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The thing in Minneapolis may be the most egregious one yet. When you think the police can't possibly sink any lower, they never disappoint. Plus, there was the second police shooting in a week in Hayward, CA. So with the riots in Minneapolis, COVID-19 insanity, record unemployment, a possible second wave of da virus, are we done as a human race? I say absolutely not. People in the 21st Century are A1 pussies. The riots in Minneapolis are not in protest of a murdered man, they to steal some free shit. We as a people are no longer made of sterner stuff. Therefore, the elite will crush us under their boot.

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The death of George Floyd was appalling. Seeing the footage definitely made me wonder how often this happens when no one is around to record and spread the footage as well as when the cop lays off and the victim survives. The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.

There were two phases to what happened. There has been legitimate protesting and demonstrating. The damage to the third police precinct building, whether one approves or disapproves of such action, can be put into that context. However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for. The guy wheeling three flat screen TVs out of Target and the people who took all the display phones at the AT&T wireless store (the non display phones were locked up too well to be taken) certainly weren't seeking justice for anyone.

There were people who treated the whole thing like a party and took the opportunity to burn buildings and smash windows because it was a riot and that's what people do at these things. Being lost in a massive crowd makes it easier for people to do things they would not do if they were out alone.

There is a pretty big anarchist/punk type faction in the Twin Cities. I didn't have to see much footage to see them out in force, striking against the capitalist machine or whatever. The Autozone fire seems to have stemmed from one of its members.

For that matter, there is absolutely a good sized white supremacist faction around here too and I saw a report of at least one instance of someone who appeared to be part of this group doing Charlottesville type high speed drive throughs in a pickup with no plates. There have been charges, minus verifiable information, of this ilk infiltrating the crowds to stir things up.

That someone could drive through the riot zone was in no small part due to the Minneapolis Police Department completely losing any semblance of control. They didn't even bother to close the roads on Lake Street and the cross street feeders for a long time after things completely went nuts. From what I can tell, they were so improperly and unevenly deployed that entire securable areas were surrendered to people bent on destroying them long after this ceased to be a protest about a cop killing a man who'd been cuffed and seemed to be no real threat.

I would love to know how many of the people who destroyed the Target, Aldi, and Cub Foods (large local supermarket chain) actually live and work in that neighborhood which has a range of very poor to working class to lower middle class people. A lot of jobs were jeopardized and now a great amount of people have no full service supermarket to shop at in a convenient location.

There will be more rioting tonight, although the amount is uncertain. It will also spill out of the initial riot zone. There have been some incidents on and off today and last I checked there was a shopping center in St. Paul that seemed on the brink of things going over the edge. The sad part is now so many people are using George Floyd for their own purposes. Al Sharpton came to town! Floyd is a symbol, but his plight is getting overlooked by people with other concerns but who won't admit it.

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tamalie wrote: The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.
This is incredibly optimistic in the face of 99% of previous examples. 

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I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.

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tamalie wrote: The death of George Floyd was appalling. Seeing the footage definitely made me wonder how often this happens when no one is around to record and spread the footage as well as when the cop lays off and the victim survives. The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.

There were two phases to what happened. There has been legitimate protesting and demonstrating. The damage to the third police precinct building, whether one approves or disapproves of such action, can be put into that context. However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for. The guy wheeling three flat screen TVs out of Target and the people who took all the display phones at the AT&T wireless store (the non display phones were locked up too well to be taken) certainly weren't seeking justice for anyone.

There were people who treated the whole thing like a party and took the opportunity to burn buildings and smash windows because it was a riot and that's what people do at these things. Being lost in a massive crowd makes it easier for people to do things they would not do if they were out alone.

There is a pretty big anarchist/punk type faction in the Twin Cities. I didn't have to see much footage to see them out in force, striking against the capitalist machine or whatever. The Autozone fire seems to have stemmed from one of its members.

For that matter, there is absolutely a good sized white supremacist faction around here too and I saw a report of at least one instance of someone who appeared to be part of this group doing Charlottesville type high speed drive throughs in a pickup with no plates. There have been charges, minus verifiable information, of this ilk infiltrating the crowds to stir things up.

That someone could drive through the riot zone was in no small part due to the Minneapolis Police Department completely losing any semblance of control. They didn't even bother to close the roads on Lake Street and the cross street feeders for a long time after things completely went nuts. From what I can tell, they were so improperly and unevenly deployed that entire securable areas were surrendered to people bent on destroying them long after this ceased to be a protest about a cop killing a man who'd been cuffed and seemed to be no real threat.

I would love to know how many of the people who destroyed the Target, Aldi, and Cub Foods (large local supermarket chain) actually live and work in that neighborhood which has a range of very poor to working class to lower middle class people. A lot of jobs were jeopardized and now a great amount of people have no full service supermarket to shop at in a convenient location.

There will be more rioting tonight, although the amount is uncertain. It will also spill out of the initial riot zone. There have been some incidents on and off today and last I checked there was a shopping center in St. Paul that seemed on the brink of things going over the edge. The sad part is now so many people are using George Floyd for their own purposes. Al Sharpton came to town! Floyd is a symbol, but his plight is getting overlooked by people with other concerns but who won't admit it.

Took the family up to Minneapolis last summer and took the Blue Line downtown from the airport.  I happened to Google the locations of the parties last night, and that Target was right off the Blue Line.  I kinda remember that stop on the ride downtown and when we went out to the Mall of America.  How were things in downtown proper?  Was most of this nonsense happening about ten minutes from the city?

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tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
I’ll believe it when I see it, but I certainly hope you’re right. For the first time that I can remember, in addition to the counter-productive looting, there was an actual strike on a police dept. and I understand that it’s in ruins. So that was fantastic so far. 

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tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
Agreed. Anyone with a working set of eyes and any common sense can see what happened. 

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How truly sad! Some of you here still support this guy :(
https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/28/colin-kaepernick-tweet-violence-protests-fight-back-george-floyd-killing/

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stingmark wrote: How truly sad! Some of you here still support this guy :(
https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/28/colin-kaepernick-tweet-violence-protests-fight-back-george-floyd-killing/

Yeah, a football player's tweets are the sad part.  Don't ever change.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
Agreed. Anyone with a working set of eyes and any common sense can see what happened.

Here's the thing.  The severity or obviousness of the crime doesn't really matter.  I've given this a lot of thought and the fact is that the police truly in their hearts don't believe in an unjustified killing, and believe that if the possibility of one is even put out into the universe that their chances of going home at night are somehow diminished.  You can't argue logic with that cultish mentality.  So the unions fight these to the last breath, and the cops get the best lawyers money can buy.  In the meantime, the prosecutors know that they're  in deep shit if they get on the wrong side of the cops because they have a parasitic relationship with each other, so they're not trying too hard and in some cases are blatantly throwing it.  This makes everything that the public is seeing and doing completely irrelevant.  It's not just finding 12 people willing to send a cop to jail, which is hard enough, it's also dealing with a systemic problem that makes sure that reality is not reality in their sheltered world.  If anyone is even willing to indict, they'll find a way to go somewhere where the jury doesn't know about this case and make sure that the video and his past record isn't allowed into evidence, and then it's over.  It's just a black guy who shoplifted in high school once which meant that he was probably a serial killer too who resisted arrest and an officer feared for his life.  And everyone else will wonder what happened.  Again.  And the prosecutors, the judge, the DAs office, and the police union will all go the bar that they always hang out in together and toast to the status quo.  The cop that did this won't be there, he's fired and no one really gives a shit about what happens to him either.  It's all about keeping the system going the way it's been going for decades.  And then the super liberal mayor and governor and whoever else is in power will go on TV and feign shock and dismay, but mostly they will preach calm and tolerance for a justice system that is flawed but works really well most of the time.  Fast forward a few years and one of those super liberal politicians will run for a higher office, and with a tear in his eye he will swear that if you elect him, what happened under his watch will never happen under his watch again. And the police union will mercilessly boo him as they donate several million dollars to his campaign. And he will win, and the story will have a happy ending, and that politician will probably call his shoe shine boy “George” in honor of this fallen hero, or maybe just because all black people look alike to him.  And that is America, one nation under God, and don't you know that Trump just tweeted about a carrier pigeon that delivered indisputable proof that Obama is half lizard?  Where are your priorities?!  Why are you not paying attention to the important stuff?!

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And you either Rossi

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stingmark wrote: And you either RossiWOW!!! You completely dismantled Rossi here. You took every single one of his points and CRUSHED them unmercifully. After a virtual beating like that I don't think you'll be seeing much of Rossi around here again. I wish I could craft such a clever shutdown of a guy who is so very wrong on all his counts. Your response was meticulous, well researched, witty, and devastating all at once.

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Seven people shot by the pigs last night in Louisville. This one was over the murder of Breonna Taylor in I'm sure what was called a righteous kill. I might be wrong. Maybe it IS going down.

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tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 

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The Minnesota police has arrested a black journalist reporting live on CNN, as well as his crew, all while cameras kept rolling.  They even confiscated the camera that was still transmitting. The reporter was remarkably calm as he basically reported his own arrest.  To say this is an affront to the first amendment would be the understatement of the century.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4ed08403663fa4ed3518221d0f2a1552?fbclid=IwAR2fXSXi8Gx04jq4Qdlt7TP4KJHIMRORuyz3AAcykFdCJZ6WoDbYaO_jDpw

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It took about 90 minutes for the president of CNN to contact the governor of Minnesota, who orchestrated The crew's release. The state patrol issued a statement saying the release happened after seeing their press credentials, but CNN as already labeled that statement as inaccurate, as Omar Jimenez, the journalist, was showing his credentials live on the air.

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One Fan Gang wrote: It took about 90 minutes for the president of CNN to contact the governor of Minnesota, who orchestrated The crew's release. The state patrol issued a statement saying the release happened after seeing their press credentials, but CNN as already labeled that statement as inaccurate, as Omar Jimenez, the journalist, was showing his credentials live on the air.
So the cops involved have been arrested for kidnapping and their terminations are imminent, right? 

People still actually say stuff like, "Why would the cops lie?  Why would they want the extra paperwork?  Why would they want to go through the trouble of harassing someone doing absolutely nothing wrong?"  And then you see them doing all of the above and more ON LIVE TV WITH A CAMERA POINTED AT THEIR FACE WHEN THEY KNOW THEY ARE BEING SEEN BY MILLIONS.  What chance does anyone have of not being summarily executed by these people when they do this kind of thing?  They lie and kill for the sake of lying and killing.  Even most sociopaths have motives stronger than that.

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Back on the air reporting on his arrest. So ridiculously professional and so far and above how any normal person would react. Can you imagine if a cop had been treated like this? There would thousands of bodies piled up.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/29/omar-jimenez-released-minnesota-protests-newday-vpx.cnn

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The crazies are out already saying this was staged by evil CNN. I'd love to know how that worked exactly. Are they in cahoots with the cops?

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KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

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The Minnesota State Police in the Twin Cities area are effectively a highway patrol, giving tickets, getting involved with accidents, and so on. There are instances when they get involved with other aspects of law enforcement and they often act as backup to small town/county police and sheriff's departments. However, riot control isn't their forte. The same goes for the National Guard, which has had 500 soldiers called up and deployed. This isn't their primary function. The result was out of their depth state troopers going way too far and arresting a CNN crew for no logical reason. I suspect there will be some sort of incident with the media or suspected rioters and looters this weekend and either state troopers or National Guardsmen because there will be guys doing jobs they're not really trained for and, more likely in the case of the soldiers, guys from rural areas with limited to no interaction with minorities will do something dumb and uncalled for when confronted with the citizens of the areas they're policing.

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tamalie wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people.  There's no getting around that fact.  Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings.  I just can't keep lying to myself anymore.  We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked.  It's time to conclude that it will never work.  Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people.  I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences.  A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association.  Let people self-segregate and learn from the results. 

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For those that think this doesn't actually happen, St. Paul police officer Jacob "Jake" Peterson has been identified as a "rioter" who was breaking windows and inciting violence on 3 different occasions (including at Target) before police then swooped in. He has been positively identified in several videos, and his ex-fiance was contacted and confirmed his identity and claimed she recognized his gloves and gas mask (which she says is actually her gas mask that he stole) in a series of text messages. The police have of course denied this is him.

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tamalie wrote: The result was out of their depth state troopers going way too far and arresting a CNN crew for no logical reason.And possibly having had to deal with things way beyond their capabilities for the previous few hours.  At some point all logical thinking goes out of the window and groupthink takes over.  Especially if a subordinate is frightened to challenge a commanding officer.
Doesn't speak well of training or deployment by top brass though. 

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kargol wrote: tamalie wrote: The result was out of their depth state troopers going way too far and arresting a CNN crew for no logical reason.And possibly having had to deal with things way beyond their capabilities for the previous few hours.  At some point all logical thinking goes out of the window and groupthink takes over.  Especially if a subordinate is frightened to challenge a commanding officer.
Doesn't speak well of training or deployment by top brass though. 

The CNN reporter said that the arresting officers made no apologies and could offer no reason for the arrest, saying they were "only following orders" like a good Nazi.  It makes you wonder who ordered it and why, but clearly this had nothing to do with not seeing press credentials.

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The cop who knelt on Floyd's was finally arrested. The other cops have not been.  At this point it seems like he was almost arrested for his own safety more than actual justice.  His house had been surrounded for 3 days, food delivery was being scared away by protesters or refusing to serve him when they found out who he was, and the state was wasting resources protecting his house when they had other places to be.  So this is not exactly any kind of victory yet.  It will be a long, long road to get an indictment and then a conviction.  

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I get what you mean about protecting the guy and conserving resources instead of posting an army outside his house. The neighbors might also have a shot at things quieting down on that street. However, I don't think he'd have been arrested unless the County Attorney's office felt it had charges that would stick in a trial and/or would encourage a plea bargain that the government and the general public would accept if not be enthusiastic about. If you bring him in now on bunk charges and the case falls apart, it makes arresting him later and getting a conviction or plea bargain much more difficult. On the government side, among those who are leading the case, careers are on the line. Blow this and the chance for future career advancement and possibly retaining career advancement made to date becomes extremely difficult. They should be careful about how this is handled and I assume that's what's happening.

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tamalie wrote: I get what you mean about protecting the guy and conserving resources instead of posting an army outside his house. The neighbors might also have a shot at things quieting down on that street. However, I don't think he'd have been arrested unless the County Attorney's office felt it had charges that would stick in a trial and/or would encourage a plea bargain that the government and the general public would accept if not be enthusiastic about. If you bring him in now on bunk charges and the case falls apart, it makes arresting him later and getting a conviction or plea bargain much more difficult. On the government side, among those who are leading the case, careers are on the line. Blow this and the chance for future career advancement and possibly retaining career advancement made to date becomes extremely difficult. They should be careful about how this is handled and I assume that's what's happening.
I think the bottom line is that he was going to be killed, and they needed to get him out of there.  Him being murdered would probably cause Trump to do something even more drastic than he already threatened to do on Twitter, and the whole state would fall under martial law.  Now that he's in custody, they hope things can quiet down while they regroup and try to figure out how to get out of this.  The one thing the cops always have on their side is time.  A certain segment of the population won't forget, but many will.  If riots erupt again, they will be less severe and a greater number of people will have the attitude of "Enough already, didn't we already do this?'  But yes, they still need to handle this very carefully. 

