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Been working on Wrestlemania 26 (2010) over the past few nights.  This is one of those shows I never got around to seeing.  Have to say, I'm enjoying the shit out of it.  
Some briefs thoughts-

This is a 4-hour show with nine matches.  For the big matches, the video recap and then entrances each take about 15 minutes, so you understand why it gets drawn out.  But this wasn't bad.  Sometimes you need a break to settle down.

Going back and watching something after a decade, I have to say the video recaps help a lot.  I know they're a pain in the ass in real time when you're invested in the product, but for someone who missed the leadup and the show, this helps out.

The one match I was really curious about was the Bret vs. Vince match.  This one really kinda died with this show and you don't hear about it or see it any more, almost like it's been removed from canon.  I thought this was really tough to watch.  Vince got nothing in.  It was designed to be a total ass kicking, but it was at somepoint painful to watch.


Punk vs. Mysterio was good.  Damn, Serena was cuter than I remember.

Edge vs. Jericho was really good.  


Cena vs. Bautista was really good, probably better than it should have been.


UT/Shawn, no comment needed right?

One last thing - after watching so much Crockett lately on tape, and even old WWF, one thing that I don't think WWE gets enough credit for in this era...clean finishes.  Shit is settled in the ring.  Sometimes the false finishes are overplayed, but I appreciate that it's settled without Dusty finish screwjob shit.  The big matches play out.  I have a new appreciation for that, especially after re-watching Mania 24 and Mania 25 last month.
Anyway, good shit.  I have Mania 27-29 on disc, so I might watch those one per week.
Been watching Prime Times from Spring of 1989.  Might review those later.

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The 1989 Crockett Cup right here on the S&W Games and Contests page. Duh.

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I binged a bunch of ROH and caught up to real time for the first time since about 2003. I usually watch ROH on a 4-6 month delay but now there won’t be another ROH show until June.

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WWE Network has a bunch of Free stuff for non subscribers for a limited time. I watched the FCW Documentary yesterday. It was good. Seth Rollins is kinda a dick.

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I watched the new program with Dennis Rodman talking about WCW.  Also, Prime Time Wrestling (1987), Saturday Night's Main Event (March 1987), Clash at the Champions (1995), Halloween Havoc (1995), etc.

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brodiescomics wrote: Seth Rollins is kinda a dick.Obviously.

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Heenan Fan wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Seth Rollins is kinda a dick.Obviously.
No one has ever said anything to the contrary. And it’s so obvious and natural for him that he can only be successful as a heel, but WWE hasn’t figured that out. 

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: brodiescomics wrote: Seth Rollins is kinda a dick.Obviously.
No one has ever said anything to the contrary. And it’s so obvious and natural for him that he can only be successful as a heel, but WWE hasn’t figured that out. 
And to prove it so, CM still sucks his dick (putts him over). Ask Finn Balor or Sting what they REALLY think of this prick. 

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Everything from 1982.

Jimmy Valliant wins the Caddy in Toronto.

DiBiase turns on JYD.

Butch Reed pins Flair after the 30 minute time limit runs out and Flair asks for 5 extra minutes.

Hogan & Andre team to beat the entire Heenan Family.

Stevens Piledrives Snuka on the concrete.

Funks beat up the Briscos.

Rookie manager Jim Cornette costs Dutch Mantel the belt vs. Lawler & is fired.

Brett Sawyer vs. Ali Hasaan (or what ever his fucking name is) Billy Jack is introduced.

JJ Dillion is hiding the fact that the Iron Sheik is from Iran, but it's been exposed.

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Started at WM and have been watching all the PPVs and Saturday Night's Main Event (and The Main Event) shows from WWE. I've just finished SummerSlam 88. I think I'd seen all the PPVs before, but never the Main Event shows. Interesting to compare to today. The in-ring wrestling ranges from horrible to reasonable, with only a few standouts, but everyone seems to have a place and a character. I think the managers helped with that. People just slotted right in while the managers carried a lot of the feuds. It's funny when you think people complain that guys like Cedric Alexander isn't getting the push he deserves, when he is so bland, a good wrestler in a sea of good wrestlers. I don't think fans in 1987 were campaigning for Sam Houston to get a bigger push, yet they are pretty much equivalents.

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Im mostly just listening to Jim Cornette podcasts and shit.

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brodiescomics wrote: WWE Network has a bunch of Free stuff for non subscribers for a limited time. I watched the FCW Documentary yesterday. It was good. Seth Rollins is kinda a dick.
Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully this is available in Canada too. 

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The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Jimmy Valliant wins the Caddy in Toronto.




Is this from youtube or your personal collection? I'm at work and cant check youtube

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the squared circle wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Jimmy Valliant wins the Caddy in Toronto.




Is this from youtube or your personal collection? I'm at work and cant check youtube

The YouTubes

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Thanks sinner :)

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Here ya go SC


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHEBlrCrV0&t=298s

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Thanks so much Sin! Will watch tonight. :cool:

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Watching this week's NXT right now. Fucking awful. It;s just embarrassing that WWE refuse to acknowledge what is happening. Running the show as if it's completely normal to have no fans in the arena. Austin Theory introduces himself the the new audience with a 5 hour chin-lock, great, the next Randy Orton.

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Kriss wrote: Watching this week's NXT right now. Fucking awful. It;s just embarrassing that WWE refuse to acknowledge what is happening. Running the show as if it's completely normal to have no fans in the arena. Austin Theory introduces himself the the new audience with a 5 hour chin-lock, great, the next Randy Orton.It was probably the worst NXT show ever. I'm surprised the ratings were actually up this week.

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The WWNLive official YouTube channel has been adding a lot of previously unseen matches involving NXT wrestlers at Evolve shows recently. Some good stuff there if that's your kind of wrestling.

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EVOLVE announced this afternoon that tonight at 8 PM EST they will stream the complete EVOLVE 125 event for free on their YouTube Channel.

EVOLVE 125, which took place in April 2019 in Queens, NY, featured:

*EVOLVE Champion Austin Theory vs. Kyle O'Reilly

*EVOLVE Tag Team Champions Eddie Kingston & Joe Gacy vs. Konosuke Takeshita & MAO

*Montez Ford of The Street Profits vs. Shane Strickland (now Isiah Scott on 205 Live & NXT)

*WWN Champions JD Drake defends vs. Angelo Dawkins of the Street Profits.

*Angelo Dawkins of The Street Profits vs. Colby Corino

*Anthony Henry vs. Darby Allin

*AR Fox & Leon Ruff vs. John Silver & Alex Reynolds

*DDT vs. EVOLVE: Kazusada Higuchi vs. Curt Stallion

*Adrian Jaoude (now Arturo Ruas in NXT) vs. Harlem Bravado

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Catching up on Royal Rumble matches I haven't kept up with (last four years).

Also watched the FCW documentary. Utilizing WWE Network's free offerings quite a bit.

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The 2010 WWE HOF ceremony.
Mad Dog Vachon (Patterson)Wendi Richter (Piper)Stu Hart (Bret)Inoki (Stan Hansen - kinda interesting)Bob Uecker (Ebersol)Gorgeous George (Dick Beyer)Ted DiBiase (his kids)


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Great Sasuke documentary on YouTube for free. About 8 years old. I never would've watched this under normal circumstances, but it's interesting and sad in the usual Randy the Ram way, only this deals with complete lack of interest in both his wrestling and political careers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frxEzQ5VtR8&feature=emb_logo

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I watched Wrestlemania 1 and 3 earlier this week.  Working through Wrestlemania 2 right now.  The crowd responses are great on these cards.

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I've been watching Prime Time Wrestling from late 86 through 87 (Nov so far)

There were a million turns in that time period. Andre, HTM, The Islanders, Orndorff twice, Beefacke, Savage, Jake Roberts, Muraco, Patera came back as a face.

They brought back Mr.T for like 2 weeks, and then he vanished with no explanation.

This was the peak of the tag team division. They were so deep they could've had another set of belts, like US tag straps.

They experimented with a lot of wrestlers doing commentary. Lanny Poffo/Don Muraco, Roberts/Muraco. Bruce Pritchard/Mike McGuirk/Pete Doherty

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nyhack56 wrote: Bruce Pritchard/Mike McGuirk/Pete Doherty
I vividly remember that one just because of how horrific it was. Maybe the worst commentary team ever. All 3 made Steve McMichael and Mike Adamle look like Gordon Solie. 

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Doherty was awful, and using him outside of the Boston and mass. Markets made no sense to me since his smidge of popularity was his Duke of Dorchester stuff in Boston itself.

Did Mr T do house show stuff around that time? Could have been a limited house show appearance schedule that got him on tv for a few weeks.

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I have been listening to a lot of podcasts and watching shoot interviews. Arn Andersons is good. Tony Schiavone's is pretty immature. Where did Conrad Thompson come from?? He hosts a couple. I remember him hosting Flair's. The worst are Hannibals. He asks the same old questions and does  not do a lot of research.

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Spatulapup wrote: I have been listening to a lot of podcasts and watching shoot interviews. Arn Andersons is good. Tony Schiavone's is pretty immature. Where did Conrad Thompson come from?? He hosts a couple. I remember him hosting Flair's. The worst are Hannibals. He asks the same old questions and does  not do a lot of research.Worse than RF's?

I mean for someone who has done so many over the years, he never got any better or more in depth at it...even his tone asking the questions always screamed "I'm reading this off a sheet of paper but I don't know what it means".

(To that end, on the other side of the scale, as much as I liked Kayfabe Commentaries stuff, Sean Oliver by the end seemed to be trying too hard to be "one of the boys" in how he asked questions, if that makes sense. Still liked how they were produced and the uniqueness of the shoot ideas they did, but he was a lot different as an interviewer by the end than he was at the beginning IMO. Sort of the opposite of RF I suppose...)

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khawk wrote: Did Mr T do house show stuff around that time? Could have been a limited house show appearance schedule that got him on tv for a few weeks.

Yep, in Chicago for the early August '87 show, he was special enforcer ref for Hogan vs. Savage (this was right before Savage turned face).  
My dad took me to five shows that year that all drew ok numbers, maybe 8,000 +/-.  March was Hogan v. Herc right before Mania III, Hogan vs. HTM in June, Steamboat v. Savage cage return in May.
The Savage Hogan match was sold out.  It was a Saturday night show.  People had been drinking in the parking lot all day.  Super hot day.  Felt like a rock concert.  Just a weird vibe where it didn't feel like a sporting event anymore and felt like Woodstock or something. 

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I’m watching Wrestlemania 27 right now on blu ray.
About halfway through it. This Michael Cole heel bullshit might be the biggest change the channel awful angle ever. The Lawler/Cole match is on now. Cole just fucking sucks the life out of this show. A couple of good matches so far with Edge vs Del Rio and Punk vs Orton, and Rock playing a subtle heel is interesting, but fuck Michael Cole and his tats and Varsity Club getup.

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350 Days- a documentary on the Tubi channel about life on the road of professional wrestlers. Featured Bret Hart, Lanny Poffo, Ted Dibiase amongst many others. I thought it was pretty good.

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Trudging through the 2011 WWE HOF show. Some nice speeches at the beginning from Bob Armstrong and Hacksaw Duggan. Sitting through the uncomfortable as fuck Sunny induction now . She keeps licking her lips after every sentence. Like she can’t keep them moist. Some kind of characteristic of drug use?

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Blazer wrote: Trudging through the 2011 WWE HOF show. Some nice speeches at the beginning from Bob Armstrong and Hacksaw Duggan. Sitting through the uncomfortable as fuck Sunny induction now . She keeps licking her lips after every sentence. Like she can’t keep them moist. Some kind of characteristic of drug use?
Those HOF shows have some of the most replay value for me, I always enjoy them.  Judging by the pictures I've seen, I'm under the assumption Sunny lost a ton of weight prior to this.  Who knows what kind of "supplements" she was using prior to or around this time.  Nothing would surprise me lol.

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She looked good. She got herself into shape, but you could tell through her words and mannerisms that she was an emotional wreck. She was sort of begging for another run with the company at the end of the speech and thanked her boyfriend who was in the front row.

Abdullah had a super short speech after Sunny. First time I believe he ever spoke on camera.

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Blazer wrote: She looked good. She got herself into shape, but you could tell through her words and mannerisms that she was an emotional wreck. She was sort of begging for another run with the company at the end of the speech and thanked her boyfriend who was in the front row.

Abdullah had a super short speech after Sunny. First time I believe he ever spoke on camera.
In North America, maybe. He did speak on camera in Japan during his runs there.

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khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: She looked good. She got herself into shape, but you could tell through her words and mannerisms that she was an emotional wreck. She was sort of begging for another run with the company at the end of the speech and thanked her boyfriend who was in the front row.

Abdullah had a super short speech after Sunny. First time I believe he ever spoke on camera.
In North America, maybe. He did speak on camera in Japan during his runs there.

He even had a babyface run in Puerto Rico where he sang and danced briefly.  I'd love o see footage of this, but I only heard about it.

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I can’t get this out of my head watching these shows, Linda is in the front row each time and seems polite enough, but you know she’s just like “get me the fuck out of here”. It’s the same way I feel watching Mania 4 or Mania 5 now and seeing Trump and Ivonka in the front row. I’m sure sitting through that 4-hour Wrestlemania 4 show didn’t help their already shitty marriage. In fact I think Ivonka got up and bolted about halfway through WM5.

Probably wouldn’t have the time to sit through these any other time, but I’m catching up on dvds and Blu-rays that I thought I wouldn’t be able to watch until retirement.

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I've been watching the Legends Of Mid-South Wrestling DVD. First time I've watched it since 2013 when I bought it. No documentary, which sucks but they still have short interviews sprinkled in. Hacksaw Duggan when he could work, Shawn Michaels vs. Ted DiBiase, Andre, Warrior and Sting, green as grass managed by Eddie Gilbert, RnRs vs. Midnights, Ric Flair vs. Ted DiBiase in their famous match, the Freebirds. A lot of great stuff. Bill Watts is probably my favorite wrestling promoter of all time.

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I watched the Steamboat & Youngblood vs. Slaughter & Kernodle feud. Great stuff.

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Mid South 1982 and soon 1983.

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I didn't have cable back then, so watching Bill Watts era WCW that's available on the network

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Anything promoted by Bill Watts is F'N great!!

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Heenan Fan wrote: Anything promoted by Bill Watts is F'N great!!
Not this. He brought in Gordy and Williams and WCW already had the Steiners, Windham and Rhodes, etc. so there were some killer tag matches, but everything else was a mess. Banning off the top rope moves was the stupidest thing ever. 

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Watts was trying to re-educate the fanbase, but things had changed so much in the five years that he was gone that it was almost a lost cause. That said, he was making headway and his run had a lot of highlights. I didn't agree with the off-the-top-rope or removing the mats. There was behind the scenes stuff that probably did more harm than good for morale (making injured guys travel on the road and show up at the house shows to announce they couldn't work rather than just no-show).

The Midnight Express-Heavenly Bodies angle was great.
Cactus vs. Sting feud
The Jake Roberts return in Baltimore
Simmons beating Vader in Baltimore
The off the charts tag-team booking
Turning Pillman heel
Rude vs Steamboat

1992 WCW was really underappreciated.

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I understand the top-rope deal in a way. The idea was to make top rope moves special because you wouldn't see them in every match.

But.... High-flyers are generally faces, but they had to resort to heel tactics by using their top-rope moves behind the referee's back.

In earlier years, top-rope moves were less spectacular, and were more the moves of heels, like knee-drops and fat guys doing splashes. Maybe this influenced Watts' thinking, but modern wrestling had passed him by.

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Arn Anderson says Bill Watts pissed off too much of the talent to survive in WCW. He started cutting down the wrestlers salaries. He cut Arn and Bobby Eatons salaries in half. He got rid of catering, wanted the wrestlers to eat their food out of lunchboxes. He was out of touch with how things had changed.

