 days.
And, to be fair to Trump, this is the same sort of ban that lots of other countries have brought in. 


If you made your own way to the UK, using EuroStar, you could fly to the USA, but they are advising that US immigration could be going as far as to check your bank records to see where you've been in the past 14 days. This is all political BS, though. The UK is no safer than the Schengen area, but Trump is trying to blame open borders.

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Franchise wrote: Tom Hanks and his wife tested positive and are quarantined in Australia

So he's on an island and his "wife's " last name is Wilson. Curious.

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Wells Fargo Center has been shut down and future events postponed. This was the site of Elimination Chamber just 4 days ago, so WWE dodged that bullet barely.

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Kriss wrote: If you made your own way to the UK, using EuroStar, you could fly to the USA, but they are advising that US immigration could be going as far as to check your bank records to see where you've been in the past 14 days. This is all political BS, though. The UK is no safer than the Schengen area, but Trump is trying to blame open borders.The UK is a lot safer at the moment, we have around 600 cases, about the same as the Netherlands.  But the Netherlands has around a quarter of the population.
France, with a similar population to the UK, has four times the number.
But of course we do not know how many latent cases there are.  Everyone might be on a similar distribution curve.  In which case it's just that the UK is behind it.

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Wall Street temporarily suspended trading AGAIN after the Dow opened down 2,000. They can't keep doing this. They may need to just halt trading by 3 weeks like they did on 9/11.

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srossi wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: And now Trump has banned Travel from Europe for a month. Dow Futures drop 600 pts on this. He has a special group of retards running the show behind the scenes.
I just saw this. Can’t even believe it. This guy’s response to everything is travel bans. He’s a fucking moron. And he missed the loophole of being able to stop over in the U.K. 

It also looks like he will extend the tax deadline from April 15. He should’ve just said “Taxation is Theft” and canceled it.
While I agree that a lot of what Trump does proves he's a fucking moron, I don't agree with you on this one whatsoever.  If you knew a murderer was in your neighborhood, you'd make sure every door and window was locked.  Coronavirus is a murderer - at least until they find some sort of successful vaccine (and the bastards better rush to market with it).   I think where Trump fucked up was that he didn't do this three weeks ago, and extend it to 60 days.  Like, on Feb 23 he could have made an announcement that as of March 1, no travel into the US from Europe could happen for 60 days.  That gives people a week to get back home to or from wherever in Europe they are or need to be.  And then lock it up - everybody has been preaching "containment", hell, the National Guard is 15 mins down the road in NewRoc.  The best form of containment is to keep those at risk out of the country.  It's not like it's a permanent ban - just a breather so that we could've gotten ready for this with the proper supplies, instead of people buying vanloads of toilet paper, purell, and Lysol and fucking over everybody else.  Get set up for it, and be completely prepared.  Because it's painfully obvious, we are not prepared.

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Fast and Furious 9' has been pushed back a year was to come out in May

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FOX 29 in Philadelphia is reporting the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, which housed last week's Elimination Chamber PPV, is closed to all but essential employees due to the coronavirus outbreak. A country music concert slated for the venue tonight will be postponed.

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NHL season is now postponed

Baseball Spring Training games in Florida & Arizona are expected to be suspended  2020 season to be delayed.    

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We have cases at work now...just found out. This will be a fun weekend charging, as I can guarantee you I"m going to get RN's bitching about who get stuck taking care. I have a feeling I"m going to end up writing up staff this weekend.

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The Rock 'n' Roll HOF scheduled for May 2 in Cleveland has been postponed.

At this point, it's pretty clear that there is nothing to do but watch Netflix for at least the next month.

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Practically everything that can is being cancelled, unlike anything I would imagine any of us have ever seen. Makes me wonder what information we aren’t being told??

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cookie32723 wrote: Practically everything that can is being cancelled, unlike anything I would imagine any of us have ever seen. Makes me wonder what information we aren’t being told??

Unless you are in England (or Wales; Scotland and N. Ireland have announced stricter measures), where nothing is being cancelled, with no real suggestion that they will be either. But, hey, Trumps says the UK gets an exception because they are dealing with the situation better than the rest of Europe.

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bpickering wrote: NHL season is now postponed

Baseball Spring Training games in Florida & Arizona are expected to be suspended  2020 season to be delayed.    

NHL has been paused and not canceled.

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All Broadway shows are now canceled.

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In good news for US sports fans, the XFL is continuing.

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Kriss wrote: In good news for US sports fans, the XFL is continuing.

Because they don’t exceed the 250 person gathering limit? 

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All schools statewide in Ohio are on a 3 week spring break starting Monday.

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All schools in Ontario closed til April.

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cookie32723 wrote: All schools statewide in Ohio are on a 3 week spring break starting Monday.
The ripple effect of this is maddening.  The fuck are two-working-parent households going to do?  Hopefully private companies are amenable to work-from-home situations.

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Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: In good news for US sports fans, the XFL is continuing.

Because they don’t exceed the 250 person gathering limit?
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XFL just shut down as well now

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Principal_Raditch wrote: XFL just shut down as well now
So does the XFL even survive this?  It’s just brutal timing for an upstart league whose ratings have plummeted every week for the last 6 weeks anyway. 

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Ugh, we are all going to be stuck home with nothing to do and they took all our beloved sports away lol.

If I am going to get it, I contracted it today as I was basically in the belly of the beast. Had a meeting in a hospital that had a testing center set up. Sketchy as fuck. Oh well we shall see what I reaped today in the next 14 days.

And to add to it, I have another meeting there again tomorrow.

You cannot find hand sanitizer if you're life depended on it (which it kinda does). And everyone seemed to catch on to buying rubbing alcohol and vitamin E and making your own. I was in a grocery store with a pharmacy and another stand alone pharmacy and they were sold out of everything, even the wet wipes.

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Australian GP cancelled.

Also one Premier League match off - Brighton v Arsenal. On the basis that the Arsenal manager has the virus. Others will doubtless follow.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Ugh, we are all going to be stuck home with nothing to do and they took all our beloved sports away lol.

If I am going to get it, I contracted it today as I was basically in the belly of the beast. Had a meeting in a hospital that had a testing center set up. Sketchy as fuck. Oh well we shall see what I reaped today in the next 14 days.

And to add to it, I have another meeting there again tomorrow.

You cannot find hand sanitizer if you're life depended on it (which it kinda does). And everyone seemed to catch on to buying rubbing alcohol and vitamin E and making your own. I was in a grocery store with a pharmacy and another stand alone pharmacy and they were sold out of everything, even the wet wipes.
Stop posting on this board. We don't want your liberal sickness.

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I was at a conference yesterday and today. Had at least five people come up and try to shake my hand even though we got an email ahead of time talking about practicing social distancing. Amazing how out of touch some people are. Pretty sweet though as they had these monster sized hand sanitizer stations, like a 55 gallon container with four pumps.

Went to Target tonight. Been on the +1 about stocking up on an emergency supply of food just in case. Spent $180 on pasta, tuna, soup, crackers, beans, granola bars, Rx bars, green beans. Hopefully we don’t have to use them “out of necessity”, but I put it all in a Sterilite container in the basement closet. So if the zombies come, you guys all come to my house and we’ll keep you fed for at least a couple of days.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Pretty much every NCAA conference basketball tournament will be played with a handful of fans and "essential personnel" in attendance. Same with March Madness. In MLB, Seattle and Oakland may be forced to play their first homestands at their AZ training facility. The NBA is expected to announce tomorrow that the rest of the regular season will be played without fans. Tonight's Utah/OKC game was postponed when one of the players came down with symptoms.


IT'S. THE. FUCKING. FLU. Jesus.

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Blazer wrote: I was at a conference yesterday and today. Had at least five people come up and try to shake my hand even though we got an email ahead of time talking about practicing social distancing. Amazing how out of touch some people are. Pretty sweet though as they had these monster sized hand sanitizer stations, like a 55 gallon container with four pumps.

Went to Target tonight. Been on the +1 about stocking up on an emergency supply of food just in case. Spent $180 on pasta, tuna, soup, crackers, beans, granola bars, Rx bars, green beans. Hopefully we don’t have to use them “out of necessity”, but I put it all in a Sterilite container in the basement closet. So if the zombies come, you guys all come to my house and we’ll keep you fed for at least a couple of days.


After living thru a hurricane we keep a decent supply on hand, I started buying some extra stuff a few weeks ago and made a sizable amazon order over the weekend for everything we felt like we still needed. Worse comes to worse the kids can have a can of whatever for a snack down the road if we don’t need it. 

I dropped by the store this morning for a few items and the place was packed and by the afternoon neighborhood moms were telling my wife it was crazy busy. 


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For those of you tracking how this is progressing, be careful with which interactive map you use. I was reading there are malware and computer viruses being disguised as interactive maps of this thing, so be careful not to fuck up your pc or phone.

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So I heard from one of my coworkers, that family members of patients have been trying to steal isolation masks from our carts for patients who have Cdiff/MRSA/VRE etc... We have carts set up in front of those rooms which have gloves masks and gowns as default. They caught some woman trying to remove teh whole box of masks from one. So now the masks are in our med rooms which can only be accessed with our badges.

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Franchise wrote: Blazer wrote: I was at a conference yesterday and today. Had at least five people come up and try to shake my hand even though we got an email ahead of time talking about practicing social distancing. Amazing how out of touch some people are. Pretty sweet though as they had these monster sized hand sanitizer stations, like a 55 gallon container with four pumps.

Went to Target tonight. Been on the +1 about stocking up on an emergency supply of food just in case. Spent $180 on pasta, tuna, soup, crackers, beans, granola bars, Rx bars, green beans. Hopefully we don’t have to use them “out of necessity”, but I put it all in a Sterilite container in the basement closet. So if the zombies come, you guys all come to my house and we’ll keep you fed for at least a couple of days.


After living thru a hurricane we keep a decent supply on hand, I started buying some extra stuff a few weeks ago and made a sizable amazon order over the weekend for everything we felt like we still needed. Worse comes to worse the kids can have a can of whatever for a snack down the road if we don’t need it. 




Yeah, and I was kinda working on the same premise with the +1.  If this blows over, we've got 12 cans of chicken noodle soup that are good until 2021, no biggie.  We'll use it all eventually.  Probably need to stock up some more.  But we at least have maybe a decent couple of weeks worth of "reserve food", granted no fruits or veggies.

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It just hit the wire that Justin Trudeau's wife has it....


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Principal_Raditch wrote: So I heard from one of my coworkers, that family members of patients have been trying to steal isolation masks from our carts for patients who have Cdiff/MRSA/VRE etc... We have carts set up in front of those rooms which have gloves masks and gowns as default. They caught some woman trying to remove teh whole box of masks from one. So now the masks are in our med rooms which can only be accessed with our badges.

Tell me this Mounta. Someone in their late 50's, has T2D and struggles with cdiff at least 2 times a year....If they get covid-19 is it going to be a death sentance?
That's my ex girlfriend's Mother. I'm really worried about her. She is the first person I thought of when I found out this flu kills. I'm not in contact with her, but I still worry. This is fucked up.

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Rest of the XFL season is canceled

Walt Disney world is closed along with Disneyland and Disney land Paris

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There is no doubt about it, Justin Trudeau is now going to test positive too..And their kids.

Nascar and Indycar are still going ahead with their races this weekend with no spectators. I know Nascar is having limited media access to the drivers. No paddock interviews for practice and qualifying. After the race they are going to do the press conferences with the drivers over video. Something like Skype. I wonder what the celebration will be like for whoever wins.

Nascar has three races this weekend at Atlanta Motor Speedway. The truck series in the early afternoon on Saturday, followed by the Xfinity Series later on around supper time. The big race, the Cup Series race is on Sunday afternoon.

IndyCar's Grand Prix of St. Petersburg Florida is on Sunday afternoon. The race takes place through the streets of St. Pete. No spectators.

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Pardon my ignorance (that applies to most of my posts, I know), but what is a "paddock interview"?

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khawk wrote: Pardon my ignorance (that applies to most of my posts, I know), but what is a "paddock interview"?
I think it refers to an area of the pit where the press could talk to drivers up close.

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First four GPs all off. First one may be the Dutch GP at the start of May. But more likely to be the end.

Also all football here off till at least 4 April.

They even had football during the war, so that's serious.

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Not that I'd want to wish a bad case of Covid-19 on anyone, but maybe this guy...

https://time.com/5802437/alex-jones-stop-hawking-phony-coronavirus-treatments-ny-attorney-general/

(NEW YORK) — New York’s attorney general is demanding that conspiracy monger Alex Jones stop hawking phony coronavirus treatments.

Attorney General Letita James’ office sent a cease-and-desist letter Thursday saying it’s “extremely concerned” by Jones’ claims that toothpaste, dietary supplements, creams, and other products sold on his website can prevent and cure the disease, known as COVID-19.

Jones, known for pushing conspiracy theories about school shootings and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, touted the products on his radio show last week, according to the letter.

No treatments or vaccines have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and the National Institutes of Health says there is no scientific evidence to suggest alternative remedies can prevent or cure the illness.

“As the coronavirus continues to pose serious risks to public health, Alex Jones has spewed outright lies and has profited off of New Yorkers’ anxieties,” said James, a Democrat.

An email seeking comment was sent to a media mailbox on Jones’ website, InfoWars.com. The 46-year-old was arrested on Tuesday on a charge of driving while intoxicated.

The cease-and-desist letter to Jones was the fourth that James’ office has issued this week regarding fake coronavirus products. One ordered televangelist Jim Bakker to stop selling a purported coronavirus cure. The state of Missouri sued Bakker this week over the sales.

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So after mass cancellations everywhere over the last 48 hours, will we start to see things slow down? Seems everything being cancelled caused the mass hysteria at the grocery stores with empty shelves. Obviously it will take awhile for us to get back to normal life, but I wonder now with everything being cancelled and no more breaking stories seemingly every minute perhaps we can get back to a new normal while we get through whatever this is.

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I don’t think it’s going to slow down much, while major events are cancelled people are still eating out, working and hanging out with one another. With the 14 day incubation period it’s likely people will be spreading it around those places.


As soon as the school closure announcement came out yesterday the neighborhood Facebook started talking about block parties. I was all about having a good time during hurricane Harvey but My family isnt partying during this.

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Franchise wrote: As soon as the school closure announcement came out yesterday the neighborhood Facebook started talking about block parties. I was all about having a good time during hurricane Harvey but My family isnt partying during this.
I think they may have missed the point...

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Franchise wrote: I don’t think it’s going to slow down much, while major events are cancelled people are still eating out, working and hanging out with one another. With the 14 day incubation period it’s likely people will be spreading it around those places.


As soon as the school closure announcement came out yesterday the neighborhood Facebook started talking about block parties. I was all about having a good time during hurricane Harvey but My family isnt partying during this.

Welcome to Cincinnati! 😐

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I was totally down with grillin and drinking during the hurricane but this seems a little irresponsible. Don’t get me wrong I bought extra pellets for my grill and I’ll be having a fine time if we go full quarantine but I’m not taking any more risk then necessary

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Franchise wrote: I was totally down with grillin and drinking during the hurricane but this seems a little irresponsible. Don’t get me wrong I bought extra pellets for my grill and I’ll be having a fine time if we go full quarantine but I’m not taking any more risk then necessary
I bought lots of vodka and during my wife's 6am supermarket visit this morning (because lines are 2 hours long after work) she bought Coke as a mixer for rum.  My son has strawberry milk.  And that's our weekend I guess.  

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cookie32723 wrote: So after mass cancellations everywhere over the last 48 hours, will we start to see things slow down? Seems everything being cancelled caused the mass hysteria at the grocery stores with empty shelves. Obviously it will take awhile for us to get back to normal life, but I wonder now with everything being cancelled and no more breaking stories seemingly every minute perhaps we can get back to a new normal while we get through whatever this is.
This is so much crazier than 9/11.  9/11 was different of course, a lot more sorrow, but other than that life in NYC pretty much went on within days.  This feels very different, very eerie.  And people handled 9/11 so much more calmly.  They're just insane now.  Is this a product of social media?  Are we become just that much more awful and stupid as a species in the last 20 years?

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The answer to both those questions is a qualified "Yes". Qualified because the over-reaction in the supermarkets and whatnot is a product of this, but in the end it may turn out that those that panicked early were right.

And because nobody is sure either way, the hysteria keeps ramping up. Is it stupid? Right now, yes. But maybe not in a month, if that makes sense.

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The hysteria has affected my family pretty closely, not from an infection standpoint but because of cancellations. My daughter plays on the #16 ranked soccer team in the country for her age group and we were set to travel to Virginia this weekend for a huge tournament against some top flight teams. Of course it was cancelled and all of her league games in both leagues they play in are cancelled as well as practices for the next month. It’s not the end of the world by any means, but it certainly sucks as it’s hard to find good competition in Ohio for her team so tournaments like this one are a big deal, and she has a huge tryout at the end of this spring and to where if she makes the team she will have a helluva shot at playing in college. 

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srossi wrote: cookie32723 wrote: So after mass cancellations everywhere over the last 48 hours, will we start to see things slow down? Seems everything being cancelled caused the mass hysteria at the grocery stores with empty shelves. Obviously it will take awhile for us to get back to normal life, but I wonder now with everything being cancelled and no more breaking stories seemingly every minute perhaps we can get back to a new normal while we get through whatever this is.
This is so much crazier than 9/11.  9/11 was different of course, a lot more sorrow, but other than that life in NYC pretty much went on within days.  This feels very different, very eerie.  And people handled 9/11 so much more calmly.  They're just insane now.  Is this a product of social media?  Are we become just that much more awful and stupid as a species in the last 20 years?


A lot of it is due to social media, because it enables faster communication between more people spread over greater distances. It also provides an outlet for misinformation and rumor mongering. The media also whips things up because there isn't enough happening to fill 24 hour news channels. It results in the same things being hammered over and over again while minor items unworthy of coverage or only worthy of minor coverage get the spotlight treatment.

I think the lack of calm in comparison to 9/11 boils down to this. Jets crashing into skyscrapers was an unthinkable occurrence that had never happened before and seemed unlikely to happen again soon, if ever. Not long afterwards, no one rationally believed they'd be in jeopardy by going into a tall building and when flights resumed, security had never been higher, inspiring confidence. 

Anyone can catch a virus. It makes people feel vulnerable in a way terrorism doesn't. That this virus likely won't be fatal to the vast majority of those who get it and that the overwhelming majority of the population won't get it at all doesn't matter. People get afraid and go to that dark place that makes them fear touching a door handle at a public building and sucker punch complete strangers to get the last package of toilet paper.

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It reminds me of the week before a potential hurricane.

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4 just tested positive in the Cincy area. I bet the stores are really going to go crazy now

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Franchise wrote: 4 just tested positive in the Cincy area. I bet the stores are really going to go crazy now
Yep just saw this, buckle up shits about to get crazy here.

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Nascar cancels races for at least 2 weeks

Indycar cancels races threw April 

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My office announced that starting Monday we’re all working from home every day for the next 4 weeks.

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All Schools in Pennsylvania now closed for 2 weeks starting Monday by order of the Governor

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NYC has shut down all libraries for the rest of the month (at least). Good thing I returned my collection of short stories by Faulkner yesterday.

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Franchise wrote: Trump announcement at 3p today

Trump declares a national emergency.



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I was at the gym early this morning. Usually between 5-7 am it's pretty busy, then tapers off at 7 as people head to work. I'd guess somewhere between 75-100 people on average. There were maybe 20-25 today. It's going to be interesting to see how much this alters GDP forecasts for the year, as contraction seems inevitable. Anything tourism, travel and entertainment is getting hammered, so you have to figure layoffs are coming

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3% reduction in GDP forecast in the UK. Also Delta, Norwegian, and Lufthansa are all going cap in hand to their governments to keep going. Air Korea is struggling and even British Airways is worried.

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Just got notice that I'm unemployed for 3 weeks. Time to continue building that toilet paper fort I started in my basement!

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I work at the biggest hospital on Long Island. We were doing car side triages all day. There were a different lanes. One was for "normal" people who were there on hospital business or employees. One was for Emergencies not related to corona symptoms. Lastly was one for folks who think they might have the corona. It didn't stop all day long.

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broke wrote: Just got notice that I'm unemployed for 3 weeks. Time to continue building that toilet paper fort I started in my basement!
That sucks. Are you able to collect unemployment benefits or whatever it's called in Murica? 
For people affected in that way in Canada I believe Trudope announced that the wait period after applying is being waived.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: broke wrote: Just got notice that I'm unemployed for 3 weeks. Time to continue building that toilet paper fort I started in my basement!
That sucks. Are you able to collect unemployment benefits or whatever it's called in Murica? 
For people affected in that way in Canada I believe Trudope announced that the wait period after applying is being waived.
broke is in Canada so he can get UI

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I had part of the time booked as vacation, so I'll get paid in full for that. Apparently we (I) will still be answering emails and what not so I'll be working from home for 2 weeks after that.......

Ted Cruz quarantined, Alex Jones arrested and now this, every cloud had it's silver linings!

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Louisiana shut down schools for a month. A month....

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Quattro wrote: Louisiana shut down schools for a month. A month....
Schools here in Berlin are closed for 5 weeks, but the last two weeks of that are the Easter break.

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Quattro wrote: Louisiana shut down schools for a month. A month....
What are they doing to keep the high school kids out of the streets as the days get warmer? Highly unlikely that they'll just stay home if there's no school for them for a long period.

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They are supposedly starting online classes in a week. We shall see.

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silentkiller wrote: Quattro wrote: Louisiana shut down schools for a month. A month....
What are they doing to keep the high school kids out of the streets as the days get warmer? Highly unlikely that they'll just stay home if there's no school for them for a long period.
I 'll tell ya what those high school kids will be doing. They'll be listening to that jazz music and dancing with the colored. Disgusting.

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By me, people who don't appear to actually use sanitizer, toilet paper, or drink water were buying it all up.

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Gil Wilcox wrote: By me, people who don't appear to actually use sanitizer, toilet paper, or drink water were buying it all up.
It is quite funny how hysteria affects people. A lot of people, especially men, don't wash their hands, and a lot of people get multiple colds/flu every year. This won't hit most people any harder than a flu, but now it's MUST WASH HANDS! But I bet they aren't actually washing their hands any more than usual (never), they are just hoarding the sanitiser.

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So far this afternoon I’m hearing a few cities in New York and New Jersey and closing down restaurants, bars and setting a curfew.



Also hearing Germany is closing its borders.



Also hearing that domestic travel may be shut down.

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‪Latest #COVID19 numbers from the PA Department of Health:‬

‪• 63 positive cases in PA‬
‪• 6 of the 63 confirmed by CDC‬
‪• 446 people identified for testing ‬
‪• 205 tested negative ‬
‪• 183 tests pending‬

3000 cases in US

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I go out so little I didn’t even realize it but we have a curfew in our area of 9pm for bars and restaurants.

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Franchise wrote: I go out so little I didn’t even realize it but we have a curfew in our area of 9pm for bars and restaurants.
No actually all bars and restaurants are being closed temporarily starting at 9pm tonight. Carry out only for all food from this point forward. 

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Finally, Cuomo announcing that they have to close NYC public schools this week. But not tomorrow. He’s giving NYC 24 hours to come up with a plan, so schools will close Tuesday or Wednesday. My wife’s first reaction is that absolutely no one is going to show up tomorrow. Even the closure announcement is being handled poorly.

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The Federal Reserve made an emergency interest rate cut to zero on Sunday, a dramatic step meant to make borrowing as cheap as possible for American households and businesses as the coronavirus brings the U.S. economy to a near standstill.


The benchmark U.S. interest rate is now in a range of 0 to 0.25 percent, down from a range of 1 to 1.25 percent. The cut effectively brings the nation’s interest rate to zero as President Trump has urged for months. The Fed also announced it is re-starting “quantitative easing," a central bank did in the aftermath of the Great Recession to try to get money flowing again in markets and the broader economy.