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KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people.  There's no getting around that fact.  Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings.  I just can't keep lying to myself anymore.  We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked.  It's time to conclude that it will never work.  Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people.  I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences.  A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association.  Let people self-segregate and learn from the results. 

Generations? It's only been about 50 years of supposed racial equality in America. Not sure where you're getting generations from when millions can still remember the days of segregation.

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silentkiller wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people.  There's no getting around that fact.  Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings.  I just can't keep lying to myself anymore.  We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked.  It's time to conclude that it will never work.  Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people.  I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences.  A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association.  Let people self-segregate and learn from the results. 

Generations? It's only been about 50 years of supposed racial equality in America. Not sure where you're getting generations from when millions can still remember the days of segregation.

Yeah, it is amazing that we’re only about 150 years removed from slavery, followed by a disastrous Reconstruction period that in many ways was worse than slavery, and only about 50 years past segregation. When you’re under 50, it might as well be a million years ago, but many still remember those days well, and have grandparents who were slaves. 

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These guys can be my union brothers anytime.

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So as more frightening information is revealed, it seems that the cop Derek Chauvin and Floyd may have known each other. The owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club revealed that Chauvin was the off-duty police officer she used for security for 15 years, and amazingly Floyd was also a security guard she frequently employed. She confirmed the two worked a least several events together, although she couldn't confirm any interactions that they had. Chavin would typically work the exterior and Floyd would work inside the club.  However it certainly opens up the possibility that this was an excuse for a premeditated murder based on a prior beef. 

The owner also shed light on Chauvin's work at the club:

"He sometimes had a real short fuse and he seemed afraid.  When there was an altercation he always resorted to pulling out his mace and pepper spraying everybody right away, even if I felt it was unwarranted"

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The charges are 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.

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srossi wrote: The charges are 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.This will get plead down to 21 days on a work farm. I am not kidding either. This guy will do no serious time whatsoever. Plus a good lawyer will get Officer Derek his full pension and lifetime medical. Again, I'm not kidding.

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The mayor of a town in Mississippi claims that Floyd must’ve OD’d on drugs because if he could say he couldn’t breathe that means he could breathe. Lol

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/if-you-say-you-cant-breathe-youre-breathing-mississippi-mayor-defends-officers-involved-in-george-floyds-arrest/?fbclid=IwAR27qEDcQBuMMkg9vWywJwd6G0d5YHsfhHutJT3se1pv5yGo0sXw-o51nfk

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srossi wrote: The mayor of a town in Mississippi claims that Floyd must’ve OD’d on drugs because if he could say he couldn’t breathe that means he could breathe. Lol

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Damn where is his neck

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Now I'm not sure how much truth is in this but it's quite the conspiracy theory. People are saying that the Auto Zone that was burned down was done by a cop. An agent provocateur if you will. Google Officer Jacob Pederson.

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WongLee wrote: Now I'm not sure how much truth is in this but it's quite the conspiracy theory. People are saying that the Auto Zone that was burned down by a cop. An agent provocateur if you will. Google Officer Jacob Pederson.
I already posted all about that above. His ex-fiancé gave him up. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Now I'm not sure how much truth is in this but it's quite the conspiracy theory. People are saying that the Auto Zone that was burned down by a cop. An agent provocateur if you will. Google Officer Jacob Pederson.
I already posted all about that above. His ex-fiancé gave him up.
Fuck you Rossi. If you did it was on the second page and my world moves too fast to go back to that.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Now I'm not sure how much truth is in this but it's quite the conspiracy theory. People are saying that the Auto Zone that was burned down by a cop. An agent provocateur if you will. Google Officer Jacob Pederson.
I already posted all about that above. His ex-fiancé gave him up.
Fuck you Rossi. If you did it was on the second page and my world moves too fast to go back to that.

Can’t we all just get along?

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Our esteemed super liberal mayor who the cops claim has "declared war" on them. This is who you liberal douchebags think will solve the problem.

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srossi wrote: So as more frightening information is revealed, it seems that the cop Derek Chauvin and Floyd may have known each other. The owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club revealed that Chauvin was the off-duty police officer she used for security for 15 years, and amazingly Floyd was also a security guard she frequently employed. She confirmed the two worked a least several events together, although she couldn't confirm any interactions that they had. Chavin would typically work the exterior and Floyd would work inside the club.  However it certainly opens up the possibility that this was an excuse for a premeditated murder based on a prior beef. 

The owner also shed light on Chauvin's work at the club:

"He sometimes had a real short fuse and he seemed afraid.  When there was an altercation he always resorted to pulling out his mace and pepper spraying everybody right away, even if I felt it was unwarranted"


Kevin Nash is with me so now I’m sure I’m right:

“I don't care if anyone follows me. Just wanted to point out how fucked up this situation is. George worked with the murderer for years while George did  security. This points to premeditated murder.”

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To get back to wrestling, almost EVERYONE in WWE has been extremely vocal about this situation, which is rare because few other than Sami Zayn ever tweet about anything remotely political. As a perfect example, Randy Orton has said that this incident made him realize for the first time that until #BlackLiveMatter, all lives can’t matter. Anyone who has followed Orton on social media knows that’s a pretty huge statement coming from him. Almost everyone on the roster has also tweeted. JBL of all people, yes JBL, retweeted a video of a black man begging people to stop calling the cops on them for nothing because it risks their lives, with the comment “Wow. Powerful.” Vince can’t be happy right now.

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srossi wrote: To get back to wrestling, almost EVERYONE in WWE has been extremely vocal about this situation, which is rare because few other than Sami Zayn ever tweet about anything remotely political. As a perfect example, Randy Orton has said that this incident made him realize for the first time that until #BlackLiveMatter, all lives can’t matter. Anyone who has followed Orton on social media knows that’s a pretty huge statement coming from him. Almost everyone on the roster has also tweeted. JBL of all people, yes JBL, retweeted a video of a black man begging people to stop calling the cops on them for nothing because it risks their lives, with the comment “Wow. Powerful.” Vince can’t be happy right now.Ahhh...JBL was just pissed that he couldn't get the black guy in the shower stall. I wonder what George Tragos, Everett Marshall, Wilbur Snyder, and Gordo Chihuahua would have posted.

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: So as more frightening information is revealed, it seems that the cop Derek Chauvin and Floyd may have known each other. The owner of El Nuevo Rodeo club revealed that Chauvin was the off-duty police officer she used for security for 15 years, and amazingly Floyd was also a security guard she frequently employed. She confirmed the two worked a least several events together, although she couldn't confirm any interactions that they had. Chavin would typically work the exterior and Floyd would work inside the club.  However it certainly opens up the possibility that this was an excuse for a premeditated murder based on a prior beef. 

The owner also shed light on Chauvin's work at the club:

"He sometimes had a real short fuse and he seemed afraid.  When there was an altercation he always resorted to pulling out his mace and pepper spraying everybody right away, even if I felt it was unwarranted"


Kevin Nash is with me so now I’m sure I’m right:

“I don't care if anyone follows me. Just wanted to point out how fucked up this situation is. George worked with the murderer for years while George did  security. This points to premeditated murder.”
As long as you're not in a position to take his spot, Nash seems like a really level headed guy.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: To get back to wrestling, almost EVERYONE in WWE has been extremely vocal about this situation, which is rare because few other than Sami Zayn ever tweet about anything remotely political. As a perfect example, Randy Orton has said that this incident made him realize for the first time that until #BlackLiveMatter, all lives can’t matter. Anyone who has followed Orton on social media knows that’s a pretty huge statement coming from him. Almost everyone on the roster has also tweeted. JBL of all people, yes JBL, retweeted a video of a black man begging people to stop calling the cops on them for nothing because it risks their lives, with the comment “Wow. Powerful.” Vince can’t be happy right now.Ahhh...JBL was just pissed that he couldn't get the black guy in the shower stall. I wonder what George Tragos, Everett Marshall, Wilbur Snyder, and Gordo Chihuahua would have posted.

Don’t be so cynical. I hear even Killer Karl Kox’s korpse thinks the cops went too far this time. 

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: The charges are 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.This will get plead down to 21 days on a work farm. I am not kidding either. This guy will do no serious time whatsoever. Plus a good lawyer will get Officer Derek his full pension and lifetime medical. Again, I'm not kidding.Yep. Saw this coming the second it was announced that the Coroners Office had already conducted an autopsy and basically said their officers werent at fault.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: To get back to wrestling, almost EVERYONE in WWE has been extremely vocal about this situation, which is rare because few other than Sami Zayn ever tweet about anything remotely political. As a perfect example, Randy Orton has said that this incident made him realize for the first time that until #BlackLiveMatter, all lives can’t matter. Anyone who has followed Orton on social media knows that’s a pretty huge statement coming from him. Almost everyone on the roster has also tweeted. JBL of all people, yes JBL, retweeted a video of a black man begging people to stop calling the cops on them for nothing because it risks their lives, with the comment “Wow. Powerful.” Vince can’t be happy right now.Ahhh...JBL was just pissed that he couldn't get the black guy in the shower stall. I wonder what George Tragos, Everett Marshall, Wilbur Snyder, and Gordo Chihuahua would have posted.

What a foolish question - Gordo Chihuahua would have made his whole gimmick around being an advocate against fat shaming. Like, duuuh

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Chauvin’s wife has now filed for divorce. Fuck her too. She stuck with him for years while he was doing other shit like this. Now she’s scared.

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srossi wrote: The mayor of a town in Mississippi claims that Floyd must’ve OD’d on drugs because if he could say he couldn’t breathe that means he could breathe. Lol

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/if-you-say-you-cant-breathe-youre-breathing-mississippi-mayor-defends-officers-involved-in-george-floyds-arrest/?fbclid=IwAR27qEDcQBuMMkg9vWywJwd6G0d5YHsfhHutJT3se1pv5yGo0sXw-o51nfk

After that autopsy report, it's obvious this will become the official narrative.  The family is going to get an independent coroner to make his own report, which will no doubt contradict the state's official report, but the fight is already lost.  Business as usual.

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I’m not even gonna lie. I might masturbate to this footage on repeat all weekend. This pig just got knocked the fuck out for being an ass and illegally destroying a phone that was recording him.

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srossi wrote: silentkiller wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people.  There's no getting around that fact.  Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings.  I just can't keep lying to myself anymore.  We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked.  It's time to conclude that it will never work.  Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people.  I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences.  A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association.  Let people self-segregate and learn from the results. 

Generations? It's only been about 50 years of supposed racial equality in America. Not sure where you're getting generations from when millions can still remember the days of segregation.

Yeah, it is amazing that we’re only about 150 years removed from slavery, followed by a disastrous Reconstruction period that in many ways was worse than slavery, and only about 50 years past segregation. When you’re under 50, it might as well be a million years ago, but many still remember those days well, and have grandparents who were slaves. 
Many have grandparents who were slaves?  Come on.  Are there blacks in their 80s and 90s who may have had grandparents who were children at emancipation?  A few perhaps, but let's not torture the connections to make them seem more numerous than they really are.  And even where such people still do exist, so what?  Seriously, what does that have to do with the average rioter in the streets today?  Not a thing. 

We're three generations into the post-1964 era and the default reaction of the black community to perceived affronts continues to be rioting and looting. And it doesn't matter the historical antecedents, either.  There are 125,000 Somalis that live in Minneapolis.  The city was 93% white in 1970; by 2000 it was 63%. What historical grievances are they protesting?  When were the people of Minneapolis asked if they were willing to absorb such a significant change to their lifestyle and culture?  Does anyone think that in 1970, the average Lutheran Swede looked around his hometown and said, "you know what we need here?  More black people."  No votes were taken, instead the government teamed up with Lutheran, Catholic, and NGO charities to undertake a massive replacement program.  The results?  A reading of crime statistics in Minneapolis shows that, despite being a minority, the percentages of violent crimes committed by its more vibrant denizens is overwhelming.  Noticing these facts can't remain a forbidden subject any longer.  Are there calls to discuss race relations today?  Great.  Let's have that conversation.  Let's lay everything on the table. 

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: silentkiller wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: KGB wrote: tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 


I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.

When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people.  There's no getting around that fact.  Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings.  I just can't keep lying to myself anymore.  We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked.  It's time to conclude that it will never work.  Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people.  I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences.  A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association.  Let people self-segregate and learn from the results. 

Generations? It's only been about 50 years of supposed racial equality in America. Not sure where you're getting generations from when millions can still remember the days of segregation.

Yeah, it is amazing that we’re only about 150 years removed from slavery, followed by a disastrous Reconstruction period that in many ways was worse than slavery, and only about 50 years past segregation. When you’re under 50, it might as well be a million years ago, but many still remember those days well, and have grandparents who were slaves. 
Many have grandparents who were slaves?  Come on.  Are there blacks in their 80s and 90s who may have had grandparents who were children at emancipation?  A few perhaps, but let's not torture the connections to make them seem more numerous than they really are.  And even where such people still do exist, so what?  Seriously, what does that have to do with the average rioter in the streets today?  Not a thing. 

We're three generations into the post-1964 era and the default reaction of the black community to perceived affronts continues to be rioting and looting. And it doesn't matter the historical antecedents, either.  There are 125,000 Somalis that live in Minneapolis.  The city was 93% white in 1970; by 2000 it was 63%. What historical grievances are they protesting?  When were the people of Minneapolis asked if they were willing to absorb such a significant change to their lifestyle and culture?  Does anyone think that in 1970, the average Lutheran Swede looked around his hometown and said, "you know what we need here?  More black people."  No votes were taken, instead the government teamed up with Lutheran, Catholic, and NGO charities to undertake a massive replacement program.  The results?  A reading of crime statistics in Minneapolis shows that, despite being a minority, the percentages of violent crimes committed by its more vibrant denizens is overwhelming.  Noticing these facts can't remain a forbidden subject any longer.  Are there calls to discuss race relations today?  Great.  Let's have that conversation.  Let's lay everything on the table. 

That’s a ridiculously long post made in response to a simple statement about the passage of time. I’m not sure what your point was in any of that, nor do you seem to understand my point, since I really didn’t have one (even though you seemed to try to extrapolate 30 or 40). I’m not sure why some people are so defensive of the fact that these things happened in the past. 

Let me put it to you in non-black terms so that maybe you can comprehend the passage of time without your racism defenses up. John Tyler was our 10th President and was born in 1790. He has 2 living grandchildren. It’s a bit of an extreme case given he had 15 children and some were born when he was very old, but people had lots of kids at very old ages back then. If a black person was born into slavery 70 years after John Tyler was born (another whole generation) then yes, they easily could have grandchildren alive today. Because that’s how time works when something only ended 150 years ago. Understand?  I’m pointing out an interesting fact, not making a political statement that undermines your delicate view of American exceptionalism. 

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That’s a ridiculously long post made in response to a simple statement about the passage of time. I’m not sure what your point was in any of that, nor do you seem to understand my point, since I really didn’t have one (even though you seemed to try to extrapolate 30 or 40). I’m not sure why some people are so defensive of the fact that these things happened in the past. 