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Kind of a baseball geek, and every year my bro-in-law and sis-in-law get me the World Series dvd or blu-ray film. Been collecting these for years and never thought I'd get around to watching them. Watched 2010 (Giants), 2017 (Astros), and 2012 (Giants again) this week. May start the 2014 disc today to complete the Giants trifecta.

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I haven't had the Network in several months, obviously now was a good time to get it again.
I like the recent feature where you can skip ahead to a certain match or interview.
I'm  skimming through Raw 1999 so it's helpful to skip the nonsense, because there's lots of good matches.

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Is there a 30 day trial for the network so you can cancel in case you don't like it? I have been tempted to check it out because of boredom

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srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Anything promoted by Bill Watts is F'N great!!
Not this. He brought in Gordy and Williams and WCW already had the Steiners, Windham and Rhodes, etc. so there were some killer tag matches, but everything else was a mess. Banning off the top rope moves was the stupidest thing ever. 
The banning of top rope moves in WCW was a worked storyline. Watts thought it would mean more if he banned the top rope moves and eventually made it legal again.

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Heenan Fan wrote: srossi wrote: Heenan Fan wrote: Anything promoted by Bill Watts is F'N great!!
Not this. He brought in Gordy and Williams and WCW already had the Steiners, Windham and Rhodes, etc. so there were some killer tag matches, but everything else was a mess. Banning off the top rope moves was the stupidest thing ever. 
The banning of top rope moves in WCW was a worked storyline. Watts thought it would mean more if he banned the top rope moves and eventually made it legal again.

Yeah. He eventually reinstated moves off the top. Except you couldn't drive your knee into your opponents head or throat while he was laying prone on the mat. That was still a DQ.

A few of those rules carried over for a while after Watts was gone. For example, it was still a DQ If you ran your opponents head into the ringpost or guard rail. They even went back to the Watts well in 1994 with the forgotten "kneedrop off the top rope is illegal" when they stripped Rick Rude of the International title at Slamboree.

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I also love Watts for giving the first black man, not to mention a sitting wrestler, the book in 1976. Ernie "The Big Cat" Ladd. Absolutely unheard of back then. Not to mention putting the strap on Ron Simmons. Watts was A great promoter!

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I have gone to WWE Network and started watching all of the Mid-South episodes in order. They begin in late 1981 and I am into mid to late March of 1982. Jim Ross debuted as an announcer on the episode before the most recent one I watched and his talent was very obvious from the start.

Here are a few observations:

- When I started watching, the promotion seemed on the quiet side. There weren't a lot of angles and the TV show surprised me with its lack of interviews. There house show promos that got inserted between the matches that aren't present, but I expected more in the body of the show. However, the mic work has picked up considerably from December of 1981 to almost April of 1982. It makes a difference.

- There is at least one angle per show, sometimes two. Angles from previous shows get rerun, at least in truncated form, so fans never know why one wrestler wants to get the other. There is some heel vs. heel friction at times. JYD teams with Mike George and mention is made of how George was once a bad guy and when he and JYD teamed up, people wondered if JYD could really trust him, but George has proven to be a standup guy.

- For as big of a deal as Junkyard Dog was to this promotion and would be for the next two years plus beyond this time period, he was surprisingly not pushed nearly as much as you'd think. The house show promos are missing, so that takes out the primary way most wrestlers got mic time, but I don't think he's been interviewed once. One thing is for sure though, JYD was in amazing shape back then. He hadn't gotten fat yet and even had abs. He looked like a real star.

- Ted DiBiase is doing his quiet and unassuming babyface gimmick. His heel turn is about two and a half months out, but so far nothing has been teased other than him losing the North American Title to Bob Roop. Getting it back was his primary motivation for turning on JYD once the Dog won the title. I am interested in seeing the turn and how he changes. Ted made a good, white hat babyface but was on the bland side, even by 1982 standards.

- Bob Roop won the North American Title by sabotaging the car of fellow heel Paul Orndorff so Mr. Wonderful would be late to the TV taping and miss his match with DiBiase. Roop was a riot as a smarmy heel, explaining that he didn't know where Paul was but he was ready as the #2 contender to step in. Roop stole the match and beat Ted for the belt. Orndorff then showed up in street clothes, saying his car wouldn't start. He found out about Roop and then effectively turned babyface on him.

- Afa and Sika are the tag team champs. They were managed by Ernie Ladd at first but turned on him to go with Skandor Akbar. Akbar had been managing The Iron Sheik who abruptly left the area. Akbar also has One Man Gang with long hair and no gang gimmick. Ladd became a babyface and the fans were pretty fired up that the long time heel was now a good guy. Ladd was still big but was looking old and his knees were bad. Him needing knee surgery, which the promotion showed a clip of like he was a legit athlete on the evening sports report, was a reason for him being written out as manager of the Samoans.

- Bob Orton Jr. was all over TV when I started watching, but has been gone for the past few episodes and in fact is out of the promotion. Legend has it that he got KO'd in a bar fight and fired by Watts, but he'd been in the promotion for about 8 months by the time he left and had already started going to the WWF for TV tapings ahead of debuting at the house shows as was customary for new talent there. This legend looks like an urban legend.

- Paul Ellering came in as 1981 closed doing a low rent Superstar Billy Graham gimmick but minus the talent and charisma Graham had in the tie dyed outfits with the blonde hair. Ellering was a babyface but I wanted to see some heel kick his ass. He was that obnoxious. Watts must have figured out that this was not someone to push and pulled the plug. After two or three weeks of being all over TV, he disappeared without further mention.

- Killer Karl Kox was one of the biggest babyfaces ever in this region during the 1970s. He came back in early 1982 and despite being bald, looking old, and being 50 which was a much older age physically and psychologically back then, the fans absolutely loved him. He was so over it was amazing and despite the connotations of his initials, the black fans were cheering him like he was JYD. DiBiase was the #2 babyface or even the #1B babyface with JYD as #1 or #1A, but Kox was far more over. He was doing a crazy ex-marine gimmick and my understanding is he left not long after this due to some sort of disagreement with Watts, but the Cowboy loved the gimmick so much he gave it to Dick Murdoch. Murdoch was in and out in between New Japan tours.

- Dusty Rhodes and Andre The Giant have both made guest appearances. They made sure to get Dusty on the mic. The Superdome shows are also treated with great reverence. Having just had Louisiana and Mississippi, this was around when McGuirk folded up and they took Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Ozark Missouri as well. It is made clearly always that Grizzly Smith is the official matchmaker. No one can just set up a match on his own and no champ can decide about who does and doesn't get title shots, not to mention when. It always comes back to Smith who while not seen, is said to make rulings from offscreen.

- Boyd Pierce is nominally the host and play by play man, but Bill Watts announces with him on most shows and is clearly in charge when he does. He gets over the wrestlers, matches, and angles brilliantly. Watts also uses the mic as a bully pulpit of sorts, pushing his political/social views, and for a few weeks noted the resemblance of a heel jobber to a Jackson, MS businessman who apparently screwed him on a deal. The guy was Kat Saboulis and Watts called him a "welsher" on TV several times, even saying that the guy had a lovely wife and great kids who had to be embarrassed by his conduct.

It has gotten a lot better since I began watching and is getting better still.

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tamalie wrote: I have gone to WWE Network and started watching all of the Mid-South episodes in order. They begin in late 1981 and I am into mid to late March of 1982. Jim Ross debuted as an announcer on the episode before the most recent one I watched and his talent was very obvious from the start.

Here are a few observations:

- When I started watching, the promotion seemed on the quiet side. There weren't a lot of angles and the TV show surprised me with its lack of interviews. There house show promos that got inserted between the matches that aren't present, but I expected more in the body of the show. However, the mic work has picked up considerably from December of 1981 to almost April of 1982. It makes a difference.

- There is at least one angle per show, sometimes two. Angles from previous shows get rerun, at least in truncated form, so fans never know why one wrestler wants to get the other. There is some heel vs. heel friction at times. JYD teams with Mike George and mention is made of how George was once a bad guy and when he and JYD teamed up, people wondered if JYD could really trust him, but George has proven to be a standup guy.

- For as big of a deal as Junkyard Dog was to this promotion and would be for the next two years plus beyond this time period, he was surprisingly not pushed nearly as much as you'd think. The house show promos are missing, so that takes out the primary way most wrestlers got mic time, but I don't think he's been interviewed once. One thing is for sure though, JYD was in amazing shape back then. He hadn't gotten fat yet and even had abs. He looked like a real star.

- Ted DiBiase is doing his quiet and unassuming babyface gimmick. His heel turn is about two and a half months out, but so far nothing has been teased other than him losing the North American Title to Bob Roop. Getting it back was his primary motivation for turning on JYD once the Dog won the title. I am interested in seeing the turn and how he changes. Ted made a good, white hat babyface but was on the bland side, even by 1982 standards.

- Bob Roop won the North American Title by sabotaging the car of fellow heel Paul Orndorff so Mr. Wonderful would be late to the TV taping and miss his match with DiBiase. Roop was a riot as a smarmy heel, explaining that he didn't know where Paul was but he was ready as the #2 contender to step in. Roop stole the match and beat Ted for the belt. Orndorff then showed up in street clothes, saying his car wouldn't start. He found out about Roop and then effectively turned babyface on him.

- Afa and Sika are the tag team champs. They were managed by Ernie Ladd at first but turned on him to go with Skandor Akbar. Akbar had been managing The Iron Sheik who abruptly left the area. Akbar also has One Man Gang with long hair and no gang gimmick. Ladd became a babyface and the fans were pretty fired up that the long time heel was now a good guy. Ladd was still big but was looking old and his knees were bad. Him needing knee surgery, which the promotion showed a clip of like he was a legit athlete on the evening sports report, was a reason for him being written out as manager of the Samoans.

- Bob Orton Jr. was all over TV when I started watching, but has been gone for the past few episodes and in fact is out of the promotion. Legend has it that he got KO'd in a bar fight and fired by Watts, but he'd been in the promotion for about 8 months by the time he left and had already started going to the WWF for TV tapings ahead of debuting at the house shows as was customary for new talent there. This legend looks like an urban legend.

- Paul Ellering came in as 1981 closed doing a low rent Superstar Billy Graham gimmick but minus the talent and charisma Graham had in the tie dyed outfits with the blonde hair. Ellering was a babyface but I wanted to see some heel kick his ass. He was that obnoxious. Watts must have figured out that this was not someone to push and pulled the plug. After two or three weeks of being all over TV, he disappeared without further mention.

- Killer Karl Kox was one of the biggest babyfaces ever in this region during the 1970s. He came back in early 1982 and despite being bald, looking old, and being 50 which was a much older age physically and psychologically back then, the fans absolutely loved him. He was so over it was amazing and despite the connotations of his initials, the black fans were cheering him like he was JYD. DiBiase was the #2 babyface or even the #1B babyface with JYD as #1 or #1A, but Kox was far more over. He was doing a crazy ex-marine gimmick and my understanding is he left not long after this due to some sort of disagreement with Watts, but the Cowboy loved the gimmick so much he gave it to Dick Murdoch. Murdoch was in and out in between New Japan tours.

- Dusty Rhodes and Andre The Giant have both made guest appearances. They made sure to get Dusty on the mic. The Superdome shows are also treated with great reverence. Having just had Louisiana and Mississippi, this was around when McGuirk folded up and they took Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Ozark Missouri as well. It is made clearly always that Grizzly Smith is the official matchmaker. No one can just set up a match on his own and no champ can decide about who does and doesn't get title shots, not to mention when. It always comes back to Smith who while not seen, is said to make rulings from offscreen.

- Boyd Pierce is nominally the host and play by play man, but Bill Watts announces with him on most shows and is clearly in charge when he does. He gets over the wrestlers, matches, and angles brilliantly. Watts also uses the mic as a bully pulpit of sorts, pushing his political/social views, and for a few weeks noted the resemblance of a heel jobber to a Jackson, MS businessman who apparently screwed him on a deal. The guy was Kat Saboulis and Watts called him a "welsher" on TV several times, even saying that the guy had a lovely wife and great kids who had to be embarrassed by his conduct.

It has gotten a lot better since I began watching and is getting better still.
As usual,  great post Tamalie. I really enjoyed reading it. My personal favorite era of Mid-South is early 1984 to late 1986.

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tamalie wrote: I have gone to WWE Network and started watching all of the Mid-South episodes in order. They begin in late 1981 and I am into mid to late March of 1982. Jim Ross debuted as an announcer on the episode before the most recent one I watched and his talent was very obvious from the start.

Here are a few observations:

- When I started watching, the promotion seemed on the quiet side. There weren't a lot of angles and the TV show surprised me with its lack of interviews. There house show promos that got inserted between the matches that aren't present, but I expected more in the body of the show. However, the mic work has picked up considerably from December of 1981 to almost April of 1982. It makes a difference.

- There is at least one angle per show, sometimes two. Angles from previous shows get rerun, at least in truncated form, so fans never know why one wrestler wants to get the other. There is some heel vs. heel friction at times. JYD teams with Mike George and mention is made of how George was once a bad guy and when he and JYD teamed up, people wondered if JYD could really trust him, but George has proven to be a standup guy.

- For as big of a deal as Junkyard Dog was to this promotion and would be for the next two years plus beyond this time period, he was surprisingly not pushed nearly as much as you'd think. The house show promos are missing, so that takes out the primary way most wrestlers got mic time, but I don't think he's been interviewed once. One thing is for sure though, JYD was in amazing shape back then. He hadn't gotten fat yet and even had abs. He looked like a real star.

- Ted DiBiase is doing his quiet and unassuming babyface gimmick. His heel turn is about two and a half months out, but so far nothing has been teased other than him losing the North American Title to Bob Roop. Getting it back was his primary motivation for turning on JYD once the Dog won the title. I am interested in seeing the turn and how he changes. Ted made a good, white hat babyface but was on the bland side, even by 1982 standards.

- Bob Roop won the North American Title by sabotaging the car of fellow heel Paul Orndorff so Mr. Wonderful would be late to the TV taping and miss his match with DiBiase. Roop was a riot as a smarmy heel, explaining that he didn't know where Paul was but he was ready as the #2 contender to step in. Roop stole the match and beat Ted for the belt. Orndorff then showed up in street clothes, saying his car wouldn't start. He found out about Roop and then effectively turned babyface on him.

- Afa and Sika are the tag team champs. They were managed by Ernie Ladd at first but turned on him to go with Skandor Akbar. Akbar had been managing The Iron Sheik who abruptly left the area. Akbar also has One Man Gang with long hair and no gang gimmick. Ladd became a babyface and the fans were pretty fired up that the long time heel was now a good guy. Ladd was still big but was looking old and his knees were bad. Him needing knee surgery, which the promotion showed a clip of like he was a legit athlete on the evening sports report, was a reason for him being written out as manager of the Samoans.

- Bob Orton Jr. was all over TV when I started watching, but has been gone for the past few episodes and in fact is out of the promotion. Legend has it that he got KO'd in a bar fight and fired by Watts, but he'd been in the promotion for about 8 months by the time he left and had already started going to the WWF for TV tapings ahead of debuting at the house shows as was customary for new talent there. This legend looks like an urban legend.

- Paul Ellering came in as 1981 closed doing a low rent Superstar Billy Graham gimmick but minus the talent and charisma Graham had in the tie dyed outfits with the blonde hair. Ellering was a babyface but I wanted to see some heel kick his ass. He was that obnoxious. Watts must have figured out that this was not someone to push and pulled the plug. After two or three weeks of being all over TV, he disappeared without further mention.