The actions came as the economy was hurtling toward a recession as the coronavirus outbreak shut down wide swaths of U.S. society. The Fed vowed Sunday to “use its full range of tools” to support the economy and the “smooth functioning of markets.”

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My son's school has a 1/2 day on Monday and will be close until the 27th for now, with the provision that they can stay closed for a longer period of time.

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Franchise wrote: So far this afternoon I’m hearing a few cities in New York and New Jersey and closing down restaurants, bars and setting a curfew.



Also hearing Germany is closing its borders.



Also hearing that domestic travel may be shut down.

A co-worker of my Wife's Daughter works for Olive Garden in Cherry Hill ( very busy area) and they were sent home the other night when they had only 14 customers the entire day.

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NY closing all bars, restaurants, nightclubs, etc. as of tonight. Rumors that we're about to go on total lockdown other than doctor's offices and perhaps grocery stores.

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Gov. Tom Wolf of PA has ordered a statewide shutdown effective midnight tonight. This includes all bars and restaurants, with the exception of takeout meals.

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I work a part time job at s pizza joint- offers takeout but the whole ‘no sitting and eating’ is completely ignorrd

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bpickering wrote: Gov. Tom Wolf of PA has ordered a statewide shutdown effective midnight tonight. This includes all bars and restaurants, with the exception of takeout meals.
In NY take-out alcohol now allowed!  Cuomo is like, "Well don't expect this after the emergency is over."  And why not?  If we can do it to try to keep bars in business and the world doesn't end, why not every day?  This crisis is really showing the completely arbitrary laws that we live under just for the sake of having laws.

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Idris Elba of "The Wire" has tested positive.

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srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Gov. Tom Wolf of PA has ordered a statewide shutdown effective midnight tonight. This includes all bars and restaurants, with the exception of takeout meals.
In NY take-out alcohol now allowed!  Cuomo is like, "Well don't expect this after the emergency is over."  And why not?  If we can do it to try to keep bars in business and the world doesn't end, why not every day?  This crisis is really showing the completely arbitrary laws that we live under just for the sake of having laws.

What IS the basis of that law?  Has to be regarding public nuisances, right? Like, they don't want people walking down the middle of the street with open booze?

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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Gov. Tom Wolf of PA has ordered a statewide shutdown effective midnight tonight. This includes all bars and restaurants, with the exception of takeout meals.
In NY take-out alcohol now allowed!  Cuomo is like, "Well don't expect this after the emergency is over."  And why not?  If we can do it to try to keep bars in business and the world doesn't end, why not every day?  This crisis is really showing the completely arbitrary laws that we live under just for the sake of having laws.

What IS the basis of that law?  Has to be regarding public nuisances, right? Like, they don't want people walking down the middle of the street with open booze?

The basis for the law is that politicians need to make up laws to feel useful, and sheep feel better when they think their elected officials are doing "something".  That covers 99% of our laws.

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Levi's is the first retail company that I've heard of that is closing all locations through at least March 27 and committing to pay workers during this period.

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beejmi wrote: Just watched the Philly ‘Coronavirus’ press conference

They all touched the microphone 
I think it's more out of habit than anything else. For example, the family and I like to watch Live PD. This weekend, the cops were constantly shaking hands with skells. It was crazy, especially considering cops don't like to shake non-cop's hands to begin with. Every time their was a handshake, the wife and I just looked at each other like, "What the hell are they thinking?"

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Is New Jersey the first state to strongly suggest a state wide curfew?

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Heenan Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Just watched the Philly ‘Coronavirus’ press conference

They all touched the microphone 
I think it's more out of habit than anything else. For example, the family and I like to watch Live PD. This weekend, the cops were constantly shaking hands with skells. It was crazy, especially considering cops don't like to shake non-cop's hands to begin with. Every time their was a handshake, the wife and I just looked at each other like, "What the hell are they thinking?"


What is a skell? 

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: bpickering wrote: Gov. Tom Wolf of PA has ordered a statewide shutdown effective midnight tonight. This includes all bars and restaurants, with the exception of takeout meals.
In NY take-out alcohol now allowed!  Cuomo is like, "Well don't expect this after the emergency is over."  And why not?  If we can do it to try to keep bars in business and the world doesn't end, why not every day?  This crisis is really showing the completely arbitrary laws that we live under just for the sake of having laws.

What IS the basis of that law?  Has to be regarding public nuisances, right? Like, they don't want people walking down the middle of the street with open booze?

The basis for the law is that politicians need to make up laws to feel useful, and sheep feel better when they think their elected officials are doing "something".  That covers 99% of our laws.


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Franchise wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Just watched the Philly ‘Coronavirus’ press conference

They all touched the microphone 
I think it's more out of habit than anything else. For example, the family and I like to watch Live PD. This weekend, the cops were constantly shaking hands with skells. It was crazy, especially considering cops don't like to shake non-cop's hands to begin with. Every time their was a handshake, the wife and I just looked at each other like, "What the hell are they thinking?"


What is a skell? 
A term cops use to describe potential perps. Even if its an innocent person who just gets pulled over for whatever reason.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Just watched the Philly ‘Coronavirus’ press conference

They all touched the microphone 
I think it's more out of habit than anything else. For example, the family and I like to watch Live PD. This weekend, the cops were constantly shaking hands with skells. It was crazy, especially considering cops don't like to shake non-cop's hands to begin with. Every time their was a handshake, the wife and I just looked at each other like, "What the hell are they thinking?"


What is a skell? 
A term cops use to describe potential perps. Even if its an innocent person who just gets pulled over for whatever reason.
Not where I grew up. A skell was used exclusively to describe a filthy vagrant. And I'm using "filthy" in a literal sense. Some poor schmuck who is so destitute he hasn't had a shower or washed his clothes for a month.

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My SIL lives in East Orange NJ. Im sure she's going to love being told she needs to be home by 8 pm

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Principal_Raditch wrote: My SIL lives in East Orange NJ. Im sure she's going to love being told she needs to be home by 8 pm
What’s a SIL and how does it differ from a skell?

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srossi wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: My SIL lives in East Orange NJ. Im sure she's going to love being told she needs to be home by 8 pm
What’s a SIL and how does it differ from a skell?
It’s “sister in law” you silly...and in a lot of families, it’s no different than a skell.

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WongLee wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: beejmi wrote: Just watched the Philly ‘Coronavirus’ press conference

They all touched the microphone 
I think it's more out of habit than anything else. For example, the family and I like to watch Live PD. This weekend, the cops were constantly shaking hands with skells. It was crazy, especially considering cops don't like to shake non-cop's hands to begin with. Every time their was a handshake, the wife and I just looked at each other like, "What the hell are they thinking?"


What is a skell? 
A term cops use to describe potential perps. Even if its an innocent person who just gets pulled over for whatever reason.
Not where I grew up. A skell was used exclusively to describe a filthy vagrant. And I'm using "filthy" in a literal sense. Some poor schmuck who is so destitute he hasn't had a shower or washed his clothes for a month.
You're not wrong, I'm just saying that where I grew up, the cops consider anyone who doesn't make at least $40,000 a year a skell.

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srossi wrote: Idris Elba of "The Wire" has tested positive.

I was kind of expecting this news as he was shown in a photo with Justin Trudeau's wife (who was just diagnosed a few days ago) at some recent function in London....Also in that picture, Lewis Hamilton. He has won five of the last six Formula 1 world championships.

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I just seen on the ESPN ticker that all Las Vegas casinos/hotels will close. An estimated $400,000,000 was lost with the NCAA March Madness Tournament being cancelled.

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MLB has pushed back opening day to mid-May at the earliest.


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The Kentucky Derby has officially been postponed. No announcement of the possible future date. It could mean that the KD could be the 2nd or even 3rd race of the Triple Crown this year.

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Im afraid our economy is already irreparably damaged. If predictions are correct that UBI will be instituted soon and rent and mortgage suspended as well as public utilities, the only thing at the end looks to be full blown communism and government theft of any remaining assets held privately. A return to the gold standard or full blown communism will be our only choices and both choices tell me that americans wont be fat anymore.

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I'm new to this thread. Just read the whole thing, Go back and review some of the early comments of some here if you want a chuckle.

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Jeez, Port and Yellowdog post back to back. The world really is coming to an end!!

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Heenan Fan wrote: MLB has pushed back opening day to mid-May at the earliest.

I have a friend who works for MLB Network and he said he's hearing Memorial Day weekend.  Rather than a significantly shortened season, I really hope we just get more double-headers like in the good old days, but the union will never agree to that.

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Cuomo saying the peak is probably 45 days away. Not sure what that is worth but it’s out there.

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Some of the officials making predictions come off like the oddsmakers with ads on sports talk radio.

"Call now to get our guaranteed power play! We hit the over/under on Coronavirus cases in Chicago for three straight days! Dial 1-900-COVID-19 right now, we guarantee our power play pick of the day will be a winner!"

In some ways I think they actually exacerbate the problem because the overwhelming majority of people who will contract this virus will survive and many will not ever be counted officially because they won't seek medical attention due to the mildness of their symptoms. They might not even know they are sick. 

The problem with officials deliberately terrifying people is that it leads to people seeking medical attention who aren't ill with the coronavirus at all or who have mild cases and ought to just spend a day or two in bed at home, after which they'll recover. The resulting furor leads to resources being diverted from those in need and places hospitals and clinics under unnecessary strain.

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Franchise wrote: Cuomo saying the peak is probably 45 days away. Not sure what that is worth but it’s out there.

I don't know, but I'm starting to feel that all the closures, curfews and social isolation (I can't stand those words for some reason) will flatten this thing out as opposed to the severe plateau predictions.
I agree with Port, the economy will be the biggest thing to come out of this. I think China is going to come out way stronger than before and the United States will lose a huge amount of influence around the world, with the dollar losing much of its value. A huge amount of small business owners are going to lose everything and the large businesses will once again be bailed out by the government. The airlines are screwed. The cruise ship industry may be no more, or at least it will be severely downsized. That's tricky too as the government coffers will be severely depleted. Get ready to pay a lot more taxes because the middle class is going to pay for this whole mess.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: Cuomo saying the peak is probably 45 days away. Not sure what that is worth but it’s out there.

I don't know, but I'm starting to feel that all the closures, curfews and social isolation (I can't stand those words for some reason) will flatten this thing out as opposed to the severe plateau predictions.
I agree with Port, the economy will be the biggest thing to come out of this. I think China is going to come out way stronger than before and the United States will lose a huge amount of influence around the world, with the dollar losing much of its value. A huge amount of small business owners are going to lose everything and the large businesses will once again be bailed out by the government. The airlines are screwed. The cruise ship industry may be no more, or at least it will be severely downsized. That's tricky too as the government coffers will be severely depleted. Get ready to pay a lot more taxes because the middle class is going to pay for this whole mess.


Is China back to work?

I imagine the Dow is going to bounce back lie crazy at the end of this but I agree I think the small businesses for the most part are going to be wiped out. 

I hope on the other side of this people will see the value of manufacturing in house. 

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I saw something the other day saying that cases of the bird flu have been diagnosed in China recently.

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The alternative to the economy being permanently damaged is that when people can finally do the things they want to do like eat out, go to the movies, go to sporting events, spend on fun consumer items, take vacations, and so on, the release of the pent up demand will spur a decent recovery.

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Franchise wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Franchise wrote: Cuomo saying the peak is probably 45 days away. Not sure what that is worth but it’s out there.

I don't know, but I'm starting to feel that all the closures, curfews and social isolation (I can't stand those words for some reason) will flatten this thing out as opposed to the severe plateau predictions.
I agree with Port, the economy will be the biggest thing to come out of this. I think China is going to come out way stronger than before and the United States will lose a huge amount of influence around the world, with the dollar losing much of its value. A huge amount of small business owners are going to lose everything and the large businesses will once again be bailed out by the government. The airlines are screwed. The cruise ship industry may be no more, or at least it will be severely downsized. That's tricky too as the government coffers will be severely depleted. Get ready to pay a lot more taxes because the middle class is going to pay for this whole mess.


Is China back to work?

I imagine the Dow is going to bounce back lie crazy at the end of this but I agree I think the small businesses for the most part are going to be wiped out. 

I hope on the other side of this people will see the value of manufacturing in house. 


I read something this morning about China now is producing a huge amount of air pollution due to the factories working around the clock trying to make up for all the lost time.

That reminded me, I was watching some news story last night and they mentioned that the waterways in Venice are cleaner than they have been in decades and decades due to the lost tourism from all the cruise ships that dock there each week. 

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Kansas schools closed for the rest of the school year

https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronavirus/all-kansas-public-schools-cease-in-person-classes-for-the-rest-of-the-year-governor-says-amid-pandemic/

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Kevin Durant easily becomes the 2nd most famous person to test positive, behind only Tom Hanks. I feel like it spread through the NBA more than anyone is willing to let on.  The Nets say they have 4 players who definitely have it but are keeping the other names anonymous. 

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Vegas has finally shut down. All casinos and nightclubs are closed for at least 30 days. When the total bill comes for the economic devastation this has caused, it will be ten times more than anything ever seen before even accounting for inflation.

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srossi wrote: Vegas has finally shut down. All casinos and nightclubs are closed for at least 30 days. When the total bill comes for the economic devastation this has caused, it will be ten times more than anything ever seen before even accounting for inflation.I already posted this.

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When we get the all clear are people going to rush back to sporting events, concerts and conventions or is this going to leave a lasting impact that changes the way we function?

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It probably depends on how long this goes and how many people end up dying, I would guess.

Plus if the economic impact devistates enough people live sporting events could become
Even more of a luxury than they are now to attend live (depending on the sport). Many many People probably won't have the cash for as much for quite a while.

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Trump has finally achieved his dream of closing the border...the Canadian border that is. Only "essential" travel will be allowed indefinitely. This is supposedly a mutual agreement between the two countries. This restricts only travel, not trade.

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USA Today:

Most Americans can get a three-month reprieve to pay their income taxes for 2019, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Tuesday in a press conference.

The IRS will postpone the April 15 tax deadline by 90 days for millions of individuals who owe $1 million or less and corporations that owe $10 million or less, he said.

To be sure, Americans still have to meet the April 15 deadline if they are expecting a refund or are requesting a six-month extension, but they can defer payment for up to 90 days beyond that.

"We encourage those Americans who can file their taxes to continue to file their taxes on April 15 because for many Americans, you will get tax refunds and we don't want you to lose out on those tax refunds," Mnuchin said. "We want you to make sure you get them."

"All you have to do is file your taxes," Mnuchin said. "You'll automatically not get charged interest and penalties."

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Dow now back in Obama territory....

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From 30,000 to under 20,000 in a couple of weeks. I’d really love a crystal ball to see where it will be at the end of the year. This could be the correction the market has desperately needed for years to truly get healthy, or it could be the beginning of the next Great Recession.

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A recession seems inevitable, but I do think a subsequent recovery will occur because of the pent up demand people will have to live life again following this period of austere hermitism.

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tamalie wrote: A recession seems inevitable, but I do think a subsequent recovery will occur because of the pent up demand people will have to live life again following this period of austere hermitism.
For many that's true, but for others they won't have the money to do anything for a while.  The waiters, bartenders, Uber drivers, etc. are going to be destitute, and then you have the small businesses that will go under and the big businesses that will start laying people off.  It's going to be a mess and unemployment is going to spike.  Those of us still getting our full salaries to work from home are fortunate, but I wonder what percentage that will be when this all shakes out.  The funny thing is, it will take a while after events re-start to see the effects, but no one is offering refunds and you are pretty much obligated to attend the rescheduled dates (God forbid Ticketmaster takes the hit instead of the average Joe) so those are locked in.  But then people won't buy anything additional for a long time. 

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Macy's now closing for the next 2 weeks, will continue to pay employees.

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NM has decided drive thru food only. Bars are closed but liquor stores are still open for now. School is closed indefinately and there is talk of closing off the state borders.

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Portalesman wrote: NM has decided drive thru food only. Bars are closed but liquor stores are still open for now. School is closed indefinately and there is talk of closing off the state borders.
Kansas city is now also drive thru or pickup. Kansas has already shut down the schools for the remainder of the year. I was planning on going back to Toronto for my 50th in June, but for now, since both sides of the border are limiting traffic to needed movement, I'm not going to take the chance and book travel only to find out that it's still limited 3 months from now. Im guessing the only way I head back is if someone is actively dying for the near future. 
I'm also doing something I vowed I'd never do as long as I didn't have to financially...and that's pick up extra shifts. We're so desperate now for staffing, that at least through the next 4 weeks (although I suspect it will go on longer) they're offering incentive to work extra shifts. Since I'm on a weekend program, picking up midweek shouldn't really make a big difference in terms of getting worn down. Since it'll be time and a half and an additional $25/hr on top of that, it's pretty much worth it to do it here and there to alleviate the staff situation.

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New York is sounding pretty wild; Navy medical ships being moved in, Talk of a shelter in place being issued.

How is it for you that are there?

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Very sad. As posted in the Dead Pool thread:

Francisco Garcia, a Spanish junior league soccer coach, has died of Coronavirus at only 21. He becomes one of the youngest casualties of the virus. Garcia thought he was healthy but actually had undiagnosed leukemia and succumbed quickly to the virus.

A club statement read: "We want to express our deepest condolences to the family, friends and close friends of our coach Francisco Garcia who has left us, unfortunately. Now what do we do without you, Francis? How are we going to continue conquering in the league? We don't know how, but we will surely do it for you. We will not forget you, rest in peace, phenomenon. Until forever."

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Franchise wrote: New York is sounding pretty wild; Navy medical ships being moved in, Talk of a shelter in place being issued.

How is it for you that are there?

My wife is at school finishing her training for “online learning”, which will be a shit-show. The expectation is that as soon as that training finishes today, DeBlasio will issue the shelter-in-place order. But Cuomo seems to be fighting it. We have city and state leadership that despises each other (even though they’re all Democrats) and this has brought out the worst in them. The citizens are mostly calm but our politicians are making fools of themselves. Anyway, we finally had no choice but to buy in bulk the last few days, something I have a absolutely never done before. With everyone else panic-buying and our movements possibly restricted, we had no choice, especially for our son. We just have food and supplies everywhere now. Our pantry and basement is overflowing with the stuff we couldn’t fit in our kitchen. Communication has been poor and contradictory and no one knows what things will look like here after the teachers come home at 3pm today. My son is at daycare while I work from home but he will probably stay home with us after today, whether it’s our choice or the city’s, that’s probably what we’ll do. I don’t know how we will both work from home and be expected to do all that entails with a 3-year old running around. 

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Our kids are older but it’s busy at our house. We have a home office and it was set up for both of us to have the ability to work home but simultaneously all day everyday is getting to be a little cramped.

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Franchise wrote: Our kids are older but it’s busy at our house. We have a home office and it was set up for both of us to have the ability to work home but simultaneously all day everyday is getting to be a little cramped.
I have an office upstairs and my wife has one in the basement but the basement is a mess right now and no one can watch our son from there, so we’re probably going to wind up in the living room just with our laptops. 

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I'm working from home, which is cool, I do it occasionally anyway but damn, I do sort of miss my routine. I usually get up at 6:30 but this week I've been rolling out of bed around 8:30 and just strolling into my home office and logging in to check emails then just working sporadically through the day. I'm damned lucky to have the job I do but I never thought I'd say this, I long for when its' back to normal and I have to go punch in each day..

BTW, off/on topic, we just had (our accounting week runs Thur-Wed) our best sales week of the year this week. We're crushing it and that's even with maybe 5-6% of our accounts shutting down this week or telling us we aren't allowed in to service our machines or markets. Everyone else is still snacking like crazy. I figure we have one more week of great sales before tons of our manufacturing shuts down indefinitely though..

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Franchise wrote: Stress snacking
yep. Yesterday I did up a spreadsheet for bulk drop-shipment buying, some of the accounts that aren't allowing us in anymore we're going to offer that to them. We'll bill them and then deliver it to the building and they can bring it in and offer it to their employees. That may be what keeps our doors open in a few more weeks, I don't think our sales will hold more than another week before most business' shut down..

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Conan O’Brien is trying this:

I am going back on the air Monday, March 30th. All my staff will work from home, I will shoot at home using an iPhone, and my guests will Skype. This will not be pretty, but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe.

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he's still on the air?!?!

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srossi wrote: Conan O’Brien is trying this:

I am going back on the air Monday, March 30th. All my staff will work from home, I will shoot at home using an iPhone, and my guests will Skype. This will not be pretty, but feel free to laugh at our attempt. Stay safe.


I only watch these guys on YouTube. I've been watching Colbert and Trevor Noah do daily shows (I know Colbert is going on hiatus now), and John Oliver doing his weekly show from home. Are these internet only or are they on regular TV as well?

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Oliver doesn't appear to be on HBO this coming week. Not sure if thats because of all this or it's a planned week off, his shoes schedule is often sporadic from my perspective.

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khawk wrote: Oliver doesn't appear to be on HBO this coming week. Not sure if thats because of all this or it's a planned week off, his shoes schedule is often sporadic from my perspective.
Oliver said that Sunday's show would be the last for the the foreseeable future.

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Wouldn’t today’s spring breakers be socialist Bernie boys? Why would they listen to the “Orange man bad”?

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I feel for you guys with young children who need to be watched and monitored closely all the time. Then on top of that you have to try and get some work done.


So who has some older folks, family, friends, etc; that you are worrying about?

For me it is just my Father who turns 68 next month. He is a half a pack to a full pack a day smoker. He is retired and has been staying in all this week now. Usually him and his retired buddies go out everyday and hang out at Tim Horton's for a few hours, but that got put on hold Sunday.

I have a a few other relatives that aren't in the best of health with diabetes and various other conditions that I worry about to. As long as they stay home and have someone else pick shit up for them I think they will be fine...At least I hope so.

Stay safe guys, it's pretty surreal out there now.

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In NY Cuomo just suspended mortgage payments, student loan payments, ATM fees...just about everything. This is now becoming a big excuse for trying socialism without an election.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Our kids are older but it’s busy at our house. We have a home office and it was set up for both of us to have the ability to work home but simultaneously all day everyday is getting to be a little cramped.
I have an office upstairs and my wife has one in the basement but the basement is a mess right now and no one can watch our son from there, so we’re probably going to wind up in the living room just with our laptops. 

My wife also has to work from home since Travel is pretty much not happening for her outside the country at the moment. Normally no big deal, but because I work weekends and usually have the house to myself Mon-Fri, she's taken over the living room for her work, and I'm relegated to the bedroom to watch TV

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My mom is 92 and she is h as happy sitting at home knitting and watching game shows.
Except for grocery and drug stores the bay area is on lock down. Took the dogs for a walk this morning and neighborhood was super quiet. Reminded me of the 60s where kids could play in the streets and not get hit by a car except there was no kids.

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It’s quiet around here, I’m in a sub division that is about a 3rd of the way developed. Between the constant rain and the COVID work has about stopped.

Between my wife and I the only parent we have left is her dad and he quit his part time retirement job earlier this week feeling it wasn’t worth the risk; He is out in Southern California.

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srossi wrote: In NY Cuomo just suspended mortgage payments, student loan payments, ATM fees...just about everything. This is now becoming a big excuse for trying socialism without an election.That's how Hitler started. He waived all the ATM fees and next thing you know...BANG...Panzers in Warsaw.

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Mexico, which has refused to cancel concerts and events that have an “economic impact”, is under incredible fire today as they have suffered their first death. A 41-year old with diabetes went to the Ghost concert with 50,000 other fans on March 3 and died today. His friend who went with him was also diagnosed positive and has been hospitalized in stable condition. On March 3 even the U.S. hadn’t cancelled much yet, so nothing was going to save this guy. But certainly tons more have been infected since by continuing to go to big events.  Mexico just allowed 110,000 fans to go to the Guns N’ Roses show 5 days ago. 