Let me put it to you in non-black terms so that maybe you can comprehend the passage of time without your racism defenses up. John Tyler was our 10th President and was born in 1790. He has 2 living grandchildren. It’s a bit of an extreme case given he had 15 children and some were born when he was very old, but people had lots of kids at very old ages back then. If a black person was born into slavery 70 years after John Tyler was born (another whole generation) then yes, they easily could have grandchildren alive today. Because that’s how time works when something only ended 150 years ago. Understand?  I’m pointing out an interesting fact, not making a political statement that undermines your delicate view of American exceptionalism.

 The bulk of what I wrote was not in response to your point about grandchildren of slaves.  And I think it was fairly clear that I understand such people are still alive.

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote:

That’s a ridiculously long post made in response to a simple statement about the passage of time. I’m not sure what your point was in any of that, nor do you seem to understand my point, since I really didn’t have one (even though you seemed to try to extrapolate 30 or 40). I’m not sure why some people are so defensive of the fact that these things happened in the past. 

Let me put it to you in non-black terms so that maybe you can comprehend the passage of time without your racism defenses up. John Tyler was our 10th President and was born in 1790. He has 2 living grandchildren. It’s a bit of an extreme case given he had 15 children and some were born when he was very old, but people had lots of kids at very old ages back then. If a black person was born into slavery 70 years after John Tyler was born (another whole generation) then yes, they easily could have grandchildren alive today. Because that’s how time works when something only ended 150 years ago. Understand?  I’m pointing out an interesting fact, not making a political statement that undermines your delicate view of American exceptionalism.

 The bulk of what I wrote was not in response to your point about grandchildren of slaves.  And I think it was fairly clear that I understand such people are still alive.

You started your post by apparently questioning it, then followed up by seeming to take umbrage with the fact that I mentioned it at all. Like I said, the ulterior motives you seem to be assigning to my simple statement with regards to protesters are mostly in your head. 

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Seeing reports that everyone arrested last night in Minnesota was from out of state.

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Franchise wrote: Seeing reports that everyone arrested last night in Minnesota was from out of state.https://www.fox9.com/news/jail-records-show-most-arrested-in-minneapolis-riots-have-minnesota-addresses
Don’t think that’s true..

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I wonder why the governor is pushing that 80% outsider number then ?

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Franchise wrote: I wonder why the governor is pushing that 80% outsider number then ?You know why..and now that he’s been called on it he’s walked it back..

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Protests have come to NY where Brooklyn is going crazy right now. We’ll see how bad it gets. 2 sisters from the Catskills threw a Molotov cocktail at a police van. I hope all violence is focused on the police and their property, but we know how this can go.

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It's even here in Long Island. There was a peaceful protest in Brentwood today. Brentwood is Ground Zero for MS-13. However, it went without a hitch. I keep getting notices on my Facebook Newsfeed that the shit is going down tonight in West Babylon, Babylon, and Lindenhurst which is totally laughable. With the slight exception of West Babylon these are lily white suburban strongholds for fat white racists.

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I’d like some guidance on social distancing during a riot. Has anyone asked Dr. Fauci about this?

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srossi wrote: I’d like some guidance on social distancing during a riot. Has anyone asked Dr. Fauci about this?

I’m waiting for someone to say this was all a plan to infect a large group of people with the Covi. 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I’d like some guidance on social distancing during a riot. Has anyone asked Dr. Fauci about this?

I’m waiting for someone to say this was all a plan to infect a large group of people with the Covi.

On a serious note, social distancing is completely out the window now and unenforceable.  So in 2 weeks do we see an uptick in cases?  And if not, can we just re-open everything as proof that it's time to move on.  Because we have thousands in the streets now and no one is thinking about Covid anymore, so keeping barbers closed seems so May 29.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I’d like some guidance on social distancing during a riot. Has anyone asked Dr. Fauci about this?

I’m waiting for someone to say this was all a plan to infect a large group of people with the Covi.

On a serious note, social distancing is completely out the window now and unenforceable.  So in 2 weeks do we see an uptick in cases?  And if not, can we just re-open everything as proof that it's time to move on.  Because we have thousands in the streets now and no one is thinking about Covid anymore, so keeping barbers closed seems so May 29.

Stacked on top all of those who gathered over Memorial Day weekend 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I’d like some guidance on social distancing during a riot. Has anyone asked Dr. Fauci about this?

I’m waiting for someone to say this was all a plan to infect a large group of people with the Covi.

On a serious note, social distancing is completely out the window now and unenforceable.  So in 2 weeks do we see an uptick in cases?  And if not, can we just re-open everything as proof that it's time to move on.  Because we have thousands in the streets now and no one is thinking about Covid anymore, so keeping barbers closed seems so May 29.

Stacked on top all of those who gathered over Memorial Day weekend 

It’s actually a serious question. I am very interested to see what things look on June 15 as far as new infections. I really don’t know. 

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The police marching down a quiet residential street screaming “Light em up!” as they shoot at homeowners sitting on their porch. Not a protester in sight. This is right out of a third world despotic country.

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?s=21

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That video certainly is weird


After this I don’t see why anyone would ever want to have a storefront in a big city.


On the flip side though; collected video from all of these events is going to keep just about every lawyer nationwide busy for years. I can only imagine the amount of arrests and warrants that will be forth coming.

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Anyone else see the article about the person accidentally lighting themselves on fire in North Carolina while trying to burn a building down?

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Actor John Cusack was assaulted by the cops with batons for peaceably filming the cops during the protests, which time and time again has been ruled as legal by every court.

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What were they doing during the filming before they attacked him?

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Franchise wrote: What were they doing during the filming before they attacked him?
He didn’t say. I don’t think they were doing anything, they just hate being filmed. 

In the video I shared earlier where the cop gets punched the fuck out after throwing someone’s phone, they weren’t doing anything either except holding back crowds. But when they see a camera, they freak out because they know they think be able to get away with something (which is a joke because they still usually do). 

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Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

Yep. These racist thugs are the only police we have, so we better just accept it.....

There's no easy answer to this very difficult problem. Even if you could replace every cop with a saint, you couldn't do it overnight.

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srossi wrote: Actor John Cusack was assaulted by the cops with batons for peaceably filming the cops during the protests, which time and time again has been ruled as legal by every court.Well there's at least one police action I can get 100% behind.

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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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Yep. These racist thugs are the only police we have, so we better just accept it.....

There's no easy answer to this very difficult problem. Even if you could replace every cop with a saint, you couldn't do it overnight.


I’m not saying we have to accept anything I’m asking some questions because I feel like we are in a real weird place right now in America. 

We have politicians on the left that want to disarm the population

We have police forces across the nation that have been having some real issues for a long time. 

We are seeing the rise of Karen / SJW culture that bombard law enforcement with complaints. 

How many lives have been ruined because of this? I wasn't kidding earlier In this thread people are going to be tracked down and arrested for committing these crimes. You Can’t obtain employment in certain fields with a felony on your record.  Not every business destroyed will be blessed with an overflowing go fund me to rescue it.

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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD? 

I agree with those general statements. Getting paid, you knew what the deal was when you signed up so on an so on but what I was asking was if a cop was going to be second guessed every step of the way and they chose to turn in C+ effort instead of A- effort would anyone be able to tell the difference and could that lead to discipline? Do people sue for slow response time?  

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.

Amen. I don’t know if that answers the questions, but people always act like cops are forced to serve at gunpoint and do it for free. They’re making a choice, and although they don’t get paid millions the incentives compared to any other normal blue collar job are astronomical. Keep your head down and do your job and retire in 20 years while the rest of us are working until 70. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

Floyd was being arrested because someone called 911 over him using a bad $20 or something like that if I remember correctly. Do we get to a point where the operator disregards the call due to lack of worthiness? 

Watch Live PD or cops and watch the officers rushing to a scene To jump out to confront someone. Maybe if they didn’t rush they would be able to think more clearly and make better decisions. 

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Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits. 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

Floyd was being arrested because someone called 911 over him using a bad $20 or something like that if I remember correctly. Do we get to a point where the operator disregards the call due to lack of worthiness? 

Watch Live PD or cops and watch the officers rushing to a scene To jump out to confront someone. Maybe if they didn’t rush they would be able to think more clearly and make better decisions. 

Is it an emergency call?  Clearly not. Do I particularly care if the cops respond to that?  Not really. Here’s the thing. Security had already detained the guy. It was already over before the cops showed up. Their job at that point was literally to read him his rights and process him for for a crime in which, even if guilty, wouldn’t have likely resulted in jail time. If you’re scared of that guy, who is going to be walking free alongside you on the street in another 3 hours anyway, then why not just randomly attack everyone you ever see?  They chose to completely and totally turn it into a fiasco. 4 cops shouldn’t have even been there for a non-violent crime where the suspect is already detained. I mean fuck, if private security had the authority he’d just call an Uber and take him to be processed himself without incident. 

Maybe we need another number other than 911. 911 is supposed to be for emergencies. But if you’ve detained a guy and need the cops, I understand you don’t know who else to call do you call 911. And then they come running guns blazing. I don’t blame the person who called 911 this time. I’d do the same in this situation because I’m not the professional and I just want someone to take him off my hands quickly. But I do blame people for abusing 911 in many other situations they turn violent when 911 never should’ve been called. 

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If everything was that cut and dry I wonder why they would dispatch so many for something so insignificant?

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Franchise wrote: If everything was that cut and dry I wonder why they would dispatch so many for something so insignificant?
Why are SWAT Teams sent to do no-knock raids at 3am for a suspected case of growing weed when 2 officers can knock on the door at 3pm with a search warrant?  Because they’re always fearing for their lives. Which is more likely, the cops getting accidentally shot storming into a house that may of may not be the correct one without identifying themselves, or the cops politely announcing their intentions?  How many people are really willing to kill cops unprovoked and get the death sentence or life in prison?  But they think 100% of even low-level criminals want to kill them all, even though few are ever killed in the line of duty. Will a cop ever stumble into a really bad situation even while investigating a minor crime?  Of course! But that’s the job, and statistically they’ll be safer than they are right now if they don’t escalate. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits.
Yep...but topping out at 116k in four short years. Free medical, free pension, unlimited overtime. Sometimes I think I should have took that in 1979 when I was called instead of working for the phone company.

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Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits.
Yep...but topping out at 116k in four short years. Free medical, free pension, unlimited overtime. Sometimes I think I should have took that in 1979 when I was called instead of working for the phone company.

Tripling their pay in 4 years? That’s incredible 

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Franchise wrote: Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

It’s not really up for a vote. People will tell you to vote for leaders who care about these issues, but absolutely none are going to do anything about it on either side of the aisle. Thus the frustration and the occasional riots, which really are more rare than they should be considering how often this stuff happens. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

It’s not really up for a vote. People will tell you to vote for leaders who care about these issues, but absolutely none are going to do anything about it on either side of the aisle. Thus the frustration and the occasional riots, which really are more rare than they should be considering how often this stuff happens.
That's because there is no side of the aisle. They all work for the same thing. Themselves and their agendas is all that matters. True public servants went out after World War II.

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Trump is on the case. He’s about to designate ANTIFA a domestic terrorist group because this is all their fault.  I’ll give him this, Trump is very consistent with his imaginary boogeymen and can shoehorn them into any situation. 

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khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction and loves animals.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

It’s not really up for a vote. People will tell you to vote for leaders who care about these issues, but absolutely none are going to do anything about it on either side of the aisle. Thus the frustration and the occasional riots, which really are more rare than they should be considering how often this stuff happens. 

It is up for a vote when you are voting for your local and state officials. Interest groups and concerned citizens helped promote these laws under the guise of public protection. 

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khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?
Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.

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Kriss wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?
Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.


Well the difference is people do actually claim it 

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WongLee wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction and loves animals.

His name is Obama and if you loved America you would know that. 

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Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.


Well the difference is people do actually claim it 


You can support or claim to be anything. They're not like ISIS, the IRA or whatever with clear leadership and hierarchy. Antifa has as much structure as the IWC.

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

It’s not really up for a vote. People will tell you to vote for leaders who care about these issues, but absolutely none are going to do anything about it on either side of the aisle. Thus the frustration and the occasional riots, which really are more rare than they should be considering how often this stuff happens. 

It is up for a vote when you are voting for your local and state officials. Interest groups and concerned citizens helped promote these laws under the guise of public protection. 

Like I said, good luck with that. That will never go anywhere, even if you vote in all the “right” people. I also want to point out that individual and human rights aren’t up for a vote. We have this romantic notion of democracy and majority rule. If you put most things up to a vote, you’d get fascism.  The masses love being controlled themselves, and love controlling people they don’t like even more.  The majority never would’ve voted to end slavery, for example. We have constitutional rights that are not debatable, even if 99.9% of the population wants to take them away. 

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WongLee wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction...

You are very much wrong there. He even received the derivative nickname "Böhmischer Gefreite" = "Bohemian Private" . I believe there was even a Hindenburg quote like "the Bohemian Private wants to be chancellor? Never! He might become the secretary of the postal service!"
No clue if those was just rumors. But, that was what his detractors said back then.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.

It’s not really up for a vote. People will tell you to vote for leaders who care about these issues, but absolutely none are going to do anything about it on either side of the aisle. Thus the frustration and the occasional riots, which really are more rare than they should be considering how often this stuff happens. 

It is up for a vote when you are voting for your local and state officials. Interest groups and concerned citizens helped promote these laws under the guise of public protection. 

Like I said, good luck with that. That will never go anywhere, even if you vote in all the “right” people. I also want to point out that individual and human rights aren’t up for a vote. We have this romantic notion of democracy and majority rule. If you put most things up to a vote, you’d get fascism.  The masses love being controlled themselves, and love controlling people they don’t like even more.  The majority never would’ve voted to end slavery, for example. We have constitutional rights that are not debatable, even if 99.9% of the population wants to take them away. 



You are right about that, some people want to give it all back and I don’t understand it. 

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indikator wrote: WongLee wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction...

You are very much wrong there. He even received the derivative nickname "Böhmischer Gefreite" = "Bohemian Private" . I believe there was even a Hindenburg quote like "the Bohemian Private wants to be chancellor? Never! He might become the secretary of the postal service!"
No clue if those was just rumors. But, that was what his detractors said back then.
Well I can't believe I've been reduced to standing up for Hitler but I'm a firm believer that history should be told correctly. He received two commendations for bravery. He was in the Battle of Ypres and the Battle of the Somme. He was wounded numerous times and was well liked by his comrades. He has a better war record than John McCain.

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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?
Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.


Well the difference is people do actually claim it 


You can support or claim to be anything. They're not like ISIS, the IRA or whatever with clear leadership and hierarchy. Antifa has as much structure as the IWC.

Well I guess only time will tell how it plays out. 

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Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?
Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.


Well the difference is people do actually claim it 


You can support or claim to be anything. They're not like ISIS, the IRA or whatever with clear leadership and hierarchy. Antifa has as much structure as the IWC.

Well I guess only time will tell how it plays out.