- Killer Karl Kox was one of the biggest babyfaces ever in this region during the 1970s. He came back in early 1982 and despite being bald, looking old, and being 50 which was a much older age physically and psychologically back then, the fans absolutely loved him. He was so over it was amazing and despite the connotations of his initials, the black fans were cheering him like he was JYD. DiBiase was the #2 babyface or even the #1B babyface with JYD as #1 or #1A, but Kox was far more over. He was doing a crazy ex-marine gimmick and my understanding is he left not long after this due to some sort of disagreement with Watts, but the Cowboy loved the gimmick so much he gave it to Dick Murdoch. Murdoch was in and out in between New Japan tours.

- Dusty Rhodes and Andre The Giant have both made guest appearances. They made sure to get Dusty on the mic. The Superdome shows are also treated with great reverence. Having just had Louisiana and Mississippi, this was around when McGuirk folded up and they took Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Ozark Missouri as well. It is made clearly always that Grizzly Smith is the official matchmaker. No one can just set up a match on his own and no champ can decide about who does and doesn't get title shots, not to mention when. It always comes back to Smith who while not seen, is said to make rulings from offscreen.

- Boyd Pierce is nominally the host and play by play man, but Bill Watts announces with him on most shows and is clearly in charge when he does. He gets over the wrestlers, matches, and angles brilliantly. Watts also uses the mic as a bully pulpit of sorts, pushing his political/social views, and for a few weeks noted the resemblance of a heel jobber to a Jackson, MS businessman who apparently screwed him on a deal. The guy was Kat Saboulis and Watts called him a "welsher" on TV several times, even saying that the guy had a lovely wife and great kids who had to be embarrassed by his conduct.

It has gotten a lot better since I began watching and is getting better still.

I've been watching this too.  I'm a little bit a head of you it seems- April of 83.

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Heenan Fan, thank you for the kind words.

A few other Mid-South thoughts.

- TV was taped in Shreveport at the Irish McNeill Boys Club in what appeared to be a gymnasium. The bleachers weren't very deep, so it had something of a TV studio feel to it. The crowd was pretty hot. You can tell visually. However, it wasn't always well mic'd. My recollection is this improves later.

- The WWE has to dub out any copyrighted music. Sometimes it fits. JYD's music is generic, but it has the proper feel to it. However, the theme for Killer Karl Kox was comically bad. It sounded like something JYD would use when he's wearing a fatigued jacket and hat doing an ex marine gimmick as a potbellied, bald 50 year old. That was bad.

- There are a number of talented young wrestlers on the undercard who either lose to stars on TV while getting offense and looking good or get squash wins occasionally. Most of them had at least a midcard push somewhere later and a few had some reasonable success. Brian Blair, Jesse Barr, Buddy Landell, Terry Daniels, Tommy Wright, Ricky Harris (later Black Bart), Cocoa Samoa, and Terry Gibbs have all worked matches in this role.

- Tully Blanchard was already getting a big push in Southwest for the obvious reasons of his father owning the promotion and also being very talented. He was on Mid-South TV in a role similar to the young guns noted above rather than in any sort of pushed or protected role. I am not sure why he did this unless he felt that a part time undercard role in Mid-South was worth taking in order to supplement the often lousy Southwest payoffs and build a rep outside the promotion in the event it ever collapsed.

- The ring announcer and interviewer Reiser Bowden worked as an announcer and personality for KTBS-3, the ABC affiliate in Shreveport. Wrestling was taped at the station's studios before moving to the Boys Club, but their production equipment and facilities were still used. Bowden bears a striking resemblance to my late grandfather due to his height, slender build, mustache, glasses, hair, and even his accent a little (my grandpa was born in Oklahoma and later spent a large part of his early life in Missouri, never losing his accent even after he was long gone from that region). So I look forward to seeing him.

- Bill Watts at one point deviated from a match to send a special thanks to Air Traffic Controllers in Dallas-Fort Worth, where this show didn't even air, because whenever his private plane's transponder came on their radar, they apparently always moved him to the front of the line for landing clearance.

- Apart from getting stuff over, Watts was great at making saves on commentary when a spot occasionally got blown. He always had a reason that made sense like the perspiration caused a wrestler to lose his grip or made it easier for the person in the hold or move to escape. I believe he also attributed another missed move to a wrestler being simply too eager and getting ahead of himself, likening it to a wide receiver failing to catch a pass because he was too busy thinking about running down field after making the reception.

- There was a funny spot at the opening of Jim Ross' second episode at the announcing desk when Boyd Pierce froze and seemed to forget Jim's name. When he went to introduce his colleague, there was an awkward pause that likely didn't last as long as it seemed. Then Boyd called him "Big Jim" before finally getting on track and calling him Jim Ross. They got Ross over as an authority on pro wrestling by noting that he'd been a referee for a few years, something JR did in the Oklahoma/Arkansas/Ozark Missouri promotion that Leroy McGuirk kept after Watts took Louisiana and added Mississippi which had previously broken from McGuirk. Jim announced for McGuirk too and was starting to announce for Bill Watts because Mid-South had taken over McGuirk's territory.

- Bob Roop was a really good heel. There was nothing likeable about him at all. He was a cheater and had sort of an Eddie Haskell thing going on the mic. His gear was atrocious. I suppose it was one more reason to boo the guy, but it also made it harder to take him seriously. He wore a singlet to tie into the fact that he competed at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics in Greco-Roman Wrestling, but it didn't fit right and the cut of it made him look really dumpy instead of a top athlete.

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tamalie wrote: I have gone to WWE Network and started watching all of the Mid-South episodes in order. They begin in late 1981 and I am into mid to late March of 1982. Jim Ross debuted as an announcer on the episode before the most recent one I watched and his talent was very obvious from the start.

Here are a few observations:

- When I started watching, the promotion seemed on the quiet side. There weren't a lot of angles and the TV show surprised me with its lack of interviews. There house show promos that got inserted between the matches that aren't present, but I expected more in the body of the show. However, the mic work has picked up considerably from December of 1981 to almost April of 1982. It makes a difference.

- There is at least one angle per show, sometimes two. Angles from previous shows get rerun, at least in truncated form, so fans never know why one wrestler wants to get the other. There is some heel vs. heel friction at times. JYD teams with Mike George and mention is made of how George was once a bad guy and when he and JYD teamed up, people wondered if JYD could really trust him, but George has proven to be a standup guy.

- For as big of a deal as Junkyard Dog was to this promotion and would be for the next two years plus beyond this time period, he was surprisingly not pushed nearly as much as you'd think. The house show promos are missing, so that takes out the primary way most wrestlers got mic time, but I don't think he's been interviewed once. One thing is for sure though, JYD was in amazing shape back then. He hadn't gotten fat yet and even had abs. He looked like a real star.

- Ted DiBiase is doing his quiet and unassuming babyface gimmick. His heel turn is about two and a half months out, but so far nothing has been teased other than him losing the North American Title to Bob Roop. Getting it back was his primary motivation for turning on JYD once the Dog won the title. I am interested in seeing the turn and how he changes. Ted made a good, white hat babyface but was on the bland side, even by 1982 standards.

- Bob Roop won the North American Title by sabotaging the car of fellow heel Paul Orndorff so Mr. Wonderful would be late to the TV taping and miss his match with DiBiase. Roop was a riot as a smarmy heel, explaining that he didn't know where Paul was but he was ready as the #2 contender to step in. Roop stole the match and beat Ted for the belt. Orndorff then showed up in street clothes, saying his car wouldn't start. He found out about Roop and then effectively turned babyface on him.

- Afa and Sika are the tag team champs. They were managed by Ernie Ladd at first but turned on him to go with Skandor Akbar. Akbar had been managing The Iron Sheik who abruptly left the area. Akbar also has One Man Gang with long hair and no gang gimmick. Ladd became a babyface and the fans were pretty fired up that the long time heel was now a good guy. Ladd was still big but was looking old and his knees were bad. Him needing knee surgery, which the promotion showed a clip of like he was a legit athlete on the evening sports report, was a reason for him being written out as manager of the Samoans.

- Bob Orton Jr. was all over TV when I started watching, but has been gone for the past few episodes and in fact is out of the promotion. Legend has it that he got KO'd in a bar fight and fired by Watts, but he'd been in the promotion for about 8 months by the time he left and had already started going to the WWF for TV tapings ahead of debuting at the house shows as was customary for new talent there. This legend looks like an urban legend.

- Paul Ellering came in as 1981 closed doing a low rent Superstar Billy Graham gimmick but minus the talent and charisma Graham had in the tie dyed outfits with the blonde hair. Ellering was a babyface but I wanted to see some heel kick his ass. He was that obnoxious. Watts must have figured out that this was not someone to push and pulled the plug. After two or three weeks of being all over TV, he disappeared without further mention.

- Killer Karl Kox was one of the biggest babyfaces ever in this region during the 1970s. He came back in early 1982 and despite being bald, looking old, and being 50 which was a much older age physically and psychologically back then, the fans absolutely loved him. He was so over it was amazing and despite the connotations of his initials, the black fans were cheering him like he was JYD. DiBiase was the #2 babyface or even the #1B babyface with JYD as #1 or #1A, but Kox was far more over. He was doing a crazy ex-marine gimmick and my understanding is he left not long after this due to some sort of disagreement with Watts, but the Cowboy loved the gimmick so much he gave it to Dick Murdoch. Murdoch was in and out in between New Japan tours.

- Dusty Rhodes and Andre The Giant have both made guest appearances. They made sure to get Dusty on the mic. The Superdome shows are also treated with great reverence. Having just had Louisiana and Mississippi, this was around when McGuirk folded up and they took Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Ozark Missouri as well. It is made clearly always that Grizzly Smith is the official matchmaker. No one can just set up a match on his own and no champ can decide about who does and doesn't get title shots, not to mention when. It always comes back to Smith who while not seen, is said to make rulings from offscreen.

- Boyd Pierce is nominally the host and play by play man, but Bill Watts announces with him on most shows and is clearly in charge when he does. He gets over the wrestlers, matches, and angles brilliantly. Watts also uses the mic as a bully pulpit of sorts, pushing his political/social views, and for a few weeks noted the resemblance of a heel jobber to a Jackson, MS businessman who apparently screwed him on a deal. The guy was Kat Saboulis and Watts called him a "welsher" on TV several times, even saying that the guy had a lovely wife and great kids who had to be embarrassed by his conduct.

It has gotten a lot better since I began watching and is getting better still.

Paul Ellering was awful. In Mid South and in Georgia before The Road Warriors came along. Hawk and Animal saved his career.

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I’ve always wanted to but have never watched mid south tv outside of a match here and there. Reading these has me intrigued and I might just give it a go. I’m guessing the superdome shows are nowhere to be found as tv builds to them??

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tamalie wrote: Heenan Fan, thank you for the kind words.

A few other Mid-South thoughts.


- The WWE has to dub out any copyrighted music. Sometimes it fits. JYD's music is generic, but it has the proper feel to it. However, the theme for Killer Karl Kox was comically bad. It sounded like something JYD would use when he's wearing a fatigued jacket and hat doing an ex marine gimmick as a potbellied, bald 50 year old. That was bad.


Interesting, I'm watching on the YouTubes and the music isn't dubbed.  KKK comes out to Here Come the Judge, or some shit.

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Spatulapup wrote: Arn Anderson says Bill Watts pissed off too much of the talent to survive in WCW. He started cutting down the wrestlers salaries. He cut Arn and Bobby Eatons salaries in half. He got rid of catering, wanted the wrestlers to eat their food out of lunchboxes. He was out of touch with how things had changed.In other words, Bill wanted the company to finally turn a profit and aactually make money. Ole Anderson was out of touch in 1992. Bill Watts was not. :?

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: Heenan Fan, thank you for the kind words.

A few other Mid-South thoughts.


- The WWE has to dub out any copyrighted music. Sometimes it fits. JYD's music is generic, but it has the proper feel to it. However, the theme for Killer Karl Kox was comically bad. It sounded like something JYD would use when he's wearing a fatigued jacket and hat doing an ex marine gimmick as a potbellied, bald 50 year old. That was bad.


Interesting, I'm watching on the YouTubes and the music isn't dubbed.  KKK comes out to Here Come the Judge, or some shit.

This explains the bad dubbing job. "Here Comes The Judge" had a late 1960s soul/early funk sound to it, assuming it was the Shorty Long version as opposed to the Pigmeat Markham version. Whoever did the dubbing for WWE Network probably just picked a tune with a similar feel, completely missing the cultural relevance of the replaced song from "Rowan and Martin's Laugh In" being a major pop radio hit and the lyrics relating to Kox as a judge of sorts when it came to taking out the heels.

cookie32723 wrote: I’ve always wanted to but have never watched mid south tv outside of a match here and there. Reading these has me intrigued and I might just give it a go. I’m guessing the superdome shows are nowhere to be found as tv builds to them??

A recent episode showed clips of fans entering the Superdome before one of the cards, showing this great throng of people like they were going to an NFL or MLB game. It looked very impressive. The idea was to show the fans at home that Mid-South Wrestling was at a major league level and to entice fans in New Orleans and its surrounding communities to come to future cards. 

The TV show airs house show footage fairly often, usually on film without sound or with crowd noise dubbed in. I don't recall seeing any Superdome action so far and figure they want the fans to pay to see what amounted to their supercards since they ran the stadium 2 to 4 times per year for loaded shows with gimmick matches, big feud blow offs, and big name fly ins. 

From 1984 onward, more Superdome matches made TV with the bouts now being videotaped professionally. I attribute it to the need for better content to fight the WWF, Joel Watts taking over production and upping the standards considerably, and the Power Pro Wrestling show going on the air. PPW for its first couple of years was a clip show and often aired house show matches from the Superdome, Tulsa, OKC, and Houston.

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I'm watching "Brains Behind the Brawn" on the Network.  One of the old Coliseum Home Videos.  This is at that point where a lot of the Coliseum Home Videos didn't include matches from house shows, but a lot of retreads from tv and PPV's that you've already seen a dozen times.

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Blazer wrote: Watts was trying to re-educate the fanbase, but things had changed so much in the five years that he was gone that it was almost a lost cause. That said, he was making headway and his run had a lot of highlights. I didn't agree with the off-the-top-rope or removing the mats. There was behind the scenes stuff that probably did more harm than good for morale (making injured guys travel on the road and show up at the house shows to announce they couldn't work rather than just no-show).

The Midnight Express-Heavenly Bodies angle was great.
Cactus vs. Sting feud
The Jake Roberts return in Baltimore
Simmons beating Vader in Baltimore
The off the charts tag-team booking
Turning Pillman heel
Rude vs Steamboat

1992 WCW was really underappreciated.


Late 91 thru Superbrawl 3 is right there with late 85 to early 87 JCP for me. Lots of good stuff, quality tv and some really solid tag wrestling. Both time frames had some real gems on the B and C shows. 

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Yesterday watched the 2nd hour of Wrestlemania 28, which was essentially the entire HHH vs. Taker HIAC match with HBK as ref including intros, post-match shit, etc. First time I had ever seen it. Slow start, but amazing storytelling at the end. I'm rewatching Manias that I've missed (I'm like a decade behind) so this is a fun exercise. 2012 WWE was tolerable. It'll be interesting to see when this falls off the cliff.


Also watched the Dark Side of the Ring ep on Montreal on Youtube.


Non-wrestling, watched the new Clone Wars ep yesterday.

I have WrestleWar 92 on dvd...might be inspired to watch that today after Franchise's post. Another of those early 90s WCW shows that for some reason alluded me (well, reason was I was in college and no access to or money for PPV).

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Blazer wrote: Yesterday watched the 2nd hour of Wrestlemania 28, which was essentially the entire HHH vs. Taker HIAC match with HBK as ref including intros, post-match shit, etc. First time I had ever seen it. Slow start, but amazing storytelling at the end. I'm rewatching Manias that I've missed (I'm like a decade behind) so this is a fun exercise. 2012 WWE was tolerable. It'll be interesting to see when this falls off the cliff.


Also watched the Dark Side of the Ring ep on Montreal on Youtube.


Non-wrestling, watched the new Clone Wars ep yesterday.