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srossi wrote: Mexico just allowed 110,000 fans to go to the Guns N’ Roses show 5 days ago. I really hope none of these folks catch the virus....they've been punished enough.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Our kids are older but it’s busy at our house. We have a home office and it was set up for both of us to have the ability to work home but simultaneously all day everyday is getting to be a little cramped.
I have an office upstairs and my wife has one in the basement but the basement is a mess right now and no one can watch our son from there, so we’re probably going to wind up in the living room just with our laptops. 

My wife also has to work from home since Travel is pretty much not happening for her outside the country at the moment. Normally no big deal, but because I work weekends and usually have the house to myself Mon-Fri, she's taken over the living room for her work, and I'm relegated to the bedroom to watch TV


No more "The Price Is Right" in your tighty whitey Stanfields, eating Ringalos and Passion Flakies out in the living room on the big screen there Smarties pants. Mr. Big shot is now relegated to the bedroom eating Hershey's Lowney Bridge Mixture and watching "Just Like Mom".

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I'll have my sister send me a care package containing Bites and Bites, President's Choice Chocolate Chip Cookies, Swiss Chalet chicken and Caramilks. Then i'll pull up the Pluto Streaming service and watch the 24/7 Degrassi channel.

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PA closing all businesses that are not 'life sustaining operations'

GOVERNMENT PANIC like I cold have never imagined

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Principal_Raditch wrote: I'll have my sister send me a care package containing Bites and Bites, President's Choice Chocolate Chip Cookies, Swiss Chalet chicken and Caramilks. Then i'll pull up the Pluto Streaming service and watch the 24/7 Degrassi channel.

I could go for a jumbo movie theater pack of Glosette Raisin's and watching reruns of 'Danger Bay' right about now.

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beejmi wrote: PA closing all businesses that are not 'life sustaining operations'

GOVERNMENT PANIC like I cold have never imagined
 
That local government edict is going to hit every city in North America shortly. Pretty surreal to think that it has come to this.

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beejmi wrote: PA closing all businesses that are not 'life sustaining operations'


I would think that liquor stores would fall under that banner.

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I’m loading up on bourbon and Guinness while I can just in case Ohio shuts down.

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Franchise wrote: I’m loading up on bourbon and Guinness while I can just in case Ohio shuts down.I bought a case of Bolla yesterday. Soon though I'll have to buy wine just for the shutdown.

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Saints coach Sean Payton tests positive for coronavirus. He is the first person from the NFL to test positive.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: I'll have my sister send me a care package containing Bites and Bites, President's Choice Chocolate Chip Cookies, Swiss Chalet chicken and Caramilks. Then i'll pull up the Pluto Streaming service and watch the 24/7 Degrassi channel.THERE IS A DeGRASSI 24/7 CHANNEL?!?!?

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khawk wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I'll have my sister send me a care package containing Bites and Bites, President's Choice Chocolate Chip Cookies, Swiss Chalet chicken and Caramilks. Then i'll pull up the Pluto Streaming service and watch the 24/7 Degrassi channel.THERE IS A DeGRASSI 24/7 CHANNEL?!?!?
It only airs outside of Canada 

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khawk wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I'll have my sister send me a care package containing Bites and Bites, President's Choice Chocolate Chip Cookies, Swiss Chalet chicken and Caramilks. Then i'll pull up the Pluto Streaming service and watch the 24/7 Degrassi channel.THERE IS A DeGRASSI 24/7 CHANNEL?!?!?

If you have a smart TV, or a ROKU, bring up the the Pluto App. It's basically a container for a ton of streaming channels that are free. Some are regular channels, and some are dedicated to the Pluto Platform. They also have a Baywatch Channel, and right now a James Bond Channel ,that comes and goes every month or so. They also have a AAA Wrestling channel, an Impact Wrestling channel, and a ton of other stuff.

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what the fuck? a Canadian show airing on its own channel available only outside of Canada??
EDIT: I do have a roku so I'll check it out.

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khawk wrote: what the fuck? a Canadian show airing on its own channel available only outside of Canada??
EDIT: I do have a roku so I'll check it out.


Yeah so what 

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Is Degrassi the Canadian saved by the bell?

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I didn’t read about it but it sounds like Los Angeles is on lockdown

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Franchise wrote: I didn’t read about it but it sounds like Los Angeles is on lockdown50 years too late.

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Franchise wrote: I’m loading up on bourbon and Guinness while I can just in case Ohio shuts down.
Good idea, it won’t be long until we really are shut down. 

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Add barbers, hair/nail salons, and tattoo parlors to the growing list of places being shut down by NYC as of tomorrow.

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I have been weaving back and forth on this from doom and gloom one day to the next day this being completely overblown BS.

Lots of reports now coming out of Asia that they're over it now, Japan schools reopening, South Korea returning back to "normal", and I just read a Swedish study talking about the crisis in Italy where most of the deaths were people over 80 or people with underlying conditions.

We'll see.

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The Observer this week stated that New Japan is looking to start running cards again with live crowds as soon as 3/31 while a few of the smaller indy groups have been running live cards with fans throughout. One of them had a Korakuen Hall show the other day that drew in the 500 range.

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So with some of the first countries who were hit with Coronavirus appearing to recover, what time frame were they essentially on lockdown?

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Blazer wrote: I have been weaving back and forth on this from doom and gloom one day to the next day this being completely overblown BS.

Lots of reports now coming out of Asia that they're over it now, Japan schools reopening, South Korea returning back to "normal", and I just read a Swedish study talking about the crisis in Italy where most of the deaths were people over 80 or people with underlying conditions.

We'll see.

It depends how you're looking at it.  I know people who are completely freaking out thinking that this is some kind of death sentence for anyone who gets it.  Someone my wife works with thinks she has it and is in hysterics, weeping uncontrollably, despite being an otherwise healthy 40-year old who runs marathons.  She's also a complete mental case who can't deal with even the slightest adversity under the best of circumstances, so this is part for the course with her.

Then you have those asshole kids parting in Florida thinking of no one but themselves just because they are confident they won't get it.  They have no regard for anyone they may pass it on to though.

The messaging has been clear from the beginning for anyone listening.  Almost everyone will be fine but if you are elderly or have serious health problems and get this, then you are majorly fucked.  I've come across some real sad stories of very young people with health issues who were dead within a week, so it hits really hard if you're susceptible.  And that's why we're doing what we're doing.  Not sure why so many can't figure this out.  I assume both the over-reactions and under-reactions are emblematic of the general selfishness of most people, where they only care about themselves to either extreme. 

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I'll let you know how this weekend goes. I pretty much know we have a case on our unit...and I can almost guarantee that I'll be put with them because I"m the most senior nurse on the floor and everyone else will balk.

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We just got notice that the rest of the school year has been cancelled here in Our district. Remote learning for our district will attempt to begin 4/6. 


I need to look up South Korea because it seemed like they were in terrible shape just a few weeks ago.

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Franchise wrote:
I need to look up South Korea because it seemed like they were in terrible shape just a few weeks ago.

It's all about testing... 5,200 per million population vs 72 per million in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/south-korea-rapid-intrusive-measures-covid-19

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

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Blazer wrote: I have been weaving back and forth on this from doom and gloom one day to the next day this being completely overblown BS.

Lots of reports now coming out of Asia that they're over it now, Japan schools reopening, South Korea returning back to "normal", and I just read a Swedish study talking about the crisis in Italy where most of the deaths were people over 80 or people with underlying conditions.

We'll see.

My cousin shared a TMZ link on FB about a 34 year old man who just died from it, said "Recently visited Disney World in Florida" and then all of her friends were posting "See, it's going to get us all" and a bunch of people were hand-wringing. They apparently never bothered to read the fucking link because I did and this is what it said at the bottom:
It appears Jeffrey was higher-risk patient. He had a history of asthma and frequent bronchitis as a child, though he outgrew that. He also had undergone surgery for testicular cancer back in 2016.

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I don’t know if the testicular cancer had anything to do with it, but it’s concerning that asthma and bronchitis is enough to make this a death sentence for a 30-year old. Those aren’t exactly rare or extreme conditions.

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Hard to recover your immune system back to full strength after chemo or radiation, so maybe even years later his immune system was still
Compromised somewhat (if he had radiation or chemo, that is).

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A lot depends on what his WBC was. If he was @ 1-2, then very susceptible to any infection issues.

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khawk wrote: Hard to recover your immune system back to full strength after chemo or radiation, so maybe even years later his immune system was still
Compromised somewhat (if he had radiation or chemo, that is).

I can confirm that your immune nor you are ever back at full strength after having chemo. It's been over 10 years for me and it took me almost 4 weeks to get over the Pneumonia that I just had and I even have an up to date pneumonia shot.

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Trump is not the leader for stressful times like this. Did you see his latest presser for the virus. He must have a lot of pent up venom to spit because he cannot hold his hate rallies anymore.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote:
I need to look up South Korea because it seemed like they were in terrible shape just a few weeks ago.

It's all about testing... 5,200 per million population vs 72 per million in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/south-korea-rapid-intrusive-measures-covid-19

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success


Take note people because what Kriss posted above seems to be lost on a lot of our population. The numbers here in North America for people with the virus is now way higher than reported due to the failure to roll out widespread testing quick enough.

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In the last day. There is going to be a lot of dumb people in North America either dead, or wishing they had heeded the advice to self-isolate as their Grandparents and parents are being buried with no funeral after this is all said and done.

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WongLee wrote: beejmi wrote: PA closing all businesses that are not 'life sustaining operations'


I would think that liquor stores would fall under that banner.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-new-york-liquor-stores-deemed-essential-under-cuomos-statewide-order/

I'm a little teary posting this. I mean I'm drunk but that's besides the point. God bless MY guv'nah. A great politician and a fine Italian. THIS is the kind of leadership we can all get behind. Except I guess for those fags in "recovery".


New York Governor Andrew Cuomo on Friday announced an executive order that mandates 100% of the state's workforce "must stay home, excluding essential services," until further notice. That order does not apply to liquor stores, the New York State Liquor Store Association clarified later Friday.
"Liquor stores have been deemed an essential business and may remain open," the association said in a press release. "You do not need to reduce your workforce. This applies to all SLA licensed entities as per the SLA."
Beverage manufacturing, including alcoholic beverages, is also considered an essential operation, and is included under the state's list of exemptions, according to the SLA

Other exemptions from the executive order include shipping, media, warehousing, grocery and food production, pharmacies, healthcare providers, utilities, banks and related financial institutions. "Bars and restaurants are closed, but takeout can be ordered during the period of closure," the governor's website said.
"New York state on pause: Policies that assure uniform safety for everyone," Cuomo said at a press conference Friday. "Only essential businesses can have workers commuting to the job or on the job." 
California Governor Gavin Newsom issued an executive order Thursday directing all California residents to "stay home except for essential needs." The order shares similar restrictions to Cuomo's.
Newsom said "essential services" will remain open: Gas stations, pharmacies, grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores, take-out and delivery restaurants, banks, and laundromats or laundry services. Unlike in New York, in California liquor and wine can be sold in grocery stores. 
The California Retailers Association said it is "not commenting at this time" on whether liquor stores in the state are also considered "essential services."
The Wine Institute, which advocates for wineries in California, said in a press release Thursday that it has confirmed with the governor's office that winery and vineyard operations are allowed to continue during the shelter in place order because they fall under "the Food and Agriculture Sector critical infrastructure plan."
"The federal government has identified 16 critical infrastructure sectors whose assets, systems, and networks, whether physical or virtual, are considered so vital to the United States that their incapacitation or destruction would have a debilitating effect on security, economic security, public health or safety, or any combination thereof," the governor's order states.
I order that Californians working in these 16 critical infrastructure sectors may continue their work because of the importance of these sectors to California's health and well-being."The Institute said it is working with the Governor to "reduce the exposure and spread of the disease by limiting visitor access to winery tasting rooms for purchase and pick up only, intensifying cleaning and sanitation procedures and following the guidance of the CDC and California Department of Health."
"Wineries are still open for operation at this time and wine may be purchased online from winery websites."

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Sounds like everyone is essential except for pro athletes, personal trainers and bartenders.

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Full on Picard facepalm.  LOL

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gwlee7 wrote: Full on Picard facepalm.  LOL
I’m guessing that was taken out of context. I’d love to see the video. 

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The video looked like he was trying to stifle a laugh to me.

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khawk wrote: The video looked like he was trying to stifle a laugh to me.He was lol..trump told the reporter to go back to the state department then said “or as I like to call it the deep state department” and it cracked him up..

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They showed a lady on the news here tonight who says she has it even though her test came back negative. The reporter kept saying false negative.

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Did Trump really declare New York a disaster? I heard a report the military is moving in and taking over sports facilities and hotels to convert them into hospitals.

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New Jersey is on shutdown because of all of the cases in North & Central Jersey.

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I saw it reported last night that GameStop was saying they are an essential business and need to stay open.


I saw it reported today that the store “at home” is going to switch to curbside pick up for a week at least locally here.


Personally neither of these seem essential. I can understand grocery stores, pharmacies and then a select home improvement stores and banks. But a video game store that sells toys and a furniture store?

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Franchise wrote: I saw it reported last night that GameStop was saying they are an essential business and need to stay open.


I saw it reported today that the store “at home” is going to switch to curbside pick up for a week at least locally here.


Personally neither of these seem essential. I can understand grocery stores, pharmacies and then a select home improvement stores and banks. But a video game store that sells toys and a furniture store?

GameStop is saying they are essential because of the teleworking situation, and they sell a few things that could be useful.  It's a stretch, but Best Buy has lines down the block for the same reason.  GameStop's employees turned them in though and started a social media campaign about how horrible their employer is.  Long before this, I heard that GameStop was a living nightmare to work for.

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Watched a stupid young cunt interviewed outside a GameStop (or an ebgames, can't remember which one) last night in a lineup for a new video game. "Yeah I live with my elderly grandparents but I'm being extra careful. Because this video game..."

Holy fuck. Hope that stupid cunt got hit by a bus on the way home from getting her precious game.

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I live in the country and we have 3 to 4 wholesale meat businesses in our area. The one we go to was open an hour early for Seniors. My wife got to the store at 8 AM on the dot and the line wrapped around the building. They said it was a 4 Hr. wait to get into the store. There is a 10 pound Max on everything as they sell everything in bulk, because they actually ran out of meat after last weekend and were closed on Monday.

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I got my first patient today...a fellow nurse from one of our partner hospitals. Then I get home to find out KC is now on the lockdown similar to SF. Of course everyone is losing their shit and buying up all the milk, meat, eggs bread pasta etc...that all their welfare and last paychecks for a while will be gone by Monday, when you can still go to the grocery stores.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: I got my first patient today...a fellow nurse from one of our partner hospitals. Then I get home to find out KC is now on the lockdown similar to SF. Of course everyone is losing their shit and buying up all the milk, meat, eggs bread pasta etc...that all their welfare and last paychecks for a while will be gone by Monday, when you can still go to the grocery stores.Symptoms? Severity?  Thoughts?

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: I live in the country and we have 3 to 4 wholesale meat businesses in our area. The one we go to was open an hour early for Seniors. My wife got to the store at 8 AM on the dot and the line wrapped around the building. They said it was a 4 Hr. wait to get into the store. There is a 10 pound Max on everything as they sell everything in bulk, because they actually ran out of meat after last weekend and were closed on Monday.


Let me guess. 100 people outside waiting for the store to open. Don't go sit in your car (where it's warm) or you'll lose your place in line. Stay outside in the cold, bundled up next to some other stranger who is 2 feet away from you.

Makes perfect sense.


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That's happening here too. Everywhere, from
What I see.

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote:


Post of the year

Still better than that Beejmi pecker post.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote:


Post of the year

Still better than that Beejmi pecker post.
Almost Every other post on the site is better than the beej pecker post.

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote:


Post of the year Am I missing something here?

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No, srossi Posted a blank quote

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beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: I live in the country and we have 3 to 4 wholesale meat businesses in our area. The one we go to was open an hour early for Seniors. My wife got to the store at 8 AM on the dot and the line wrapped around the building. They said it was a 4 Hr. wait to get into the store. There is a 10 pound Max on everything as they sell everything in bulk, because they actually ran out of meat after last weekend and were closed on Monday.


Let me guess. 100 people outside waiting for the store to open. Don't go sit in your car (where it's warm) or you'll lose your place in line. Stay outside in the cold, bundled up next to some other stranger who is 2 feet away from you.

Makes perfect sense.



My wife never stayed when she heard the amount of time it would take to get in. Where I'm at, I think 2 counties over from us have 15 cases, while we haven't had any around here.

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Franchise wrote: No, srossi Posted a blank quoteProbably the best post he's ever done then.

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Now even poor Harvey has tested positive. It's not been a very good year for someone who brought so much joy into our lives.


https://www.niagara-gazette.com/covid-19/at-new-york-prison-harvey-weinstein-put-in-isolation-after/article_26e38374-6c7d-11ea-9f8a-3b2c09e7817d.html



ALBANY — Oscar-winning movie producer Harvey Weinstein, now one of New York's most notorious prison inmates after being sentenced for sexual assault, has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus, according to officials connected to the state prison system.

Weinstein, who turned 68 last Thursday is being isolated at Wende Correctional Facility in Western New York, officials told CNHI Sunday.

He is one of two Wende inmates who have tested positive, the officials said.

Weinstein is serving a 23-year sentence for rape and sexual assault in a prosecution that attracted world-wide attention amid the #MeToo movement.

Officials familiar with his situation said it is believed Weinstein was positive for the virus when he entered the state prison system last Wednesday from Rikers Island, a New York City jail.

Weinstein was sent to Wende, where the prison system operates an intake center for new state inmates. Inmates are typically sent to other facilities from there after medical and security concerns are assessed.

Weinstein was accepted by the prison system last week following his sentencing at a Manhattan courtroom. During his trial, he had been alternating his time between Rikers Island and a New York City hospital, where he was treated for high blood pressure and chest pains.

Michael Powers, president of the New York State Correctional Officers and Police Benevolent Association (NYSCOPBA), said he could not comment on Weinstein's situation or elaborate on any inmate's health record due to privacy rules.

Powers acknowledged the union has urged state corrections officials to immediately suspend all "non essential" transfers of inmates from one state facility to another as well as the transporting of local jail prisoners to the state prisons during the ongoing health emergency.

"There is no better breeding ground for this virus than a closed environment such as a correctional facility," said Powers.

The Department of Corrections and Community Supervision, the agency overseeing state facilities, declared last week it is suspending all visits to prison inmates to counter the spread of the virus.

The officials who said Weinstein has tested positive spoke on the condition of anonymity, noting they were not authorized by the corrections agency to publicly comment on the situation.

Powers said three state corrections officers are among those who have tested positive and numerous officers throughout the system are being monitored after coming in contact with people believed to have been infected, he noted.

The corrections officers being monitored include 58 NYSCOPBA members in the Hudson Valley, including 28 assigned to the maximum security Green Haven Correctional Facility, Powers said.

The producer of "Shakespeare in Love," a film for which Weinstein was awarded an Oscar, is in prison for raping an actress in 2013 and performing oral sex on a production assistant in 2006.

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Well isn't it ironic that Rand Paul now has the covid/19 virus. Wasn't he riding that "Coronavirus is a hoax" train not too long ago?

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1241780756617273345?s=21

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carpetbeggar wrote: Well isn't it ironic that Rand Paul now has the covid/19 virus. Wasn't he riding that "Coronavirus is a hoax" train not too long ago?

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1241780756617273345?s=21

I follow Rand’s posts pretty closely and can never remember him saying it was a hoax. He did say that rather than open the coffers and pour billions of new money into this, he wanted funds to be diverted from less important things and transferred here. So he voted no on some bills for that reason, and of course it was translated into “Rand Paul Wants You To Die!!!!” headlines by the liberal media. 

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srossi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Well isn't it ironic that Rand Paul now has the covid/19 virus. Wasn't he riding that "Coronavirus is a hoax" train not too long ago?

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1241780756617273345?s=21

I follow Rand’s posts pretty closely and can never remember him saying it was a hoax. He did say that rather than open the coffers and pour billions of new money into this, he wanted funds to be diverted from less important things and transferred here. So he voted no on some bills for that reason, and of course it was translated into “Rand Paul Wants You To Die!!!!” headlines by the liberal media. 
Pretty much.  For whatever reason, leftists have a jack off pretending Paul wants them to starve.  Based on nothing besides him trying to balance the budget.

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Thrash band Testament have been hit hard, with frontman Chuck Billy as well as many in the crew testing positive. Their North American tour was supposed to start this week but of course many of the dates have already been cancelled before this announcement.

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Marshal Cuomo said today that "40 to 80 percent of New York State residents" are going to come down with this virus. Never mind that even on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which was a perfect petri dish for Coronavirus, only 17% of the passengers tested positive (with half of them asymptomatic). Never mind that numbers like that haven't occurred in the hardest hit zones (like Wuhan or northern Italy). Never mind that essentially no illness in human history, from the plague on down, has resulted in numbers like that. He's trying to save your life, dammit! And if he has to lie through his teeth, gin up a hysteria while acting like a pocket dictator, and impoverish hundreds of thousands of people, then you'd better shut up and take your medicine, plebe.

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Ohio officially issued a stay home order today; I’m sure everyone but restaurants will be claiming essential life saving business status.

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So Ron Paul wrote something where the word “hoax” is used, but liberals weren’t smart enough to 1) know the difference between Ron and Rand or 2) understand Ron’s completely true point where he’s clearly not saying that Coronavirus isn’t real.

"Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.

It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.

Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.

State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.

The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.

On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.” He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.

Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over this?

If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.

The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedom back."
~ Dr. Ron Paul

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I'm glad to see the old man specifically call out "Dr." Fauci.  That that Chicken Little has any public traction is one of the great disgraces of this time.  Someday soon we're going to step back and look at what's happened this month and I hope to God we have a serious accounting of who did what.  If we do, megalomaniacs like Fauci should be the first ones to the guillotine. 

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Portalesman wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: I got my first patient today...a fellow nurse from one of our partner hospitals. Then I get home to find out KC is now on the lockdown similar to SF. Of course everyone is losing their shit and buying up all the milk, meat, eggs bread pasta etc...that all their welfare and last paychecks for a while will be gone by Monday, when you can still go to the grocery stores.Symptoms? Severity?  Thoughts?
Just got home....It was shit. So the patient I have now is on a vent in ICU....I had to transfer them today. Her 02 stats started plummeting into the 70's (you want to be above 90 or high 80's with a history of COPD) Horrible rales (think of rattling in the lungs) , lactate levels skyrocketing, basically unable to perfuse efficiently on her own...hence the need to put her on a vent. So this RN was working on the floor 4 days ago to put it in perspective how hard it hit her. Younger than me. 

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Nola.com has an article describing what you are describing

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So the reason I got this patient this weekend is because one of the other nurses refused to take her. Then she was going to another nurse...also refused to take her. Varying reasons...one was saying kids...other was saying elderly parents etc...

This is going to be a problem. You have staff trying to not rotate with these patients claiming family links preclude them/put them at higher risk. So I have no issue taking these patients, but as part of an ongoing rotation, not the designated fall guy because my parents are either dead on living on another continent, and I don't have young children at home. So both were already written up for this issue, and it's probably going to be an ongoing problem for at least the short term.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So the reason I got this patient this weekend is because one of the other nurses refused to take her. Then she was going to another nurse...also refused to take her. Varying reasons...one was saying kids...other was saying elderly parents etc...