From what I'm already hearing, it's already played out exactly as most things Trump play out: with a tweet and nothing else.  Tweets are not policy and Trump has almost no authority and probably no willingness to do anything more, not that there's anything more to do since this "organization" doesn't really exist in any meaningful way.  Maybe he can get people who put "ANTIFA" on a T-shirt arrested?  So it's a clothing ban?  He accomplished the one and only thing he always hopes to accomplish: he got his base saying "Fuck yeah, Trump!"

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Seen some videos today of people blocking roads and highways and attempting to drag people out of vehicles.

At what point can a person legally run a person over?

The disrespect to people driving home is rather appalling.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: Kriss wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?
Antifa doesn't exist as more than an idea. There are no members. Trump, of course, doesn't know this. On the one hand, that means that his edict means nothing. On the other, it could be claimed that anyone is Antifa if it suits.


Well the difference is people do actually claim it 


You can support or claim to be anything. They're not like ISIS, the IRA or whatever with clear leadership and hierarchy. Antifa has as much structure as the IWC.

Well I guess only time will tell how it plays out.

From what I'm already hearing, it's already played out exactly as most things Trump play out: with a tweet and nothing else.  Tweets are not policy and Trump has almost no authority and probably no willingness to do anything more, not that there's anything more to do since this "organization" doesn't really exist in any meaningful way.  Maybe he can get people who put "ANTIFA" on a T-shirt arrested?  So it's a clothing ban?  He accomplished the one and only thing he always hopes to accomplish: he got his base saying "Fuck yeah, Trump!"

Again we will see, only time will tell 

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WongLee wrote: indikator wrote: WongLee wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction...

You are very much wrong there. He even received the derivative nickname "Böhmischer Gefreite" = "Bohemian Private" . I believe there was even a Hindenburg quote like "the Bohemian Private wants to be chancellor? Never! He might become the secretary of the postal service!"
No clue if those was just rumors. But, that was what his detractors said back then.
Well I can't believe I've been reduced to standing up for Hitler but I'm a firm believer that history should be told correctly. He received two commendations for bravery. He was in the Battle of Ypres and the Battle of the Somme. He was wounded numerous times and was well liked by his comrades. He has a better war record than John McCain.

Hitler was democratically elected and worked within the system to make almost every policy proposal, with at least a near-majority if not an outright majority supporting him.  The Nazis was democracy in action.  The Holocaust itself was just about the only thing that he was doing that wasn't widely known within his own country, but the funny thing is that was really only to avoid a bigger backlash from foreign powers.  After brainwashing his people and getting them into a lather about the Jews for so many years, most Germans surely would've supported it.  They supported everything else he did to them, so murder was hardly a huge stretch by the end.  This is why every time someone talks about being on a slippery slope towards the loss of our freedoms, and the majority shouts us down, they're proving the point.  

In far less time, Trump is pretty much there with his supporters.  If he went on TV tonight and said, "Look, we tried to be peaceful but these riots show that we need to suspend all legal rights and empower cops to shoot any protester, for any reason, including for simply violating curfew, until further notice" he'd get 95% of his base to sign up for that immediately and if we put it to a popular vote I think he'd get at least 30% to say yes.  It's BARELY a stretch from what he has been saying all along anyway.

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Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/espn-nba-reporter-tweets-george-floyd-protests/1eefhr1gpdx791oxlllizoun9i
LOL. Is anyone really surprised by rich liberal hypocrisy?  Now I’ll give him the slightest benefit of the doubt here because I’m not sure what he was specifically referring to when he said “Burn it all down”. If I saw a pic of a police station on fire I might say “burn it all down” meaning specifically police property. But if he was cheering on looting of other neighborhoods but not his own “gated community” then of course he’s an asshole. I never condone the destruction of private property though and the liberals who are are really not helping the situation. 

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So apparently he was cheering on the destruction of an affordable housing community. Then he cheered on cops as they drove away rioters from his “beautiful” community. Wow!

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Thank the Lord they showed up.

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One of my FB friends (who I must warn you is a spaz) reposted from some police account 15 minutes ago: "All available cops in Brooklyn requested to the Barclay's Center for a full fledged riot. Level 3 mobilization transmitted."

Take that for what it's worth, but a quick search has not shown anything yet except regular protests like last night.

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Mayor DeBlasio's black daughter has been arrested tonight with other protesters for refusing to disperse. The Sergeant Benevolent Association doxed her on Twitter,m including revealing personal info about her on her arrest record.  I assume this is all theater as the heels and babyfaces work together to make us aware that the mayor really cares.   FYI, she was not beaten or killed so this can't possibly be all that legit.

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Can anyone explain to me why rioting is considered protesting? I just don't get that part. How does destroying small businesses and looting equate to trying to improve things?

Serious question, I really don't get it

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: indikator wrote: WongLee wrote: khawk wrote: Does that group have an actual leader even?His name is Adolph. He's a veteran who served with distinction...

You are very much wrong there. He even received the derivative nickname "Böhmischer Gefreite" = "Bohemian Private" . I believe there was even a Hindenburg quote like "the Bohemian Private wants to be chancellor? Never! He might become the secretary of the postal service!"
No clue if those was just rumors. But, that was what his detractors said back then.
Well I can't believe I've been reduced to standing up for Hitler but I'm a firm believer that history should be told correctly. He received two commendations for bravery. He was in the Battle of Ypres and the Battle of the Somme. He was wounded numerous times and was well liked by his comrades. He has a better war record than John McCain.

Hitler was democratically elected and worked within the system to make almost every policy proposal, with at least a near-majority if not an outright majority supporting him.  The Nazis was democracy in action.  The Holocaust itself was just about the only thing that he was doing that wasn't widely known within his own country, but the funny thing is that was really only to avoid a bigger backlash from foreign powers.  After brainwashing his people and getting them into a lather about the Jews for so many years, most Germans surely would've supported it.  They supported everything else he did to them, so murder was hardly a huge stretch by the end.  This is why every time someone talks about being on a slippery slope towards the loss of our freedoms, and the majority shouts us down, they're proving the point.  

In far less time, Trump is pretty much there with his supporters.  If he went on TV tonight and said, "Look, we tried to be peaceful but these riots show that we need to suspend all legal rights and empower cops to shoot any protester, for any reason, including for simply violating curfew, until further notice" he'd get 95% of his base to sign up for that immediately and if we put it to a popular vote I think he'd get at least 30% to say yes.  It's BARELY a stretch from what he has been saying all along anyway.
 
I'm not his base, but I suppose you could make that 95% + 1.
 
Anyway, the important thing is start thinking seriously about how we separate.  Does anyone believe that a century hence we'll have somehow cracked this nut?  There's not going to be peaceable coexistence; those who desire it will forever be thwarted by persons who oppose it.  And by those who oppose it, I mean those who wish to keep the entire cauldron boiling in perpetuity because it profits them.  It will be neither quick nor easy but we need to start taking steps today. 
As I said before, the right to freedom of association must be restored in its entirety.  Stop forcing people to hire, transact, and live with people with whom they feel uncomfortable.  It's a daily tax that no one can escape. 

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Anyone see the twitter posts of the UAB Professor about how to pull down the Washington monument?

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Salt Lake City officers in riot gear push an elderly man limping on a cane to the ground because he did not get out of the way fast enough, in front of news crews. Very clear footage. Another officer did come over to help him up because he couldn't do it on his own.

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wittman2 wrote: Can anyone explain to me why rioting is considered protesting? I just don't get that part. How does destroying small businesses and looting equate to trying to improve things?

Serious question, I really don't get it

It's not. It's "let's use a tragic event as an excuse to behave like idiots, get free shit, and ruin other people's lives in the process because we're selfish assholes " It's nothing more than opportunism. I'm willing to bet most of the people rioting "in protest" of what happened to George Floyd really don't give a flying fuck about him. It, along with people having enough of the COVID 19 lockdown/restrictions, are a "reason" to go out, break into the local store, and get a new TV. 

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There lots of white people there that don't give a damn about what happened to Floyd out there causing trouble. It's too bad there isn't a good president who will at least try and calm things down. Trump was tweeting insults from his bunker. No leadership.

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And the independent autopsy ruled the death a homicide where sustained pressure to the back of the neck, consistent with being kneeled on, impeded blood flow to the brain. What a shock that this report seems to differ greatly from the city's report. And now it's a battle of experts during the trial as I suspected, and people will believe whichever expert best suits their predetermined narrative, video footage and common sense be damned.

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srossi wrote: The police marching down a quiet residential street screaming “Light em up!” as they shoot at homeowners sitting on their porch. Not a protester in sight. This is right out of a third world despotic country.

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?s=21


The rules about the curfew stated very clearly that residents could be outside of their homes but still on their property (in their yards, on porches, on decks, etc.). The entire point of the curfew was to keep people from congregating in public spaces, not to restrict them from using their own homes. This part of Minneapolis, the Whittier neighborhood, suffered some break ins and likely had rioters coming and going en route to and from the disturbance. However, it was not a center of any rioting and what did occur was more or less exclusively on the main arteries and commercial intersections, not in the residential areas. There was no call for this at all.

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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: The police marching down a quiet residential street screaming “Light em up!” as they shoot at homeowners sitting on their porch. Not a protester in sight. This is right out of a third world despotic country.

https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225?s=21


The rules about the curfew stated very clearly that residents could be outside of their homes but still on their property (in their yards, on porches, on decks, etc.). The entire point of the curfew was to keep people from congregating in public spaces, not to restrict them from using their own homes.

The cops never know the laws they're supposed to be enforcing (again going back to the 15-year battle now over cell phone videos which are perfectly legal and most cops swear are not).  I have seen all sorts of nonsense online defending the assault of citizens on their own property, but they were clearly allowed to be on their porches and I imagine the homeowners in the video will sue and win and taxpayers will give them a nice payout for their troubles and the cops will be given a pat on the back from their superiors.  This is a perfect example of no accountability.  When the money always comes from someone else, why should they care?  Also, the video shows a completely stress-free environment.  There is no one around.  There is no reason for the cops to be on edge and out of control at that particular moment, unless they are so mentally weak that just the thought of riots in other locations is enough to make them lose their minds, in which case why can we never just say, "You're not cut out for this job"?

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Blazer wrote: tamalie wrote: The death of George Floyd was appalling. Seeing the footage definitely made me wonder how often this happens when no one is around to record and spread the footage as well as when the cop lays off and the victim survives. The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.

There were two phases to what happened. There has been legitimate protesting and demonstrating. The damage to the third police precinct building, whether one approves or disapproves of such action, can be put into that context. However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for. The guy wheeling three flat screen TVs out of Target and the people who took all the display phones at the AT&T wireless store (the non display phones were locked up too well to be taken) certainly weren't seeking justice for anyone.

There were people who treated the whole thing like a party and took the opportunity to burn buildings and smash windows because it was a riot and that's what people do at these things. Being lost in a massive crowd makes it easier for people to do things they would not do if they were out alone.

There is a pretty big anarchist/punk type faction in the Twin Cities. I didn't have to see much footage to see them out in force, striking against the capitalist machine or whatever. The Autozone fire seems to have stemmed from one of its members.

For that matter, there is absolutely a good sized white supremacist faction around here too and I saw a report of at least one instance of someone who appeared to be part of this group doing Charlottesville type high speed drive throughs in a pickup with no plates. There have been charges, minus verifiable information, of this ilk infiltrating the crowds to stir things up.

That someone could drive through the riot zone was in no small part due to the Minneapolis Police Department completely losing any semblance of control. They didn't even bother to close the roads on Lake Street and the cross street feeders for a long time after things completely went nuts. From what I can tell, they were so improperly and unevenly deployed that entire securable areas were surrendered to people bent on destroying them long after this ceased to be a protest about a cop killing a man who'd been cuffed and seemed to be no real threat.

I would love to know how many of the people who destroyed the Target, Aldi, and Cub Foods (large local supermarket chain) actually live and work in that neighborhood which has a range of very poor to working class to lower middle class people. A lot of jobs were jeopardized and now a great amount of people have no full service supermarket to shop at in a convenient location.

There will be more rioting tonight, although the amount is uncertain. It will also spill out of the initial riot zone. There have been some incidents on and off today and last I checked there was a shopping center in St. Paul that seemed on the brink of things going over the edge. The sad part is now so many people are using George Floyd for their own purposes. Al Sharpton came to town! Floyd is a symbol, but his plight is getting overlooked by people with other concerns but who won't admit it.

Took the family up to Minneapolis last summer and took the Blue Line downtown from the airport.  I happened to Google the locations of the parties last night, and that Target was right off the Blue Line.  I kinda remember that stop on the ride downtown and when we went out to the Mall of America.  How were things in downtown proper?  Was most of this nonsense happening about ten minutes from the city?



I missed replying to this post the other day. The answer today is different than it would have been then.

Downtown proper was the scene of some skirmishes between protesters and the police and national guard soldiers. These were demonstrations that generally began and occurred peacefully, but when things broke up, or at least were supposed to have broken up, people that didn't disperse and the authorities had confrontations with rubber bullets and tear gas getting used. There wasn't much in the way of property damage apart from some scattered looting. No fires occurred in that section of town. The main rioting was maybe 10 minutes away, but because of how I-35W, I-394, MN Highway 55, and the light rail line cut through, getting from there to downtown isn't necessarily a snap.

There was a major demonstration downtown that got going around 5:00 PM. I was in the area on my bike as it started to mass. It was a very young crowd as these things often are, with most participants I saw ranging from mid teens to 30. There were definitely older people too including senior citizens. Given how some previous demonstrations ended, many people who might otherwise have participated likely decided to sit it out. This is when the incident on the bridge occurred. 

The protest moved to I-35W (I-35 in the Twin Cities splits into two north/south freeways the western part going through Minneapolis and I-35E going through St. Paul). Demonstrators assembled in the northbound lanes and southbound lanes. They were on the bridge that replaced the one that suddenly collapsed more than a decade ago. This is where the tanker truck incident occurred. 

The Minnesota Department of Transportation in conjunction with other authorities had closed the interstate and state highways leading into and out of the city. Somehow this gasoline tanker was on the highway and suddenly came up to the demonstration at about 70 MPH. Stopping suddenly. It looked like there could be a Reginald Denny incident as some demonstrators pulled him from the vehicle. Other demonstrators rushed in to shelter him and the police took him away. Despite the ominous appearance of things, it turns out he was one of the last vehicles through as state troopers were in the process of closing the road, but hadn't completed the task yet. 

How he got from the southside of town to the bridge with no MPD or state troopers seeing him and pulling him over to get him off the highway blows my mind. No matter how thinly stretched they were, the rioting was done here by Sunday evening and there had to be patrols on hand. The guy was questioned and it has been determined that this truly was an unlucky circumstance that he was on the road. No maliciousness was intended. Between CCTV footage, his own statements, and having a well known and respected black owned gas station/convenience store vouch that he had known him for years and the guy had just delivered fuel to his store minutes beforehand, he is in the clear.

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NYC will have an 11pm curfew tonight, the first time this had happened since 1943 during the Harlem Riots. That started when a white police officer shot a black soldier who was asking him to stop roughing up a black woman he was arresting.