I have WrestleWar 92 on dvd...might be inspired to watch that today after Franchise's post. Another of those early 90s WCW shows that for some reason alluded me (well, reason was I was in college and no access to or money for PPV).

I grew up with the THV version which was a real solid 2hr show, the PPV version of the show on the network is a little slow sometimes. 

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Just watched the first match of WrestleWar 92. I'm reminded of how much I hate the fucking early 90s Freebirds. Channel changers. Sucked as heels, sucked even more as faces.

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A brunette Precious showed up out of nowhere for an interview with the Freebirds. Never saw her in this time period before. Looks a little bit like Terri Runnels. That was odd.

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The freebirds are terrible in this time period.

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Check out the clip on youtube where Cornette tells the story about the Birds no selling for Dr. Death & The Midnights in a 6 man. It's pretty funny.

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The first hour of WrestleWar 92 has the Freebirds looking gay as hell with eye makeup, then the next match is Johnny B Badd in full transvestite makeup, and the next match is Marcus Alexander Bagwell doing Chipendale’s shit with Scotty Flamingo dressed like a gay cabana boy. Who the hell was the audience for early 90s WCW undercard? Finally a hour into the show we get Mr Hughes and Cactus against JYD and Simmons.

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Blazer wrote: The first hour of WrestleWar 92 has the Freebirds looking gay as hell with eye makeup, then the next match is Johnny B Badd in full transvestite makeup, and the next match is Marcus Alexander Bagwell doing Chipendale’s shit with Scotty Flamingo dressed like a gay cabana boy. Who the hell was the audience for early 90s WCW undercard? Finally a hour into the show we get Mr Hughes and Cactus against JYD and Simmons.
It didn't dawn on me until you mentioned this. But now I'm convinced Goldust was yet another Vince rib on Dusty for all the gay shit he booked in WCW.  

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So WrestleWar 92 is a cool show to check out. It’s kinda a three match show: Zenk vs Pillman is good, the Steiners vs Fujinami/other guy match is a spectacle (probably could write a book on what the hell happened with this), and then War Games. First six matches of the show are borderline unwatchable unless you’re into gay porn.

Also, Jesse and Jim Ross have negative chemistry. Ross kinda had a stick up his ass about Jesse. Wouldn’t work with him at all when Jesse would feed him lines.

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Ross confessed that he was pissed off because Jesse was making a shitload more money and doing less. 

Then after he left in 93 Jesse knocked him a few times on TV.

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I'm watching some WWF from May/June of 83. Sgt. Slaughter has returned after a hot feud in Mid-Atlantic with Pvt. Kernodle vs. Steamboat & Youngblood.


In the TV episode I'm watching Don Kernodle wrestles. Does anyone know if there was ever a plan to put team him with the Sarge in the WWF? He's not Private Kernodle so I'd guess not, but they were coming off one of the hottest tag team feuds of the year.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I'm watching some WWF from May/June of 83. Sgt. Slaughter has returned after a hot feud in Mid-Atlantic with Pvt. Kernodle vs. Steamboat & Youngblood.


In the TV episode I'm watching Don Kernodle wrestles. Does anyone know if there was ever a plan to put team him with the Sarge in the WWF? He's not Private Kernodle so I'd guess not, but they were coming off one of the hottest tag team feuds of the year.



Interesting sidetone- allegedly the Snuka match is from the night he killed his girlfriend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5HEs6YQYY&list=WL&index=2

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Watched the third hour of Mania 28 last night which was a 12 man tag between Teddy Long and Laurinitis’s teams (Eve was hotter than fuck back then), Punk vs Jericho (which I really enjoyed, fans were kinda behind the heel Jericho), and the intros to Cena/Rock, which were pretty cool.

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For nostalgia,Superstars from 1992.
I hope they add the shows from 1994 eventually.
I remember them being pretty entertaining.

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Here's an interesting watch.  It lacks continuity, but some good stuff anyway.
The Bill Watts Quadruplex Reels.

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Been watching a lot of WWC lately, mostly to clear out my hard drive. Some pretty interesting matchups happened there but unfortunately complete matches are hard to come by, mostly clipped or JIP.

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In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Here's an interesting watch.  It lacks continuity, but some good stuff anyway.
The Bill Watts Quadruplex Reels.
Funny - my Mid South/UWF hard drive shit the bed and I lost 3TB of shows.  This was one of the discs I lost.  I grabbed a “Disk Digger” software that can find remaining files on a crashed external drive, and I got back between 85-90% of the files, including this.  So I watched this just last week.  Like you say, it’s all over the place, but it’s pretty damn cool.  

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.He also booked “Mil Mascaras” to job out at the Mid South Coliseum, a guy named Dirty Rhodes to try and confuse fans dumb enough to think one fat guy was the same as another, along with countless ridiculous angles.  The sour grapes comment should have been avoided.  
EDIT - I meant Eddie Marlin made the sour grapes comment, not you Sin.  LOL, sorry if I was confusing!

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.

Is this where Lawler lost and came back as "The Hawaiian Flash", or am I thinking of another of the 28173468 Lawler/Dundee Loser Leaves Town matches?

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Watched the new HHH special on the network today. Basically what would be the Blu-Ray if that was still a thing. Kinda funny to see his first WWF match squashing a pale white, overweight Buck Zumhofe.

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I watched the Vice episode on Dino Bravo.


It’s weird to me to say I enjoyed something about someone who was murdered but Dino is a rare example in my life where I saw someone on TV and was like “he looks like a cool mother fucker” usually I could give a shit.


Dino for whatever reason was always a favorite of mine growing up even though I really only ever saw his blonde WWF run which clearly wasn’t his best work.

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Superstar wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.He also booked “Mil Mascaras” to job out at the Mid South Coliseum, a guy named Dirty Rhodes to try and confuse fans dumb enough to think one fat guy was the same as another, along with countless ridiculous angles.  The sour grapes comment should have been avoided.  
EDIT - I meant Eddie Marlin made the sour grapes comment, not you Sin.  LOL, sorry if I was confusing!


By putting Mil Mascaras in quotes am I to believe it was a fake Mascaras?  Mil never fucking sold or jobbed, so it would stand to reason.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.


Son of a Bitch, Mid-Atlantic ran the loser returns as masked man angle with Charlie Brown From Out of Town too.  The Midnight Rider, Stagger Lee, and Charlie Brown were all within a months or two from each other.

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Finished the HOF broadcast from 2012. The Horsemen went in, and it was cool that Flair kinda moved aside and let AA and Tully give really long speeches since that will be their one time getting into the HOF. Edge's induction to end the night was weird. Dude seems like he's really stuck on himself, wasn't sure if that was his gimmick coming out or not.

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Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

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nyhack56 wrote: Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

Mantaur
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Those were rough times. I’m watching both WWF and WCW and am in September 1995, hold on it gets (slightly) better. I’m really looking forward to 1996, that was my favorite year ever. 

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cookie32723 wrote: nyhack56 wrote: Made it through 93.and 94 and I am into full WrestleCrap era WWF 1995.

Mantaur
Waylon Mercy
Duke the Dumpster Droese

Those were rough times. I’m watching both WWF and WCW and am in September 1995, hold on it gets (slightly) better. I’m really looking forward to 1996, that was my favorite year ever. 

Yeah i dont remember a lot of this.stuff because I stopped watching wrestling from late 1993 until late 1995.  I remember 1996 very well as I was back into it by then.

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I found "The Hulk Hogan Archive" on YouTube.  It has some things I've never seen:
 
-          Hogan vs. Bob Orton from September 1984
-          Hogan and Hillbilly Jim on Blackjack’s BBQ 1-12-85
-          Hogan LA Promo 3-3-84
 
And of course, some things I haven’t seen in a long time:
-          Hogan vs. Afa 1984
-          Hogan on the Snake Pit 1986
-          Hogan vs. Bill Dixon 1984
 
Lots of other stuff from his heel run and AWA, and local promos too.
 
This channel has 2.47k subscribers, so there is interest in classic stuff despite what we’ve been told by WWE.  Why I can’t find this kind of stuff on the Network that I pay $10 a month for I’ll never understand.




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My trip through Mid-South continues. The last episode I watched aired around the first weekend of May 1982. Here is a look at what was going on.

- JYD and Mr. Olympia were getting a big push as tag team champs. For as big of a push as JYD got, he was treated on TV like one of many stars, not as a Hulk Hogan, Dusty Rhodes, Jerry Lawler or Von Erich brothers type who was the superstar above all other stars on TV constantly. I think this changed a bit after DiBiase went heel. The WWE Network episodes also have no house show promos where he really shined as a personality, but you would not watch this show as is and think JYD was on a level above anyone else except for the pop when he came to ringside. JYD oddly was without a program apart from him and Mr. Olympia defending the tag straps against the Samoans. I think they were clearing his plate in preparation for the DiBiase feud.

- Afa and Sika had been managed by Ernie Ladd, but Ladd wound up a babyface when Skandor Akbar stole them away and had One Man Gang injure Ladd. Ladd brought The Assassin in to be his partner for a TV match against The Samoans, having paid The Assassin to be his partner. However, the man in the yellow mask with black trim then walked out on Ladd, explaining he'd accepted a better offer from Akbar to leave Ladd high and dry. Words cannot properly describe how awesome The Assassin was on the mic when explaining to Ladd that he was screwed. Ladd also did a great job of acting totally surprised and upset asking The Assassin why he waited until they were in the ring to wrestle instead of telling him earlier when Ladd could have found a sub. The Assassin replied that he decided to wait until the last second just to add a little flair to the moment and made it clear he was enjoying seeing Ladd in dire straits.

- Ted DiBiase had been North American Champion. He was supposed to defend the title on TV against Paul Orndorff, the #1 contender. Orndorff didn't show at the taping. Bob Roop, as really effective smarmy heel, said that he was ready as #2 contender to take the match. He was put in the spot and won the title after One Man Gang injured DiBiase while the ref was occupied. Orndorff then arrived and was furious that the title match had taken place without him and Roop was the new champ. It turned out Roop had sabotaged Orndorff's car so he'd be late to the taping and Roop could swipe the title shot. Orndorff then became a babyface and the fans took to him immediately. Mr. Wonderful was effective as a good guy or villain.

- Ted DiBiase sold his injuries at the hands of One Man Gang by being ruled out of action which freed him up to go on an All Japan tour. Ted returned and got a televised rematch against Bob Roop, but lost in his bid to regain the North American Title. He seemed very down and frustrated in the aftermath. The announcers said nothing. No effort was made to hammer it home. It was quietly put there for fans to see. He had a look of disgust on his face that normally isn’t displayed by a babyface. Ted’s heel turn was coming very soon and this was the first sign that something was amiss with him.

- The Grappler was back after a long absence and using his loaded boot gimmick. He interfered in a match pitting The Assassin and One Man Gang against Ernie Ladd and Iron Mike Sharpe. He came in wearing his Grappler gear, but with an Assassin mask on instead of his own. He then used the boot after a ref bump to take out either Ladd or Sharpe, I forget which, while the other battled with OMG. The Assassin went to the floor and The Grappler covered the babyface for the pin with the ref groggily counting and then hightailed it out of there. Iron Mike Sharpe was getting a babyface push as a serious and capable wrestler. His entire demeanor was 100% different from his comical prelim role in the WWF. He had Ladd's back when The Assassin bailed on him.

- Killer Karl Kox had started on TV doing a crazy ex marine gimmick around late March or early April after a long absence from what was one of his primary territories. He left after a taping or two with Akbar's crew given the credit for injuring him. I believe Kox, who was around 50 when that was a much older physical and psychological age, decided to retire rather than falling out with Watts as I’d believed previously. In a rather business exposing move from Bill Watts, Dick Murdoch turned up with the gimmick a few weeks later. He'd been in an out of the territory for a while, but was now back to stay and went after Akbar's stable. Andre The Giant came in as a partner. Murdoch always wore a marine jacket and cap to the ring while carrying a duffel bag filled with supplies including a shovel he called “a trenching tool” he used to ward off heels. At one point the bag fell over and a six pack of Miller Lite cans came out in a sight gag the announcers didn’t acknowledge or fake laugh over.

- Kim Duk (Tiger Chung Lee) and Cocoa Samoa were in to join the list of undercard guys who'd lose on TV to bigger stars, but would get wins over lesser wrestlers and would swap wins with one another. Guys like Terry Gibbs, Jesse Barr, and Buddy Landell also were among the undercard guys who were treated as decent wrestlers who'd normally lose on TV, but get wins in stand by matches over one another and guys further down the ladder and were considered threats to pull an upset on a bigger star. 

- Bob Sweetan and Tully Blanchard were heavily pushed in Southwest at this time. Both came to Mid-South for TV and a limited number of house shows in roles that gave them protection from looking like nobodies, but also didn't give them anything like the superstar pushes they got in San Antonio. Perhaps it was a way of supplementing the sometimes meager Southwest payoffs. In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 

- Paul Ellering returned doing his bargain basement imitation of Superstar Billy Graham with the blonde hair, muscular physique, sunglasses, tie dyed gear, and the jive rap during interviews, but with absolutely none of the talent and charisma that made Graham such a huge star. Ellering was unbelievably obnoxious in this role. There was a terrible angle in which some kids got brought out of the audience for Ellering to train them. The kids did laps around the ring's interior, jumping jacks, pushups, and other exercises. This clip went around tape trading circles 20 plus years ago with novelty cash in song Pac-Man Fever playing in the background. That was dubbed out on WWE Network. The idea was Ellering was a hero to the kid fans, but he came off as so unappealing that I can't get how anyone cheered for him beyond reflexively doing so because he was a babyface.

- Harley Race was coming in for some house shows. Since he wasn't coming to Shreveport for TV, they had a tape of an old match sent in to air. Bill Watts threw it to Atlanta for the match and I expected to see something from the WTBS studio. However, what we got instead was Harley vs. Terry Taylor from the Sportatorium in Tampa with a brief inset of Freddie Miller tossing it to Gordon Solie in Tampa. The bout was from a taping on February 18, 1980. Taylor looked really young, but was pretty good for his level of experience.

- Jim Ross was back to do more commentary. I think Bill Watts liked Boyd Pierce and knew the fans loved and respected him as the kindly host, but I think one reason why Bill Watts generally handled commentary was because he didn't think Boyd could get stuff over in just the way he wanted it done. Jim Ross knew how to call wrestling the Bill Watts way and I expect we will see more and more of him. Reiser Bowden still does the ring announcing and some interviews. We had a Joel Watts mention too although he's some time away from joining the on air team.

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tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.
They both allegedly molested their step daughters.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.

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tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.

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WWE will broadcast content related to March 1987's Wrestlemania III Recall this Tuesday 5/12 at 8 PM EST on FS1.

7 PM - Wrestlemania Rewind on Wrestlemania IIII. This is the WWE Network episode from 2014.

8 PM - Three hour Wrestlemania 3 Recall. The March 1987 event featured:

*WWE Champion Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant.

*WWE Intercontinental Champion Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat.

*Roddy Piper vs. Adrian Adonis - Hair vs. Hair Piper Retirement Match.

*The Hart Foundation & Danny Davis vs, The British Bulldogs & Tito Santana.

*Butch Reed vs,. Koko B. Ware.

*Harley Race vs. The Junktyard Dog.

*The Dream Team vs. The Rougeaus.

*The Can-Am Connection vs. Don Muraco & Bob Orton.

*Jake Roberts vs. The Honkytonk Man.

*The Killer Bees vs. The Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff.

*King Kong Bundy & Little Tokyo & Lord Little Brook vs. Hillbilly Jim & Little Beaver & The Haiti Kid.