This is going to be a problem. You have staff trying to not rotate with these patients claiming family links preclude them/put them at higher risk. So I have no issue taking these patients, but as part of an ongoing rotation, not the designated fall guy because my parents are either dead on living on another continent, and I don't have young children at home. So both were already written up for this issue, and it's probably going to be an ongoing problem for at least the short term.

Isn't it part of their job is to take care of the sick no matter what? It's what they signed up for.

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If you wan to depress yourself even more...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Michigan has declared a stay at home order today, effective until April 13.

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Portalesman wrote: srossi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: Well isn't it ironic that Rand Paul now has the covid/19 virus. Wasn't he riding that "Coronavirus is a hoax" train not too long ago?

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/1241780756617273345?s=21

I follow Rand’s posts pretty closely and can never remember him saying it was a hoax. He did say that rather than open the coffers and pour billions of new money into this, he wanted funds to be diverted from less important things and transferred here. So he voted no on some bills for that reason, and of course it was translated into “Rand Paul Wants You To Die!!!!” headlines by the liberal media. Pretty much.  For whatever reason, leftists have a jack off pretending Paul wants them to starve.  Based on nothing besides him trying to balance the budget.



Yeah, I jumped the gun on that one, I should have fact checked that. That's what you get lurking on the left side of Twitter. There is just as much "fake news" coming from that side as there is on the other.

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chrob61 wrote: Michigan has declared a stay at home order today, effective until April 13



So does that mean you are only allowed off your property to go to a pharmacy, grocery store, hospital, or place of employment (if you have a job that is essential)?

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carpetbeggar wrote: chrob61 wrote: Michigan has declared a stay at home order today, effective until April 13



So does that mean you are only allowed off your property to go to a pharmacy, grocery store, hospital, or place of employment (if you have a job that is essential)?

Here you're allowed off your property to take walks, go to needed stores etc....but the idea is not to basically start gathering in large groups like you would if you were congregating at a mall or park etc...

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We start our "lockdown" tonight at midnight

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carpetbeggar wrote: chrob61 wrote: Michigan has declared a stay at home order today, effective until April 13



So does that mean you are only allowed off your property to go to a pharmacy, grocery store, hospital, or place of employment (if you have a job that is essential)?
We can go to the grocery, convenience stores, pharmacy, gas station- take walks but leave 6 feet between everyone.   I'm sure I've left something out, but basically it says stay home and only go out if it is essential.

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NM has a hotline you can call to snitch on people gathering.

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Portalesman wrote: NM has a hotline you can call to snitch on people gathering.
Will there be a call ratting out MLG?

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Portalesman wrote: NM has a hotline you can call to snitch on people gathering.\

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Portalesman wrote: NM has a hotline you can call to snitch on people gathering.If this passes in the gay neighborhoods in South Florida, rat Crimson Mask finally has a reason to exist!

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One of the Provinces has a tattle line too, IIRC it's Quebec but I may be wrong. I suspect they'll all have something like that going by the end of the week.

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Cuomo is being a better leader during this than Trump. Trump's presser's are just complete nonsense. How anyone can feel good about Trump after each one is a mystery.

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Spatulapup wrote: Cuomo is being a better leader during this than Trump. Trump's presser's are just complete nonsense. How anyone can feel good about Trump after each one is a mystery.

I've heard that there are ideas to parachute Cuomo in as the Dem's presidential candidate. Is that even possible?

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Spatulapup wrote: Cuomo is being a better leader during this than Trump.
Oh stop. It’s a low bar but still, just stop. 

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Oprah should be our next President, IMO.

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Portalesman wrote: Oprah should be our next President, IMO.
Dr Phil the VP? 

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Spatulapup wrote: Cuomo is being a better leader during this than Trump. Trump's presser's are just complete nonsense. How anyone can feel good about Trump after each one is a mystery.
I've heard this a couple of times. New York is fucking falling apart and gets worse every day. It is probably the worst place to be in the United States right now. What exactly is doing right?

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brodiescomics wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Cuomo is being a better leader during this than Trump. Trump's presser's are just complete nonsense. How anyone can feel good about Trump after each one is a mystery.
I've heard this a couple of times. New York is fucking falling apart and gets worse every day. It is probably the worst place to be in the United States right now. What exactly is doing right?

Reducing future Social Security payouts with all these dying people? 

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He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity.

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I’m really curious to see what the worldwide fall out is going to be for this. I read something the other day that on top of this China had a major outbreak of the bird flu and something like 6 million chickens died; that’s a lot of food gone. Italy and Spain are on the verge of having an entire generation wiped out which is really bad news.


The stimulus situation is another story all together, if the Dems didn’t believe in what was put together then by all means counter but countering with a 1,404 page counter with green new deal type ideas in it comes across poor to those in or about to be in need.


This world might look like a much different place by 2021 regardless of ones political beliefs if some things don’t fall in place.

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Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity.
We know Trump’s a clown but your team demanding new emissions testing and massive funding for the Endowment of the Arts, amongst hundreds of other things, is holding the country hostage when most people just need relief. You know it’s wrong and I don’t want to hear whataboutism bullshit about the Republicans.  The Democrats are being terrible here and people will remember this in November. And not just Republicans. This is swinging people over. Pelosi proves once again that she can’t even win a compassion contest against Trump. How is that possible?  And Biden’s thoughts in this are...who knows?  He disappeared. For his sake he better die of Coronavirus because no one will ever let him live this down if he’s still alive. His reputation can only be saved if he dies at this point. Then someone else can take his place and try to get sympathy votes I guess. 

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Prince Charles has tested positive and at his age I’d be concerned.

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srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity
We know Trump’s a clown but your team demanding new emissions testing and massive funding for the Endowment of the Arts, amongst hundreds of other things, is holding the country hostage when most people just need relief. You know it’s wrong and I don’t want to hear whataboutism bullshit about the Republicans.  The Democrats are being terrible here and people will remember this in November. And not just Republicans. This is swinging people over. Pelosi proves once again that she can’t even win a compassion contest against Trump. How is that possible?  And Biden’s thoughts in this are...who knows?  He disappeared. For his sake he better die of Coronavirus because no one will ever let him live this down if he’s still alive. His reputation can only be saved if he dies at this point. Then someone else can take his place and try to get sympathy votes I guess.
You know the Dems have Biden stored away in some bunker to keep him safe from the virus until the all clear sign is given and they can trot him out onto the campaign trail again.



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Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity.
What truth are you referring to?  And other posters saying "entire generations" gone?  What data does anyone have to show that this is worse than a normal flu, or at least that it's so dramatically worse that we've been forced to nuke our economy, our rights, and our civil society in response?
 
Here are some numbers: 
Speaking of Italy, data from March 20 [3] on fatalities is quite revealing —
median age of death is 80, 99% are over 50, virtually no deaths below 30,
high rate of preexisting health conditions among the deceased. Furthermore,
in addition to Italy’s higher susceptibility to flu pandemics, there are
major issues with air pollution and deaths from antibiotic resistance as well.
Plus don’t forget that when we say Italy we mean “Lombardy and Emilia-Romagna,” where something like 85% of the deaths are clustered. Regions like Calabria in the South have negligible COVID-19 fatalities, for instance, but then
Italy is in lockdown mode so this is obviously decreasing R0.

If we look at the 110 fatalities in Washington State as of Mar 23 [4], the picture
is similar — bulk of deaths from people in 70s, 80s and 90s with preexisting
conditions. Only two deaths from people in their 40s, both in Snohomish
County. No younger deaths reported. Most deaths (87 of 110) are clustered in
King County, and in turn 42% of those deaths (37) originate from the same
nursing home in Kirkland.


Ditto for recent data from the Netherlands — no recorded deaths below age
of 54 so far. [5] Keep in mind selection bias towards severe patients, though.

Still no good data on Spain from what I know.

The closest thing we have to a controlled experiment — the Diamond Princess
cruise ship — shows a 73% asymptomatic/mild incidence within an elderly
patient sample of 104 (median age 68). Given a 15-day observation period,
it’s incongruent with what we know about incubation rates that symptomatic
developments were likely after that. [6]

 
At any rate, the below post is filled historical and current data that make a very convincing case that the only thing earth-shattering about this episode is our reaction to it.  One other thing that he didn't mention in discussing Italy is that a vast majority of the deaths occurred in people with existing medical issues.  As he mentioned, look up the Diamond Princess numbers and then ask yourself where the TV doctors are coming up with their predicted levels of sick and dying. 
 
https://wmbriggs.com/post/29886/#comment-184799
 
Common sense measures, as implemented by many East Asian countries (Taiwan, just passed 200 cases, last I knew only two deaths, in a country of 23 million) have spared these places the worst excesses of pocket dictators like Marshal Cuomo and Obergrupenfuhrer Newsome.  We're setting a very bad precedent here.  If we don't demand better structures be put into place for our elected officials, instead of acting on the orders of Chicken Little Fauci, we're fucked in the future.  They've had a taste of what this kind of power feels like.  They won't want to concede it back to the people.   
 
 


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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity
We know Trump’s a clown but your team demanding new emissions testing and massive funding for the Endowment of the Arts, amongst hundreds of other things, is holding the country hostage when most people just need relief. You know it’s wrong and I don’t want to hear whataboutism bullshit about the Republicans.  The Democrats are being terrible here and people will remember this in November. And not just Republicans. This is swinging people over. Pelosi proves once again that she can’t even win a compassion contest against Trump. How is that possible?  And Biden’s thoughts in this are...who knows?  He disappeared. For his sake he better die of Coronavirus because no one will ever let him live this down if he’s still alive. His reputation can only be saved if he dies at this point. Then someone else can take his place and try to get sympathy votes I guess.
You know the Dems have Biden stored away in some bunker to keep him safe from the virus until the all clear sign is given and they can trot him out onto the campaign trail again.

Then he needs to be ALL OVER the Internet, giving speeches 3 times a day and commenting on all the latest developments.  He can't just disappear.  He should be having livestreamed Skype calls with effected workers, after someone explains to him what a livestreamed Skype call is ("It's like the magic version of being there Joe, except you won't be able to sniff anyone's hair").  It's not that hard to come up with a strategy to keep him visible.  The only one who has handled this situation worse is Vince, and they're both old and out of touch.  If he's not dying, then they couldn't possibly do a better job of making you think he was.  Or worse, that he just doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. 

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BTW, if you're looking for an analysis of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, a good place to start is here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/16/diamond-princess-mysteries/

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srossi wrote: Prince Charles has tested positive and at his age I’d be concerned.With personal physicians attending to him with the best ventilation equipment out there, I'm not too worried about him. He will have spectacular care.

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And the stimulus pushes another day.


Italy now has 7,503 deaths from COVID-19. I don’t care about preexisting conditions that is a lot of people.


Spain is up to 3,434 deaths with nearly 48,000 cases.


Anyone hear about the 21 million cell phone situation in China? I’d never heard of the source before where I read it.

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Anyone hear about the 21 million cell phone situation in China? I’d never heard of the source before where I read it.


Lots of reputable sources have published that number, with various suggestions as to why this may have happened, but the suggestion that these people all died of Covid-19 is a bit of a leap. If China was hiding this, then they wouldn't have let this figure leak out.

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Ridiculous claptrap.

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srossi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity
We know Trump’s a clown but your team demanding new emissions testing and massive funding for the Endowment of the Arts, amongst hundreds of other things, is holding the country hostage when most people just need relief. You know it’s wrong and I don’t want to hear whataboutism bullshit about the Republicans.  The Democrats are being terrible here and people will remember this in November. And not just Republicans. This is swinging people over. Pelosi proves once again that she can’t even win a compassion contest against Trump. How is that possible?  And Biden’s thoughts in this are...who knows?  He disappeared. For his sake he better die of Coronavirus because no one will ever let him live this down if he’s still alive. His reputation can only be saved if he dies at this point. Then someone else can take his place and try to get sympathy votes I guess.
You know the Dems have Biden stored away in some bunker to keep him safe from the virus until the all clear sign is given and they can trot him out onto the campaign trail again.

Then he needs to be ALL OVER the Internet, giving speeches 3 times a day and commenting on all the latest developments.  He can't just disappear.  He should be having livestreamed Skype calls with effected workers, after someone explains to him what a livestreamed Skype call is ("It's like the magic version of being there Joe, except you won't be able to sniff anyone's hair").  It's not that hard to come up with a strategy to keep him visible.  The only one who has handled this situation worse is Vince, and they're both old and out of touch.  If he's not dying, then they couldn't possibly do a better job of making you think he was.  Or worse, that he just doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. 

Ooof.  Upon further review, this may not be the best strategy.  The guy's clearly not all there. 

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1242580282580107274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242580282580107274&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.ace.mu.nu%2F
(And how embarrassing is that female host on MSNBC?  Gushing and gurning over a man who's having trouble stringing a cogent thought together.)

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: He is telling the truth for one. lol according to Trump he is looking to have everything up and running by Easter!!!! Watch his pressers for all of the lies and stupidity
We know Trump’s a clown but your team demanding new emissions testing and massive funding for the Endowment of the Arts, amongst hundreds of other things, is holding the country hostage when most people just need relief. You know it’s wrong and I don’t want to hear whataboutism bullshit about the Republicans.  The Democrats are being terrible here and people will remember this in November. And not just Republicans. This is swinging people over. Pelosi proves once again that she can’t even win a compassion contest against Trump. How is that possible?  And Biden’s thoughts in this are...who knows?  He disappeared. For his sake he better die of Coronavirus because no one will ever let him live this down if he’s still alive. His reputation can only be saved if he dies at this point. Then someone else can take his place and try to get sympathy votes I guess.
You know the Dems have Biden stored away in some bunker to keep him safe from the virus until the all clear sign is given and they can trot him out onto the campaign trail again.

Then he needs to be ALL OVER the Internet, giving speeches 3 times a day and commenting on all the latest developments.  He can't just disappear.  He should be having livestreamed Skype calls with effected workers, after someone explains to him what a livestreamed Skype call is ("It's like the magic version of being there Joe, except you won't be able to sniff anyone's hair").  It's not that hard to come up with a strategy to keep him visible.  The only one who has handled this situation worse is Vince, and they're both old and out of touch.  If he's not dying, then they couldn't possibly do a better job of making you think he was.  Or worse, that he just doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. 

Ooof.  Upon further review, this may not be the best strategy.  The guy's clearly not all there. 

[url=https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1242580282580107274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242580282580107274&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.ace.mu.nu%2F]https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1242580282580107274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242580282580107274&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.ace.mu.nu%2F[/url]
(And how embarrassing is that female host on MSNBC?  Gushing and gurning over a man who's having trouble stringing a cogent thought together.)


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Italy now has 7,503 deaths from COVID-19. I don’t care about preexisting conditions that is a lot of people.


25,000 Italians died from the flu during the winter of '16-'17.  How often were you made aware of that at the time?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

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I wasn’t so what’s the game then? Who benefits from a complete lockdown? Is this all a calculated ploy to force manufacturing back to America? Are the reptilians behind this?

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Franchise wrote: I wasn’t so what’s the game then? Who benefits from a complete lockdown? Is this all a calculated ploy to force manufacturing back to America? Are the reptilians behind this?
I'm not one to believe in turn-key conspiracies.  I think everyone's jumped on this for their own reasons and the ensuing clusterfuck is a result of all those disparate interests acting in concert. 
You have those in the medical profession getting their turn to visit the hallowed green rooms of the talk shows; finally getting a chance to seem just as important as your garden-variety "climate scientist".  Honestly, the WHO and the CDC are demonstrating that they are the same as any other bureaucracy -- mostly useless.  You've got the oligarchs able to prick the investment bubble and then get a multi-trillion dollar bailout from us and our progeny.  The left, as evidenced by that bailout bill, is trying to use the cover of this panic to enact every woke dream they can think of.  The media gets to broadcast doom and gloom 24/7 to a newly enlarged, housebound audience (and in doing so they make the usual allusions to Orange Man Bad).  The state governors are loving the dictatorial powers they now wield.  It's better than being President in many respects.  Big tech is almost certainly using this to hone surveillance skills.  And I'm sure I'm leaving out other cogs in the wheel. 
 
The question is will we learn anything from the last fortnight's meltdown?  Being America, I doubt it.  My thought is that on Independence Day everyone's making Coronavirus jokes while talking about training camps opening in a few weeks.  If we don't violently demand a reckoning, we're fucked.  Because this playbook will be trotted out again, and much sooner than we'd like. 

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The unemployment numbers are nothing short of cataclysmic. 3.3 million Americans filed this week, shattering the previous one week record of 695,000 set in 1982.  The only possible silver lining is that at least a third of these jobs are expected to come back quickly after all this is over, but that still leaves over 2 million who might be out of work long-term, and almost none of these people have savings to wait this out even a month.

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srossi wrote: The unemployment numbers are nothing short of cataclysmic. 3.3 million Americans filed this week, shattering the previous one week record of 695,000 set in 1982.
The only good sign I can see from that is that it will give Trump ammo to rein in this madness sooner rather than later.  How compliant the governors are with those wishes is another matter. 

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Here are numbers from Australia as of the afternoon of 3/26.
 
178,000 people have been tested (note:: we are only testing those who may have been exposed – i.e. the testing cohort will have a larger number of positive reports than if we tested the general population)
Thus far:

2799 have tested positive

11 have died (all had serious underlying medical conditions before contracting the virus)

Infection rate of those tested is 1.57%

Death rate of those tested positive is 0.393%

Fatality rate per 100,000 of Aussie population .0477

These numbers do not indicate to me support for the current economic destruction that we are currently embarking upon.

For reference
Road deaths in Australia for last month (Feb 2020) 92
Road deaths in past 12 months 1163
Annual fatality rate for road deaths in 2019 was 4.6 per 100,000 of population. (compare to 0.0477 above)

2017 flu death rate in Australia 3.9 per 100,000 persons . (compare to 0.0477 above)

2019 flu death rate in Australia 3.0 per 100,000 persons. . (compare to 0.0477 above)

Although it is estimated that the actual rate is much higher, as one source suggests a death rate from flu annually to be about 12 per 100,000 in the over 50 age group.

Italy is currently Covid-19 central with lots of deaths which is sad.
BUT Lets be cautious and not claim that everyone who tests positively for COVID-19 after death died FROM the disease. They may very well have died WITH the disease. There is a difference and it matters.

 
https://wmbriggs.com/post/29993/


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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: The unemployment numbers are nothing short of cataclysmic. 3.3 million Americans filed this week, shattering the previous one week record of 695,000 set in 1982.
The only good sign I can see from that is that it will give Trump ammo to rein in this madness sooner rather than later.  How compliant the governors are with those wishes is another matter.

You're living in a fantasy world.  There's no "madness" to reign in.  In NYC and other major cities effected, 75% of the population is going to get this if we go back to "business as usual".  That's not happening.  Lay off the FOX News.  Maybe by June 1 we can start to think about slowly returning to something resembling normalcy, but even that seems optimistic now.  Trump's initial response was way too slow and he fucked it all up.  Research how Sweden handled this with lightning quick action at the beginning followed by a libertarian laissez-faire approach that pretty much got everything back to normal within weeks.   They're in a fantastic situation now and can refuse to shut anything down because they were on top of it on Day 1 while Trump was sitting on his toilet tweeting for hours.

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Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: The unemployment numbers are nothing short of cataclysmic. 3.3 million Americans filed this week, shattering the previous one week record of 695,000 set in 1982.
The only good sign I can see from that is that it will give Trump ammo to rein in this madness sooner rather than later.  How compliant the governors are with those wishes is another matter.

You're living in a fantasy world.  There's no "madness" to reign in.  In NYC and other major cities effected, 75% of the population is going to get this if we go back to "business as usual". 
 
Yes, it's madness to believe that 75% of people are going to get this.  Either you made that number up out of thin air or you're listening to some incredibly fucking stupid people.  There's no data set for this that supports an infection rate within two time zones of that assertion. 

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I'm just gonna leave this here:

http://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=35175&forum_id=4&highlight=ebola

The Ebola panic thread where the other FOX News brainwashed idiot was screaming about Obama not doing enough, about something that never really came to America and wasn't very contagious in comparison (there's even a 1918 reference back then).  Let's everyone read BT's posts very carefully and laugh now (calling Ebola "Obama's Katrina" is still my favorite line in message board history since within 6 months no one remembered Ebola).  See how fluid the talking points are depending on who the president is. As someone who gets much better access to all the briefings than anyone else here because of my job, I knew that one was bullshit, but the rate of spread on this one is just crazy. The overwhelming number of cases will be minor of course, but almost everyone is going to get it over the next 2 years if not nipped in the bud.  Almost everyone.

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KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

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kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

I went to Iceland in February and didn't see shit.  It was cloudy every night so the van didn't even leave the hotel.  Other than that, great trip.  Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove.  I'm sure KGB would love to cite other Iceland stats to prove his point.  They have 1 jail with 200 prisoners, and those prisoners are more or less free with little security watching them, even the couple of murderers they have.  So clearly since Iceland and the U.S. are so similar, KGB believes we should abolish prisons here.  What a fucking libtard.

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Hobby Lobby is in the news again, refusing any paid sick leave to employees and demanding employees continue to work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-told-managers-denied-employees-paid-sick-leave-memo-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR1OaaFaLkO7c7Lys6Vqz4KI327VC1Ue0xH6FfPuL9rU2IWkqbbCtHApbts

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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

I went to Iceland in February and didn't see shit.  It was cloudy every night so the van didn't even leave the hotel.  Other than that, great trip.  Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove.  I'm sure KGB would love to cite other Iceland stats to prove his point.  They have 1 jail with 200 prisoners, and those prisoners are more or less free with little security watching them, even the couple of murderers they have.  So clearly since Iceland and the U.S. are so similar, KGB believes we should abolish prisons here.  What a fucking libtard.
Fun Icelandic prison fact: the old prison is now the parliament building.

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

I went to Iceland in February and didn't see shit.  It was cloudy every night so the van didn't even leave the hotel.  Other than that, great trip.  Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove.  I'm sure KGB would love to cite other Iceland stats to prove his point.  They have 1 jail with 200 prisoners, and those prisoners are more or less free with little security watching them, even the couple of murderers they have.  So clearly since Iceland and the U.S. are so similar, KGB believes we should abolish prisons here.  What a fucking libtard.
Fun Icelandic prison fact: the old prison is now the parliament building.

Yeah, I learned that on my walking tour of Reykjavik.

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It seems like that should be the other way around. The prisoners getting hand me downs not politicians getting hand me downs from prisoners.

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If you look at all the small European countries, the have the highest number of cases per population. This is probably because they are rich, and are able to test pretty much everyone that needs it. Iceland's 802 cases translates to 2,350 per million population, good for #1 on the world list, with only Faeroe Islands, Andorra, Vatican City and San Marino above them. The top two are landlocked in Italy, so they had no chance. Andorra is between Spain and France, so bad luck for them. The Faeroe Island, however, are remote as fuck, much more so than Iceland, and they have 2,865 cases per million population, or 0.2% of the population. 0.2% if the US population is 650,000 and it will spread much faster in huge cities, rather than tiny villages on islands in the middle of the sea.

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srossi, you done stomping on those straw men yet?  BTW, buddy, I haven't watched television news in a decade or more, including Fox, which I have essentially no use for.  Tucker has some good segments but even he's been wrong on this story.  You'll have to drop that one and move on to insulting me by calling me "boomer"*.
Anyway, now Neil Ferguson, the man behind the doomsday coronavirus study that rattled the world, has revised his position.  Just a bit.

This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths - and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID

He now says both that the U.K. should have enough ICU beds and that the coronavirus will probably kill under 20,000 people in the U.K. - more than 1/2 of whom would have died by the end of the year in any case bc they were so old and sick.
Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased - which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize - which in turn implies it is less dangerous.
Ferguson now predicts that the epidemic in the U.K. will peak and subside within “two to three weeks” - last week’s paper said 18+ months of quarantine would be necessary.
https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1243133211011690499
To be sure, he's still advocating for draconian measures, but does anyone expect today's public figures to admit they've made a mistake?  Even a high priest of the religion of Science!, with its love of facts and reason?
* actually I'm Gen X, but calling me boomer would be about as accurate as claiming I'm taking my marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, or that I'm responsible for something Blue Thunder wrote 10 years ago.  So it shouldn't be a stretch, eh?