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Random thought for the SJWs: if a black man explains why “All Lives Matter” is offensive to a white woman, is he still guilty of mansplaining?

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So my city turned into a jungle. Lori Lightoncrime did not deploy enough cops and the natives pounced. Amazing.

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BlueThunder wrote: So my city turned into a jungle. Lori Lightoncrime did not deploy enough cops and the natives pounced. Amazing.

But how did her hair look? 

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We have somehow produced a generation of mentally deranged people.

I love watching these fuckers throw shit, break shit, steal shit, then throw there hands up when the cops come around the corner.

This country has lost its fucking mind.

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srossi wrote: NYC will have an 11pm curfew tonight, the first time this had happened since 1943 during the Harlem Riots. That started when a white police officer shot a black soldier who was asking him to stop roughing up a black woman he was arresting.
DeBlasio has already announced an 8pm curfew tomorrow.  The weakest fucking mayor we've ever had, which is saying something. Kisses the asses of the cops, the backtracks, the backtracks again, then just throws up his hands and goes full police state.  Every single one of you motherfuckers who laughed when I said we were going full-blown police state, look at what's happened the last 10 weeks.  And you think we're ever going back to "normalcy"?  Once it's gone, it's gone forever.

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Franchise wrote: BlueThunder wrote: So my city turned into a jungle. Lori Lightoncrime did not deploy enough cops and the natives pounced. Amazing.

But how did her hair look? 

Like Larry Fine. And Governor Cheeseburger was MIA until today. These two are our first line of defense against the savages and they failed bigly

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Quattro wrote: We have somehow produced a generation of mentally deranged people.

I love watching these fuckers throw shit, break shit, steal shit, then throw there hands up when the cops come around the corner.

This country has lost its fucking mind.


And then watch liberals martyr them legitimacy when they're arrested, beat up, or have them gassed.

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I have been telling y’all for years that these millennials were gonna destroy us.

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Today Trump bulldozed and gassed peaceful protesters so he could do a photo op with a bible he has never read. He hits a new low. And out again with no mask. Has not talked to Fauchi in two weeks. Pretending the virus does not exist. 104,000 dead on his watch. 

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Spatulapup wrote: Today Trump bulldozed and gassed peaceful protesters so he could do a photo op with a bible he has never read. He hits a new low. And out again with no mask. Has not talked to Fauchi in two weeks. Pretending the virus does not exist. 104,000 dead on his watch. 
I can’t deal with your mask/Fauci craziness at the same time that I deal with all the other craziness. I can only deal with one set of crazies at a time. Your number has expired and now we’re onto something else.  We’re in a complete police state endorsed by almost every Democratic governor and mayor in the country.  We gave tanks in our streets and people being shot on their porches.  Fuck Trump and fuck people who keeps obsessing about Trump. We’re so far beyond this guy. 

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Spatulapup wrote: Today Trump bulldozed and gassed peaceful protesters so he could do a photo op with a bible he has never read. He hits a new low. And out again with no mask. Has not talked to Fauchi in two weeks. Pretending the virus does not exist. 104,000 dead on his watch. 
LMAO @ you still freaking over a mask..that's so last month, nobody gives a shit about that anymore..

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Here are a pair of goofy moments from local Twin Cities riot coverage last week.

- The NBC affiliate had a reporter in the vicinity of the police station that was ultimately burned down, not long before the fire was set. He was reporting from the sidewalk by a convenience store that was being looted, with looters in the background going in and out of the store.

As he was speaking, behind him a guy came out of the store having looted so much stuff that he'd also looted a dolly to get it all home. From the studio, one of the anchors wryly said "That's quite a haul there."

- The CBS affiliate, which is geographically closer to the riot zone than any other station in town, took an all hands on deck approach, sending any and all reporters and cameras out in order to have the widest coverage possible. This included Mike Max, the weeknight sports anchor. He actually did a great job. He has done some sports play by play and did very well at describing things as they happened in a way some of his colleagues who are used to working from scripts could not.

Anyway, he was on the street reporting on either a USPS or UPS truck that had been stopped in the road and then looted. As he was talking, a group of looters came by with packages when one of them excitedly yelled out, "It's Mike Max!" The entire group went up to him boisterously mugging for the camera and good naturedly patting him on the back as he finished his report and threw it back to the studio. It was like something you'd have expected to see outside of US Bank Stadium after the Vikings beat the Packers in a big game rather than something from a riot.

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Married Jo wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Today Trump bulldozed and gassed peaceful protesters so he could do a photo op with a bible he has never read. He hits a new low. And out again with no mask. Has not talked to Fauchi in two weeks. Pretending the virus does not exist. 104,000 dead on his watch. 
LMAO @ you still freaking over a mask..that's so last month, nobody gives a shit about that anymore..



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So let's see. Since this thread started the cops have attacked working journalists well over a hundred times. We've had a president take control of a church by force for a photo op that even his staunchest supporters must think is bullshit. We are probably hours away from a military occupation of our beloved Murica because of looting. We have agent provocateurs everywhere. And it's only Tuesday.

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WongLee wrote: We've had a president take control of a church by force for a photo op that even his staunchest supporters must think is bullshit.
Don't be naive.  I've already seen hundreds of people coming up with ways to defend that.  His staunchest supporters would support him nuking Chicago.

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Who is dropping off the brick piles?


It’s going to be interesting when this all ends how many people are going to go to prison when they connect the dots on this stuff.


Other than the CNN reporter being arrested what other journalists were touched by the police?


At this point you probably wouldn’t have a lot of people complain if we had The military walking the streets.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: We've had a president take control of a church by force for a photo op that even his staunchest supporters must think is bullshit.
Don't be naive.  I've already seen hundreds of people coming up with ways to defend that.  His staunchest supporters would support him nuking Chicago.


As long as I was briefed a couple hours in advance.

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True tragedy today as The Forgotten Sons are having a social media spat over Trump.  After Jackson Ryker tweeted his support of Trump in using any means necessary to quell the protests, he predicatbly was Twitter murdered.  His comrades received some blowback and fellow veteran and tag team partner Steve Cutler went AWOL in denouncing his partner's political views.  Cutler has asserted that he has had a more conservative bent in the past but that he's pretty moderate and "This is not what I fought for or what I believe America is."  He is typing #BlackLivesMatters so much today that he will likely be out of action with carpal tunnel syndrome for the next 2 weeks. 

So as we all enjoy our white privilege from behind our computer screens today, let's take a moment to recognize that a WWE mid-card tag team is going to have an awkward conversation in the near future.  If The Forgotten Sons can resolve their differences peacefully, there might still be hope for America.  If not, we should just cut our losses and sell to the Chinese. 

Sami Zayn, R-Truth, Mustafa Ali, and Kayla Braxton are among the WWE stars who have directly tweeted at Ryker, ad they've barely been nicer to him than everyone else.  I'll give him this, he has balls to type that shit right now.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: We've had a president take control of a church by force for a photo op that even his staunchest supporters must think is bullshit.
Don't be naive.  I've already seen hundreds of people coming up with ways to defend that.  His staunchest supporters would support him nuking Chicago.

Even as much as I dislike his “online” persona, I still think we should give Blue Thunder the heads up if we see the Enola Gay flying that way.  

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gwlee7 wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: We've had a president take control of a church by force for a photo op that even his staunchest supporters must think is bullshit.
Don't be naive.  I've already seen hundreds of people coming up with ways to defend that.  His staunchest supporters would support him nuking Chicago.

Even as much as I dislike his “online” persona, I still think we should give Blue Thunder the heads up if we see the Enola Gay flying that way. 

I would laugh my ass off personally.  Martial law and authorizing military force against citizens is no joke.  They won't be looking at your American flag and Thin Blue Line bumper stickers when they open fire on everyone.

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I ain’t laughing at the President doing this fascist shit to anybody. BT included.

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Franchise wrote: Who is dropping off the brick piles?


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Other than the CNN reporter being arrested what other journalists were touched by the police?


The brick piles have been there on construction sites since February. It's been proven with Google Maps.


As far as reporters go.


https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/06/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country/?fbclid=IwAR1ZmT6yiQpvzwhsrrv9sd6x6c3Kz9ef8s1-AvsQd-RN4x7OGyUpRGI9ViU

As Black Lives Matter protests spread across the country one week after a white police officer allegedly murdered a black man, George Floyd, it’s becoming clear that attacks by police on journalists are becoming a widespread pattern, not one-off incidents. While violence against press-credentialed reporters covering the protests may still be dwarfed by violence against the American citizens who are protesting, incidents are piling up — and are getting more attention in part because the journalists being attacked include those from large mainstream news organizations.
A number of efforts are underway to try to track the attacks on journalists, which are often first documented on Twitter. Bellingcat senior investigator Nick Waters had documented 113 incidents by Tuesday morning. #101 occurred outside the White House, when federal law enforcement attacked a group of protestors and journalists with tear gas, allowing the president a clear path to walk to a photo opportunity in which he held a Bible in front of St. John’s Church. A story on Bellingcat’s site, “U.S. Law Enforcement Are Deliberately Targeting Journalists During George Floyd Protests,” provides more insight into some of the incidents, and notes:
Although in some incidents it is possible the journalists were hit or affected accidentally, in the majority of the cases we have recorded the journalists are clearly identifiable as press, and it is clear that they are being deliberately targeted. This pattern of violence against journalists is replicated in several cities, but appears most intense in Minneapolis.




U.S. Press Freedom Tracker ✔ @uspresstracker More numbers from our tracking. From May 28-31:

—At least 19 reporters arrested.

—At least 36 journalists have reported being shot at by police with projectiles such as rubber bullets. 50% just in Minnesota.

—At least 76 reported assaults (physical and shot at). 80% by police.

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WongLee wrote:
As far as reporters go.


https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/06/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country/?fbclid=IwAR1ZmT6yiQpvzwhsrrv9sd6x6c3Kz9ef8s1-AvsQd-RN4x7OGyUpRGI9ViU

As Black Lives Matter protests spread across the country one week after a white police officer allegedly murdered a black man, George Floyd, it’s becoming clear that attacks by police on journalists are becoming a widespread pattern, not one-off incidents. While violence against press-credentialed reporters covering the protests may still be dwarfed by violence against the American citizens who are protesting, incidents are piling up — and are getting more attention in part because the journalists being attacked include those from large mainstream news organizations.
A number of efforts are underway to try to track the attacks on journalists, which are often first documented on Twitter. Bellingcat senior investigator Nick Waters had documented 113 incidents by Tuesday morning. #101 occurred outside the White House, when federal law enforcement attacked a group of protestors and journalists with tear gas, allowing the president a clear path to walk to a photo opportunity in which he held a Bible in front of St. John’s Church. A story on Bellingcat’s site, “U.S. Law Enforcement Are Deliberately Targeting Journalists During George Floyd Protests,” provides more insight into some of the incidents, and notes:
Although in some incidents it is possible the journalists were hit or affected accidentally, in the majority of the cases we have recorded the journalists are clearly identifiable as press, and it is clear that they are being deliberately targeted. This pattern of violence against journalists is replicated in several cities, but appears most intense in Minneapolis.




U.S. Press Freedom Tracker ✔ @uspresstracker More numbers from our tracking. From May 28-31:

—At least 19 reporters arrested.

—At least 36 journalists have reported being shot at by police with projectiles such as rubber bullets. 50% just in Minnesota.

—At least 76 reported assaults (physical and shot at). 80% by police.

The comments from the America-loving Trump supporters are literally "Fuck the press, they deserve it because fake news."  We're beyond the point of reason with half the country now. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote:
As far as reporters go.


https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/06/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country/?fbclid=IwAR1ZmT6yiQpvzwhsrrv9sd6x6c3Kz9ef8s1-AvsQd-RN4x7OGyUpRGI9ViU

As Black Lives Matter protests spread across the country one week after a white police officer allegedly murdered a black man, George Floyd, it’s becoming clear that attacks by police on journalists are becoming a widespread pattern, not one-off incidents. While violence against press-credentialed reporters covering the protests may still be dwarfed by violence against the American citizens who are protesting, incidents are piling up — and are getting more attention in part because the journalists being attacked include those from large mainstream news organizations.
A number of efforts are underway to try to track the attacks on journalists, which are often first documented on Twitter. Bellingcat senior investigator Nick Waters had documented 113 incidents by Tuesday morning. #101 occurred outside the White House, when federal law enforcement attacked a group of protestors and journalists with tear gas, allowing the president a clear path to walk to a photo opportunity in which he held a Bible in front of St. John’s Church. A story on Bellingcat’s site, “U.S. Law Enforcement Are Deliberately Targeting Journalists During George Floyd Protests,” provides more insight into some of the incidents, and notes:
Although in some incidents it is possible the journalists were hit or affected accidentally, in the majority of the cases we have recorded the journalists are clearly identifiable as press, and it is clear that they are being deliberately targeted. This pattern of violence against journalists is replicated in several cities, but appears most intense in Minneapolis.




U.S. Press Freedom Tracker ✔ @uspresstracker More numbers from our tracking. From May 28-31:

—At least 19 reporters arrested.

—At least 36 journalists have reported being shot at by police with projectiles such as rubber bullets. 50% just in Minnesota.

—At least 76 reported assaults (physical and shot at). 80% by police.

The comments from the America-loving Trump supporters are literally "Fuck the press, they deserve it because fake news."  We're beyond the point of reason with half the country now. 


I do love America but I don’t always believe everything I read or hear. It’s become obvious in this Information Age that many things we were taught was the truth wasn’t / isn’t. Framing and bias exist and because of that I like to see as much information as possible. 

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And by the way thanks Wong for the link

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote:
As far as reporters go.


https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/06/well-try-to-help-you-follow-the-police-attacks-on-journalists-across-the-country/?fbclid=IwAR1ZmT6yiQpvzwhsrrv9sd6x6c3Kz9ef8s1-AvsQd-RN4x7OGyUpRGI9ViU

As Black Lives Matter protests spread across the country one week after a white police officer allegedly murdered a black man, George Floyd, it’s becoming clear that attacks by police on journalists are becoming a widespread pattern, not one-off incidents. While violence against press-credentialed reporters covering the protests may still be dwarfed by violence against the American citizens who are protesting, incidents are piling up — and are getting more attention in part because the journalists being attacked include those from large mainstream news organizations.
A number of efforts are underway to try to track the attacks on journalists, which are often first documented on Twitter. Bellingcat senior investigator Nick Waters had documented 113 incidents by Tuesday morning. #101 occurred outside the White House, when federal law enforcement attacked a group of protestors and journalists with tear gas, allowing the president a clear path to walk to a photo opportunity in which he held a Bible in front of St. John’s Church. A story on Bellingcat’s site, “U.S. Law Enforcement Are Deliberately Targeting Journalists During George Floyd Protests,” provides more insight into some of the incidents, and notes:
Although in some incidents it is possible the journalists were hit or affected accidentally, in the majority of the cases we have recorded the journalists are clearly identifiable as press, and it is clear that they are being deliberately targeted. This pattern of violence against journalists is replicated in several cities, but appears most intense in Minneapolis.




U.S. Press Freedom Tracker ✔ @uspresstracker More numbers from our tracking. From May 28-31:

—At least 19 reporters arrested.