11 PM EST - WWE Backstage.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.


As 1982 progresses, are there more interviews within the body of the show? The booking is outstanding, there are usually at least one competitive match and angle per show, the wrestlers are mostly really good, and the not so good wrestlers generally serve some sort of redeeming purpose like the very green One Man Gang as a monster. The one thing that would make it perfect is more interviews. I've watched what amounts to 5 months of from late 1981 to May of 1982 and JYD hasn't done an interview yet. Granted, he and everyone else did a ton of talking in the localized house show promos that are missing, so the fan watching in 1982 saw the shows in a different way. However, I am hoping for more mic work to flesh things out a bit.

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tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: tamalie wrote: In a really odd and uncomfortable coincidence, Sweetan teamed up with Ken Wayne on TV. They lost to JYD and Olympia with Wayne getting pinned. Wayne was only in for this taping.

- Hacksaw Jim Duggan just made his TV debut. Oddly, given the circumstances for his later babyface turn when Ted DiBiase signed with Akbar’s stable a year later, Duggan was brought in by Akbar as a bounty hunter to take out Dick Murdoch. However, it looks like was only in for a taping. Murdoch pinned him cleanly and then Duggan went back to Southwest for a few months, likely without further mention. When Duggan returned in mid summer as a full timer to form The Rat Pack with DiBiase and others, his past with Akbar was forgotten 


Can you explain what you mean about Sweetan and Wayne?

I'm not sure how far in you are, but even as a heel Duggan denounces Akbar and his oil money & his relationship to the Iron Sheik and the Iranian Hostage situation.


This was Duggan's first appearance. He didn't speak. He just stood menacingly next to Skandor Akbar who did the talking. After this one appearance that was taped in very late April of 1982 and aired in early May of 1982, Hacksaw Jim Duggan went back to Southwest and didn't come back until mid July of 1982, after which he was a regular aligned with the recently turned Ted DiBiase and others in the The Rat Pack. So his real run in Mid-South is yet to come.


Yeah, I'm currently watching this too, but I'm 6 months or so a head of you.  He first appeared with Akbar.


As 1982 progresses, are there more interviews within the body of the show? The booking is outstanding, there are usually at least one competitive match and angle per show, the wrestlers are mostly really good, and the not so good wrestlers generally serve some sort of redeeming purpose like the very green One Man Gang as a monster. The one thing that would make it perfect is more interviews. I've watched what amounts to 5 months of from late 1981 to May of 1982 and JYD hasn't done an interview yet. Granted, he and everyone else did a ton of talking in the localized house show promos that are missing, so the fan watching in 1982 saw the shows in a different way. However, I am hoping for more mic work to flesh things out a bit.


Now that you mention it, there really aren't.  I never thought about it.  I just finished an episode and it had 2 interviews.  They were both extremely important to advance storylines.

I can't stand Watts on commentary.  Sometimes he talking about who painted his plane or some shit, he is always telling the viewer that the crowd is chanting something they are not.  Usually its "two" when Mr. Wrestling II is wrestling.  Today it was "Who Dat. Who Dat. Who Dat say they gonna beat dat Dog" while JYD was wrestling. No one is fucking chanting that.  In fact, no one is chanting at all at the time. They did chant "JYD" later during  the match.
It's awful when Steve Williams is wrestling.  The bullshit he claims about him as a football player isn't even near factual.  He was the number one pick in the USFL or he had very successful season as an individual. If I recall correctly he got cut.  It's bad with Butch Reed and JYD too, but it's over the top with Williams.

His subtle racist remarks come out often with Reed and somewhat with JYD.  It's funny when he catches it and starts ad libbing and trying to explain.  He went on a rant about Russia during a Boris Zurkoff (or Zurkov) match.  Anyone know when or why he dropped the r at some point?  I remember thinking I had been pronouncing wrong the whole time.

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So for all the Mid South fans, whats a good jumping in point? I'd like to get in when its hot and some good angles going, rather than slog through a bunch of squash matches. Any recommendations?

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Watching the 8/8/87 NWA World Championship Wrestling show. Got to give credit to Dusty, as he had long term booking set months in advance. On the 8/1/87 episode they already set shit in motion for the post Bash feuds (Dusty vs. Luger, RnR vs. Tully and Arn, Flair vs. Ronnie Garvin) leading into the Thanksgiving Starrcade three months down the road.  The Flair/Garvin thing kinda easily transitioned from the Jimmy Garvin blowoff where Flair won Precious for a night but Jimmy and Ronnie busted in. This episode has Sean Royal in a squash also, who is super over (this is after the accident so Chris Champion is still out) and you can kinda tell this is the very moment when the RnR Express looks dated as hell. A team like the New Breed makes RnR look awful, and sure enough RnR was basically done after Starrcade '87.

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wittman2 wrote: So for all the Mid South fans, whats a good jumping in point? I'd like to get in when its hot and some good angles going, rather than slog through a bunch of squash matches. Any recommendations?

I watch it on Youtube.  I'm in 83 which is very enjoyable.  82 was very good also. That's where Tamalie is.   I think I started in 80 or 81, but I don't remember much about it. I've watched so much recently it's blending together.
I'm watching every territory simultaneously chronologically.  So I watch every show I can find from September 9th, 1983.  It's interesting because Georgia and Mid South and Houston are sharing some talent.  It gives it a nice flow because a guy (I don't want to ruin any angles) lost a loser leaves town match in one place and showed up in another.

About your Mid South squash match concern, their TV has very few squashes, and the guys who do get beat are more young future stars than they are jobbers.  Bill Irwin and Rick Harris (Black Bart) are enhancement guys, but they put them over as young guys learning the ropes.  There aren't any Frankie Williams or Rooster Griffins.  I just watched JYD vs. DiBiase which is their hottest feud. As much as I can't stand Watts on the mic, his TV show is the best around.

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My WWF PPV and SNME journey is over. Royal Rumble 93 is such a bad show, and I know it's not getting better any time soon. I've already watched WWE 1996-2002. With no new wrestling on the WWE Network anymore, I've cancelled my subscription. They didn't offer me a free month this time, so I guess I'm done with them.

So... I've taken up the free 30 day trial of Impact Plus. Not sure exactly what I want to watch yet, but for the time being I've gone back to show #1.

It's amazing that there was a show #2 after watching the first one (or a #3 if you want to be picky, since the first two were taped together.)

The X-Division guys are great (if you ignore the Flying Elvises gimmick). Everything else is HORRIBLE. Midgets, awful women's "wrestling", the Dupps, the Johnsons, Ed Ferrara, NASCAR drivers, country singers. It's unfathomable that company still exists. People really paid their $10 and thought that this was worth $10 every week.

The opening of the first show is hilarious, with Jeff Jarrett, Ken Shamrock and Scott Hall all cutting promos on how much it sucks to crown a new champion in a battle royal. That all comes down to a regular match between Ken Shamrock and Malice (WCW's The Wall) with Ricky Steamboat as ref. The match is actually pretty good, except for one huge, huge problem. Malice tapped three times before the finish. He wasn't supposed to tap, the match didn't end, and he wasn't trying to tap out, but he quite clearly tapped three times. It was so obvious that the announcers even mentioned it.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.


Son of a Bitch, Mid-Atlantic ran the loser returns as masked man angle with Charlie Brown From Out of Town too.  The Midnight Rider, Stagger Lee, and Charlie Brown were all within a months or two from each other.
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Watching the April 1986 MSG show. First four matches were somewhat shitty, although Rene Goulet and Iron Mike Sharpe are fucking awesome.


The Tito vs. Macho IC match is electric.


Lanny Poffo vs. Rene Goulet
Volkoff vs. Garea
King Tonga vs. Paul Christy
Sivi Afi vs. Iron Mike Sharpe
Beefcake vs. Dynamite Kid
Valentine vs. Davey Boy
Santana vs. Savage (No DQ IC Title Rematch)
Sheik vs. Kirchner
Hogan/Jim vs. Studd/Bundy

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The Hogan/Jim vs. Studd/Bundy match is on the Hulkamania 2 Coliseum Video VHS.

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Gone_Fishing wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: In watching everything I can find from 1983, I noticed that within a month or so Dusty lost a Loser Leave Town Match and returned at the Midnight Rider, and JYD lost one and returned as Stagger Lee.


Now Memphis is setting up Lawler vs. Dundee Loser Leave match, and Eddie Marlin said something like, "The loser is really going to leave. This won't be like other ares where the loser returns under a mask." I loved him taking a shot at the absurdity of a guy returning under a mask and everyone pretending they can't tell who it is except the heels.


Son of a Bitch, Mid-Atlantic ran the loser returns as masked man angle with Charlie Brown From Out of Town too.  The Midnight Rider, Stagger Lee, and Charlie Brown were all within a months or two from each other.
Don’t forget Barry Wyndham, as “The Dirty Yellow Dog


Was that in 83 too?  Fuck, because Dibiase just returned to Georgia and started talking shit in Tommy Rich, so Mr. R will soon be making an appearance too.

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There's a weird dynamic on this show. It's Ernie Ladd's first show back in the WWF. It's a three man team with Ernie, Gorilla and Alfred. They all get along, and Gorilla is giving him major respect even though he kinda sucks. I know he did the Big Event and the first three weeks of Wrestling Challenge, but I don't recall if he had any other work in the WWF at the time.

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Ernie Ladd would help guys get into the WWF. He was a recruiter for them for awhile. Jim Cornette said Ernie was the guy who called him when they had their meeting with Vince in 1986.

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Old TNA is just too crap, and the SD looks awful. I'm gonna watch 2020 Impact and see how it goes. The first show is good fun, much more so than 2020 NXT to compare two small arena shows. The one thing that really bugs me is Josh Matthews on commentary. He always calls the finish during the 3-count and not after, which is an incredibly annoying habit. At first I thought the audio was out of sync, but the promos are fine.

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Watching some of the Hannibal shoots. Teri Runnels is awful. Raymond Rougeau was pretty good. The Skype session he did with Adrian Adonis' daughter was ok, the drug stuff is the best part.

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Anyone know why the Road Warriors fired Ellering? Neither side turned face and to my knowledge they didn't feud.


Ellering just switched from managing the Roadies to Buzz Sawyer.

Eventually they reunited making it even more odd.

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This is an interesting card:
November 24, 1983 (Thursday) – Atlanta, GA – Omni Coliseum (Paul Jones – Promoter / Georgia Championship Wrestling) 


 
One-Night Tag Team Tournament: 
Jim Neidhart & King Kong Bundy over Tommy Rogers & Joe Lightfoot to advance; 

Butch Reed & Pez Whatley over Randy Rose & Jimmy Randolph to advance; 


Bruise Brothers (Troy Graham & Porkchop Cash) over the Russians (Nikolai Volkoff & Korstia Korchenko) to advance; 


Ron Garvin & Jim Duggan over Bob Brown & Chick Donovan to advance;

 
Randy Savage & Magnum T.A. over the Mad Mongolians (members involved are unknown to us at this time) to advance;



(Why the ass do you have 10 teams and give a second round bye to T.A. & Savage & a third round bye to Reed & Whatley) 


Round 2:
Reed & Whatley over Neidhart & Bundy to advance; 
the Bruise Brothers over Garvin & Duggan to advance;


Round 3:
Savage & T. A. over the Bruise Brothers to advance;


Finals

Reed & Whatley over Savage & T. A. to win the money


To me this is interesting because Whatley is a face and Reed is a Heel.  Unless I missed some matches Whatley is wrestling in Georgia and Reed in Mid-South & they haven't teamed together.  The pairing is odd outside the fact that they are both black.



 Other matches...
> Women’s Match: Debbie Combs over Donna Day > Ted DiBiase over Brett Sawyer > Jake Roberts over Mr. Wrestling #2 > Tommy Rich & Buzz Sawyer over the Road Warriors (Animal & Hawk) / Notes: It was reported that 12,000 were in attendance for this card. It was reported that the purse for the tournament was $50,000. Paul Ellering managed Roberts and the Warriors. Jimmy Hart managed the Bruise Brothers.




Rich & Buzz teamed which is cool because this is a very short time after the Last Battle of Atlanta.



This says Ellering is managing the Roadies, but on TV where they are hyping the card they are not together, but I guess there are 19 days to go.

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I'm watching Wrestlemania 3 on FS1.  Here it comes now.

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Boz1515 wrote: I'm watching Wrestlemania 3 on FS1.  Here it comes now.

Just turned it on and caught a glaring edit immediately, probably because I've watched this show maybe 30 times in my life and have it almost memorized.  When Gorilla and Jesse are introducing Uecker and Mary Hart, Jesse says he's pumped up, and Mary's like, "Jesse, standing this close, I can tell you're pumped up.  I can tell a lot of things!"  
They totally took that line out.  BOO!!!! 

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Blazer wrote: Boz1515 wrote: I'm watching Wrestlemania 3 on FS1.  Here it comes now.

Just turned it on and caught a glaring edit immediately, probably because I've watched this show maybe 30 times in my life and have it almost memorized.  When Gorilla and Jesse are introducing Uecker and Mary Hart, Jesse says he's pumped up, and Mary's like, "Jesse, standing this close, I can tell you're pumped up.  I can tell a lot of things!"  
They totally took that line out.  BOO!!!! 


Yeah, heavily edited so far.

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Did they skip Hercules vs. Billy Jack?

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Watching Adrian vs Piper again, I think it may be overlooked how good Jimmy Hart is in this match.  In fact, I'm thinking this may be his single best performance.  I can't think of a better one.

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Boz1515 wrote: Watching Adrian vs Piper again, I think it may be overlooked how good Jimmy Hart is in this match.  In fact, I'm thinking this may be his single best performance.  I can't think of a better one.

Hart fucking made that match.  He was flipping and flying all over the place.  Dude was awesome.
I'm also reminded of Gorilla not knowing the definition of "ecstatic".  He said Jimmy Hart's ecstatic after Adrian lost.  Um, no Gorilla.  Love him and Jesse though.

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Boz1515 wrote: Did they skip Hercules vs. Billy Jack?

I've recording it down in the basement and having been going up and down to catch a few seconds...but, just a theory, maybe because of the juice job at the end?  

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Blazer wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Did they skip Hercules vs. Billy Jack?
I've recording it down in the basement and having been going up and down to catch a few seconds...but, just a theory, maybe because of the juice job at the end?

That would make sense.  Also, they appear to have skipped Hillbilly vs. Bundy with all the midgets as well.

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BJH vs. Hercules, the six man with the midgets, Rougeaus vs. Dream Team, and Koko vs. Butch Reed were all omitted.

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Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Did they skip Hercules vs. Billy Jack?
I've recording it down in the basement and having been going up and down to catch a few seconds...but, just a theory, maybe because of the juice job at the end?

That would make sense.  Also, they appear to have skipped Hillbilly vs. Bundy with all the midgets as well.


Jesse said something like, I hope Bundy gives one of these midgets the big kibosh.  My friends and I used to say that all the time.  Also Ueker's line, "Little Beaver just gave Bundy a shot in the boiler."

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Blazer wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Did they skip Hercules vs. Billy Jack?
I've recording it down in the basement and having been going up and down to catch a few seconds...but, just a theory, maybe because of the juice job at the end?

That would make sense.  Also, they appear to have skipped Hillbilly vs. Bundy with all the midgets as well.

Jesse said something like, I hope Bundy gives one of these midgets the big kibosh.  My friends and I used to say that all the time.  Also Ueker's line, "Little Beaver just gave Bundy a shot in the boiler.

Those are funny lines.  If people are offended by that then entertaining commentary is over.  I got distracted for a little while last night going back and forth too.  I don't think they showed any of these matches:
 
Hercules vs. Billy Jack
 
Hillbilly vs. Bundy w/midgets
 
Dream Team vs. Rougeaus
 
Koko vs. Butch Reed
 
 
A 3-hour broadcast missing a third of the card.




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After nearly knocking over Gordon Solie's ashtray, Bugsy McGraw cuts a promo and asks Gordon if he still drinks.  WTF?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXArMO22V_E&list=WL&index=1

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Holy shit!  Anyone have any thoughts on Bill Watts on commentary?  I realize it's hard to understand him with Steve Williams dick and balls in his mouth, but holy shit he's hard for me to take.