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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove. 

Are you saying the disease is less infectious amongst the Icelanders?  Based on what?  I mean, shouldn't 75% of them come down with it at some point? 

Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?

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Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?


All the passengers were confined to their cabins.

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Apparently other NYC officials sent out similar messages telling people to go to this parade and not be frightened of this "scare".  Does the Chair of New York City Council health committee still have a job? I bet he does.

https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1226566648729133056


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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: kargol wrote: KGB wrote: Another interesting case, Iceland:

Iceland is presenting many interesting pointers for estimating the CFR. Iceland has tested a higher proportion of people than any other country (9,768 individuals), equivalent to  26,762 per million inhabitants the highest in the world (as a  comparison, South Korea has tested  6,343 individuals).

The results of screenings have suggested 0.5% are infected;  the true figure is likely higher due to asymptomatic and as a result of many not seeking testing: estimates suggest the real number infected is 1%. Iceland is currently reporting two deaths in 737 patients, CFR. 0.27%; if 1% of the population (364,000) is infected then the corresponding IFR would be 0.05%.  However, they have limited infections in the elderly as their test and quarantine measures have seemingly shielded this group, and the deaths will lag by about two weeks after the infections. Iceland’s higher rates of testing, the smaller population. and their ability to ascertain all those with Sars-CoV-2  means they will likely provide an accurate estimate of the CFR and the IFR.  Current data from Iceland suggests the IFR is somewhere between 0.05% and 0.14%.
 
https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

The only people who go to Iceland in February are aurora chasers.  And they're more likely to go to Norway.
Iceland is hardly an example for the world given its isolation.  I think the concern is more that even such a cut-off island has 1% of its population infected. 

Of course the country is completely deserted so not sure what infectious disease rates there are supposed to prove. 

Are you saying the disease is less infectious amongst the Icelanders?  Based on what?  I mean, shouldn't 75% of them come down with it at some point? 

I can’t even...someone else can explain it if they have the patience. 

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Infamous wrote: If we can call Trump an orange orangutan are we allowed to call Obama a black monkey ?I think it's different because Trump chooses to be Orange. Something like that...

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srossi wrote: Hobby Lobby is in the news again, refusing any paid sick leave to employees and demanding employees continue to work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-told-managers-denied-employees-paid-sick-leave-memo-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR1OaaFaLkO7c7Lys6Vqz4KI327VC1Ue0xH6FfPuL9rU2IWkqbbCtHApbts
Ill never understand why the media is so fucking obsessed with Hobby Lobby.  If you dont like the store, dont shop there.  Nobody gives a fuck.  People cry as much about HL as they do Chic Filet.

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I don’t visit the lobby hardly if ever but I like the chick filet it’s good, everyone is nice and always gets my order right. I couldn’t ask for more from a fast food establishment.

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Portalesman wrote: srossi wrote: Hobby Lobby is in the news again, refusing any paid sick leave to employees and demanding employees continue to work.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hobby-lobby-told-managers-denied-employees-paid-sick-leave-memo-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR1OaaFaLkO7c7Lys6Vqz4KI327VC1Ue0xH6FfPuL9rU2IWkqbbCtHApbts
Ill never understand why the media is so fucking obsessed with Hobby Lobby.  If you dont like the store, dont shop there.  Nobody gives a fuck.  People cry as much about HL as they do Chic Filet.
When you spell it Chic Felit, instead of Chick fil a, it sounds like a really hot porno DVD instead of a chicken joint. Thanks for the visual, Port.

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British Prime Minister Boris Johnson just tested positive.

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Kriss wrote: KGB wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]  
Once again, how do you square that claim with the Diamond Princess, which couldn't have been any more of a worst case scenario, and wound up with a 17% infection rate?


All the passengers were confined to their cabins.

The ship sailed for days with an infected crew interacting, in the usual manner, with every last person aboard.  We can safely assume that almost without exception the passengers were all exposed to one degree or another. 

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Interesting graph here of percentages of those "extremely concerned" about the coronavirus, broken down into Dems vs. Republicans, by state.  I can imagine at least a half dozen major reasons for the spread. 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUEFzAMU0AA7hvK?format=jpg&name=large 

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IN NY, we just had DeBlasio saying yesterday that he wants schools opened again on April 20 (never consulted with the union or anyone else), while Cuomo is saying to expect all of NY to remain locked down through at least May.

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Really sad news breaking this morning that Rammstein singer Till Lindemann has been admitted to the ICU in Germany with Coronavirus. He would certainly be the most famous death from this so far if the worst happens.

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srossi wrote: IN NY, we just had DeBlasio saying yesterday that he wants schools opened again on April 20 (never consulted with the union or anyone else), while Cuomo is saying to expect all of NY to remain locked down through at least May.
Cuomo really needs to appreciate that much of upstate is a whole different ball of wax from, say, Queens.  Not to mention, we don't live in a nearly recession-proof locale, like NYC. 
 
The elementary schools my nieces and nephews in Taiwan attend didn't shut down.  Everyone -- teachers, students, staff -- wears a mask and they all have their temperature checked when they arrive.  Common sense measures that have proven very effective.  Taiwan has 23 million people, nearly all of whom live in densely packed cities, and has extensive links with the mainland.  Total Chinese flu count as of this morning: 267 positive tests, 2 deaths. 

EDIT:  Regarding masks, it makes me cringe when the armchair experts in the media poo-poo the general use of masks because "it's only effective in stopping the spread by infected people!"  If one remains asymptomatic for any amount of time, and at least half of the people with the Chinese flu never display any symptoms at all, then it makes sense for general usage of masks since we don't know who has it and who doesn't. 

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NFL Network producer Jason Hartelius posted a chilling account of his 3 days in the hospital. First, he says he's 42 with no health problems and that Coronavirus "has been kicking my ass".  He was discharged but told it will be weeks before he fully recovers because he developed pneumonia. But he also says "whatever numbers you’re seeing are nowhere close to accurate" because he and dozens of others he met at the hospital are not being counted amongst the official stats because their official test results have not come back yet although the doctors said they clearly have it and they needed to be hospitalized and treated immediately. He said the hospital looked like a MASH unit and almost none of those people were counted in the official stats yet.

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I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?

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Franchise wrote: I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?Watching the news last nite it said NY was using refrigerated trucks to store the dead.

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Franchise wrote: I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?
I'm trapped in my neighborhood near Westchester and haven't been in Manhattan for 2 weeks so not sure what it looks like there.

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Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?Watching the news last nite it said NY was using refrigerated trucks to store the dead.


Sounds pretty rough; They ever do this for the flu? 

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Franchise wrote: Benlen wrote: Franchise wrote: I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?Watching the news last nite it said NY was using refrigerated trucks to store the dead.


Sounds pretty rough; They ever do this for the flu? 

Let's look at that in context.  At first reading you'd think, "refrigerated trucks?  Man the death toll must be enormous!"  So let's look at the facts and figures.  An unscientific search reveals that on an average day somewhere north of 400 people die in New York City.  According to Johns Hopkins, NYC (including Suffolk and Nassau) has seen just under 500 deaths ascribed to Wuhan flu.  Does it make sense that the city's morgues constantly run at maximum capacity and that the addition of a few dozen more each day overwhelms them?  I'm thinking not. 
 
What does mini-Mike's news outfit tell us? 
 
New York City has bought 45 refrigerated truck trailers – each capable of holding as many as 44 bodies -- in case city morgues and hospitals become overwhelmed with the number of dead from the coronavirus. With the addition of refrigerated tents, the city will have the capacity to hold as many as 3,600 bodies, a city official said...
 
Workers have already erected a large tent and installed trailers by the central morgue in lower Manhattan, according to Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokeswoman for the Office of Chief Medical Examiner. Now, the city’s five morgues have a capacity of 800 to 900.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/morgue-space-in-virus-hit-nyc-boosted-with-45-cooler-trucks
 
In other words, the trucks are there as a precautionary measure and weren't pressed into service because of a dire need.  Perhaps they may use them for Wuhan-specific victims to reduce the potential of cross-contamination?  I'm only guessing, but it doesn't look like the city's morgues are overflowing at this time. 

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So where does the truth land in all of this?


You have the hospital workers freaking out about lack of supplies, the talk of battlefield medicine where the doctors just say “all of them over there die we can’t save them, let’s focus on this one” and then people on the other side saying ehh it’s overblown.


Shutting down work and printing money is concerning as is being told to stay in my neighborhood and social distance.


I’m a freedom minded in visual that trusts the media very little and prefers to come to my own conclusions but I have the feeling if this wasn’t a life changing illness we wouldn’t be seeing what we are.

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If you think the truth lies somewhere in the middle it's likely both sides of the "overblown/real threat" will call you stupid and/or a pussy.

So, this whole thing is just like American Politics, I guess. lol

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I don’t sell shit In the real world so nobody will every have much to say to me I’m just trying to figure out how close of an eye I need to keep on my family, my house and surroundings

Luckily thus far we have stayed ahead of the panic curve and I want to keep it that way. Thinking I probably need to squeeze a few more amazon orders in if the morgues are overflowing.

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KGB wrote: srossi, you done stomping on those straw men yet?  BTW, buddy, I haven't watched television news in a decade or more, including Fox, which I have essentially no use for.  Tucker has some good segments but even he's been wrong on this story.  You'll have to drop that one and move on to insulting me by calling me "boomer"*.
Anyway, now Neil Ferguson, the man behind the doomsday coronavirus study that rattled the world, has revised his position.  Just a bit.

This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths - and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID

He now says both that the U.K. should have enough ICU beds and that the coronavirus will probably kill under 20,000 people in the U.K. - more than 1/2 of whom would have died by the end of the year in any case bc they were so old and sick.
Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased - which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize - which in turn implies it is less dangerous.
Ferguson now predicts that the epidemic in the U.K. will peak and subside within “two to three weeks” - last week’s paper said 18+ months of quarantine would be necessary.
https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1243133211011690499
To be sure, he's still advocating for draconian measures, but does anyone expect today's public figures to admit they've made a mistake?  Even a high priest of the religion of Science!, with its love of facts and reason?
* actually I'm Gen X, but calling me boomer would be about as accurate as claiming I'm taking my marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, or that I'm responsible for something Blue Thunder wrote 10 years ago.  So it shouldn't be a stretch, eh?


https://reason.com/2020/03/27/no-british-epidemiologist-neil-ferguson-has-not-drastically-downgraded-his-worst-case-projection-of-covid-19-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR0mIgf9iSI4VM_HNnqqVFJJ8Ldd11KD7hgIJJlx3rbYeyseMjE1F2bnGG4

No, British Epidemiologist Neil Ferguson Has Not 'Drastically Downgraded' His Worst-Case Projection of COVID-19 Deaths

Contrary to what you may have read or heard, British epidemiologist Neil Ferguson has not suddenly reduced his worst-case projection of COVID-19 deaths in the U.K. by a factor of 28. To the contrary, he says the policies adopted by the British government, which are in line with the aggressive control measures recommended by a highly influential March 16 paper that Ferguson and other researchers at Imperial College wrote, should keep the number of deaths below 20,000.


"We assessed in that report…that fatalities would probably be unlikely to exceed about 20,000 with effectively a lockdown, a social distancing strategy," Ferguson, who is himself recovering from COVID-19, told a parliamentary committee on Wednesday. "But it could be substantially lower than that."


In other words, it is not true that Ferguson "is presenting drastically downgraded estimates," as The Daily Wire claimed, or that he "just walked back the apocalyptic predictions," as The Federalist asserted. But Ferguson did revise one of his key estimates in a way that suggests a lower case fatality rate (CFR) than his group assumed in their modeling.


"What we've been seeing in Europe in the last week or two is a rate of growth of the epidemic which is faster than we expected from early data in China," said Ferguson, who testified from his home via video link. "So we are revising our central, best estimate of the reproduction number [i.e., the number of people the average carrier can be expected to infect] to something on the order of 3 or a little bit above rather than about a 2.5 level." In his view, that revision "actually adds more evidence to support the more intensive social distancing measures applied this week, because the higher the reproduction number is, the more intensive the controls need to be to achieve suppression of the epidemic."


A substantially higher reproduction number implies that the COVID-19 virus can be expected to spread more quickly than the Imperial College group imagined. But it also means that many more people in the U.K. already have been infected, which implies a bigger gap between known cases and the actual number of infections. That, in turn, implies that the true CFR is lower than the 0.9 percent rate that Ferguson and his colleagues used in their projections.


The Imperial College CFR estimate is far lower than the crude CFR for the U.K., which is currently about 5 percent. The difference reflects the understanding that the true number of infections is bound to be much larger than the official numbers reflect, because many people with mild or nonexistent symptoms (as is typical of COVID-19) will not seek medical treatment or testing. The size of that group is a crucial question in estimating the true CFR.


Ferguson believes the number of undocumented infections is not nearly as high as a recent estimate by researchers at Oxford University, who suggested that half of the British population is already infected. If that were true, the CFR for COVID-19 in the U.K. would be something like 0.002 percent, making the disease much less deadly than the seasonal flu, which has an estimated CFR of 0.1 percent.


"I don't think it's consistent with the observed data," Ferguson said of the Oxford estimate, citing the results from comprehensive testing of Italian villages and the Diamond Princess cruise ship's passengers and crew. Raising the reproduction number from 2.5 to 3 or more nevertheless implies that the number of undocumented infections is higher than Ferguson's group originally thought.


In last week's paper, Ferguson and his co-authors, writing on behalf of the Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team, projected COVID-19 deaths in the U.K. and the United States based on a range of policies and a range of reproduction numbers. In their worst-case scenario, which assumed a reproduction number of 2.6 and "the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour," they projected 550,000 deaths in the U.K. and 2.2 million in the United States. Although those horrifying numbers got a lot of attention, they were never plausible, as the paper itself said, because they were based on the clearly unrealistic premise that "nothing" is done to contain, suppress, or mitigate the epidemic.


In Ferguson et al.'s best-case scenario—based on a reproduction number of 2 and isolation of people with symptoms, home quarantine of everyone else in their households, and early implementation of school closures, coupled with "social distancing of [the] entire population"—they projected just 5,600 deaths in the U.K. But when they raised the reproduction number from 2 to 2.6, the number of deaths more than doubled. They projected 12,000 deaths in that scenario.


Ferguson now says the reproduction number is probably "a bit above" 3, nearly as big a change as the shift in assumptions described in the paper. Yet he thinks the number of deaths is "unlikely to exceed" 20,000 and "could be substantially lower than that." Although it certainly seems that Ferguson has become more optimistic about the fatality rate, he denies that. "Our lethality estimates remain unchanged," he said on Twitter yesterday.


Another difference between last week's projections and Ferguson's testimony this week is the expected peak of COVID-19 cases in intensive care units. The report projected that those cases would peak in late November or early December if the U.K. adopted the combination of policies that the authors deemed most effective. But on Wednesday, Ferguson said he expects that the peak will be reached by mid-April.


"If the current measures work as we expect them to," Ferguson said, "we will see intensive care demand peak in approximately two and a half to three weeks."

Because of those policies and increased ICU capacity, Ferguson said, he is "reasonably confident" that British hospitals will not be overwhelmed by COVID-19 cases, although their capacity will be strained in some parts of the country. He emphasized that the main goal of the suppression strategy favored by his group is to avoid a hospital crisis that "will have unintended consequences on health for the entire nation."


Ferguson also seemed to take a different stance this week on the question of how long aggressive COVID-19 control measures should remain in place. The Imperial College projections assumed that enforced social distancing of the entire population, which the British government is trying to achieve by ordering everyone to stay home except for essential purposes, would be maintained "for 5 months or longer," although it could be turned off and on based on trends in ICU cases. The authors added, rather alarmingly, that "to avoid a rebound in transmission, these policies will need to be maintained until large stocks of vaccine are available to immunise the population—which could be 18 months or more."


On Wednesday, Ferguson acknowledged that such a policy is not feasible. "We clearly cannot lock down the country for a year," he said. Even with a lockdown of relatively short duration, he observed, "we'll be paying for this year for decades to come."


The question, Ferguson said, is how the government should "allow the economy to restart," a process that "is likely to rely on very large-scale testing [and] contact tracing," along the lines of what South Korea has done. "We are looking at that as a model," he said. "The U.K. does not have the testing capability to replicate South Korea right now, but I think it's likely in the next few weeks we will." Widespread testing would also help clarify the lethality of COVID-19.


The Imperial College paper acknowledged that "the social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal [of suppressing the epidemic] will be profound." But the authors expressly did not "consider the ethical or economic implications" of choosing an aggressive "suppression" strategy rather than milder measures aimed at "mitigation."


In his testimony, Ferguson conceded that the economic impact of a nationwide lockdown is "a very important consideration"—"one that the government and scientists are grappling with." And he noted an important aspect of the epidemic that should inform any attempt to weigh costs and benefits.


"We don't know what the level of excess deaths will be in this epidemic," Ferguson said. In other words, we don't know the extent to which COVID-19 will increase annual deaths above the level that otherwise would have been expected. "By the end of the year, what proportion of those people who've died from COVID-19 would have died anyhow?" Ferguson asked. "It might be as much as half to two-thirds of the deaths we're seeing from COVID-19, because it's affecting people who are either at the end of their lives or in poor health conditions. So I think these considerations are very valid."


Although a cost-benefit analysis that considers not just deaths but years of life lost "sounds very utilitarian," Ferguson said, the issue is obviously relevant. An epidemic that primarily kills healthy children, teenagers, young adults, and middle-aged people will result in a much bigger loss than an epidemic that primarily affects the elderly and people with serious pre-existing medical conditions.


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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, that observation does not mean the lives of the people who are most vulnerable to COVID-19 are "expendable" or that "we'll just sacrifice old people." But it does, or at least should, figure in policy decisions that may be economically ruinous, imposing severe burdens on millions of innocent people who are vulnerable for different reasons.

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Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.

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Spatulapup wrote: A reporter asks Trump a question he doesn't like and Trump says "Don't be a cutie pie" and then brags about what a good job has been done. The response to the virus was completely botched and Trump can't deal with it or does not care. These talks should be about the virus but Trump turns into his issues he has.
He's still ur president.

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WongLee wrote: Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.
My wife and I, separately, know for a fact that we were both super exposed at work and it’s a miracle that neither of us got it. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.
My wife and I, separately, know for a fact that we were both super exposed at work and it’s a miracle that neither of us got it.
hopefully it stays that way.

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Portalesman wrote: Spatulapup wrote: A reporter asks Trump a question he doesn't like and Trump says "Don't be a cutie pie" and then brags about what a good job has been done. The response to the virus was completely botched and Trump can't deal with it or does not care. These talks should be about the virus but Trump turns into his issues he has.
He's still ur president.

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.
My wife and I, separately, know for a fact that we were both super exposed at work and it’s a miracle that neither of us got it.
hopefully it stays that way.

At the maximum incubation period of 14 days, we’re right at the point where we would’ve showed symptoms by now. And really within 5-7 days you should know if there’s a problem. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I’ve heard conflicting reports of the pop up morgues being set up in New York. Anyone on the front lines care to comment on the validity?
I'm trapped in my neighborhood near Westchester and haven't been in Manhattan for 2 weeks so not sure what it looks like there.


Elmhurst Hospital in Queens has at least one refrigerated trailer being used as a morgue. Things are really bad there right now.

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srossi wrote: khawk wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.
My wife and I, separately, know for a fact that we were both super exposed at work and it’s a miracle that neither of us got it.
hopefully it stays that way.

At the maximum incubation period of 14 days, we’re right at the point where we would’ve showed symptoms by now. And really within 5-7 days you should know if there’s a problem. 
Good.hopefilly your exposure from here on in is minimal.

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Spatulapup wrote: A reporter asks Trump a question he doesn't like and Trump says "Don't be a cutie pie" and then brags about what a good job has been done. The response to the virus was completely botched and Trump can't deal with it or does not care. These talks should be about the virus but Trump turns it into his issues he has.


Does he turn it or do the reporters turn it by asking cute questions? 

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Just as a microcosm of society as a whole. I wonder if any of we esteemed denizens of the Beej Board have this. I figure I have an excellent shot at it as I've been going to work every single day and I take public transportation. Is it to late to add me in the 2020 Death Pool? One good thing is, even though I work for the largest hospital in Long Island, I'm not stationed in the hospital itself. Stony Brook has become Ground Zero for COVID-19 on Long Island. I'm more worried about my parents. My father is 91 and my mother is 88. But like me, they seem not capable of dying so who knows.
My wife and I, separately, know for a fact that we were both super exposed at work and it’s a miracle that neither of us got it.
hopefully it stays that way.

At the maximum incubation period of 14 days, we’re right at the point where we would’ve showed symptoms by now. And really within 5-7 days you should know if there’s a problem. 
Good.hopefilly your exposure from here on in is minimal.


I'm counting off the days myself. I had meetings at a hospital on the same floor, in a suite right next to a testing area 4 separate days in the last 15, with the last one this past Wednesday.

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I live New Jersey and my Wife and even my Father-In-Law is taking this very seriously. Granted that I live in the beautiful Southern part of the state and not near the epicenter of the Northern section of the state and we don't have nearly as many cases. I'm 49 and my immune system is compromised from having Lymphoma and I also have moderate COPD from having the chemo damage my lungs during treatment. When you see cities bringing in portable MASH type hospitals to tend to the possible dead and even Philly using Temple's Liacouras center and their other buildings for hospital beds, then you know it's nothing to play with. They don't exactly do this for the Flu.

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Here is my story.

In early February I started feeling sick. Cough, slight fever, achy, basically flu like symptoms. I had the flu in February 2019 and this felt the same so I figured I had it again. I went to my doctor and he gave me a flu test which came back negative. He said he felt like I did have the flu and we treated it a such, a week off of work, Tamiflu, cough medicine, etc.

A few days in, and I didn't feel any better. Still no alarm. I didn't feel terrible, but not good either.

I went back to work on the Monday after still nursing a nagging cough and tons of congestion. I have never had pneumonia, but I felt like this is what pneumonia feels like. I made it about halfway through the day and gave up and went home.

Went back to the doctor the next day and he said I had an upper respiratory infection and gave me an antibiotic and more cough medicine, etc. I spent Tuesday at home and went back to work on Wednesday. Still nursing the cough, but not really feeling that bad.

Fast forward about a week later and all the Covid-19 stuff is hitting the news. I still have a little cough that won't go away and I am constantly clearing my throat.

My wife is convinced I had Covid-19 the first time I went to the doctor back in February. I don't know where I would have got it from. No exposure that I can remember. But who knows?

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brodiescomics wrote: Here is my story.

In early February I started feeling sick. Cough, slight fever, achy, basically flu like symptoms. I had the flu in February 2019 and this felt the same so I figured I had it again. I went to my doctor and he gave me a flu test which came back negative. He said he felt like I did have the flu and we treated it a such, a week off of work, Tamiflu, cough medicine, etc.

A few days in, and I didn't feel any better. Still no alarm. I didn't feel terrible, but not good either.

I went back to work on the Monday after still nursing a nagging cough and tons of congestion. I have never had pneumonia, but I felt like this is what pneumonia feels like. I made it about halfway through the day and gave up and went home.

Went back to the doctor the next day and he said I had an upper respiratory infection and gave me an antibiotic and more cough medicine, etc. I spent Tuesday at home and went back to work on Wednesday. Still nursing the cough, but not really feeling that bad.

Fast forward about a week later and all the Covid-19 stuff is hitting the news. I still have a little cough that won't go away and I am constantly clearing my throat.