—At least 36 journalists have reported being shot at by police with projectiles such as rubber bullets. 50% just in Minnesota.

—At least 76 reported assaults (physical and shot at). 80% by police.

The comments from the America-loving Trump supporters are literally "Fuck the press, they deserve it because fake news."  We're beyond the point of reason with half the country now. 


I do love America but I don’t always believe everything I read or hear. It’s become obvious in this Information Age that many things we were taught was the truth wasn’t / isn’t. Framing and bias exist and because of that I like to see as much information as possible.

Completely irrelevant.  You do not imprison, assault, or silence the press, period.  That is not even a slippery slope.  That is the end of democracy.  I  always say the same thing when liberals target Fox News.

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Ok cool when did I ever say any of that?

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This thread is a microcosm of real life. Has anyone noticed that the 58 page COVID-19 thread hasn't had a post in almost 10 days. I wonder what's going to replace this one.

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It’s you Wong, whatever you start turns to gold

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Aaaaaaaaaaand now NYC is under curfew for one week. This should end well.

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WongLee wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaand now NYC is under curfew for one week. This should end well.
8:00 PM curfews, my mother-in-law is somewhere in Arizona right now with a 5:00 PM curfew days after some places just opened up again.  It's almost like they want to destroy what's left of all businesses.

I also love the exceptions.  Curfew doesn't apply to first responders, essential service providers, etc.  And of course the second they're out 1 minute past curfew, some cop in fear for his life is going to scream that they're not obeying the curfew and shoot them dead for just walking back from work.  That's next.  And DeBlasio will say the officers did a fine job right before he changes his mind. 

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Franchise wrote: Ok cool when did I ever say any of that?
I didn't say you did.  I can expand with my own thoughts.

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WongLee wrote: This thread is a microcosm of real life. Has anyone noticed that the 58 page COVID-19 thread hasn't had a post in almost 10 days. I wonder what's going to replace this one.
I'm assuming the government will re-open one school within the next week just so someone can shoot it up.  At a time like this, they need people to remember that citizens shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

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If this doesn't give you a chuckle, you're completely dead inside.  They sound Canadian, too.  C'mon, man, couldn't the "protesters" hear the generic, colored music they were listening to?  Surely that means they're down with the cause!
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SOOOOO, I just left my neighborhood to check on my rentals. I have two vacant and all is okay. The places I have most of my rentals are in a working class black neighborhood. It's a rather safe community. Anyway, the shopping district looks like Berlin 1945. This has been the case with the majority of Black shopping districts. I live on the edge of Chicago, which borders four different suburbs. All these communities are predominately White. We got minimal damage from the Ebonic Plague. I also cruised through my areas and surrounding suburbs. Businesses are booming. You can't even find a place to park. The decent Black folks have no place to shop, so they go into areas that weren't hit. Inner city folk managed to do the impossible. They, in their infinite wisdom, transferred all the wealth from black neighborhoods to White neighborhoods. You can't make this shit up.


I strongly urge antifa, the locals and any other group to take their cause to the rural areas. That would really strike it to Trump's White America. I'd even help finance their excursion. it would be the greatest investment ever.

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Shouldn't everyone be Antifa? (Anti-fascist)

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Vince has solved racism now. 

Very carefully worded. “Senseless violence” but not “senseless police violence”, as if a random dude punching you is the same thing. 

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How come Bobo never had a run with the strap then huh Vince?

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WongLee wrote: How come Bobo never had a run with the strap then huh Vince?
How many letters did you write to complain? 
I want to see receipts 

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NYPD has canceled all days off and vacation time and is expecting all hands on deck to be available 7 days a week for full shifts plus overtime. The only other time they’ve done this is the days following 9/11. So that’ll teach ‘em. Justice was served!  Also great news for the cop spouses and kids who might get beat a little less this week. 

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Full post from the rector of the parish that was essentially conquered and occupied by the federal government yesterday. She’s already been called a liar by the conservatives who used to worship God but now worship Trump. I’ll admit that’s the one thing I was very wrong about. I thought for many years that if we could get rid of organized religion we would eliminate at least half the problems in the world, but when people worship government officials more than God (as both liberals and conservatives now do) it’s so much worse.

“Friends, I am ok, but I am, frankly shaken. I was at St. John's, Lafayette Square most of the afternoon, with fellow clergy and laypeople - and clergy from some other denominations too. We were passing out water and snacks, and helping the patio area at St. John's, Lafayette square to be a place of respite and peace. All was well - with a few little tense moments - until about 6:15 or so. By then, I had connected with the Black Lives Matter medic team, which was headed by an EMT. Those people were AMAZING. They had been on the patio all day, and thankfully had not had to use much of the eyewash they had made. Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police - in full riot gear - drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people. Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet - he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually - with SO MANY concussion grenades - back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John's, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN'S - a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day - SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!

I am deeply shaken. I did not see any protestors throw anything until the tear gas and concussion grenades started, and then it was mostly water bottles. I am shaken, not so much by the taste of tear gas and the bit of a cough I still have, but by the fact that that show of force was for a PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. The patio of St. John's, Lafayette square had been HOLY GROUND today. A place of respite and laughter and water and granola bars and fruit snacks. But that man turned it into a BATTLE GROUND first, and a cheap political stunt second. I am DEEPLY OFFENDED on behalf of every protestor, every Christian, the people of St. John's, Lafayette square, every decent person there, and the BLM medics who stayed with just a single box of supplies and a backpack, even when I got too scared and had to leave. I am ok. But I am now a force to be reckoned with.”

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srossi wrote: NYPD has canceled all days off and vacation time and is expecting all hands on deck to be available 7 days a week for full shifts plus overtime. The only other time they’ve done this is the days following 9/11. So that’ll teach ‘em. Justice was served!  Also great news for the cop spouses and kids who might get beat a little less this week. Speaking strictly as a job. As a way to make a living. The first five to seven years as an NYPD cop totally suck. They start with relatively low pay and have all the shit shifts. This doesn't end for a long, long time. Twelve to fourteen hour workdays are a norm. It's not even because they have to appear in court because they arrested the Korean grocer who didn't take his garbage out in a timely manner either. They'll put you here and then when your shift is just about over they'll tell you, oh go over there for a few hours. If you can get through the first seven years you got it made though.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: NYPD has canceled all days off and vacation time and is expecting all hands on deck to be available 7 days a week for full shifts plus overtime. The only other time they’ve done this is the days following 9/11. So that’ll teach ‘em. Justice was served!  Also great news for the cop spouses and kids who might get beat a little less this week. Speaking strictly as a job. As a way to make a living. The first five to seven years as an NYPD cop totally suck. They start with relatively low pay and have all the shit shifts. This doesn't end for a long, long time. Twelve to fourteen hour workdays are a norm. It's not even because they have to appear in court because they arrested the Korean grocer who didn't take his garbage out in a timely manner either. They'll put you here and then when your shift is just about over they'll tell you, oh go over there for a few hours. If you can get through the first seven years you got it made though.

Doesn’t sound much worse than a waiter without seniority or many customer service positions, but even bad pay at the beginning for cops is better than what they get. Most people have to pay their dues with shit shifts at first. Hell, even in white collar jobs with spectacular payoffs at the end of the rainbow, like trying to make partner in a law firm or a VP in a finance company, those first years are awful. I remember when I was at JP Morgan and those Associates were putting in 18 hour days, and if they didn’t live close they slept at the office at least a few days a week. They weren’t making much more than $60,000. One of them is a legit multi-millionaire now, not sure what happened to the others. 

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This meme is pretty spot on. 

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This is an great read:

To my conservative friends:

You were right to call bullshit on the media when they spent months trying to imply that every Donald Trump rally was a hornet’s nest of violence. They weren’t.

This propaganda by leftist reporters didn’t match the experience of the thousands of rally attendees across the country, including mine. It diminished further their limited credibility. That is a big roadblock in the moment we are now having. By exaggerating the little things so often, the big things aren’t a big deal to Americans.

Now we are faced when a moment where Trump is truly raising the temperature towards violence in an effort to look like the tough guy.

Violence galvanizes the opposition and decreases the likelihood of ending rioting. As looters and rioters destroy property, your anger grows. As police commit brutal acts to quell the violence, their anger grows. Those on the fence leave it and join a side. As the sides clash, resentment grows. It’s a cycle we’ve been experiencing since the 1970’s and I truly think it’s brought us to the brink of Civil War within our lifetimes.

So Trump is gambling that his rhetoric will stay that way and no Governor actually asks him to send in troops. He gets to pretend he’s willing to restore law and order without the outrage of actual bloodshed.

He wrongly assumes looting was down last night due to his threats. The National Guard was finally activated and in place in most of these cities. The Guard cannot be mobilized instantaneously.

Riots burn themselves out within days for a few reasons. First, the additional bodies on the streets. Second is community involvement. Third is the fear of consequences as local agencies get better at catching the bad guys.

So Donald Trump had no effect in decreasing violence last night but he will take advantage of your ignorance for personal gain.

He does it in other ways.

If you’re a small business owner, his over the top rhetoric puts your business more at risk by increasing the participation of the other side. He’s not protecting you. He’s using you as a pawn to win an election.

He says he loves the second amendment. The purpose of the second amendment is to ward off tyranny and to protect life and property. He is not encouraging community-based solutions to aid the police in their efforts. He’s proposing to expand the power of the centralized state to include No Quarter invasions on American cities. That means assuming guilt and killing on site. No judge or jury or due process. When the next conservative movement like the Tea Party emerges, do you want a Geworge Soros-backed Democratic President to have this power? Maybe he didn’t mean it... but why would he say it if he felt it was inappropriate?

He’s standing outside of a church that was used by past Presidents for worship holding a Bible upside down. This location and object are meaningless to the man. He’s cynically exploiting them for campaign ads.

He’s the head of the CDC that issued the guidelines that closed down your churches. He has pretended it was terrible, but I got a postcard from him taking credit for the shutdowns in March. Once his base shifted, so did he.

To my fellow Christians: we are called to be peaceful witnesses in the world of brokenness and violence. We are to live apart from this world by loving the Word to such a depth that it changes our hearts. They’ll know us by our acts.

To retreat into our entrenched identities of race, color, socioeconomic group, or career means loving the world more than loving our values. Embracing the man has brought the credibility of most major Evangelical figures to ruin. In a Postmodern society, credibility and trust are the key to changing hearts and minds.

Why do Republicans support him?

Because Donald Trump feels right. Political language is incredibly powerful and he’s a master at it. He reinforces only a few ideas repeatedly and in short phrases. He uses humor to punish the people you hate to get you to love him.

Growing up as a baby Republican, I heard more times than I can count that “blacks should abandon the Democratic Party. They don’t have their best interest at heart, but the victimhood keeps them paralyzed by fear.”

Trump has now created a white, “conservative,” identity group. He galvanized this movement by hating the right people. You want to see them suffer because you feel victimized by their dismissive attitude and smugness.

The press. Democrats. Higher education. ANTIFA.

His all out assault on liberal culture feels so good after being put down for so many years.

To support his right-leaning culture of victimhood, he’s even created his own universe of “race pimps.” Sean Hannity is your Al Sharpton. Sebastian Gorka is your version of Jesse Jackson. OAN is a hive of opportunists willing to sell you their book full of half truths in an effort to launch into full time grifting.

Now connect that to economic insecurity felt these past three months. Connect that to the mocking of protestors and being dismissed by 80% of the country last month. That really sucked.

That’s how black men and women have felt every day of their life. They’re not you’re enemy. They’re asking you to partner with them in changing it.

Black voters stay with Democrats as a form of self-protection. Their alternative is a party that refuses to even HEAR about systemic issues. Instead we have found every opportunity to escape the conversation by lumping everyone into one group.

Black Lives Matter are seperate from a violent anarchist that’s watched The Joker one too many times and wants to hit people with bike chains. They’re different that the organized out of state looters that rob stores to make a killing on Facebook Marketplace.

The President doesn’t want you to see a difference. If you don’t then you’re easier to control.

The President wants to bamboozle you into believing he cares about you by pretending he’s one of us, and you’re letting him get away with it and looking like fools in the process.

Many of you are saying, “but all Presidents do this.” You’re right. The magic wand of whataboutism is not an out. You can’t change what a Democratic President does but you have the power to change your party. Your fellow Republicans are your responsibility.

Many of you may not understand the constant hate of Trump. It exists because most of your fellow Americans can’t believe that so many of you are living and voting so counter to what you say you believe. It is like watching your friend date a person that you know is wrong for them, and maybe even dangerous, and you don’t know how to help them see it.

Just as with Barack Obama, the cult of the Presidency is growing at an alarming rate. The members of the now-dead Tea Party are making that possible.

What’s the solution? Stop supporting the growth of government in any way. Don’t support any policy that grows the greater threat to liberty in an effort to diminish the power of lesser threats.

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We may have jumped the shark here as Kevin Nash is now claiming that when we held his fist in the air as Diesel as part of his ring pose, he was making some sort of Black Power statement. Ummmm...

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Tim’s 1p upload covers a Sizeable chunk of information and he even touches on protestors beating journalist.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GnJBOSTZzSc

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srossi wrote: We may have jumped the shark here as Kevin Nash is now claiming that when we held his fist in the air as Diesel as part of his ring pose, he was making some sort of Black Power statement. Ummmm...There's some truth to that. He was doing that to placate Ahmed Johnson so he could get an even better price on coke than he was getting by just being one of the many "boys" who pimped out Sunny.

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srossi wrote:Many of you may not understand the constant hate of Trump. It exists because most of your fellow Americans can’t believe that so many of you are living and voting so counter to what you say you believe. It is like watching your friend date a person that you know is wrong for them, and maybe even dangerous, and you don’t know how to help them see it


I lived in Texas for one presidential election and one mid term. I saw probably 200 houses with Hillary or O’Rouke yard signs. Nobody complained, nobody posted on the community Facebook that anyone was messing with them nothing. On the flip side I saw maybe 3 Trump and or Cruz signs. It was a talking point; how could anyone support them????. One guy had his signs destroyed multiple times. 

Who cares right? It’s a yard sign, it’s a Facebook group, it’s nothing important. Well maybe that’s why people get shocked about people voting “counter” because the people who voted Trump weren’t really living a Hillary lifestyle they just went with the social flow so as to not draw attention. 

Every Karen I’ve Ever met In real life was hardcore liberal and almost every liberal I’ve Ever met in real life is miserable hating something or someone, they don’t do this or don’t do that because virtue or awareness. 

People in my family die young I don’t have time to waste being miserable. I don’t talk about my views in public because it doesn’t do anything for me mentally I don’t feel the need to spread political opinions. I’m sure people have their own opinions about me and that’s fine; I’ll continue to drive my diesel pick up, wear my carrera champion sunglasses like Arn Anderson, smoke cigars, mow my grass rain or shine and tell both of my kids Loudly I’m proud of them but they could have done better in their sporting events. 


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I've always said that Trump is like porn. You don't admit to it, in public, or in the workplace. But as soon as you're alone (voting), and it's perfectly fine to watch/do/support all this nasty stuff... hells yes, the pants are down and you're spanking it.