Don't get me wrong- he's a hell of a booker and his TV show is better than everyone else's, but I can't stand him on the mic.  

The shit he says to get Williams over is borders on business exposing.  The Russian wrestling team saw Dr. Death working out and went home & pulled out of all international competition.  Dr. Death was the number 1 pick in the USFL draft.  Dr. Death had a very successful season.  He's now setting up a tryout with the Memphis Showboats (or someone), but a week later he's trying out with Denver.  He was a part time player who was cut and didn't catch on.  It looks like he had two career starts.  Why would he be trying out if he was so successful?

He also goes on long winded tangents about people who painted his private plane.  I've mentioned it before how he says the crowd is chanting some shit that they are clearly not chanting.

Am I the only one who finds his so damn annoying.


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Watts on commentary knew his own angles and what he was trying to get over better than anyone, but in doing so he had the tendency to really talk down to the viewer. Now, this is me in 2020 saying this, not some hillbilly Mid-South fan in 1986 that needed their hand held to understand what was happening. But, yeah, he was kind of a pile of shit on commentary looking back on it.

Trying to remember what angle I watched where it was just so over the top awful...might have been the Magnum/Wrestling II feud where he was trying to explain II's side.

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Blazer wrote: Watts on commentary knew his own angles and what he was trying to get over better than anyone, but in doing so he had the tendency to really talk down to the viewer. Now, this is me in 2020 saying this, not some hillbilly Mid-South fan in 1986 that needed their hand held to understand what was happening. But, yeah, he was kind of a pile of shit on commentary looking back on it.

Trying to remember what angle I watched where it was just so over the top awful...might have been the Magnum/Wrestling II feud where he was trying to explain II's side.

That's the angle that's just starting.  II just insulted Poffo in an interview.  

Darsow's just turned heel in the episode I watched today.  And Watts and his anti-Russia comments really take away from the wrestling in my opinion.  I get that he's trying to get us to hate Volkoff, but he just goes on so long about it.  It was the 80s.  We knew we were supposed to hate Russia.  You don't have to convince us.  

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Blazer wrote: Watts on commentary knew his own angles and what he was trying to get over better than anyone, but in doing so he had the tendency to really talk down to the viewer. Now, this is me in 2020 saying this, not some hillbilly Mid-South fan in 1986 that needed their hand held to understand what was happening. But, yeah, he was kind of a pile of shit on commentary looking back on it.

Trying to remember what angle I watched where it was just so over the top awful...might have been the Magnum/Wrestling II feud where he was trying to explain II's side.

That's the angle that's just starting.  II just insulted Poffo in an interview.  

Darsow's just turned heel in the episode I watched today.  And Watts and his anti-Russia comments really take away from the wrestling in my opinion.  I get that he's trying to get us to hate Volkoff, but he just goes on so long about it.  It was the 80s.  We knew we were supposed to hate Russia.  You don't have to convince us.  

The typical wrestling fan in that territory probably busted a nut to that shit. Watts was giving them exactly what they wanted. You can’t critique it in 2020.  

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Blazer wrote: Watts on commentary knew his own angles and what he was trying to get over better than anyone, but in doing so he had the tendency to really talk down to the viewer. Now, this is me in 2020 saying this, not some hillbilly Mid-South fan in 1986 that needed their hand held to understand what was happening. But, yeah, he was kind of a pile of shit on commentary looking back on it.

Trying to remember what angle I watched where it was just so over the top awful...might have been the Magnum/Wrestling II feud where he was trying to explain II's side.

Watts’ angles were actually extremely nuanced for the ‘80s. Look at the typical TV show or movie from the era.  Multiple threads and swerves barely existed. Hillstreet Blues is credited as being the TV show that basically invented that for the mainstream, and if you look at that today it’s simpler than Blue’s Clues now. I think Watts really did need to explain sons of the intricacies of these angles so the fans could get full enjoyment of them, even as simple as the angles seem today. I enjoyed him on commentary. I didn’t like Boesch or Boyd Pierce when they would join him. 

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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Blazer wrote: Watts on commentary knew his own angles and what he was trying to get over better than anyone, but in doing so he had the tendency to really talk down to the viewer. Now, this is me in 2020 saying this, not some hillbilly Mid-South fan in 1986 that needed their hand held to understand what was happening. But, yeah, he was kind of a pile of shit on commentary looking back on it.

Trying to remember what angle I watched where it was just so over the top awful...might have been the Magnum/Wrestling II feud where he was trying to explain II's side.

That's the angle that's just starting.  II just insulted Poffo in an interview.  

Darsow's just turned heel in the episode I watched today.  And Watts and his anti-Russia comments really take away from the wrestling in my opinion.  I get that he's trying to get us to hate Volkoff, but he just goes on so long about it.  It was the 80s.  We knew we were supposed to hate Russia.  You don't have to convince us.  

The typical wrestling fan in that territory probably busted a nut to that shit. Watts was giving them exactly what they wanted. You can’t critique it in 2020.  

I don't think I'm critiquing it through 2020 eyes.  Maybe, but I don't think that's it.  
Patterson and McMahon comment on Koloff's matches without ranting for 10 consecutive minutes about how Russia turned Latvia into a puppet state while ignoring the in-ring action.  Maybe you're right.  Maybe the Okies lord the shit, but I sure hate it.  
I agree with you on Boesch & Pierce.  Boesch was tough to listen to on commentary especially when he's working alone, and Pierce doesn't add anything at all.  He's not bad or annoying he just doesn't add anything.  Watts or Ross would be better off working alone.

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I always enjoyed it when an announcer would be so passionate about their favorites or anti-heros... Watts and the Russians, David Crockett and the Russians/Horsemen, etc. It made it more than just calling holds or telling me where they went to school.. I always they called it like a fan would, really loving the faces and hating the heels

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Here is more from Mid-South.

- Ted DiBiase’s coming heel turn has gotten much more overt without being too obvious. Ted has started wearing a white racquet ball glove on one of his hands. He has explained that his hand is injured and that the bandages become loose due to perspiration during matches. The glove is there to keep the bandages in place. He has medical clearance with Mid-South Wrestling to wear it. This is going to lead to Ted wearing a loaded glove down the line.

- Ted also had an interview in which he sounded really bitter about how he lost the North American Title to Bob Roop, referring to it as a rip off in a tone babyfaces normally don’t use. He demanded a rematch be booked within the next two weeks and he will leave the promotion if he doesn’t get the shot or if he loses the rematch.

- Junkyard Dog got a non-title match with Bob Roop. Akbar’s crew ran in and JYD was going to be the victim of a top rope splash from One Man Gang, but Ted DiBiase ran in to get him out of the way and took the splash instead, sacrificing himself in the words of Bill Watts. This was meant to both align Ted and JYD more closely and to put JYD in line for a title shot to create conflict between them ahead of Ted going heel.

- Ernie Ladd continues to feud with The Assassin who is now forming a regular team with The Grappler. Ladd has used a variety of partners. He recently teamed on TV with Junkyard Dog. The two had a major feud a couple of years earlier, so JYD teaming with him was treated as a big deal. Ladd had gotten involved in saving JYD from Skandor Akbar’s crew in the same match as the DiBiase splash angle. JYD made it clear after the bout that he still didn’t like his former enemy Ladd, but owed him one for the previous save. Now they were even.

- JYD finally got mic time in the body of the show, having previously only spoken during the excised local house show promos, and was really good. The brief Ladd segment aside, his cut a longer interview about the North American Title situation. It was prerecorded rather than done in front of the live crowd and Bill Watts definitely led him through it with key questions and comments, but JYD did a great job and it is understandable that he got over so big.

- Steve Williams has started wrestling professionally. He just completed his NCAA career as an amateur wrestler at Oklahoma, but still had another season of football eligibility remaining due to taking a redshirt season and new NCAA rules stating an athlete can keep eligibility in one sport even if he’s a pro in another. Doctor Death got the superstar treatment from Watts on commentary yet at the same time was still described as a rookie who had a lot to learn. He was green, but showed huge potential, so it’s easy to see why Watts was so excited.

- Iron Mike Sharpe’s push is ebbing. He is a decent worker and has size, but as a white bread babyface is too white bread. He made a much better shouting heel.

- Killer Khan is back after a couple of years away. He had finished up in the WWF at the end of February and I think had gone back to New Japan for a spell before starting here.

- Paul Orndorff is gone. The Samoans have also left the area.

- Bob Roop is still the North American Champion and his mic work as a smarmy heel is outstanding. He’d be soft spoken and polite but blatantly insincere and then would slip into bragging and putting himself over.

- Mr. Olympia remains over as JYD’s partner. He looks great physically by 1982 standards. He’s not Paul Orndorff, but he’s well built and muscular by the standards of the day before steroid use got so rampant in a few years. It is still hard to reconcile that this is Jerry Stubbs.

- Watts has mentioned on commentary that Super Destroyer and Big John Studd were the National Tag Team Champions in Georgia and considered themselves better than any team in Mid-South. This was a set up for them doing a tour in the area to face Mid-South Tag Team Champions Junkyard Dog and Mr. Olympia.

- Black Bart is on hand, still known as Hangman Ricky Harris but otherwise doing the same gimmick.

- Paul Ellering is still around. He’s hurt and not wrestling, so they keep him in the public eye as a babyface by having him do these segments talking about exercise and fitness with him then leading kids from the audience through push ups and sit ups and so on. He’s a terrible babyface. He did this terrible promo talking about how he went to his doctor because he was sick, speaking in a somber tone, then the punchline was his doctor diagnosed him with Pac-Man Fever, which was a hot novelty song at the time. The joke died a cruel death with the fans.

- Jesse Barr and King Cobra are the young up and comers in the undercard, but the level of talent for guys in this role has dipped a bit.

- Dick Murdoch was still doing his crazy ex-marine babyface gimmick. He’s been battling Skandor Akbar’s stable, but his New Japan commitments mean he disappears for weeks at a time and it’s hard to sustain momentum for his feuds.

- Bill Watts is a great commentator. He knows what he wants pushed and knows how to do it. Bill talking about stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling gets under the skin of some people, but I enjoy it. He has a plane and it needed to be repainted. Something went wrong with the paint job and the company that did it thought it only needed to have a particular section redone, but instead found that the entire plane needed to be repainted. They did it at no cost to Watts since the botched paint job was their fault. Watts put them over big time.

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I finished up watching everything I could find from 1983.


I just started watching Central States from 1984.


It's a good show, and well booked, but it lacks star power. They seem to be drawing from areas around the country. Barry Windham won a battle royal. The Youngbloods are teaming and rumors of Steamboat joining have been told. AWA tag champs Blackwell & Patera have been on the cards and National Tag Champs The Road Warriors have taken on Wahoo & Buzz Sawyer. Kerry Von Erich wrestled to stoned that the ref had to help him take his ring jacket off. JYD is also supposed to be coming in. A lot of the show is made up of matches from other areas to showcase the wrestlers coming in.



As far as the lack of star power... Buzz Tyler is the champ. T.G. Stone is wrestling for the belt. Dusty Wolf (no e) is potential rookie of the year. Scott Ferris is a mid carder. Buck Robley is a major face. Ron Ritchie, Ted Oates, and Mike George are terribly bland faces. The Grapplers do add some star power. I've always liked them.


So far I've enjoyed it.

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tamalie wrote:
- Bill Watts is a great commentator. He knows what he wants pushed and knows how to do it. Bill talking about stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling gets under the skin of some people, but I enjoy it. He has a plane and it needed to be repainted. Something went wrong with the paint job and the company that did it thought it only needed to have a particular section redone, but instead found that the entire plane needed to be repainted. They did it at no cost to Watts since the botched paint job was their fault. Watts put them over big time.

Watts once spent a entire segment cutting a promo on someone named "Katzaboulas" in Mississippi. To this day, no one knows whether it was a wrestling angle that was abandoned, someone who had IRL heat with Watts, a code name for the Culkins, or what.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: tamalie wrote:
- Bill Watts is a great commentator. He knows what he wants pushed and knows how to do it. Bill talking about stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling gets under the skin of some people, but I enjoy it. He has a plane and it needed to be repainted. Something went wrong with the paint job and the company that did it thought it only needed to have a particular section redone, but instead found that the entire plane needed to be repainted. They did it at no cost to Watts since the botched paint job was their fault. Watts put them over big time.

Watts once spent a entire segment cutting a promo on someone named "Katzaboulas" in Mississippi. To this day, no one knows whether it was a wrestling angle that was abandoned, someone who had IRL heat with Watts, a code name for the Culkins, or what.

He does that a lot.  Not Katzaboulas necessarily, but he'll talk for 10 minutes straight while ignoring the match talking about someone from his personal life that has nothing to do with wrestling.  He's not playing the fame game, like Jesse Ventura, and claiming to know the Rolling Stones or Jennifer Beals.  Watts will go on an on about Rex Garvis's middle son, who detailed his Cadillac and told about a new type of wax that doesn't leave a film in the Oklahoma heat.  He never mentions where Rex works or the type of wax, so it's not a plug. It's like a senior citizen with dementia going on and on about their childhood friends you've never met.  

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I forgot to add Central States has a fake Tiger Mask. I think I heard it was one of the Nightmares, Ken Wayne or Danny Davis.

Right after saying Dusty Wolf was a contender for rookie of the year he gets a wicked piledriver from Scott Ferris.

The Match I mentioned where Kerry is stoned was a clip from World Class. He staggers to the ring, makes out with a chick at the ring steps, gets in the ring and staggers order to attack Killer Brooks before the bell, but he kind of loses balances during the attempted kick. About a minute into the match he gets a head scissors on Brooks and decides to take off his ring jacket, but can't do it so Bronco Lubbitch has to help. The rest is uneventful and quick.


Other illustrious Central States stars include Bulldog Bob Brown and Crazy Luke Graham. I'm watching them wrestle as I type this. They both are moving in slow motion. Brown is the face but still wrestles like a heel. Oh... TV time expired before the end.

Tommy Rich is on his way, and Harley Race will defend the Missouri title against Wahoo McDaniels in an Indian Strap match.   Bobby Heenan will be Harley's manager.


I'll keep you posted on what's next!!!

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I forgot to add Central States has a fake Tiger Mask. I think I heard it was one of the Nightmares, Ken Wayne or Danny Davis.

Right after saying Dusty Wolf was a contender for rookie of the year he gets a wicked piledriver from Scott Ferris.

The Match I mentioned where Kerry is stoned was a clip from World Class. He staggers to the ring, makes out with a chick at the ring steps, gets in the ring and staggers order to attack Killer Brooks before the bell, but he kind of loses balances during the attempted kick. About a minute into the match he gets a head scissors on Brooks and decides to take off his ring jacket, but can't do it so Bronco Lubbitch has to help. The rest is uneventful and quick.


Other illustrious Central States stars include Bulldog Bob Brown and Crazy Luke Graham. I'm watching them wrestle as I type this. They both are moving in slow motion. Brown is the face but still wrestles like a heel. Oh... TV time expired before the end.

Tommy Rich is on his way, and Harley Race will defend the Missouri title against Wahoo McDaniels in an Indian Strap match.   Bobby Heenan will be Harley's manager.


I'll keep you posted on what's next!!!

The Von Erich vs. Brooks match is gawd awful.  Brooks was jobbing by this point?
Right before the end where Kerry jumps over the rope from the outside onto Brooks's knees looked awkward as fuck. I know it's better if it doesn't look completely fluid and rehearsed for hours but VKM might have run out to ringside and fired him if this were WWE. 
I still don't see what anybody saw in Kerry Von Erich.  Srossi of course is in love with his boner but if his name wasn't Kerry Von Erich he'd have come and gone as fast as similar body types, ala Van Hammer, etc.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I forgot to add Central States has a fake Tiger Mask. I think I heard it was one of the Nightmares, Ken Wayne or Danny Davis.