My wife is convinced I had Covid-19 the first time I went to the doctor back in February. I don't know where I would have got it from. No exposure that I can remember. But who knows?

I was diagnosed with pneumonia about 3 weeks before everything in New Jersey hit. Haven't felt that sick since I had chemo 10 years ago.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Here is my story.

In early February I started feeling sick. Cough, slight fever, achy, basically flu like symptoms. I had the flu in February 2019 and this felt the same so I figured I had it again. I went to my doctor and he gave me a flu test which came back negative. He said he felt like I did have the flu and we treated it a such, a week off of work, Tamiflu, cough medicine, etc.

A few days in, and I didn't feel any better. Still no alarm. I didn't feel terrible, but not good either.

I went back to work on the Monday after still nursing a nagging cough and tons of congestion. I have never had pneumonia, but I felt like this is what pneumonia feels like. I made it about halfway through the day and gave up and went home.

Went back to the doctor the next day and he said I had an upper respiratory infection and gave me an antibiotic and more cough medicine, etc. I spent Tuesday at home and went back to work on Wednesday. Still nursing the cough, but not really feeling that bad.

Fast forward about a week later and all the Covid-19 stuff is hitting the news. I still have a little cough that won't go away and I am constantly clearing my throat.

My wife is convinced I had Covid-19 the first time I went to the doctor back in February. I don't know where I would have got it from. No exposure that I can remember. But who knows?

I was diagnosed with pneumonia about 3 weeks before everything in New Jersey hit. Haven't felt that sick since I had chemo 10 years ago.

I have nothing to back this up as I’m a data analyst and not a doctor, but I’m convinced that Covid has been around longer than we realize and many of us likely had it at one point or another this winter when doctors couldn’t pinpoint our symptoms to the flu or anything else. 

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cookie32723 wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Here is my story.

In early February I started feeling sick. Cough, slight fever, achy, basically flu like symptoms. I had the flu in February 2019 and this felt the same so I figured I had it again. I went to my doctor and he gave me a flu test which came back negative. He said he felt like I did have the flu and we treated it a such, a week off of work, Tamiflu, cough medicine, etc.

A few days in, and I didn't feel any better. Still no alarm. I didn't feel terrible, but not good either.

I went back to work on the Monday after still nursing a nagging cough and tons of congestion. I have never had pneumonia, but I felt like this is what pneumonia feels like. I made it about halfway through the day and gave up and went home.

Went back to the doctor the next day and he said I had an upper respiratory infection and gave me an antibiotic and more cough medicine, etc. I spent Tuesday at home and went back to work on Wednesday. Still nursing the cough, but not really feeling that bad.

Fast forward about a week later and all the Covid-19 stuff is hitting the news. I still have a little cough that won't go away and I am constantly clearing my throat.

My wife is convinced I had Covid-19 the first time I went to the doctor back in February. I don't know where I would have got it from. No exposure that I can remember. But who knows?

I was diagnosed with pneumonia about 3 weeks before everything in New Jersey hit. Haven't felt that sick since I had chemo 10 years ago.

I have nothing to back this up as I’m a data analyst and not a doctor, but I’m convinced that Covid has been around longer than we realize and many of us likely had it at one point or another this winter when doctors couldn’t pinpoint our symptoms to the flu or anything else. 

Coronavirus has been around forever and we all knew about it. The issue is that this is a new strain that we can’t get a handle on yet. So various mutations of Coronavirus to get us to this point have no doubt been out there for months of not years. 

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Here’s John’s Hopkins war games simulation of how a novel coronavirus outbreak would go, published in October. Sounds very coincidental but John’s Hopkins and organizations like them play out these scenarios all the time. The point is, it was more inevitable than surprising to anyone who was paying attention.

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html?utm_source=fbia

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You know thngs are bad when you're asking A-Rod for advice.


President Donald Trump apparently reached out to more in the sports world than just Tampa Bay quarterback Tom Brady this week while dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trump spoke with former New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez on the phone this week from the Oval Office, according to ABC News’ John Santucci.



Trump was seeking Rodriguez’s thoughts on his response to the coronavirus, and had a “pleasant” conversation, per the report.


During marathon day of meetings earlier this week, President Trump continued outreach across the country regarding coronavirus & phoned former Yankees baseball player Alex Rodriguez. Multiple sources tell ABC, the president spoke to ARod from the Oval Office via me & @KFaulders

— John Santucci (@Santucci) March 28, 2020
There were more than 100,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the United States as of Friday night, according to The New York Times, the most among any country in the world, and more than 44,600 cases in New York alone.

The news comes just one day after Trump managed to bring up Brady during a coronavirus briefing, although it wasn’t exactly clear why he did.

“After a meeting with the world leaders, I spoke with the governors of our 50 states and territories,” Trump said Thursday. “Our team has been in constant communication with the governors, and we had a terrific meeting.

“Somebody in the fake news said that one of the governors said ‘oh we need Tom Brady.’ I said ‘yeah.’ He meant that in a positive way. He said ‘we need Tom Brady. We’re gonna do great.’ And he meant it very positively. But they took it differently. They think Tom Brady should be leading the effort. That’s only fake news. And I like Tom Brady. Spoke to him the other day. He’s a great guy.”

It’s likely that Trump was attempting to get back at Washington Gov. Jay Inslee by invoking Brady at the briefing. Inslee was quoted in a Washington Post story on Thursday morning as saying, “We need a Tom Brady” while pleading for more dramatic action from the president and for more medical supplies for his state amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Trump has had a tumultuous relationship with Rodriguez, and has slammed him publicly multiple times in the past. He called Rodriguez a “bad guy” in an Entertainment Tonight interview in 2013, and once predicted that Rodriguez “will go down as the biggest sports embarrassment of all time.


Druggie @AROD is now scheming to sue the @Yankees. He will go down as the biggest sports embarrassment of all time.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2013
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.

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srossi wrote: cookie32723 wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Here is my story.

In early February I started feeling sick. Cough, slight fever, achy, basically flu like symptoms. I had the flu in February 2019 and this felt the same so I figured I had it again. I went to my doctor and he gave me a flu test which came back negative. He said he felt like I did have the flu and we treated it a such, a week off of work, Tamiflu, cough medicine, etc.

A few days in, and I didn't feel any better. Still no alarm. I didn't feel terrible, but not good either.

I went back to work on the Monday after still nursing a nagging cough and tons of congestion. I have never had pneumonia, but I felt like this is what pneumonia feels like. I made it about halfway through the day and gave up and went home.

Went back to the doctor the next day and he said I had an upper respiratory infection and gave me an antibiotic and more cough medicine, etc. I spent Tuesday at home and went back to work on Wednesday. Still nursing the cough, but not really feeling that bad.

Fast forward about a week later and all the Covid-19 stuff is hitting the news. I still have a little cough that won't go away and I am constantly clearing my throat.

My wife is convinced I had Covid-19 the first time I went to the doctor back in February. I don't know where I would have got it from. No exposure that I can remember. But who knows?

I was diagnosed with pneumonia about 3 weeks before everything in New Jersey hit. Haven't felt that sick since I had chemo 10 years ago.

I have nothing to back this up as I’m a data analyst and not a doctor, but I’m convinced that Covid has been around longer than we realize and many of us likely had it at one point or another this winter when doctors couldn’t pinpoint our symptoms to the flu or anything else. 

Coronavirus has been around forever and we all knew about it. The issue is that this is a new strain that we can’t get a handle on yet. So various mutations of Coronavirus to get us to this point have no doubt been out there for months of not years.
I think he is talking about this particular strain.

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What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.

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This is sobering news

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Got a cliff notes version of that video? I can't sit through 16 minutes of british monotone lol

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khawk wrote: Got a cliff notes version of that video? I can't sit through 16 minutes of british monotone lol
We are scarred from listening to Lord James Blears call AWA matches back in '86 and '87 :)

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khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote:
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.
I doubt it. If it was a celeb name dropping scheme, why would he choose A-Rod? Trump is on record not liking him, most of the brown people will never like Trump regardless, and most people know A-Rod is a douchbag.

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Knicks owner James Dolan tested positive. So finally NYers have a reason to be happy.

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srossi wrote: Knicks owner James Dolan tested positive. So finally NYers have a reason to be happy.Charles Oakley and Spike Lee just toasted each other.

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Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote:
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.
I doubt it. If it was a celeb name dropping scheme, why would he choose A-Rod? Trump is on record not liking him, most of the brown people will never like Trump regardless, and most people know A-Rod is a douchbag.
You assume he remembers things from that far back. I won't give himThat kind of credit.

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Maybe had it but I never went to a hospital or clinic. 

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khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote:
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.
I doubt it. If it was a celeb name dropping scheme, why would he choose A-Rod? Trump is on record not liking him, most of the brown people will never like Trump regardless, and most people know A-Rod is a douchbag.
You assume he remembers things from that far back. I won't give himThat kind of credit.
Everyone remembers A-Rod is a douchbag!

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Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote:
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.
I doubt it. If it was a celeb name dropping scheme, why would he choose A-Rod? Trump is on record not liking him, most of the brown people will never like Trump regardless, and most people know A-Rod is a douchbag.
You assume he remembers things from that far back. I won't give himThat kind of credit.
Everyone remembers A-Rod is a douchbag!

A-Rod has proven himself to be a really good analyst so he’s rehabbed his image somewhat. 

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The Butcher's shop that we go to has totally revamped their service. After having lines that wrap around the building, you know call ahead for your order and you pay that way. They call you when the order is ready, you drive over to the door, ring a doorbell and they come to you. No one is allowed in the store currently. This morning, they called at 6:30 AM for us to come and get our purchase and it's still the same great price, service with the only exception is that you can't by cases of meat. Another butcher about 10 minutes to the East of us has a person that takes your name and phone number and you have to go back to your call and wait for them to call you in. They are a slaughter house as well and you want to stay inside just from the stench.

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: khawk wrote: lobo316 wrote:
What Trump gained from his call with Rodriguez — or why he’s even calling the ESPN analyst who has zero medical background — amid the global crisis is a mystery.That's easy. He got to name drop a celeb and, in his mind, make himself look more important and special. Like pretty much everything else he does.
I doubt it. If it was a celeb name dropping scheme, why would he choose A-Rod? Trump is on record not liking him, most of the brown people will never like Trump regardless, and most people know A-Rod is a douchbag.
You assume he remembers things from that far back. I won't give himThat kind of credit.
Everyone remembers A-Rod is a douchbag!

A-Rod has proven himself to be a really good analyst so he’s rehabbed his image somewhat.

Still a douchebag.

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So I’ve heard it reported Cuomo asked for 30k ventilators, then that New York actually has a large stockpile that if distributed would be sufficient to meet the current needs.

Then i saw it reported Cuomo said the 30k is what’s needed to meet the projection. Well where do the projections and deliveries intersect? If they meet before it gets bad then why the complaining? If they don’t then what can be done to close the gap?


What prevented hospitals from stocking up on supplies year over year? Was it a matter of not wanting to have a large dollar amount on the books for slow moving inventory? Why do we only see people complaining about the federal government on tv and not about their employers lack of foresight?

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Franchise wrote: So I’ve heard it reported Cuomo asked for 30k ventilators, then that New York actually has a large stockpile that if distributed would be sufficient to meet the current needs.

Then i saw it reported Cuomo said the 30k is what’s needed to meet the projection. Well where do the projections and deliveries intersect? If they meet before it gets bad then why the complaining? If they don’t then what can be done to close the gap?


What prevented hospitals from stocking up on supplies year over year? Was it a matter of not wanting to have a large dollar amount on the books for slow moving inventory? Why do we only see people complaining about the federal government on tv and not about their employers lack of foresight?
There is nothing more corrupt in the entire world than American hospitals. I used to work at Kaiser Permanente. Nothing but horror stories.


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73-year old folk singing legend John Prime is hospitalized in critical condition with Coronavirus. It might be anecdotal evidence, but our Dead Pool is absolutely filled now with minor to major celebrities who have died from this, and I can’t remember posting most than a couple of people who die from the flu in any given year.

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Joe Diffie, a country singer who had some big hits in the 90s died yesterday of Covid 19 as did Alan Merrill who played in a band called The Arrows in the 70s.  He's best known for writing I Love Rock And Roll which Joan Jett had a huge hit with.

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Trump has extended social distancing guidelines for another 30 days, backing off of his asinine Easter proclamation. He also predicts “great things” by June 1, a date he pulled out of his ass.

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srossi wrote: Trump has extended social distancing guidelines for another 30 days, backing off of his asinine Easter proclamation. He also predicts “great things” by June 1, a date he pulled out of his ass.Is it even up to the Feds at this point or is it a state-by-state thing right now?

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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: Trump has extended social distancing guidelines for another 30 days, backing off of his asinine Easter proclamation. He also predicts “great things” by June 1, a date he pulled out of his ass.Is it even up to the Feds at this point or is it a state-by-state thing right now?

It's state by state, but federal guidelines still mean something to people who believe in the Tooth Fairy.

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srossi wrote: Trump has extended social distancing guidelines for another 30 days, backing off of his asinine Easter proclamation. He also predicts “great things” by June 1, a date he pulled out of his ass.

I think Trump has to give people a degree of hope or people are going to go haywire. Him changing the date 14 times would be better than him announcing tomorrow that some day in 2022 will be the end of this. 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Trump has extended social distancing guidelines for another 30 days, backing off of his asinine Easter proclamation. He also predicts “great things” by June 1, a date he pulled out of his ass.

I think Trump has to give people a degree of hope or people are going to go haywire. Him changing the date 14 times would be better than him announcing tomorrow that some day in 2022 will be the end of this.

I think he's more concerned with giving himself hope.  He has the election wrapped up either way though now due to Biden's unprecedented incompetence during this period, but still a ravaged economy is not good for him.

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Speaking of Biden, is he dead?

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srossi wrote: 73-year old folk singing legend John Prime is hospitalized in critical condition with Coronavirus. It might be anecdotal evidence, but our Dead Pool is absolutely filled now with minor to major celebrities who have died from this, and I can’t remember posting most than a couple of people who die from the flu in any given year.
But KGB said it's, nothing then the flu, this Corona Virus.

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khawk wrote: Speaking of Biden, is he dead?
He only wishes he was.  His interviews from in front of some weird green screen the last couple of days making it look like he's not in a bunker or in the hospital have been humiliating.  He can't string 2 words together anymore.  His deterioration even in the last 3 weeks is so noticeable that the Democratic leadership absolutely has to make a statement soon. 

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This is shaping up to be one weird time; Unless Joe has a sudden turn around any debate is going to be a landslide in Trump’s favor.

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Franchise wrote: This is shaping up to be one weird time; Unless Joe has a sudden turn around any debate is going to be a landslide in Trump’s favor.

Those live TV interviews he did were just a trainwreck. Stopping half-way through sentences and just giving up. At least when Trump changes his mind about about Covid-19 every day he always speaks with confidence, so if you aren't paying attention it sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I wouldn't let Biden run a newspaper stand, let alone a country. 

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khawk wrote: Speaking of Biden, is he dead?Was be ever alive in the first place? I broke the news that he might have the virus right here before anybody. A Barry Horowitz pat on my back.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: This is shaping up to be one weird time; Unless Joe has a sudden turn around any debate is going to be a landslide in Trump’s favor.

Those live TV interviews he did were just a trainwreck. Stopping half-way through sentences and just giving up. At least when Trump changes his mind about about Covid-19 every day he always speaks with confidence, so if you aren't paying attention it sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I wouldn't let Biden run a newspaper stand, let alone a country. 

I have many establishment Democrat friends and they have given up on Biden. Their great hope is that he chooses Hillary as his running mate and then dies. They have admitted that he can’t lead the country. But they don’t want Bernie either and obviously would vote for a corpse over Trump. They realize he’s not winning though. This is something they never would’ve admitted even 3 weeks ago. 

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: This is shaping up to be one weird time; Unless Joe has a sudden turn around any debate is going to be a landslide in Trump’s favor.

Those live TV interviews he did were just a trainwreck. Stopping half-way through sentences and just giving up. At least when Trump changes his mind about about Covid-19 every day he always speaks with confidence, so if you aren't paying attention it sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I wouldn't let Biden run a newspaper stand, let alone a country. 

I have many establishment Democrat friends and they have given up on Biden. Their great hope is that he chooses Hillary as his running mate and then dies. They have admitted that he can’t lead the country. But they don’t want Bernie either and obviously would vote for a corpse over Trump. They realize he’s not winning though. This is something they never would’ve admitted even 3 weeks ago. 
That's because most democrats are dumber than dirt.

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As far as the election goes, who knows what will happen? In mid 1991 who could ever have guessed that George HW Bush would lose in 1992? I have to say that I expected Trump to win simply because the Democrats had such an uninspiring group of candidates and the economy was in decent shape.

The Covid-19 crisis makes everything a wildcard from here on in. If the body count starts getting out of hand in the next month or so, that could bounce back badly on Trump for mishandling things as could the inevitable recession due to unemployment rising (many of those who have been laid off won't get those jobs back) and possible inflation due to potentially scarcer goods and merchants trying to make up lost purchases with higher prices.

Then again, once the crisis ends, and eventually it will, I expect that people with the ability to do so will unleash a great amount of pent up consumer demand by spending money on numerous things ranging from meals out to movie tickets to fun items like TVs and new phones to postponed vacations. If that recovery happens soon enough for Trump, he's going to be able to ride the wave in November. Right now, it's too unpredictable to say what will happen precisely.

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tamalie wrote: As far as the election goes, who knows what will happen? In mid 1991 who could ever have guessed that George HW Bush would lose in 1992? I have to say that I expected Trump to win simply because the Democrats had such an uninspiring group of candidates and the economy was in decent shape.

The Covid-19 crisis makes everything a wildcard from here on in. If the body count starts getting out of hand in the next month or so, that could bounce back badly on Trump for mishandling things as could the inevitable recession due to unemployment rising (many of those who have been laid off won't get those jobs back) and possible inflation due to potentially scarcer goods and merchants trying to make up lost purchases with higher prices.

Then again, once the crisis ends, and eventually it will, I expect that people with the ability to do so will unleash a great amount of pent up consumer demand by spending money on numerous things ranging from meals out to movie tickets to fun items like TVs and new phones to postponed vacations. If that recovery happens soon enough for Trump, he's going to be able to ride the wave in November. Right now, it's too unpredictable to say what will happen precisely.

I think it drives home what a spectacular disaster Biden has been that he can't pick up any momentum during a period where criticism is rampant of Trump's handling of this response.  At best it should be a push, but Trump is actually gaining ground simply because Biden disappeared for 2+ weeks and then when he tried to do remote interviews, they were all an incoherent mess.  And this happened just as Biden finished off Bernie and Bernie was basically told to stop campaigning.  The timing couldn't have been worse for the Dems.  It's too late to switch out their candidate and Biden barely seems able to still be breathing by November.

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Regardless of whether it would work and I don't even know if it could work per the Democratic party nominating rules, but could a draft Cuomo movement get any momentum? He seems to be the Democrat who is getting the highest profile right now and seems to generally get praised.

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tamalie wrote: Regardless of whether it would work and I don't even know if it could work per the Democratic party nominating rules, but could a draft Cuomo movement get any momentum? He seems to be the Democrat who is getting the highest profile right now and seems to generally get praised.
That's what Democrats want but I don't see any way that would work.  Biden would need to drop out first, and then how does Cuomo get the nomination over Bernie when the primaries are pretty much over?  Cuomo has 0 delegates.  

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srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: Regardless of whether it would work and I don't even know if it could work per the Democratic party nominating rules, but could a draft Cuomo movement get any momentum? He seems to be the Democrat who is getting the highest profile right now and seems to generally get praised.
That's what Democrats want but I don't see any way that would work.  Biden would need to drop out first, and then how does Cuomo get the nomination over Bernie when the primaries are pretty much over?  Cuomo has 0 delegates.  

If Biden endorsed Cuomo, his delegates could vote for Cuomo, no? They also have the superdelegates.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: Regardless of whether it would work and I don't even know if it could work per the Democratic party nominating rules, but could a draft Cuomo movement get any momentum? He seems to be the Democrat who is getting the highest profile right now and seems to generally get praised.
That's what Democrats want but I don't see any way that would work.  Biden would need to drop out first, and then how does Cuomo get the nomination over Bernie when the primaries are pretty much over?  Cuomo has 0 delegates.  

If Biden endorsed Cuomo, his delegates could vote for Cuomo, no? They also have the superdelegates.

I don’t know if that’s how it works for a candidate not even registered to run at the time of the primaries. Of course the DNC is so corrupt they can make up their own rules, but officially that doesn’t sound right. Otherwise you could literally make anyone the nominee through bait and switch tactics. 

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Infamous wrote: Cuomo is too New Yawk for rest of 'Murica
Yeah unlike Trump. 

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srossi wrote: Infamous wrote: Cuomo is too New Yawk for rest of 'Murica
Yeah unlike Trump. 

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I'll say it right now, and trust me, I'll be happy to be wrong on this, but I'm pretty certain Biden is gonna be our next President..

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Married Jo wrote: I'll say it right now, and trust me, I'll be happy to be wrong on this, but I'm pretty certain Biden is gonna be our next President..I'll only feel good about that if his VP pick is "competent"...since I can see him being not competent himself sooner than later (worse than now I mean)...or his advisor panel is better than The Don's. I don't know that it would or wouldn't be...such a mess down your way right now. :(

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The people behind Biden should be ashamed of themselves for letting him run. He is just not "with it". Is there anyway the DNC could get him out of the live debates with Trump?

I'm sure the republicans would fight tooth and nail if they tried to.

If not then that is going to be an unprecedented disaster for them. The only way Biden comes out of them in one piece is if the enough Republican voters take sympathy on him and see Trump for the bully he is. It might be better for Trump to go a little soft on Biden, but you know that would happen. He is going to humiliate the man in front of the world.

We will learn a lot when the DNC picks his running mate. Do you really think Hillary as VP could turn the tide for the Dems?

Was Michelle Obama just a rumor, or do you think she could be put in that slot?


I thought I saw this morning in my YouTube recommendations that Biden has a podcast now, is that correct?

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Today the Navy sent the USS Comfort into NY harbor with 1,200 medical staff on board and room to treat hundreds of less critical patients to free up hospital space.  The ship was last here after 9/11. In typical NY fashion, hundreds of people gathered to watch the ship come in and gave DeBlasio a conniption.

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srossi wrote: Today the Navy sent the USS Comfort into NY harbor with 1,200 medical staff on board and room to treat hundreds of less critical patients to free up hospital space.  The ship was last here after 9/11. In typical NY fashion, hundreds of people gathered to watch the ship come in and gave DeBlasio a conniption.

Didn't Trump do some photo-op onboard it over the weekend?

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Serious question. Biden did okay during the debate with Bernie. This has a lot to do with him being given softball questions and the fact that Bernie is too much of a pussy to hit him hard. Okay, is Biden pumped up with some sort of drugs where he can perform decently for two hours?

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This is the start of the 3rd week that my 7 year old son has been home from school. The first 2 weeks, their homework was seperated in 2, 1 week packets. This week was the start of using an app called seesaw and what a pain in the ass this has been. My wife's office decided finally to shutdown this week until further notice, so she's handling the homework duties for now. I don't think my little guy will be going back to school until September.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: This is the start of the 3rd week that my 7 year old son has been home from school. The first 2 weeks, their homework was seperated in 2, 1 week packets. This week was the start of using an app called seesaw and what a pain in the ass this has been. My wife's office decided finally to shutdown this week until further notice, so she's handling the homework duties for now. I don't think my little guy will be going back to school until September.
DeBlasio said today that the NYC schools will likely not re-open this year, but in true DeBlasio fashion he’s still sticking to April 20 as a hopeful date, as if there’s any possibility of that at all. 