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Very very nice gesture here.


https://wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/chris-jericho-made-a-generous-donation-to-the-family-of-george-floyd/?fbclid=IwAR0gS7QkskG7gvPoDAoLu8g87GEsa-9lyxgB_a0RHBhay0MT1Ws20EaXHrg


Chris Jericho quietly made a generous donation to the family of George Floyd over the weekend.

Jericho is listed among the top donors with a $5,000. The money was set up by Floyd’s brother, Philonise, and will go towards paying the family’s legal and travel expenses and to help support and educate George Floyd’s children.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: I've always said that Trump is like porn. You don't admit to it, in public, or in the workplace. But as soon as you're alone (voting), and it's perfectly fine to watch/do/support all this nasty stuff... hells yes, the pants are down and you're spanking it.That's a bit like the Conservative Party over here.  There's even an opinion poll term - "quiet Tories".  The polls so consistently under-rated the Conservative party support that the pollsters ended up adding points to the outcomes to make up for it.

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The charges against Chauvin have been increased from 3rd to 2nd degree murder, which is both good and bad. Harder to get a conviction now. Also the 3 “good cops” who stood by and watched will finally be arrested if they haven’t already.

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WongLee wrote: Very very nice gesture here.


https://wrestlingnews.co/aew-news/chris-jericho-made-a-generous-donation-to-the-family-of-george-floyd/?fbclid=IwAR0gS7QkskG7gvPoDAoLu8g87GEsa-9lyxgB_a0RHBhay0MT1Ws20EaXHrg


Chris Jericho quietly made a generous donation to the family of George Floyd over the weekend.

Jericho is listed among the top donors with a $5,000. The money was set up by Floyd’s brother, Philonise, and will go towards paying the family’s legal and travel expenses and to help support and educate George Floyd’s children.

Jericho is a good dude. He apparently was getting ripped apart the other day on the Twitter saying something about Blue Lives Matter. I didn't catch the whole thing, but some people post some disappointment about it.

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Well the full autopsy report reveals that George Floyd was positive for Covid so this cop is going to get off and Floyd’s death will be officially ruled as Covid-related. That’ll make all the liberals and conservatives happy. Unity!

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The Rock, who has toyed with the idea of running for President as a Republican in the past, slams Trump without mentioning him by name and asks "Where is our leader?" This was a hell of a promo.

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Off topic but it relates to the discussion srossi and I had the other day. The last person receiving a Civil War pension died on Sunday. She was 90 years old, and when she was born in 1930 her mother was 34 and her father was 83! He had started the war fighting for the Rebels but defected to the Union. She was collecting a pension (yearly?) of $73.


https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/last-pension-civil-war-irene-triplett/

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KGB wrote: Off topic but it relates to the discussion srossi and I had the other day. The last person receiving a Civil War pension died on Sunday. She was 90 years old, and when she was born in 1930 her mother was 34 and her father was 83! He had started the war fighting for the Rebels but defected to the Union. She was collecting a pension (yearly?) of $73.


https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/last-pension-civil-war-irene-triplett/

And no Trump supporter was pissed off that we were still paying a pension to the family of a traitor?  That one must have slipped under the radar.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Off topic but it relates to the discussion srossi and I had the other day. The last person receiving a Civil War pension died on Sunday. She was 90 years old, and when she was born in 1930 her mother was 34 and her father was 83! He had started the war fighting for the Rebels but defected to the Union. She was collecting a pension (yearly?) of $73.


https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/03/last-pension-civil-war-irene-triplett/

And no Trump supporter was pissed off that we were still paying a pension to the family of a traitor?  That one must have slipped under the radar.

Not a good spatulapup impression.

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Project veritas has a new piece out about antifa


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YouTuber jake Paul arrested in Scottsdale for unlawful assembly and trespass 

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When looters busted into a mall, Jake Paul was there, presumably for the thrill and to get content. He claims he had not rioted or looted and had actually taken part in protests and had fled with friends into the mall after police used tear gas.

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Bexar County Republican Chairwoman Cynthia Brehm sent an e-mail and posted it to Facebook with a strange conspiracy theory in which it appears that she claims the cops were working with Democrats to execute a black man in order to hurt Trump's chances of winning in November. Or something. I never really get these conspiracy theories because it always means the cops have to be involved in helping the other side, similar to the "staged event" story about the CNN reporter being arrested.

Here's her full post:

“These officers were involved in something, I’m not sure exactly what, but something is just not adding up.

"Also this supposed officer is now missing from his home, no where to be found has the smell of MK Ultra activation.

“I think that there is at the very least the `possibility’, that this was a filmed public execution of a black man by a white cop, with the purpose of creating racial tensions and driving a wedge in the growing group of anti deep state sentiment from common people, that have been already been psychologically traumatized by COVID 19 fears.

“Historically, in election years and politically contested areas or groups, racial or gun violence incidents are becoming common place.

“Considering the rising approval level of President Trump in the black community an event like this was entirely ‘Predictable.’”

A fellow Republican, U.S. Rep. Chip Roy from Texas, simply replied: "If this is an accurate email - she should resign."

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I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.

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srossi wrote: I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.
Trump’s passive aggressiveness when it comes to this is the most maddening thing.  He will say or tweet “You know, I heard that ** insert crazy bullshit here ** “ and then throw up his hands with a “maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not”.  He knows damn well what he’s doing with this Joe McCarthy level bullshit.  

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I really don't understand how in this day and age people can be so stupid with their use of social media, but there is a new pandemic of real people with real profiles attached to real businesses and jobs who are posting pics of the "George Floyd Challenge". This is them mocking the death by kneeling on or having someone kneel on their neck, often while writing or saying "I Can't Breathe". There can be no benefit of the doubt here that they are making a statement about rioters or supporting cops or whatever, they are simply mocking a murder that almost everyone recognizes as senseless and tragic except the most hardened racists.

And so then what happens? They get fired, their businesses get ruined, etc. It's happened a bunch of times already. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? Can no one just sit around with their racist like-minded friends and make these jokes anymore? They have to make them worldwide so that everyone knows? They can't even set up a fake troll account to do it? I don't understand who thinks it's worth it. And then these people beg for forgiveness when they think that just looking at a cop funny is worth the death penalty. Fuck them.

There's this sweet-looking grandma from Eugene, Oregon who did this.  She runs a business that is ruined.  Her Yelp page had to be taken down and her landlord is looking to force her out.  Her page is covered with pics of her kids and grandkids who are getting death threats now.  Everyone involved had to take down their Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. but the screen shots of the private info and photos are out there forever.  The business had to disconnect its phone.  You really want to get your grandkids killed and lose your business over a bad joke?  Everyone knows exactly who you are and can find you in 5 seconds if they stake out your business whose address is posted everywhere.  They can probably even find your home address in 5 seconds.  And there's plenty of younger people who are doing the same thing, so it's not just an age thing.

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It's additional confirmation few of us here needed: People are incredibly stupid, and phone cameras apparently correlate with making them stupider.

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srossi wrote: I really don't understand how in this day and age people can be so stupid with their use of social media, but there is a new pandemic of real people with real profiles attached to real businesses and jobs who are posting pics of the "George Floyd Challenge". This is them mocking the death by kneeling on or having someone kneel on their neck, often while writing or saying "I Can't Breathe". There can be no benefit of the doubt here that they are making a statement about rioters or supporting cops or whatever, they are simply mocking a murder that almost everyone recognizes as senseless and tragic except the most hardened racists.

And so then what happens? They get fired, their businesses get ruined, etc. It's happened a bunch of times already. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? Can no one just sit around with their racist like-minded friends and make these jokes anymore? They have to make them worldwide so that everyone knows? They can't even set up a fake troll account to do it? I don't understand who thinks it's worth it. And then these people beg for forgiveness when they think that just looking at a cop funny is worth the death penalty. Fuck them.

There's this sweet-looking grandma from Eugene, Oregon who did this.  She runs a business that is ruined.  Her Yelp page had to be taken down and her landlord is looking to force her out.  Her page is covered with pics of her kids and grandkids who are getting death threats now.  Everyone involved had to take down their Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. but the screen shots of the private info and photos are out there forever.  The business had to disconnect its phone.  You really want to get your grandkids killed and lose your business over a bad joke?  Everyone knows exactly who you are and can find you in 5 seconds if they stake out your business whose address is posted everywhere.  They can probably even find your home address in 5 seconds.  And there's plenty of younger people who are doing the same thing, so it's not just an age thing.

I watched in bemusement yesterday as a lady I know who substitute taught at a school I worked at in NC totally tanked her ability to work in the district by posting one of those memes talking about what a terrible person Floyd was on FB.   In and of itself she has that prerogative but NOT WHEN YOU ARE SO STUPID as to have some of the students you have taught as FB friends.  Of course several of the students are black and they rightfully started roasting her ass.   They let her know that screenshots would be sent to the central office etc.    
I learned long ago that in this age of email and other info sharing technology, you can leave a vapor trail of things said in person but never, never leave a “paper” trail.   

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gwlee7 wrote: srossi wrote: I really don't understand how in this day and age people can be so stupid with their use of social media, but there is a new pandemic of real people with real profiles attached to real businesses and jobs who are posting pics of the "George Floyd Challenge". This is them mocking the death by kneeling on or having someone kneel on their neck, often while writing or saying "I Can't Breathe". There can be no benefit of the doubt here that they are making a statement about rioters or supporting cops or whatever, they are simply mocking a murder that almost everyone recognizes as senseless and tragic except the most hardened racists.

And so then what happens? They get fired, their businesses get ruined, etc. It's happened a bunch of times already. What the fuck do you think is going to happen? Can no one just sit around with their racist like-minded friends and make these jokes anymore? They have to make them worldwide so that everyone knows? They can't even set up a fake troll account to do it? I don't understand who thinks it's worth it. And then these people beg for forgiveness when they think that just looking at a cop funny is worth the death penalty. Fuck them.

There's this sweet-looking grandma from Eugene, Oregon who did this.  She runs a business that is ruined.  Her Yelp page had to be taken down and her landlord is looking to force her out.  Her page is covered with pics of her kids and grandkids who are getting death threats now.  Everyone involved had to take down their Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc. but the screen shots of the private info and photos are out there forever.  The business had to disconnect its phone.  You really want to get your grandkids killed and lose your business over a bad joke?  Everyone knows exactly who you are and can find you in 5 seconds if they stake out your business whose address is posted everywhere.  They can probably even find your home address in 5 seconds.  And there's plenty of younger people who are doing the same thing, so it's not just an age thing.

I watched in bemusement yesterday as a lady I know who substitute taught at a school I worked at in NC totally tanked her ability to work in the district by posting one of those memes talking about what a terrible person Floyd was on FB.   In and of itself she has that prerogative but NOT WHEN YOU ARE SO STUPID as to have some of the students you have taught as FB friends.  Of course several of the students are black and they rightfully started roasting her ass.   They let her know that screenshots would be sent to the central office etc.    
I learned long ago that in this age of email and other info sharing technology, you can leave a vapor trail of things said in person but never, never leave a “paper” trail.  

My wife is a teacher and has run into the same thing.  A teacher at mt wife's school in the Bronx posted some stuff that was borderline racist about George racist, but in particular she paraphrased Trump about "shithole countries" and used that to describe the Bronx.  My wife doesn't personally know that teacher, but the screen shots have been sent around and my wife's principal and union rep assured everyone during a conference call yesterday that the this person will certainly lose her job as she can no longer ever teach in the Bronx again.  When pressed if the teacher will be shuffled somewhere else, the union rep said it's "highly unlikely".  The rank-and-file union members said they are monitoring the situation and if they see her name pop up somewhere else next year, they're going to cause trouble.  The union is not going to support this person.   

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Truly we should accept giving feral strangers veto power over our lives and livelihoods. Some here think the wave's going to lap up against their feet and then recede. Good luck believing that. Sooner or later, you too will be sitting chastened in your own struggle session.

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Three of the four fired Minneapolis police officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd, excluding the former officer Derek Chauvin who knelt on his neck for so long, appeared in court yesterday and the Minneapolis Star Tribune today printed information about their backgrounds. It turns out that two of the guys were rookies. One of them was on only his third ever shift, J Alexander Kueng, and the other, Thomas K Lane, was only in his fourth day as an officer. Tou Thao, the other veteran officer, and his attorney didn't indicate how they intend to fight the charges and concentrated instead on getting his bail reduced to an amount that would make it feasible for him to get out of jail while awaiting charges. The rookies and their attorneys did, however.

The attorneys representing the rookies stated that their clients were highly inexperienced officers who deferred to the senior officers on the scene. Lane twice suggested rolling Floyd from face down to on his side, but was rebuffed. Kueng later checked for a pulse, stated he could not find one, but was also rebuffed with Chauvin remaining in a kneeling position on Floyd's neck. I think that because both rookies don't have enough invested in MPD service time when it comes to things like pensions, benefits, and high pay that they'll attempt to cooperate with the government in exchange for leniency, perhaps via plea bargains to get shorter sentences. 

This case, needless to say, has major political implications. The Minnesota State Attorney General Keith Ellison has taken charge and moved Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and his office aside. Ellison is very politically ambitious. He was once the congressman from the Minneapolis seat now held by Ilhan Omar. He could have held that seat forever. No Republican has held the congressional seat in the MN-5 district since 1963 and I doubt any will again. Ellison's predecessor Martin Sabo held the seat held for 14 terms and would have held it longer had he not retired, rising to #21 in seniority and having key committee seats.

Ellison could have lasted at least that long, but instead chose to not seek reelection and instead run for State AG. His ambitions clearly run greater, either for Governor or Senator, or perhaps in a key cabinet position when at some point the Democrats regain the Presidency, whether that happens in this election with Biden or down the line. Ellison might not be willing to let the rookies slide much or at all if he thinks he can get Chauvin on the most serious charges without making any deals. Ellison is mindful of the public reaction and how it will impact his own career. He won’t be lenient to the rookies or the other vet for the sake of showing compassion. Leniency will only come if it benefits his main goal of making sure Chauvin goes away for good.

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Depending on which way this all goes, we could see a lot of people trying the "just following orders" defence.

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tamalie wrote: Three of the four fired Minneapolis police officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd, excluding the former officer Derek Chauvin who knelt on his neck for so long, appeared in court yesterday and the Minneapolis Star Tribune today printed information about their backgrounds. It turns out that two of the guys were rookies. One of them was on only his third ever shift, J Alexander Kueng, and the other, Thomas K Lane, was only in his fourth day as an officer. Tou Thao, the other veteran officer, and his attorney didn't indicate how they intend to fight the charges and concentrated instead on getting his bail reduced to an amount that would make it feasible for him to get out of jail while awaiting charges. The rookies and their attorneys did, however.

The attorneys representing the rookies stated that their clients were highly inexperienced officers who deferred to the senior officers on the scene. Lane twice suggested rolling Floyd from face down to on his side, but was rebuffed. Kueng later checked for a pulse, stated he could not find one, but was also rebuffed with Chauvin remaining in a kneeling position on Floyd's neck. I think that because both rookies don't have enough invested in MPD service time when it comes to things like pensions, benefits, and high pay that they'll attempt to cooperate with the government in exchange for leniency, perhaps via plea bargains to get shorter sentences. 