Right after saying Dusty Wolf was a contender for rookie of the year he gets a wicked piledriver from Scott Ferris.

The Match I mentioned where Kerry is stoned was a clip from World Class. He staggers to the ring, makes out with a chick at the ring steps, gets in the ring and staggers order to attack Killer Brooks before the bell, but he kind of loses balances during the attempted kick. About a minute into the match he gets a head scissors on Brooks and decides to take off his ring jacket, but can't do it so Bronco Lubbitch has to help. The rest is uneventful and quick.


Other illustrious Central States stars include Bulldog Bob Brown and Crazy Luke Graham. I'm watching them wrestle as I type this. They both are moving in slow motion. Brown is the face but still wrestles like a heel. Oh... TV time expired before the end.

Tommy Rich is on his way, and Harley Race will defend the Missouri title against Wahoo McDaniels in an Indian Strap match.   Bobby Heenan will be Harley's manager.


I'll keep you posted on what's next!!!

I feel bad for you that you had to watch both Bob Brown & Luke Graham in the same match, let alone during the same show. I'd rather listen to Vickie Guerrero screech for 24 hours straight then watch either of those 2 in a match.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: I forgot to add Central States has a fake Tiger Mask. I think I heard it was one of the Nightmares, Ken Wayne or Danny Davis.

Right after saying Dusty Wolf was a contender for rookie of the year he gets a wicked piledriver from Scott Ferris.

The Match I mentioned where Kerry is stoned was a clip from World Class. He staggers to the ring, makes out with a chick at the ring steps, gets in the ring and staggers order to attack Killer Brooks before the bell, but he kind of loses balances during the attempted kick. About a minute into the match he gets a head scissors on Brooks and decides to take off his ring jacket, but can't do it so Bronco Lubbitch has to help. The rest is uneventful and quick.


Other illustrious Central States stars include Bulldog Bob Brown and Crazy Luke Graham. I'm watching them wrestle as I type this. They both are moving in slow motion. Brown is the face but still wrestles like a heel. Oh... TV time expired before the end.

Tommy Rich is on his way, and Harley Race will defend the Missouri title against Wahoo McDaniels in an Indian Strap match.   Bobby Heenan will be Harley's manager.


I'll keep you posted on what's next!!!

I feel bad for you that you had to watch both Bob Brown & Luke Graham in the same match, let alone during the same show. I'd rather listen to Vickie Guerrero screech for 24 hours straight then watch either of those 2 in a match.

TV time ran out so it wasn't that bad... until the next episode where they showed the rest of the match.

And odd thing was that Duggan & Reed came over.  They had just feuded in Mid-South, but in Kansas City  Reed is the face and Duggan is the heel.   As I'm typing this I just remembered that KC id Reed's hometown, so it makes more sense.

The show overall is odd because they use so much outside talent and outside TV footage.  The main event of their next card is Jimmy Garvin vs. Chris Adams.  If Adams wins Sunshine get 5 minutes with Precious.  None of these 4 have wrestled on TV in Central States.  Garvin & Adams both did promos from WCCW that aired.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: tamalie wrote:
- Bill Watts is a great commentator. He knows what he wants pushed and knows how to do it. Bill talking about stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling gets under the skin of some people, but I enjoy it. He has a plane and it needed to be repainted. Something went wrong with the paint job and the company that did it thought it only needed to have a particular section redone, but instead found that the entire plane needed to be repainted. They did it at no cost to Watts since the botched paint job was their fault. Watts put them over big time.

Watts once spent a entire segment cutting a promo on someone named "Katzaboulas" in Mississippi. To this day, no one knows whether it was a wrestling angle that was abandoned, someone who had IRL heat with Watts, a code name for the Culkins, or what.

He does that a lot.  Not Katzaboulas necessarily, but he'll talk for 10 minutes straight while ignoring the match talking about someone from his personal life that has nothing to do with wrestling.  He's not playing the fame game, like Jesse Ventura, and claiming to know the Rolling Stones or Jennifer Beals.  Watts will go on an on about Rex Garvis's middle son, who detailed his Cadillac and told about a new type of wax that doesn't leave a film in the Oklahoma heat.  He never mentions where Rex works or the type of wax, so it's not a plug. It's like a senior citizen with dementia going on and on about their childhood friends you've never met.  


C. Katsaboulas, known as Kats, was a real guy and a well known businessman in Jackson, MS for many years. He screwed Bill Watts on a deal somehow. I don't know if he pulled out of something they'd agreed to, didn't come up with money as promised or what. Whatever happened, he made Watts really angry and the Cowboy used the bully pulpit of a regionally televised wrestling show to get the boots in on the guy. Watts had a heel jobber at the time, Carlos Zapata, who apparently looked like Katsaboulas, so it gave Watts an excuse to bring it up every time the guy wrestled.

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The Watts on commentary talk is cracking me up laughing. I'm making my way through Mid-South 1983 on the network.

Also up to summer 1997 for Nitro.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNW9Ofn31M


Anyone know who Studd's manager is in this clip?

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNW9Ofn31M


Anyone know who Studd's manager is in this clip?

Larry Sharpe?

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It's not Sharpe. I don't know who he is though.

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It's Dr. Jerry Graham Jr. from the WWA in Indianapolis. Vince brought him in for that first or second Kiel and Chase tapings as Mad Dog Mangoff (spelling might be off). Graham was a manager/wrestler in the WWA, but mostly a manager for Great Wojo. He teamed with Bulldog Don Kent also.

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Thanks. I have seen Graham before but did not recognize him there.

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Looks like a Heenan rip off.

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The WWF's St. Louis tapings were really strange and almost existed in some respects as a separate promotion from what was happening on the syndicated shows.

- Mad Dog Managoff was at the first set of tapings, but then never appeared again.

- From the first St. Louis taping on 12/27/83 until late March of 1984, Adrian Adonis and Duck Murdoch only appeared at St. Louis tapings and house shows.

- Mil Mascaras only appeared at St. Louis tapings and the California house show tours from 12/27/83 until 6/16/84 when he finally hit the main circuit.

- Big John Studd had been an ever present in the WWF since early 1983. Apart from one or two exceptions, effective the 12/27/83 St. Louis taping, Studd then only worked at St. Louis tapings, the Allentown and Hamburg tapings, and the California house shows until 6/13/84 when he was put back on the road again.

- The Moondogs returned at the 2/10/84 Kiel Auditorium TV taping. They didn't appear anywhere else but St. Louis until going to the last Allentown taping on 6/19/84, after which they hit the road on the main house show circuit.

- From 12/27/83 until 7/20/83 Spike Huber was used primarily at the St. Louis tapings. He wasn't pushed hard, but also wasn't treated like a jobber. He was given wins and competitive losses, forming a team with Brian Blair for a while. Other than that city, he worked a Chicago house show and several house shows in Ohio, nowhere else.

- For some reason, St. Louis got the famous Piper's Pit coconut angle and Piper vs. Snuka a couple of months before the rest of the country.

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Has anyone watched any of the Memphis TV that's on Amazon Prime at the moment?

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Kriss wrote: Has anyone watched any of the Memphis TV that's on Amazon Prime at the moment?
Wasn't aware that it was on Amazon Prime.  What period of Memphis?

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Has anyone watched any of the Memphis TV that's on Amazon Prime at the moment?
Wasn't aware that it was on Amazon Prime.  What period of Memphis?


Late 80s to early 90s. Just search for USWA.

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Is the Memphis stuff on Amazon Prime complete episodes and in chronological order or is it just compilations without context?

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tamalie wrote: Is the Memphis stuff on Amazon Prime complete episodes and in chronological order or is it just compilations without context?

Seems to be full episodes. But I think you'd have to do a little work if you want to watch it in order. Much easier to go to Amazon and search USWA to get an answer. You can do that even without a sub.

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Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: Is the Memphis stuff on Amazon Prime complete episodes and in chronological order or is it just compilations without context?

Seems to be full episodes. But I think you'd have to do a little work if you want to watch it in order. Much easier to go to Amazon and search USWA to get an answer. You can do that even without a sub.

Full episodes from the Evansville feed. It's a combination Memphis/Dallas USWA show, jumping between the Sportatorium and the Memphis studio. VQ is tape trader quality (no commercials, but occasional station IDs/weather bulletins), no idea how Amazon wound up with these.

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I agree Buddy. Given the description, it is hard to see how whoever got these shows on Amazon Prime has the legal rights to the footage. Then again, the question of who actually has the rights is difficult to answer. Still, you'd think Amazon would want proof before putting it on its service.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: Is the Memphis stuff on Amazon Prime complete episodes and in chronological order or is it just compilations without context?

Seems to be full episodes. But I think you'd have to do a little work if you want to watch it in order. Much easier to go to Amazon and search USWA to get an answer. You can do that even without a sub.

Full episodes from the Evansville feed. It's a combination Memphis/Dallas USWA show, jumping between the Sportatorium and the Memphis studio. VQ is tape trader quality (no commercials, but occasional station IDs/weather bulletins), no idea how Amazon wound up with these.

pwinsider listed it all today:

Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 1 - Bill Dundee, Jerry Lawler, the Blade Runners and more.
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 2
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 3
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 4
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 5
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 6
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 7
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 8
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 9
Best Of Memphis Wrestling 1986 Vol 10
CWA Memphis Wrestling 2 Complete TV Episodes 1986 Vol 5
CWA Memphis Wrestling 2 Complete TV Episodes 1986 Vol 10
CWA Memphis Wrestling 2 Complete TV Episodes 1986 Vol 14
CWA Memphis Wrestling 2 Complete TV Episodes 1986 Vol 16
CWA Memphis Wrestling 2 Complete TV Episodes 1987 Vol 1
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 1
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 2
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 3
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 4
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 5
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 6
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 7
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 8
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 9
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 10
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 11
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 12
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 13
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 14
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1990 Vol 15
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1991 Vol 1
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1991 Vol 2
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Volume 1
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 2
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 3
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 4
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 5
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 6
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 7
Best Of USWA Memphis Wrestling 1992 Vol 8

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I didn't want to start a new thread, and I did watch this during the quarantine so it applies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFjBfieIjhU&list=WL&index=24&t=0s


Leaping Lanny talks about what a bad human being Bam Bam Bigelow was. He doesn't really go into detail much, and it's one man's opinion, but he says everyone found him to be despicable. He says something like even the degenerates felt he was a lowlife.


I've never heard any opinions on him one way or the other, so I was curious if anyone knew any stories or if this is just Lanny having a grudge.

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I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.

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Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

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If you're not a Jerry Lawler fan, watching Memphis would be tough. Apart from him being all over TV and the main angles, once the promotion lost a ton of talent in the late 1980s, he was featured even more because he was the one true superstar the promotion had.

I like Southeastern. We got it on local TV from the fall of 1986 until around this time in 1987, by which time it had evolved into Continental. Then it was on the now long defunct cable channel FNN/Score for a few months in 1988. This was another promotion that had a lot of homesteading guys. The Armstrongs, the Fullers, Jimmy Golden, Jerry Stubbs/Mr. Olympia, and some others laid down roots, so if you didn't like them or liked them but wanted to see some new names more often, it could get old. However, the booking was always really good.

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I'm watching wrestling from 1984.
That is the year that my town got TBS & was my first look at the NWA.  I grew up in AWA country, and of course we got WWF on USA and WOR.   These Georgia shows hold a special place in my memories.

Brad Armstrong beating a stunned DiBiase when he unmasks MR. R to find out it's not Tommy Rich.

Ellering & the Road Warriors painting Jay Youngblood.

Bundy chasing the Roadies after his face turn.

Tim Horner shocking the world and pinning Hawk.
Seeing the NWA belt defended for the first time & Ric Flair too.  It was vs. jobbers, but still cool.
Ole goading Ellering into signing a contract without looking at it.  Two out of three falls- Roadies with Ellering handcuffed in the Roadies corner vs. Idol & Lawler with Bundy cuffed in their corner.  Winner of the first fall gets to unlock their partner and continue 3 against 2. 

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Just discovered a bunch of Georgia stuff from '84 on Youtube myself. What a revelation.

Was that taped in the old TBS Techwood studio?

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I know I'm a little late in the game for this, but I did one of those free trials and have been watching Chikara- just love it!! Great fun with loads of audience participation- WWE could learn a few things from them!!

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Blazer wrote: Just discovered a bunch of Georgia stuff from '84 on Youtube myself. What a revelation.

Was that taped in the old TBS Techwood studio?


It depends on when it's from. 

The stuff from early in the year until Black Saturday was taped at the WTBS studio. The WWF got the 6:05 PM slot on Saturday nights by buying Georgia Championship Wrestling. Ole Anderson was the managing partner, but didn't have the majority of the shares. The Briscos and other small shareholders sold their stock and the WWF owned GCW, getting the TV timeslot with it, starting on 7/14/84. This switch was sudden to fans, but the fight had gone on in the background for a couple of months.

Knocked out of Georgia Championship Wrestling, Ole then started Championship Wrestling from Georgia, hiring most of the wrestlers and behind the scenes people. A TV taping was held at WMAZ-13, the CBS affiliate in Macon, on 7/21/84. My understanding is these tapings created a one hour show that was syndicated to stations in Macon, Albany, and Columbus, GA with a UHF station in Atlanta also airing the program. Another taping was held in Macon on 8/18/84 and I am pretty sure there was also one on 8/4/84 with each taping creating two weeks of TV. 

After getting an avalanche of complaint phone calls and letters over the NWA to WWF switch on Saturday nights, the CWG group was given a Saturday morning slot effective 8/4/84 at 7:35 AM for one hour, moving after a few weeks 9:05 AM. I believe this show debuted three weeks after Black Saturday. It was important for running the northern tours to get back on the Superstation. The show was all stuff from JCP TV at first with, I think, some of the Macon stuff included as well. The first taping at the WTBS studio occurred on 9/5/84, airing on 9/8/84. The studio had a slightly different look to it than before the WWF takeover, but was the same place. 

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I should add that stuff from all three Georgia wrestling taping phases are on YouTube; WTBS before the WWF takeover, the Macon stuff, and the WTBS stuff after with a new interview set and some other slight production changes.

Ted Turner eventually forced the WWF to tape at the WTBS studios, with that finally happening in March of 1985 for about 4 or 5 weeks ahead of WM1, after which the WWF sold the timeslot to JCP which at the same time effectively absorbed CWG. The interview set with the monitor and white painted podium and backdrop that the WWF had used that month were then used by JCP.

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Yeah, so the episode I watched the other night was labeled May of '84. It included Ellering doing the step-up challenge through the show, Gordon was the host, King Kongy Bundy signed a contract to wrestle a very cowardly Jake Roberts, Brad Armstrong seemed to be getting a big push and was feuding with DiBiase, and Ole was in sort of a commissioner role at the mic with Gordon, explaining angles. The commercials for the tour dates talked about Ole's last match.

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Ole took a much more active role on TV when it came to doing match commentary, getting into other people's angles, and setting up matches from 1983 to 1985. I think he was fashioning himself in the way Bill Watts did. Watts was retired, but would come back to wrestle now and then. He did commentary and interviews, to the point of hardly letting Boyd Pierce speak other than to introduce things, and was big on getting stuff over exactly the way he wanted them to be perceived by fans. The one difference was Watts always deferred to Grizzly Smith as matchmaker when it came to setting up bouts. After the GCW to CWG switch, and especially after Ted DiBiase and Jake Roberts quit due to the falling payouts, Ole Anderson took a much bigger role as a wrestler than he likely anticipated in mid 1984 when he was pulling back.

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Blazer wrote: Just discovered a bunch of Georgia stuff from '84 on Youtube myself. What a revelation.

Was that taped in the old TBS Techwood studio?

'84 would have been at Techwood, yes.