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More an more summer events are being canceled. We had a season pass to Legoland’s grand opening in NY, and they just sent an email saying they won’t open now until summer 2021. Concerts and festivals deeper into the summer are getting postponed too. It’s really starting to look like the whole year is a wash, or at least until Labor Day. There’s no way we avoid another another Great Depression if that’s the case.  A ons month shutdown is catastrophic, a 6 month one and more than half the population of the planet is basically ruined forever. 

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If we spiral into another great depression, this will be the legacy of the Democrats and their free government abortions. Trump is only one man against an army of people who hate him because he loves his country and freedom. Another reason to see the Democrats for what they are. They want us all to die.

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Trump on twitter bragging about his ratings while people die. He just does not care. How anyone can still support this guy after one of his Corona campaign rally pressers will never be understood. The death tallies are just like poll numbers to him. Now he is saying the impeachment may have distracted him from being prepared for the virus.lol

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It distracted the Dems that’s for sure.


If you have the time click on the link I posted above. He kind of gives a timeline of sorts with Tom Cotton leading the charge early on.


Obviously I don’t know him personally but I don’t ever get the feeling that Trump doesn’t care I think he is stuck walking a tight rope between people dying from the virus and dying from a recession / depression.

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I think that, at least right now, Trump is focusing on the economy when this whole mess ends. He is listening to the doctors and following their advice, but he is looking ahead to what happens when the covid mess is over. Him wanting the country to be back open for business by Easter was kind of ridiculous but it also helped by making people realize that we will survive this (or most of us, anyway). I'd rather him go out and be absurdly optimistic than go out and tell us all about the doom and gloom.

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All of Pennsylvania is now on a stay at home order.

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wittman2 wrote: I think that, at least right now, Trump is focusing on the economy when this whole mess ends. He is listening to the doctors and following their advice, but he is looking ahead to what happens when the covid mess is over. Him wanting the country to be back open for business by Easter was kind of ridiculous but it also helped by making people realize that we will survive this (or most of us, anyway). I'd rather him go out and be absurdly optimistic than go out and tell us all about the doom and gloom.

People are dead and dying because of Trump's optimism.

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And if he was doom and gloom he would have been called a fear monger. He really can’t win; Biden called him xenophobic (not for the travel ban specifically but for the handling in general according to his staff) the media flips on whatever he says.

I think in some cases the personal handling of this situation was poor. There are plenty of stories and accounts of people breaking quarantine, attending spring break, having COVID parties, going to work at non essential businesses. Could someone say the attitude was top down? Maybe but at the same time if Trump came out and said worst case scenario stuff there would have been rioting in the streets for the end of the world.


I suppose one might say if only the world responded like how South Korea did then we all would be in a better place.

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Franchise wrote: And if he was doom and gloom he would have been called a fear monger. He really can’t win; Biden called him xenophobic (not for the travel ban specifically but for the handling in general according to his staff) the media flips on whatever he says.

I think it's easy enough to sit back as a rational human being and see him for what he is: A man with no empathy, narcissistic to the point that how many people are watching him and how many people will vote for him again is more important than how many die under his watch.
I don't need any media spin to see that clearly with my own eyes...maybe it's because I'm Canadian? lol

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I think Trump is doing a good job and I've been known for being rational but I’ve also been told I lack empathy so take that for what it’s worth.


I heard someone say a thing was trending the other day #Chinaliedpeopledied can anyone confirm that?

Is CCPvirus a modern day acceptable phrase? I see it being used by some but not all. 

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Duly noted, on both counts.

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I edited my previous post to add those 2 questions at the bottom

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Does anyone here know anyone that has or had the Coronavirus?

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2 people; not friends but industry colleagues

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Does anyone here know anyone that has or had the Coronavirus?
At least a dozen people I work with, 3 closely that I was exposed to, but that was 3 weeks ago now. 

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Vintage Wrestling wrote: Does anyone here know anyone that has or had the Coronavirus?

Yes...but that's more because I'm an RN. So far I've had 3 patients last weekend with it. Also a few of my coworkers have it and are now on quarantine. 

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Posted this on facebook also. This is a former coworker of mine who's a travel nurse and is now working at a hospital in the Bronx as a traveller


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Follow up to Vintages post - for those of you who know someone with it, how are they doing?

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I haven’t heard from either person but that’s not unusual like I said we weren’t friends just some people from the same industry.

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So my wife's assistant principal got a mild case a few weeks ago and recovered, but now her husband is in the hospital and it's very bad. So many people got this while DeBlasio dicked around refusing to close the schools and it's a miracle my wife didn't because she was in such close contact with so many. Now, to add insult to injury, in NYC everyone is losing their Spring Break and being told to remote teach with no additional pay. They are ready to riot since they're already so stressed by all this, and many fell sick. Where is this great union that everyone pays substantial dues to? Absolutely nowhere, just like all unions when you need them. They told everyone to be grateful they still have jobs when many others don't. Many teachers are threatening to stop paying their dues after all this is over. I really hope they break the teacher's union, but I know it'll blow over and most won't do shit. Just remember that at the end of the day, the union exists to exist, nothing more and nothing less.  They take the path of least resistance to continue to operate and take in money.  They're not there to help you. It's just a nightmare though. My wife trying to teach from home is a million times more difficult than just about anyone else working from home. These kids are lost and barely do anything even in class.

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wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 

My weekend work program partner just got a verbal warning from our manager and HR over a conference call on Tuesday. She refuses to take them unless provided an N95 mask or a PAPR. Mangement is refusing, saying the level 3 masks, covered with a level 1 mask are adequate. She Called in all last weekend....I know she's going to do the same this weekend....but once you call in 3 times within 3 months it's another write up. So that would be strike 2....I get her concerns....I"m sitting wondering how likely I pick this up and pass it on to my wife who has Asthma issues. 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 

My weekend work program partner just got a verbal warning from our manager and HR over a conference call on Tuesday. She refuses to take them unless provided an N95 mask or a PAPR. Mangement is refusing, saying the level 3 masks, covered with a level 1 mask are adequate. She Called in all last weekend....I know she's going to do the same this weekend....but once you call in 3 times within 3 months it's another write up. So that would be strike 2....I get her concerns....I"m sitting wondering how likely I pick this up and pass it on to my wife who has Asthma issues. 

Thats another question...any idea/word/examples of how this affects people with asthma? My wife has a mild asthma but its enough to make me concerned...

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Unfortunately I don't have any idea of how this will affect it...everything is still so new. CDC guidelines and information is pretty much changing daily. We get an updated email at work every shift. 

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So question for the board.... with everything going on, do you feel OK about eating takeout/drive through/delivery food? Or do you worry about people touching things that may have an undiagnosed case of the virus?

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I think this interview might be helpful. Although all cases vary slightly, this is the report of a "typical" case of an otherwise healthy person who contracted Covid and is able to recover. The interview was conducted by Gothamist and the subject is Zach, who was working from home starting March 11, earlier than most.

March 16th-17th

I woke up at 3 a.m. on Tuesday morning with sweats and the chills, and a headache and eye pain. I couldn't get back to sleep until around 6 a.m. I called my work, and on their advice, I called CityMD who told me to come in for an evaluation. I had been in contact with someone else who had been confirmed positive: because of this, they did a rapid flu test to make sure I didn't have the flu. It came back negative after around twenty minutes, then they gave me the COVID-19 test. Both flu and COVID tests felt identical, they put a swab up your nose and swish it around up there — quite uncomfortable.

Q: What was the CityMD experience like?

A: They said they would test for the flu and then Covid if flu came back negative — all the doctor said was that it would probably last a week or 10 days and to eat whatever I felt like if I was hungry (I guess some people have lack of desire to eat as a symptom). The experience was a little off-putting, only because everyone in the waiting room had masks and gloves on, and not knowing if I had it yet, it honestly felt like the worst place to be (had to use a touchscreen to register, pay with a card by handing it to front desk, touch handles on the front door etc.). The doctor told me I would get my results in 4 or 5 days, and told me to stay at home, drink water, rest and eat as I desired.

Q: The person you were in contact with who was positive, how prolonged was this contact? (I've been reading about how this and viral load may determine how sick a person gets.)

A: We were together for around an hour, assuming I got it from the person I think I did. We were not close together, but were talking to each other from essentially across a table.
March 18th-20th

For the next few days I had a mild cough and the chills on and off, eye pain and a headache that was gradually dissipating then coming back then dissipating again. I would feel extremely tired and out of breath after even mild activity.
March 21st

On Saturday, I felt back to normal again aside from a mild cough. They called me on Saturday to tell me that my test had come back positive, and to stay at home for at least 7 days after I had first felt symptoms.

March 22nd

On Sunday, I felt probably the worst I had the entire time with it — extremely fatigued and lethargic and unable to move from the sofa.

Q: Had you felt anything like this when sick before? Did you ever get to a point where you thought you should go to the hospital?

A: I have had all the individual symptoms before for illnesses here or there, but never the combination of them (or for as prolonged period of time). I was never ill enough that I thought I should go to the hospital, but even mild shortness of breath was the closest I got to panicking that would need to happen.
March 23rd

On Monday morning, I went right back to feeling good again, with a mild cough persisting.
March 24th-26th

I felt 90% back to full health, with a little bit of a cough and throat clearing to be done. The one thing that definitely took me by surprise is that I have heard it described as a "dry cough," but my cough was not dry, it was definitely chesty with phlegm etc. This led me to believe I didn't have COVID-19 when in fact I did. I also had diarrhea the day before my throat and respiratory symptoms kicked in — I was not sure if it related, but they asked me about it in CityMD! [Note: Recent data has suggested digestive issues could be an early symptom.]
March 27th

This was the first day I was 100% symptom free. I was able to go on my first run since I caught the virus, so barring anything unusual I’m at the end of my coronavirus journey.

Zach, who still feels well as of today, says that overall, "it felt like a low-medium intensity flu that kept vacillating seemingly randomly from day to day... Honestly, the strangest thing for me was how they would vacillate. For me, days 1, 2, 7 and 9 were the worst days of symptoms, which was a very strange feeling."

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wittman2 wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 

My weekend work program partner just got a verbal warning from our manager and HR over a conference call on Tuesday. She refuses to take them unless provided an N95 mask or a PAPR. Mangement is refusing, saying the level 3 masks, covered with a level 1 mask are adequate. She Called in all last weekend....I know she's going to do the same this weekend....but once you call in 3 times within 3 months it's another write up. So that would be strike 2....I get her concerns....I"m sitting wondering how likely I pick this up and pass it on to my wife who has Asthma issues. 

Thats another question...any idea/word/examples of how this affects people with asthma? My wife has a mild asthma but its enough to make me concerned...

I've had asthma since I was a child and I've had pneumonia 5 times, once putting me in the hospital. I'm taking this a lot more seriously than most are. In fact, this is maybe the first medical thing (involving me personally) I've ever taken really serious, so seriously I'm legit scared. I'm lucky I'm working from home except one day a week when I'm going in late in the day to pick up work but yesterday (the day I went in) there was a lot of people there still and I just sort of internally freaked and I think I'm done going ANYWHERE except once a week for now to pick up work and now I'm going to go in around 6pm when I'm SURE nobody will be there. 

One more thing if I can be serious for a minute..it's been about 18 months since Tammy passed away. I haven't been suicidal (not seriously) but honestly, I've really not cared if I lived or died since she passed, 6 months ago if someone told me "you've got terminal cancer" it probably would have put a smile on my face. But this thing? It's shown me one thing, I do NOT want to die just yet..

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wittman2 wrote: So question for the board.... with everything going on, do you feel OK about eating takeout/drive through/delivery food? Or do you worry about people touching things that may have an undiagnosed case of the virus?
Up until yesterday I was fine with it..but yesterday when I freaked out internally over this I think any chance I had of going to the local grill (which I've done a few times the last several weeks) to pick up dinner is over with until this dies down..

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Married Jo wrote: wittman2 wrote: So question for the board.... with everything going on, do you feel OK about eating takeout/drive through/delivery food? Or do you worry about people touching things that may have an undiagnosed case of the virus?
Up until yesterday I was fine with it..but yesterday when I freaked out internally over this I think any chance I had of going to the local grill (which I've done a few times the last several weeks) to pick up dinner is over with until this dies down..

We've been ordering out once or twice a week, mainly to try to help some of the local restaurants in our neighborhood that are really struggling.  As things get more serious, we may stop because I'm not really going to trust my life with the cooks or deliverymen in hoping that nothing gets contaminated.

Yesterday, I attempted to run errands for the first time since this all happened, including picking up some prescriptions at the pharmacy, making a liquor store run, and trading in my propane tank at Home Depot.  It was like armageddon.  I've never seen anything like it and it really hit home.  It took me a half hour to get into Walgreen's since they were limiting customers to 10 at a time, and there were nearly bare shelves and markings on the floor to stand 6 feet away from everyone else.  At the liquor store, they hung huge plastic sheets between the cashiers and the customers, like big sneeze guards.  Home Depot was impossible to get into, 2 hour wait times, so I gave up.  It took damn near all afternoon to do things that should've taken 45 minutes, and I didn't get it all done.  I dread the next time we need to go to the supermarket as things are only getting worse. 

Also, my bank branch closed down, although the ATM is still operating.  So what happens if/when the ATMs stop getting re-filled?  I hear there's already been a run on some banks because some people just feel more comfortable hoarding cash at home right now.  That's the last thing we need to really accelerate this inevitable depression that's guaranteed after today's unemployment report.

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Married Jo wrote: wittman2 wrote: So question for the board.... with everything going on, do you feel OK about eating takeout/drive through/delivery food? Or do you worry about people touching things that may have an undiagnosed case of the virus?
Up until yesterday I was fine with it..but yesterday when I freaked out internally over this I think any chance I had of going to the local grill (which I've done a few times the last several weeks) to pick up dinner is over with until this dies down..


We’ve done pick up a few times the last being Tuesday. We have a final Kroger order being delivered tomorrow for the foreseeable future and we have 2 amazon orders out in cyber space that can be be quarantined in our garage.

We had a regular cycle of deliveries and pick ups going but after the most recent shit hitting the fan estimation we figured it was time to circle the wagons. 

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srossi wrote: Married Jo wrote: wittman2 wrote: So question for the board.... with everything going on, do you feel OK about eating takeout/drive through/delivery food? Or do you worry about people touching things that may have an undiagnosed case of the virus?
Up until yesterday I was fine with it..but yesterday when I freaked out internally over this I think any chance I had of going to the local grill (which I've done a few times the last several weeks) to pick up dinner is over with until this dies down..

We've been ordering out once or twice a week, mainly to try to help some of the local restaurants in our neighborhood that are really struggling.  As things get more serious, we may stop because I'm not really going to trust my life with the cooks or deliverymen in hoping that nothing gets contaminated.

Yesterday, I attempted to run errands for the first time since this all happened, including picking up some prescriptions at the pharmacy, making a liquor store run, and trading in my propane tank at Home Depot.  It was like armageddon.  I've never seen anything like it and it really hit home.  It took me a half hour to get into Walgreen's since they were limiting customers to 10 at a time, and there were nearly bare shelves and markings on the floor to stand 6 feet away from everyone else.  At the liquor store, they hung huge plastic sheets between the cashiers and the customers, like big sneeze guards.  Home Depot was impossible to get into, 2 hour wait times, so I gave up.  It took damn near all afternoon to do things that should've taken 45 minutes, and I didn't get it all done.  I dread the next time we need to go to the supermarket as things are only getting worse. 

Also, my bank branch closed down, although the ATM is still operating.  So what happens if/when the ATMs stop getting re-filled?  I hear there's already been a run on some banks because some people just feel more comfortable hoarding cash at home right now.  That's the last thing we need to really accelerate this inevitable depression that's guaranteed after today's unemployment report.


I thought about taking cash out but i don’t really see the point my debit card and credit card will work until Armageddon and at that point cash would be worthless anyways. 

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Problem with the debit and credit cards is you either hand them to someone to run (drive through) or use a keypad to use them yourself..and everyone and their mother has used those keypads..so you're playing Russian roulette with those cards when it comes to passing the virus..

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Married Jo wrote: Problem with the debit and credit cards is you either hand them to someone to run (drive through) or use a keypad to use them yourself..and everyone and their mother has used those keypads..so you're playing Russian roulette with those cards when it comes to passing the virus..

You don't have contactless payments in the US?

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Married Jo wrote: Problem with the debit and credit cards is you either hand them to someone to run (drive through) or use a keypad to use them yourself..and everyone and their mother has used those keypads..so you're playing Russian roulette with those cards when it comes to passing the virus..
If you use cash they have to make change unless you are just telling everyone to keep the change or carry a piggy bank to make exact change. 
75% of our purchases have been online and will be 100% online for the near future. 

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Kriss wrote: Married Jo wrote: Problem with the debit and credit cards is you either hand them to someone to run (drive through) or use a keypad to use them yourself..and everyone and their mother has used those keypads..so you're playing Russian roulette with those cards when it comes to passing the virus..

You don't have contactless payments in the US?

Not everywhere.  Hell, even when I use my Applepay I still have to punch in my debit card pin..

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Lots of places here (not everywhere here, but it's happening) are taking card-only right now...legal or not, I dunno. But the money is looked at at a more passable method than a card reader I guess.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 

My weekend work program partner just got a verbal warning from our manager and HR over a conference call on Tuesday. She refuses to take them unless provided an N95 mask or a PAPR. Mangement is refusing, saying the level 3 masks, covered with a level 1 mask are adequate. She Called in all last weekend....I know she's going to do the same this weekend....but once you call in 3 times within 3 months it's another write up. So that would be strike 2....I get her concerns....I"m sitting wondering how likely I pick this up and pass it on to my wife who has Asthma issues. 

As someone who has low white blood cell count from Chemo, got Pneumonia right before  the big outbreak in NJ and I have a mild case of COPD from having complications from my chemo, I know and my wife knows that we need to be careful. For about 5 weeks, I hadn't ventured out of my small and little South Jersey town until today and I had my N95 mask with me wearing it in public as I just needed to get out for the morning. I went to a few stores and I saw maybe 20% of the people wearing some type of mask. The majority of these people were from their late 30's on up and I had several people in their 20's basically look at me in my mask and chuckling to themselves or have a shocked look on their face that I was even wearing a mask. My wife went to the grocery store today south of us with her mask and said that she was only 1 of 2 people in the entire store with a mask on. People were giving her strange looks like nothing was going on in the outside world. I'm still amazed on how many people are still dismissing this.

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srossi wrote: So my wife's assistant principal got a mild case a few weeks ago and recovered, but now her husband is in the hospital and it's very bad. So many people got this while DeBlasio dicked around refusing to close the schools and it's a miracle my wife didn't because she was in such close contact with so many. Now, to add insult to injury, in NYC everyone is losing their Spring Break and being told to remote teach with no additional pay. They are ready to riot since they're already so stressed by all this, and many fell sick. Where is this great union that everyone pays substantial dues to? Absolutely nowhere, just like all unions when you need them. They told everyone to be grateful they still have jobs when many others don't. Many teachers are threatening to stop paying their dues after all this is over. I really hope they break the teacher's union, but I know it'll blow over and most won't do shit. Just remember that at the end of the day, the union exists to exist, nothing more and nothing less.  They take the path of least resistance to continue to operate and take in money.  They're not there to help you. It's just a nightmare though. My wife trying to teach from home is a million times more difficult than just about anyone else working from home. These kids are lost and barely do anything even in class.
Does the misses work for a High school or a College? My niece goes to Stockton in South Jersey and she has been doing online classes for around 3 weeks with 5 weeks left of school. My son is in 1st grade and he's on his 3rd week of home-schooling ( the 1st week of it being online).

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: So my wife's assistant principal got a mild case a few weeks ago and recovered, but now her husband is in the hospital and it's very bad. So many people got this while DeBlasio dicked around refusing to close the schools and it's a miracle my wife didn't because she was in such close contact with so many. Now, to add insult to injury, in NYC everyone is losing their Spring Break and being told to remote teach with no additional pay. They are ready to riot since they're already so stressed by all this, and many fell sick. Where is this great union that everyone pays substantial dues to? Absolutely nowhere, just like all unions when you need them. They told everyone to be grateful they still have jobs when many others don't. Many teachers are threatening to stop paying their dues after all this is over. I really hope they break the teacher's union, but I know it'll blow over and most won't do shit. Just remember that at the end of the day, the union exists to exist, nothing more and nothing less.  They take the path of least resistance to continue to operate and take in money.  They're not there to help you. It's just a nightmare though. My wife trying to teach from home is a million times more difficult than just about anyone else working from home. These kids are lost and barely do anything even in class.
Does the misses work for a High school or a College? My niece goes to Stockton in South Jersey and she has been doing online classes for around 3 weeks with 5 weeks left of school. My son is in 1st grade and he's on his 3rd week of home-schooling ( the 1st week of it being online).

Elementary school.  They're finishing their 2nd week of online learning.

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wittman2 wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 

My weekend work program partner just got a verbal warning from our manager and HR over a conference call on Tuesday. She refuses to take them unless provided an N95 mask or a PAPR. Mangement is refusing, saying the level 3 masks, covered with a level 1 mask are adequate. She Called in all last weekend....I know she's going to do the same this weekend....but once you call in 3 times within 3 months it's another write up. So that would be strike 2....I get her concerns....I"m sitting wondering how likely I pick this up and pass it on to my wife who has Asthma issues. 

Thats another question...any idea/word/examples of how this affects people with asthma? My wife has a mild asthma but its enough to make me concerned...

I had my yearly physical 2 weeks ago and my doctor said that the virus is serious for those that have any type of asthma.

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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: So my wife's assistant principal got a mild case a few weeks ago and recovered, but now her husband is in the hospital and it's very bad. So many people got this while DeBlasio dicked around refusing to close the schools and it's a miracle my wife didn't because she was in such close contact with so many. Now, to add insult to injury, in NYC everyone is losing their Spring Break and being told to remote teach with no additional pay. They are ready to riot since they're already so stressed by all this, and many fell sick. Where is this great union that everyone pays substantial dues to? Absolutely nowhere, just like all unions when you need them. They told everyone to be grateful they still have jobs when many others don't. Many teachers are threatening to stop paying their dues after all this is over. I really hope they break the teacher's union, but I know it'll blow over and most won't do shit. Just remember that at the end of the day, the union exists to exist, nothing more and nothing less.  They take the path of least resistance to continue to operate and take in money.  They're not there to help you. It's just a nightmare though. My wife trying to teach from home is a million times more difficult than just about anyone else working from home. These kids are lost and barely do anything even in class.
Does the misses work for a High school or a College? My niece goes to Stockton in South Jersey and she has been doing online classes for around 3 weeks with 5 weeks left of school. My son is in 1st grade and he's on his 3rd week of home-schooling ( the 1st week of it being online).

Elementary school.  They're finishing their 2nd week of online learning.

Well our kids didn't have Spring break ( would've been starting on Good Friday for a week) and none of our teachers are complaining from working for home. The teachers in our school have been holding mini get togethers with the kids in the morning for about 20 minutes as a means to get the kids and have the kids interact with their friends. What program is your wife's school using for online teaching?

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Seems like poor taste to be launching this while the pandemic is in full effect


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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: So my wife's assistant principal got a mild case a few weeks ago and recovered, but now her husband is in the hospital and it's very bad. So many people got this while DeBlasio dicked around refusing to close the schools and it's a miracle my wife didn't because she was in such close contact with so many. Now, to add insult to injury, in NYC everyone is losing their Spring Break and being told to remote teach with no additional pay. They are ready to riot since they're already so stressed by all this, and many fell sick. Where is this great union that everyone pays substantial dues to? Absolutely nowhere, just like all unions when you need them. They told everyone to be grateful they still have jobs when many others don't. Many teachers are threatening to stop paying their dues after all this is over. I really hope they break the teacher's union, but I know it'll blow over and most won't do shit. Just remember that at the end of the day, the union exists to exist, nothing more and nothing less.  They take the path of least resistance to continue to operate and take in money.  They're not there to help you. It's just a nightmare though. My wife trying to teach from home is a million times more difficult than just about anyone else working from home. These kids are lost and barely do anything even in class.
Does the misses work for a High school or a College? My niece goes to Stockton in South Jersey and she has been doing online classes for around 3 weeks with 5 weeks left of school. My son is in 1st grade and he's on his 3rd week of home-schooling ( the 1st week of it being online).

Elementary school.  They're finishing their 2nd week of online learning.

Well our kids didn't have Spring break ( would've been starting on Good Friday for a week) and none of our teachers are complaining from working for home. The teachers in our school have been holding mini get togethers with the kids in the morning for about 20 minutes as a means to get the kids and have the kids interact with their friends. What program is your wife's school using for online teaching?

There's like 3 different platforms they're using.  Some of the kids don't even have Internet access so they're also doing phone calls.  They have a virtual home room every morning so that they can all interact, and my wife posts jokes and stuff to try to keep it fun, but it's a mess.  These are autistic kids mostly from disadvantaged backgrounds.  There are no great days to be a teacher in that environment, and trying to teach them like this is almost impossible.  I overhear some of the conversations and I don't know how she does it.  She has the patience of a saint (with them, not with me).

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So today we hit the big 1 million for confirmed cases worldwide, with the true number probably being at least 50% higher.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: wittman2 wrote: Question for Raditch... working in health care, is there any rhyme or reason to people who die/are seriously impacted by this vs people who its not? By that I mean you hear that it can adversely impact old people, but there are stories of old people recovering no problem. Then you have people in good health who die. Is there any contribution factor or reason how it affects people?
That's the tough part. The majority of those who do die, tend to have other co-morbidities, especially underlying respiratory issues such as COPD, Emphysema, prior bouts with Pnemonia.  Smokers generally more at risk also. Also people who are immunocompromised...those undergoing chemo, who have low white cell counts, people with lupus etc..But as far as the healthy aspect...no clue...which is why the RN's at work are starting to get worried, because the more direct exposure to those we know are infected, and generally are doing poorly because they're hospitalized at this point, puts us in a quandry. I know some are already starting to try and get out of taking the patients. 


 
I've seen it bandied about that 99% of the Italian deaths were in people with co-morbidities.  Could be on the high side, but it's certainly significant.  According to the NYC Health website on 4/1 there had been 1139 deaths listed as Covid-19, but only 14 of those people were confirmed as having no underlying conditions, which they listed as diabetes, lung disease, cancer, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, and GI/Liver disease.

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srossi wrote: and my wife posts jokes and stuff to try to keep it fun, but it's a mess.  
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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: and my wife posts jokes and stuff to try to keep it fun, but it's a mess.  
Pictures of your penis?

She tried but got a bandwidth exceeded message.

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Cuomo announced he’s going to seize ventilators and other medical equipment from private hospitals, corporations, and individuals if they won’t volunteer it. Within another week or two we’ll certainly be under martial law and the executions in the streets won’t be far behind.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: and my wife posts jokes and stuff to try to keep it fun, but it's a mess.  
Pictures of your penis?

She tried but got a bandwidth exceeded message.
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srossi wrote: Cuomo announced he’s going to seize ventilators and other medical equipment from private hospitals, corporations, and individuals if they won’t volunteer it. Within another week or two we’ll certainly be under martial law and the executions in the streets won’t be far behind.

What about the report of equipment being stolen? any truth to that? 

people seemed to be pretty high on Cuomo a few weeks ago but is his stock still riding high?


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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Cuomo announced he’s going to seize ventilators and other medical equipment from private hospitals, corporations, and individuals if they won’t volunteer it. Within another week or two we’ll certainly be under martial law and the executions in the streets won’t be far behind.

What about the report of equipment being stolen? any truth to that? 

people seemed to be pretty high on Cuomo a few weeks ago but is his stock still riding high?


Cuomo is VERY unpopular in New York. Right along the lines of DeBlasio. The bail reform law was the straw that broke the camels back. Yet, they both still keep getting elected. As Mark Twain said: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it"

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Trump: Everyone should start wearing masks when they go out.

Reporter: Will you wear a mask?

Trump: No. They look silly.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: and my wife posts jokes and stuff to try to keep it fun, but it's a mess.  
Pictures of your penis?

She tried but got a bandwidth exceeded message.
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LOL. Well played by the both of yous.

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Now Trump is using these pressers to brag and lie about how many Facebook followers he has and brag and joke about hooking up with models. He is the worst. He just does not care. He is not a leader.

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Spatulapup wrote: Now Trump is using these pressers to brag and lie about how many Facebook followers he has and brag and joke about hooking up with models. He is the worst. He just does not care. He is not a leader.But he's too cool to wear a mask in public, so I'll probably vote for him again.

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Heenan Fan wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Now Trump is using these pressers to brag and lie about how many Facebook followers he has and brag and joke about hooking up with models. He is the worst. He just does not care. He is not a leader.But he's too cool to wear a mask in public, so I'll probably vote for him again.He did a tweet about his pressers being a ratings hit.  This motherfucker is literally insane. 

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Ultimark wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Now Trump is using these pressers to brag and lie about how many Facebook followers he has and brag and joke about hooking up with models. He is the worst. He just does not care. He is not a leader.But he's too cool to wear a mask in public, so I'll probably vote for him again.He did a tweet about his pressers being a ratings hit.  This motherfucker is literally insane. 
That was the worst of all the things he’s ever said IMO. To brag about press briefings being a ratings hit during a national emergency when millions of people have literally nothing else to do but try to figure out how to stay safe or when they can go back to work - if that’s not a legitimate mental illness of narcissism I don’t know what is. Imagine FDR saying, “Hey, Pearl Harbor got bombed and my speech about it beat The Lone Ranger!”  I’m not even mad at Trump anymore. He’s a very sick person whose mental faculties have diminished so much in the last decade that’s it’s actually sad. 

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I don’t have Twitter so can someone fill me in here? Did he just randomly send this tweet out or is there more context to it like him referencing recent data that suggests the public trust’s Trump more than the MSM?

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His edict about not sending 3m masks to Canada even though we supply almost everything that is involved in making them is a frightening example of how little he understands the supply chain.
Or he did it for "the ratings".
Either scenario is frightening for both regular Americans and their neighbors.
At this point I don't even care if joe Biden doesn't know whether it's Tuesday or Thursday or April or Smarch, the team that will be set up around him will be much more competent in guiding his decisions.
That's scary too, when he's the absolutely better alternative to the Orange maggot currently in charge.

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khawk wrote: His edict about not sending 3m masks to Canada even though we supply almost everything that is involved in making them is a frightening example of how little he understands the supply chain.
Or he did it for "the ratings".
Either scenario is frightening for both regular Americans and their neighbors.
At this point I don't even care if joe Biden doesn't know whether it's Tuesday or Thursday or April or Smarch, the team that will be set up around him will be much more competent in guiding his decisions.
That's scary too, when he's the absolutely better alternative to the Orange maggot currently in charge.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I'll still take the orange guy over Biden.

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its more about the team surrounding both of those boobs. I would hope Bidens is better at understanding how things work (hard not to have that I think). Biden himself is awful, but I think his team might "get things" better.

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khawk wrote: His edict about not sending 3m masks to Canada even though we supply almost everything that is involved in making them is a frightening example of how little he understands the supply chain.
Or he did it for "the ratings".
Either scenario is frightening for both regular Americans and their neighbors.
At this point I don't even care if joe Biden doesn't know whether it's Tuesday or Thursday or April or Smarch, the team that will be set up around him will be much more competent in guiding his decisions.
That's scary too, when he's the absolutely better alternative to the Orange maggot currently in charge.


What supplies go into the mask? I don’t have a response lined up I’m just curious and don’t feel like researching. 

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The raw pulp that goes into making the masks is processed exclusively at a mill in BC.

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The 1000 nurses that travel to Michigan to work down there has also been mentioned.
Our leaders are rightfully calling out trump on this, we will see where it goes.

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You need a Dr. X mask where the nose is covered lol

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beejmi wrote: Finally I have a use for this
You'll just no sell everything and be selfish

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beejmi wrote: Me and a friend

Even when wearing masks social distancing needs to be practiced. Does that look like 6 feet to you?  Cuomo would have you executed. 

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WongLee wrote: beejmi wrote: Finally I have a use for this
You'll just no sell everything and be selfish
Post of the week by Wong.
Not only that, but yeah. both the Midnight Rider's and Mill's mask dont cover their noses. Still funny posts by beej though.

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khawk wrote: The raw pulp that goes into making the masks is processed exclusively at a mill in BC.

Interesting, thanks 

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I'll be honest. Im glad we're not selling any masks to Canada. They're always bragging about their magical healthcare so lets see how good it really is. Karma isn't historically great for braggarts.

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Portalesman wrote: I'll be honest. Im glad we're not selling any masks to Canada. They're always bragging about their magical healthcare so lets see how good it really is. Karma isn't historically great for braggarts.China will cover our butts. Because, magical healthcare, probably.

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khawk wrote: Portalesman wrote: I'll be honest. Im glad we're not selling any masks to Canada. They're always bragging about their magical healthcare so lets see how good it really is. Karma isn't historically great for braggarts.China will cover our butts. Because, magical healthcare, probably.

I thought China already bought all of your countries PPE in January and shipped it to China 

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Franchise wrote: khawk wrote: Portalesman wrote: I'll be honest. Im glad we're not selling any masks to Canada. They're always bragging about their magical healthcare so lets see how good it really is. Karma isn't historically great for braggarts.China will cover our butts. Because, magical healthcare, probably.

I thought China already bought all of your countries PPE in January and shipped it to China
If that's true and it probably is (I have no idea), then maybe this is just China sending back what they didn't use. All I know is apparently China is sending Canada a shit-ton of masks and whatnot.

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That’s cool; hopefully everyone can work together on this and keep as many people safe as possible.

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Franchise wrote: That’s cool; hopefully everyone can work together on this and keep as many people safe as possible.
Everyone will try to work together but the US.   We are no doubt collectively the biggest bunch of self entitled assholes ever assembled.   The actions of our chief executive show that daily.  

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I don’t get that feeling at all; I imagine Trump is probably circling the wagons for a moment and once he can get the equipment needed to the hot spots in America he will start shipping out the excess.


No way long term is he going to Dog out Canada but you can’t give away what you don’t have.


It’s like the airplane safety check “apply your own mask before that of the passenger next to you”

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wwlp.com/news/massachusetts/3-million-masks-ordered-by-massachusetts-seized-at-port-of-ny-in-march/amp/

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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was just admitted to hospital. They say it's for tests, but I think that's just the story. He tested positive 10 days ago and he looked like shit when he was briefly seen in public on Thursday. At the start of March he didn't think this was at all serious and boasted about shaking hands with CV patients in a hospital visit.

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We’re being warned that the next 3 weeks will basically be the worst of it as we approach the peak, and to not expect to leave the house at all. This has caused a double-down on the panic shopping and hoarding, and this morning it was impossible to buy anything.

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srossi wrote: We’re being warned that the next 3 weeks will basically be the worst of it as we approach the peak, and to not expect to leave the house at all. This has caused a double-down on the panic shopping and hoarding, and this morning it was impossible to buy anything.I don't know. I got virtually everything I needed yesterday including the elusive TP. Shelves were well stocked and no one was panic buying.

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With the limits here on people allowed into stores right now (all the grocery places have six feet taped out outside the doors so you stand that far apart while you wait to get in), there is a lot of stuff that isn't as hard to find as it was a few weeks ago. But damn if when I was out shopping a couple of days ago there still were not any paper products available. I just don't get it.

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khawk wrote: With the limits here on people allowed into stores right now (all the grocery places have six feet taped out outside the doors so you stand that far apart while you wait to get in), there is a lot of stuff that isn't as hard to find as it was a few weeks ago. But damn if when I was out shopping a couple of days ago there still were not any paper products available. I just don't get it.
Same. We’re just about out of paper towels and tissues and can’t find any. 

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We have toilet paper, tissues and napkins. I just ordered some napkins on amazon Friday that should be here in about a week.


Funny thing is I was able to find charmin wet wipes every time I’ve been to the Krog. I don’t know if people don’t know about them or just don’t like them.

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Clothing stores are shut down and some walmarts and targets are closing off everything deemed not essential which includes clothing. Fast food is of course open. Yeah, we don't want people leisurely shopping looking at handbags or whatever, but if someone is deemed essential and needs clothing or shoes for work, that seems pretty essential to me. A McFlurry doesn't.

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khawk wrote: With the limits here on people allowed into stores right now (all the grocery places have six feet taped out outside the doors so you stand that far apart while you wait to get in), there is a lot of stuff that isn't as hard to find as it was a few weeks ago. But damn if when I was out shopping a couple of days ago there still were not any paper products available. I just don't get it.
I'm wondering if that shortage is lack of trucks to actually take them to where they need to be. One of our biggest vending accounts is Clearwater paper in Shelby NC and they are going 24/7 still pumping out nothing but paper towels/toilet paper/napkins. That's what they make and they have all their workforce going 24/7, their sales have actually gone up a LOT since this started for us. So I know that the product is getting made. That said, one of our other big accounts, NGK Ceramics, they make stuff for automobile catalytic converters. They (unlike our other biggest account, which makes transmission parts for GM and BMW cars) are going 24/7, THEIR sales have increased for some reason. They told us last Wed that starting Sunday (today) they were going to shut down for 2 weeks. We figured it was for the virus but they said no, they aren't getting the trucks in to actually ship their product out right now, I guess a lot of the shipping companies they use are being diverted for other items right now, medical reasons, so their shipping department is backed up and their warehouse is full. They actually are laying everyone but the shipping department off for 2 weeks so they can clear out the warehouse and have space for new products..could be the paper companies are having the same issues..

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I would imagine trucking companies are prioritizing the freight that truly is essential if they have a variety of freight in their portfolio. Not to say that it won’t get hauled but it’s likely they are going to shift drivers to haul the most needed at the moment. It’s the right thing to do but it’s also good PR. Get a picture of your truck rolling in with a load of antibiotics or N95 masks; you bet that picture is going on the corporate office wall.

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I literally traded some smoked turkey breast that I cooked today to my nextdoor neighbor for some TP. We both had a good laugh about it. I would have given some of the turkey to him anyway just like he would have given me the TP. The fact that I had to actually ask him for some is really sad. It’s nowhere to be found.

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gwlee7 wrote: I literally traded some smoked turkey breast that I cooked today to my nextdoor neighbor for some TP. We both had a good laugh about it. I would have given some of the turkey to him anyway just like he would have given me the TP. The fact that I had to actually ask him for some is really sad. It’s nowhere to be found.
We traded 2 king loafs of white bread and a gallon of whole milk to some friends of ours for 2 giant sized Lysol wipes containers yesterday.

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gwlee7 wrote: I literally traded some smoked turkey breast that I cooked today to my nextdoor neighbor for some TP. We both had a good laugh about it. I would have given some of the turkey to him anyway just like he would have given me the TP. The fact that I had to actually ask him for some is really sad. It’s nowhere to be found.

 How was it? The turkey not the tp 

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Delicious as always.   

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The Washington Post has a story about how this week is going to be a new 9/11 for NYC, combined with Pear Harbor, as we come close to the peak. At least the media has laid off on the hyperbole.

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Kriss wrote: UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was just admitted to hospital. They say it's for tests, but I think that's just the story. He tested positive 10 days ago and he looked like shit when he was briefly seen in public on Thursday. At the start of March he didn't think this was at all serious and boasted about shaking hands with CV patients in a hospital visit.

I guess he is being given oxygen treatment. He isn't on a ventilator...yet anyway. So who is second in charge over there if he becomes incapacitated?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12322956

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Dominic Raab, the First Secretary of State and Foreign Minister, would become the acting Prime Minister in the event Boris Johnson became temporarily unable to fulfill his duties. In the event Johnson died, the Conservative Party would then choose a new leader who would become Prime Minister. Raab would fulfill the position in the interim. I don't know what would happen constitutionally if Johnson didn't die but became permanently incapacitated by Covid-19 itself or from complications due to opportunistic illnesses or related afflictions like a stroke occurring due to the restricted oxygen flow from the lungs.

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tamalie wrote: Dominic Raab, the First Secretary of State and Foreign Minister, would become the acting Prime Minister in the event Boris Johnson became temporarily unable to fulfill his duties. In the event Johnson died, the Conservative Party would then choose a new leader who would become Prime Minister. Raab would fulfill the position in the interim. I don't know what would happen constitutionally if Johnson didn't die but became permanently incapacitated by Covid-19 itself or from complications due to opportunistic illnesses or related afflictions like a stroke occurring due to the restricted oxygen flow from the lungs.
The UK doesn't have a written constitution, everything is done by precedent. There is no line of succession as with the British monarchy or the US presidency, where the office can never be vacant. If Johnson died, Raab would lead the government because that is what has been decided, rather than the office that he currently holds. In less challenging times, the Conservative party would have to hold a leadership election amongst its MPs, and the winner would become the PM. I would be incredibly surprised if anyone would challenge Raab at this time, so he would become the new Conservative leader, but would only become PM when the Queen gave royal ascent. She would, of course, but everything has to be done properly. Raab would be the de facto PM if Johnson were incapacitated, but Johnson would remain PM. It's not really a comparable position to being US president (head of government vs head of state), so having an interim leader doesn't cause any constitutional headaches. If it became necessary to remove Johnson, and he wasunable to relinquish the position himself, a simple vote amongst Conservative MPs would be enough. They can choose however they like to pick their leader and can change leader at any time. It would only take a matter of hours.

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Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: Dominic Raab, the First Secretary of State and Foreign Minister, would become the acting Prime Minister in the event Boris Johnson became temporarily unable to fulfill his duties. In the event Johnson died, the Conservative Party would then choose a new leader who would become Prime Minister. Raab would fulfill the position in the interim. I don't know what would happen constitutionally if Johnson didn't die but became permanently incapacitated by Covid-19 itself or from complications due to opportunistic illnesses or related afflictions like a stroke occurring due to the restricted oxygen flow from the lungs.
The UK doesn't have a written constitution, everything is done by precedent. There is no line of succession as with the British monarchy or the US presidency, where the office can never be vacant. If Johnson died, Raab would lead the government because that is what has been decided, rather than the office that he currently holds. In less challenging times, the Conservative party would have to hold a leadership election amongst its MPs, and the winner would become the PM. I would be incredibly surprised if anyone would challenge Raab at this time, so he would become the new Conservative leader, but would only become PM when the Queen gave royal ascent. She would, of course, but everything has to be done properly. Raab would be the de facto PM if Johnson were incapacitated, but Johnson would remain PM. It's not really a comparable position to being US president (head of government vs head of state), so having an interim leader doesn't cause any constitutional headaches. If it became necessary to remove Johnson, and he wasunable to relinquish the position himself, a simple vote amongst Conservative MPs would be enough. They can choose however they like to pick their leader and can change leader at any time. It would only take a matter of hours.


If any of that were to happen could The Labour Party call for an election?

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carpetbeggar wrote:
If any of that were to happen could The Labour Party call for an election?


No. The Prime Minister is the leader of the largest party (there are historical examples when this was not true, but it is the only way it can realistically happen today). 2/3 of MPs need to be in agreement for an early election to be called, and the Conservatives have a good majority.

Update on the News: He's still in hospital. Raab did today's presser and he was asked many times about Johnson's health, and he didn't give any meaningful answer. Tellingly, he did say the last time he spoke to him was on Saturday.

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BoJo now in intensive care.

Not sure whether Raab has the party support to be Prime Minister on a permanent basis.

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If not Raab, who would be the likely person, would Labour demand a snap election given the extraordinary circumstances, and would the Tories go along with that?

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kargol wrote: BoJo now in intensive care.

Not sure whether Raab has the party support to be Prime Minister on a permanent basis.


Not looking good for him.

Would they be crazy enough to have a leadership contest now? Who else would even want the job?

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tamalie wrote: If not Raab, who would be the likely person, would Labour demand a snap election given the extraordinary circumstances, and would the Tories go along with that?
100% there will not be another election, and there really is no need for one. Labour can demand whatever they want, they have zero power or authority. To get a snap election, they would need about half of the Conservative MPs to side with them for the 2/3 majority. No chance. Unless someone really thinks that this is their moment, Raab will take over as PM. 

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Yeah, zero chance of an election.

I would suggest Michael Gove, although not popular with a large section of the public, has more support in the Conservatives. Gove also has the advantage that he is not running a department. However he may be considered too (in the Brutus sense) ambitious. Rishi Sunak is immensely popular at the moment but he's in a honeymoon period as Chancellor and throwing money around, so is bound to be.

Technically Gove was my ultimate boss for a while when Minister of Justice. I didn't report up to him, but I did report to some who did - and they held him in high regard. Unlike his predecessors and successors.

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kargol wrote:  I didn't report up to him, but I did report to some who did - and they held him in high regard. Unlike his predecessors and successors.You're not Sarah the Dutchess of York are you?

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WongLee wrote: kargol wrote:  I didn't report up to him, but I did report to some who did - and they held him in high regard. Unlike his predecessors and successors.You're not Sarah the Dutchess of York are you?
No, I'd be talking about Prince Andrew then.  Just a humble prosecuting functionary.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Had 3 more Covid Patients this weekend. Two died. Found out my SIL's partner's father is in ICU with this in NJ. She's freaking out because she can't visit him unless it's inevitable that he'll end up dead...which is pretty much the policy for most hospitals now.
Just found out he died tonight...no family able to make it before he passed. 

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Almost had a run in at work.  Went to Krispy Kreme to pick up some free Donuts to take to work. So whenever they bring in a new Covid patient they're supposed to clear the elevators and hallways. Well I press the button to get on the elevator, the door opens...well the fucking EMT's screwed up and pushed 4th floor instead of 3rd...So they're in Hazmat's suits and here I am with just a surgical mask on for a guy heading to ICU. I just looked at them and said that I'll take the next elevator.....which I"m sure they picked up on as let us fucking know you're heading to the floor.

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Hey PR, thanks for all that you are doing. Hope you make it out of this as good as when you went in.

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I just gotta say something. This thread is so well done and peaceful and everyone getting along..then I look a the same thread on WC and it’s just douchers left and right trying to one-up each other about how well they can wish harm on about everyone they don’t agree with..ugh...

Anyway, props everyone..

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I planted veggies, hemp and pot dope. Got a blow job, currently hearing a phone call of my wife talking to my daughter, shes 30..... shes having a really BAD DAY because she plays internet with a Pennywise clown role playing write stories fagit thing and like none of the other people in the group are taking it seriously and its just becoming a waste of time and her friend in Canada and her friend in Australia told her to "quit being a bitch and that they have MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO". It REALLY hurt her feelings and my wife is enabling her. "Im sorry baby, people can be so hurtful sometimes."

Please God, strike me with the Coronas now. Silly motherfuckers.

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Must see: M*A*S*H teaches us how to fight COVID-19!

https://youtu.be/L5CNHDeF2xA

Someone can embed it if they want. The scene with Henry and Radar is hilarious!

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The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluations has dropped its forecast for total number of deaths again. On April 1, they said 93,500. On the 5th they revised it down to 81,800. Today, they think it'll be 60,400. And no, this isn't because we've locked ourselves in our homes. That was always baked into their assumptions. Remember this shit the next time some sciency-type guy tells you that we're going to fry the planet in 12 years. Seriously, do we have a media that's interested in asking questions anymore? One of the first they should be asking to Dr. Fraudci is, "since you got the AIDS epidemic so spectacularly wrong, why the