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tamalie wrote: Ole took a much more active role on TV when it came to doing match commentary, getting into other people's angles, and setting up matches from 1983 to 1985. I think he was fashioning himself in the way Bill Watts did. Watts was retired, but would come back to wrestle now and then. He did commentary and interviews, to the point of hardly letting Boyd Pierce speak other than to introduce things, and was big on getting stuff over exactly the way he wanted them to be perceived by fans. The one difference was Watts always deferred to Grizzly Smith as matchmaker when it came to setting up bouts. After the GCW to CWG switch, and especially after Ted DiBiase and Jake Roberts quit due to the falling payouts, Ole Anderson took a much bigger role as a wrestler than he likely anticipated in mid 1984 when he was pulling back.
Ole has said numerous times that Bill Watts was one of his most favorite people in the business. 

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chrob61 wrote: I know I'm a little late in the game for this, but I did one of those free trials and have been watching Chikara- just love it!! Great fun with loads of audience participation- WWE could learn a few things from them!!
I loved Chikara. A great combination of comedy and good wrestling, I maybe wouldn't go back to the very beginning, but definitely going back to when they started recording in HD. I loved the angle when they closed down the promotion. Unfortunately, when they came back, they seemed to slash their budget, and in recent years, they haven't been booking any names on their cards, and there's a little bit of an overload of masked gimmicks from the wrestling school.

But back in the day, fantastic. From the top of my head, I can highly recommend the Johnny Saint matches with Quack and Colt Cabana, and Eddie Kingston's as the Grand Champion, with great matches against Kevin Steen, El Generico, Sara Del Ray and others. The King of Trios tournaments are always good fun as well.

I have always had some weird inkling that there is something freaky-deaky going on in the background of Chikara, though. They do a great job of keeping masked identities secret. It's still not "official" that Drew Gulak was Soldier and and Orange Cassidy was Fire Ant. Three guys from the first training class in 2002, Ultramantis Black, Hallowicked and Icarus have been with Chikara for 18 years now. They rarely work other promotions, and even though they are talented, have never had any kind of run with anything resembling a bigger group. Almost unheard of in the last 20 years for a talented wrestler not to even have a cup of coffee with ROH, Impact, MLW or whatever.

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Kriss wrote: chrob61 wrote: I know I'm a little late in the game for this, but I did one of those free trials and have been watching Chikara- just love it!! Great fun with loads of audience participation- WWE could learn a few things from them!!
I loved Chikara. A great combination of comedy and good wrestling, I maybe wouldn't go back to the very beginning, but definitely going back to when they started recording in HD. I loved the angle when they closed down the promotion. Unfortunately, when they came back, they seemed to slash their budget, and in recent years, they haven't been booking any names on their cards, and there's a little bit of an overload of masked gimmicks from the wrestling school.

But back in the day, fantastic. From the top of my head, I can highly recommend the Johnny Saint matches with Quack and Colt Cabana, and Eddie Kingston's as the Grand Champion, with great matches against Kevin Steen, El Generico, Sara Del Ray and others. The King of Trios tournaments are always good fun as well.

I have always had some weird inkling that there is something freaky-deaky going on in the background of Chikara, though. They do a great job of keeping masked identities secret. It's still not "official" that Drew Gulak was Soldier and and Orange Cassidy was Fire Ant. Three guys from the first training class in 2002, Ultramantis Black, Hallowicked and Icarus have been with Chikara for 18 years now. They rarely work other promotions, and even though they are talented, have never had any kind of run with anything resembling a bigger group. Almost unheard of in the last 20 years for a talented wrestler not to even have a cup of coffee with ROH, Impact, MLW or whatever.

Have you checked out any Brodie Lee yet from, CHIKARA? I know he had a big feud with Claudio Castsgnoli.

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tamalie wrote: Blazer wrote: Just discovered a bunch of Georgia stuff from '84 on Youtube myself. What a revelation.

Was that taped in the old TBS Techwood studio?


It depends on when it's from. 

The stuff from early in the year until Black Saturday was taped at the WTBS studio. The WWF got the 6:05 PM slot on Saturday nights by buying Georgia Championship Wrestling. Ole Anderson was the managing partner, but didn't have the majority of the shares. The Briscos and other small shareholders sold their stock and the WWF owned GCW, getting the TV timeslot with it, starting on 7/14/84. This switch was sudden to fans, but the fight had gone on in the background for a couple of months.

Knocked out of Georgia Championship Wrestling, Ole then started Championship Wrestling from Georgia, hiring most of the wrestlers and behind the scenes people. A TV taping was held at WMAZ-13, the CBS affiliate in Macon, on 7/21/84. My understanding is these tapings created a one hour show that was syndicated to stations in Macon, Albany, and Columbus, GA with a UHF station in Atlanta also airing the program. Another taping was held in Macon on 8/18/84 and I am pretty sure there was also one on 8/4/84 with each taping creating two weeks of TV. 

After getting an avalanche of complaint phone calls and letters over the NWA to WWF switch on Saturday nights, the CWG group was given a Saturday morning slot effective 8/4/84 at 7:35 AM for one hour, moving after a few weeks 9:05 AM. I believe this show debuted three weeks after Black Saturday. It was important for running the northern tours to get back on the Superstation. The show was all stuff from JCP TV at first with, I think, some of the Macon stuff included as well. The first taping at the WTBS studio occurred on 9/5/84, airing on 9/8/84. The studio had a slightly different look to it than before the WWF takeover, but was the same place. 

The first few CWG shows on TBS that aired matches from JCP arenas were taped on a set at the Crockett offices in Charlotte.

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In April of 84 during Mr. WII's turn on Magnum he starts going by Mr. Wrestling and brings in a protege called Mr. Wrestling II. Who is the new Mr. WII? It looks like it could be Hercules Hernandez.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: In April of 84 during Mr. WII's turn on Magnum he starts going by Mr. Wrestling and brings in a protege called Mr. Wrestling II. Who is the new Mr. WII? It looks like it could be Hercules Hernandez.
It is Hercules Hernandez.

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Here is more from my chronological journey through Mid-South Wrestling.

- Ted DiBiase turned heel and was terrific in the role. Upset over the way he lost the North American Title to Bob Roop, Ted has been complaining about being ripped off in a very similar manner to how Bret Hart complained about getting screwed in early 1997 in the build to his heel turn and match with Austin at WM13. Ted had said if didn’t get a North American Title shot or if he got the shot but didn’t win, he’d leave Mid-South. Bill Watts explained on TV that matchmaker Grizzly Smith wasn’t one to bend to ultimatums, but given how Ted lost the title and his importance as a star in the promotion, Ted would get his match. However, by the time the match day arrived, Bob Roop, who was in the process of finishing up here, had lost the title to Junkyard Dog. JYD defended against Ted in what was to have been an all babyface matchup, but Ted loaded up that supposedly protective glove and won the title in a dirty manner from JYD.

- The week after the match, when Ted came to work a squash, Bill Watts on commentary put over that no one was quite sure where Ted’s head was at, leaving the door open for the possibility that Ted was still the same guy and he’d just made a poor decision when he felt his back was against the wall due to his pledge to leave Mid-South and then finding himself against JYD instead of Roop. However, Ted loaded his glove to win the match, the glove now being black instead of grey as before, and it became very clear where he stood. Ted cemented his turn on the mic by declaring that being a nice guy had gotten him screwed and from then on he’d be looking out for himself only.

- Junkyard Dog was the unquestionable top babyface. He won his matches convincingly, was not pinned cleanly when he lost, and was treated like an absolute superstar by the fans. He gave up the Louisiana Title due to winning the North American Title, but then lost the North American Title right away. He and Mr. Olympia remain the Mid-South Tag Team Champions. JYD cut an amazing promo in the aftermath of Ted DiBiase cheating to win the North American Title. JYD very seriously talked about what it was like to have such a close friend turn on him, but that the next time they got in the ring together, JYD would know exactly who he was dealing with and would be ready for whatever Ted threw at him.

- Steve Williams had a few matches on TV as a highly touted rookie. Bill Watts clearly believed this guy would not just be a future star, but would be a flagship wrestler in the promotion. Williams had used up his amateur wrestling eligibility at Oklahoma, but due to taking a redshirt year still had his senior year coming up on the Oklahoma football team. Doc has already departed to prepare for the football season with the Sooners. Williams had some pro potential and played in the USFL for the New Jersey Generals for a season, but would soon be back fulltime.

- Buck Robley is back and is getting a midcard babyface push. Robley isn’t a big favorite of many fans in hindsight and to me seems like a guy you had to experience in the moment in the territory. Many territories back then had at least one older wrestler who wasn’t in tip top shape anymore and who maybe was balding, but who the longtime fans loved and respected as a tough guy and a goofy character who could put the heels in their place. Buck fit that spot and was feuding with Skandor Akbar’s crew.

- Ernie Ladd has vanished from TV and is on the way out. He was in his 40s by this point and his knees were shot. He’d wrestle on and off into early 1985 before finally calling it quits.

- Dick Murdoch continues to be in and out due to his New Japan tours and work in other areas. Based on what Dave Meltzer stated his New Japan pay was at the time, Murdoch was making about $125,000 per year from those tours and that was with his lodging, airfare, and ground transportation taken care of as well as him getting a meal per diem. Whatever he made in the States was on top of that. He’s still over big as a babyface with his ex marine gimmick. Akbar’s crew of One Man Gang and Killer Khan are his biggest enemies, but he and Ted DiBiase had a very good TV match. Akbar was on commentary and even though Ted was a heel, he still derisively called him “DiBusey”.

- Killer Khan held the Louisiana Title briefly. He’d won the belt at a house show tournament after JYD vacated the title due to winning the North American Title. He lost that title to Iron Mike Sharpe with whom he then feuded with over the belt.

- Iron Mike Sharpe at one point seemed to be getting phased down, but then his push ramped up. He feuded with Killer Khan and began using the piledriver as a finishing move, twice using it on Skandor Akbar which really put the Khan feud into overdrive. Sharpe isn’t especially charismatic as a babyface, but he has size, is decent in the ring, and comes off as likeable.

- The Assassin is still around. However, he is getting phased down and per match results will be gone soon. He is not officially part of Akbar’s Army, but regularly teams with and associated with them. He often teamed with The Grappler until recently, but The Grappler has quietly disappeared.

- Mr. Wrestling II came in initially for a couple of guest appearances and now is in the area on a full time basis. It looks like he’s going to feud with Hacksaw Jim Duggan who has returned to stay after previously making a one shot appearance. Duggan is Ted DiBiase’s tag team partner. He has a lot of the goofy mannerisms he’d use later as a babyface but in this case they’re meant to portray him as a heel who is dangerous and a bit unstable. His finisher is a spear, but not in the way that Bill Goldberg and Edge used it. Duggan uses it in a football style by launching himself through the air headfirst at his foe.

- A lot of guys are on the way out or have left. By taking a peek at the results for the next few months to come, new talent is about to come in. I don’t know this for sure, but believe the changeover of talent occurred due to Ernie Ladd leaving the booking spot and Buck Robley taking over.

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Ted Dibiase was awesome. I think Ted could have been NWA Champ. He could play heel and babyface great. Really good talker. Great wrestler. Could he draw as a traveling champion? Don't know for sure but they could have given him a shot if Flair wasn't around.

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One thing to add to the Mid-South recap is they brought Kevin Von Erich in to Shreveport for a TV taping because he was going to do a weekend of matches on the road coming up. This was the summer of 1982. Looking at Kevin then in comparison to how he looked by the summer of 1987, he physically aged a decade or more in that five year gap.

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Spatulapup wrote: Ted Dibiase was awesome. I think Ted could have been NWA Champ. He could play heel and babyface great. Really good talker. Great wrestler. Could he draw as a traveling champion? Don't know for sure but they could have given him a shot if Flair wasn't around.
Well, Teddy wrestled in St. louis a lot and was known nationally from the magazines and from being on WTBS for parts of 1980-1983. He would've had to travel to Charlotte & Florida a few times to get over, but I really wouldn't see that as a problem for him.

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Started the 1984 World Wide set last night.

Man, TV and the house shows are all over the place on this, but it has a fun feel.

Greg Valentine kinda just turned face because Slater and Orton attacked him before a match that was supposed to involve Piper. I think Piper and Valentine both are gone to WWF not long after this. Slater is Mid-Atlantic champ and then defeats Valentine for the US title.

Ricky Steamboat is retiring, so the tag belts are vacant. Here's why it gets kooky. Orton and Slater are teaming on tv, but Orton and Kernoodle will be in the NWA tag tournament. Wahoo and Dory Funk are on tv teaming, but Wahoo and Angelo Mosca will be in the tournament. Ivan Koloff and Kernoodle are teaming on tv, but as mentioned, Kernoodle will team with Orton. They also mention the Von Erichs might come in to be in the tournament.

Angelo Mosca Jr sucks.

It's interesting that around the same time, Piper, Valentine and Orton all went to the WWF, but Vince didn't take Slater (or didn't show interest, or perhaps Slater didn't want to go). Slater looked good in this era though.

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Also, holy shit, the 1984 Mid-Atlantic belt looks worse than the one I made out of cardboard paper and electrical tape when I was in grade school.

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Were the guys in the Badstreet Band anyone famous? They look familiar- but also like every generic hair metal band wannabe.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Were the guys in the Badstreet Band anyone famous? They look familiar- but also like every generic hair metal band wannabe.
Larry Velez and Jimmy Papa. There was a documentary made about the song in 2014, but it doesn't look like it was ever shown after one screening in Dallas.


https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/back-on-badstreet-filmmakers-reflect-on-the-song-that-made-wrestling-rock-7088200


https://www.pwinsider.com/article/87533/badstreet-usa-the-documentary-update-on-wwe-lawsuit-over-badstreet-other-theme-songs.html

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I found a pretty good play list of Southwest Championship. There are about 40 TV episodes and they are a little scattered and range from 79 to 85.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3tBcLGiYu3HYijLwklbiFpfaKFuMJzDV

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? 

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Spatulapup wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? 


Bill and Buddy could be funny at times but I can’t stand Dundee in the ring. 

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Franchise wrote: Spatulapup wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Spatulapup wrote: I have never been able to get into Memphis wrestling. Maybe it's too much Jerry Lawler who I have never been a fan of or maybe it's too southern. I don't like The Pensacola territory either. Too much Armstrongs , Fullers.. Both look bad on tv too.
Agreed on all accounts.  I enjoy Memphis a more, but I can't get into Lawler or Dundee, and the heels are often hit or miss.  I like the Bruise Brothers, but all the other incarnations of Troy Graham pretty much suck.  Dirty Dutch and Dundee go back and forth from Lawler's friend to his enemy too often, and Dundee as a 4'7" brawler is too unbelievable for me.  

The Lawler vs. Bockwinkel series is great, but Lance Russell continually claiming that Lawler pinned Bockwinkel "right in the middle of the ring" when both of Nick's knees, not feet-knees, are over the bottom rope annoys the fuck out of me.  They work so hard to make Lawler invincible vs. Harley and Bockwinkel and those guys sell like jobbers for him, but I don't enjoy the booking.  Harley & Nick look foolish and incompetent.

I'm not sure if I've watched Pensacola, but I agree too much Bob Armstrong & too much of the Fullers to make a territory horseshit.  I've posted about that a few times.  If you watch enough of it it turns into a revolving door of heel & face turns.  Either someone is turning on Bob or Bob is turning on someone.  If it's not that then the Fuller's are turning on each other or they are turning on Bob to join each other.  The rest of the crew is too bland for me.  Jimmy Golden & Jerry Stubbs aren't the least bit interesting even when they are turning heel and face for the millionth time, and the announcer sucks balls.

I can't stand anything that involves Bill Dundee. is anyone a fan of this guy? o


Bill and Buddy could be funny at times but I can’t stand Dundee in the ring. 


Just for the record, I like Les Thatcher when he announces later on, but the guys announcing Southwest in 83 and 84 are tough to take.



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