This case, needless to say, has major political implications. The Minnesota State Attorney General Keith Ellison has taken charge and moved Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and his office aside. Ellison is very politically ambitious. He was once the congressman from the Minneapolis seat now held by Ilhan Omar. He could have held that seat forever. No Republican has held the congressional seat in the MN-5 district since 1963 and I doubt any will again. Ellison's predecessor Martin Sabo held the seat held for 14 terms and would have held it longer had he not retired, rising to #21 in seniority and having key committee seats.

Ellison could have lasted at least that long, but instead chose to not seek reelection and instead run for State AG. His ambitions clearly run greater, either for Governor or Senator, or perhaps in a key cabinet position when at some point the Democrats regain the Presidency, whether that happens in this election with Biden or down the line. Ellison might not be willing to let the rookies slide much or at all if he thinks he can get Chauvin on the most serious charges without making any deals. Ellison is mindful of the public reaction and how it will impact his own career. He won’t be lenient to the rookies or the other vet for the sake of showing compassion. Leniency will only come if it benefits his main goal of making sure Chauvin goes away for good.

When you're a brain surgeon and you fuck up your first day on the job, you don't get sympathetic pats on the back.  You're expected to know your shit.  If these cops didn't, then shut down every police academy in the country but you're admitting that they're not preparing these losers properly. 

But really, training and experience isn't the issue.  The issue is that in order to be a cop you have to check morality and common sense at the door.  These guys knew what they were seeing and like all things involved cops, they made a conscious decision to ignore it and to cease being a human being.  If an accountant his first day on the job sees his boss murdering someone in the beak room, he still steps in to intervene.  This will happen for 2 reasons: 1) as a human being he likely will not be able to help himself and he will simply react, consequences be damned and 2) even if he spends 3 seconds to think about it, he knows he's in the right, his boss is in the wrong, and he won't be fired or ever have to see that boss again.  But with the cops, you know going in that there are no consequences to this type of behavior and you're the one who will get in trouble or even Serpico'd.  So fuck these guys for signing up for that.  They're guilty, period.

I also want to point out that if the inexperience excuse wasn't used, the too much experience excuse would be used.  How often have we heard, " Give the guy a break, he's become jaded after being threatened and assaulted and having to deal with the worst dregs of society for so many years.  He's only human, eventually he'll snap."  So which is it?  Or is there never a time when a cop should do the right thing? 

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KGB wrote: Truly we should accept giving feral strangers veto power over our lives and livelihoods. Some here think the wave's going to lap up against their feet and then recede. Good luck believing that. Sooner or later, you too will be sitting chastened in your own struggle session.
Here's a great example.  Some broad who was on Glee, Lea Michele, did the typical genuflection about how awful white people are.  Another actress, black, who had a minor, short-term role on the show heard about it and complained that Michele had behaved poorly to her during her time on set.  She had, wait for it, microagressed her.  As a result, she lost her job as a spokesman for the prepared meal company HelloFresh. 
 
She lost her job while she was engaged in boilerplate virtue signaling!  What due process was she accorded?  And don't give me the bullshit about the legal system vs. private punishment.  That went out the window at least a decade ago.  People are being de-personed for having the wrong opinion.  They're shut out from participation in the most ubiquitous forms of public communication.  They're being kicked out of banking platforms.  They're losing their livelihoods.  But go ahead and keep thinking you're safe, keep believing they'll eat you last. 
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52903265

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KGB wrote: KGB wrote: Truly we should accept giving feral strangers veto power over our lives and livelihoods. Some here think the wave's going to lap up against their feet and then recede. Good luck believing that. Sooner or later, you too will be sitting chastened in your own struggle session.
Here's a great example.  Some broad who was on Glee, Lea Michele, did the typical genuflection about how awful white people are.  Another actress, black, who had a minor, short-term role on the show heard about it and complained that Michele had behaved poorly to her during her time on set.  She had, wait for it, microagressed her.  As a result, she lost her job as a spokesman for the prepared meal company HelloFresh. 
 
She lost her job while she was engaged in boilerplate virtue signaling!  What due process was she accorded?  And don't give me the bullshit about the legal system vs. private punishment.  That went out the window at least a decade ago.  People are being de-personed for having the wrong opinion.  They're shut out from participation in the most ubiquitous forms of public communication.  They're being kicked out of banking platforms.  They're losing their livelihoods.  But go ahead and keep thinking you're safe, keep believing they'll eat you last. 
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-52903265

Yeah, yeah, and we talk about that bullshit all the time here.  But that's not what the above is about obviously.  These aren't microaggressions, so this post it totally off-topic.

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So I saw the quote where Trump said that this was "a great day for Floyd" and I though it had to be fake.  But here's  the real clip of him saying that a guy who died is having a great day because unemployment numbers are still worse than Great Depression level but slightly not quite as bad as expected.  And he's not trolling, this is his "I'm sincere, but I really do have dementia" voice.  Just for the record, after I die I don't give a flying fuck if all of you lose your jobs.  Just saying.


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“They” need to stop talking about Biden’s verbal gaffes.

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Seems like both sides talk about each other’s verbal gaffes frequently

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Franchise wrote: Seems like both sides talk about each other’s verbal gaffes frequently
Fair point.   Word salads for everyone !!

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gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: Seems like both sides talk about each other’s verbal gaffes frequently
Fair point.   Word salads for everyone !!

There will be plenty more to come when these two debate each other. 

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So, if/when Chauvin's case go to trial, where are they going to get s jury? 12 Minnesotans with no opinion on this case? Who haven't seen the video? Gonna be tough.

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Kriss wrote: So, if/when Chauvin's case go to trial, where are they going to get s jury? 12 Minnesotans with no opinion on this case? Who haven't seen the video? Gonna be tough.Well they found a jury for OJ, so....

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So what is the story with this viral video I keep hearing about with a black male telling white females to get on their knees and apologize?

Has anyone seen the entire video?

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Franchise wrote: So what is the story with this viral video I keep hearing about with a black male telling white females to get on their knees and apologize?

Has anyone seen the entire video?I have. It seems VERY staged.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267737942811791360

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It's funny how the conspiracy theorists miss the most obvious conspiracies, like this one:

https://news.yahoo.com/antifa-twitter-account-called-looting-141834707.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb

I remember the day this happened and I said no way is this legit, and everyone on Facebook was going nuts.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yFI0O7SlmXo

This covers a few topics including but not limited to 
The Trump Floyd quote, The removed Trump Floyd twitter video, the dangers of HCQ and The dangers of covi 

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: So what is the story with this viral video I keep hearing about with a black male telling white females to get on their knees and apologize?

Has anyone seen the entire video?I have. It seems VERY staged.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267737942811791360


 The bit I saw seemed staged as well which is why I was curious but I’ll say either way I think it’s a bad look. Making people kneel to any cause worthy or not is probably going to bring anger. 

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As I said would happen, essential workers are being beaten and arrested by the dozens in NYC for violating a curfew that they’re exempt from. De Blasio is just a disgrace, every bit as bad as Trump.

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I have a video camera and video editing software and some decent microphones. I think I should hang up some “official” looking backdrops and start spewing some wackadoo bullshit too. You know, just because.

I bet if I act just serious enough people will believe me.

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gwlee7 wrote: I have a video camera and video editing software and some decent microphones. I think I should hang up some “official” looking backdrops and start spewing some wackadoo bullshit too. You know, just because.

I bet if I act just serious enough people will believe me.


Send me a link to your channel I’ll check it out 

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Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I have a video camera and video editing software and some decent microphones. I think I should hang up some “official” looking backdrops and start spewing some wackadoo bullshit too. You know, just because.

I bet if I act just serious enough people will believe me.


Send me a link to your channel I’ll check it out 

If I do it, there will also be big blinking letters. THIS IS NOT REAL!!!

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gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I have a video camera and video editing software and some decent microphones. I think I should hang up some “official” looking backdrops and start spewing some wackadoo bullshit too. You know, just because.

I bet if I act just serious enough people will believe me.


Send me a link to your channel I’ll check it out 

If I do it, there will also be big blinking letters. THIS IS NOT REAL!!!

I’m out, I only like real news 

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Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: I have a video camera and video editing software and some decent microphones. I think I should hang up some “official” looking backdrops and start spewing some wackadoo bullshit too. You know, just because.

I bet if I act just serious enough people will believe me.


Send me a link to your channel I’ll check it out 

If I do it, there will also be big blinking letters. THIS IS NOT REAL!!!

I’m out, I only like real news 

Okay I won’t put the blinking letters. 

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What’s your issue with Tim? He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company.

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Franchise wrote: What’s your issue with Tim? He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company.
I don't know much about him, but based on "He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company" I'm going to agree that he's a "wackadoo".  I know he flip-flops between supporting Sanders and Trump, so honestly he just sounds like a confused populist who agrees with many dangerous ideas from both sides, which is not really indicative of a serious journalist.     

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He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

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Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: What’s your issue with Tim? He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company.
I don't know much about him, but based on "He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company" I'm going to agree that he's a "wackadoo".  I know he flip-flops between supporting Sanders and Trump, so honestly he just sounds like a confused populist who agrees with many dangerous ideas from both sides, which is not really indicative of a serious journalist.     


Tim liked Bernie in 2016 but lost interest in him this go around due to Bernies flip flopping according to him. 
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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.
I'm surprised you haven't seen through Rogan. He may have started out with great intentions, but since he became insanely popular he seems to have sold his soul.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.
I'm surprised you haven't seen through Rogan. He may have started out with great intentions, but since he became insanely popular he seems to have sold his soul.

I only watch clips here and there. I don’t have time to watch full podcasts. I’m not aware of a particular change in him, I just think he talks about interesting things. He’s always had some quirks like the LSD stuff that I roll my eyes at a bit. How has he sold out?

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.
I'm surprised you haven't seen through Rogan. He may have started out with great intentions, but since he became insanely popular he seems to have sold his soul.

I only watch clips here and there. I don’t have time to watch full podcasts. I’m not aware of a particular change in him, I just think he talks about interesting things. He’s always had some quirks like the LSD stuff that I roll my eyes at a bit. How has he sold out?
He's done a complete about face on all of the most loved conspiracy theories. When he started off he was 100% the Moon Landings didn't happen. He was also a complete doubter on the 911's, Kennedy, and Roswell aliens. He's done a total turnabout on all of that stuff. He once tried to speak the truth but incredible popularity along the way has changed him. Don't get me wrong, he still does some amazing shows. His recent one about the Manson Family was incredible. But Joe now seems to be bought and paid for by the mystical PTB.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.
I'm surprised you haven't seen through Rogan. He may have started out with great intentions, but since he became insanely popular he seems to have sold his soul.

I only watch clips here and there. I don’t have time to watch full podcasts. I’m not aware of a particular change in him, I just think he talks about interesting things. He’s always had some quirks like the LSD stuff that I roll my eyes at a bit. How has he sold out?
He's done a complete about face on all of the most loved conspiracy theories. When he started off he was 100% the Moon Landings didn't happen. He was also a complete doubter on the 911's, Kennedy, and Roswell aliens. He's done a total turnabout on all of that stuff. He once tried to speak the truth but incredible popularity along the way has changed him. Don't get me wrong, he still does some amazing shows. His recent one about the Manson Family was incredible. But Joe now seems to be bought and paid for by the mystical PTB.

Well some of is conspiracy theories were nuts, so maybe it's real growth and not selling out.  The one thing that caught my eye was the "controversy" last year when he supported Sanders and then Sanders supporters said they didn't want him.  That was a shit-show, and Rogan should've known better than to support a socialist.  That really turned me off.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: He’s not, he’s pretty normal. He has been on Rogan and Crowder. He Co promoted an event last year that had to be moved due to antifa threats; Daryl Davis was the headline speaker.

It cool though everyone has who they like.

There’s no one in podcasting who I like more than Joe Rogan, and it’s important to give a voice to different perspectives, but Rogan interviews tons of nuts.
I'm surprised you haven't seen through Rogan. He may have started out with great intentions, but since he became insanely popular he seems to have sold his soul.

I only watch clips here and there. I don’t have time to watch full podcasts. I’m not aware of a particular change in him, I just think he talks about interesting things. He’s always had some quirks like the LSD stuff that I roll my eyes at a bit. How has he sold out?
He's done a complete about face on all of the most loved conspiracy theories. When he started off he was 100% the Moon Landings didn't happen. He was also a complete doubter on the 911's, Kennedy, and Roswell aliens. He's done a total turnabout on all of that stuff. He once tried to speak the truth but incredible popularity along the way has changed him. Don't get me wrong, he still does some amazing shows. His recent one about the Manson Family was incredible. But Joe now seems to be bought and paid for by the mystical PTB.

Well some of is conspiracy theories were nuts, so maybe it's real growth and not selling out.  The one thing that caught my eye was the "controversy" last year when he supported Sanders and then Sanders supporters said they didn't want him.  That was a shit-show, and Rogan should've known better than to support a socialist.  That really turned me off.
I hear you. But the conspiracy theories he used to discuss at length were the blue chip ones as I mentioned in the last post. I can understand he if said "I believe it was only Lee Harvey Oswald who shot Kennedy and here is why". But he didn't, he just went totally mainstream thought patterns on everything. If Joe is about to tell me why Amanda Nunes is the G.O.A.T., I'm all ears, but nowadays, I find him a total sellout.

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Franchise wrote: What’s your issue with Tim? He worked for Vice and fusion media, is a lifelong liberal That started his own independent news company.
I don’t know anything about him.   I just assume (and quite possibly wrongly) that he’s just another YouTube conspiracy wackadoo.   I am biased I guess by all the right wing crazy shit that people I grew up link to constantly. I will give him a listen.  

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Steve Austin has now broken Twitter by coming out strongly against the Confederate flag as a symbol of racism. As a self-proclaimed "redneck", this has apparently rocked his fan base to its core, so they're cancelling him or whatever the Republican version of that is.

I also want to reiterate again that JBL is acting like MLK on Twitter lately, and apparently one of the strange revelations to come out of all this is that he was a Bush supporter who became a never-Trumper.  I honestly never expected that from him and thought he'd be all about Trump, but apparently he never forgave Trump for the things he said about Jeb Bush and hates him.  Interesting. 

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When Shaun King is right, you know 2020 is a weird year. Is the left finally realizing that Democrats don’t care about them either?

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srossi wrote:

I also want to reiterate again that JBL is acting like MLK on Twitter lately
Hahaha...you win the internet today Rossi.

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Now Mitt Romney is leading a group of Christian protestors on a march in front of the White House.

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Keith Lee is wearing trunks that say “Black Lives Matter” on them for NXT Takeover tonight, which is the first time I can ever recall an overt political position on ring gear on all my decades watching wrestling. I wonder if HHH was able to clear that or if it had to go all the way up to Vince.

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Another story on the Camden NJ police department.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/nyregion/camden-turns-around-with-new-police-force.html?smid=tw-share
https://www.governing.com/topics/public-justice-safety/gov-camden-disbands-police-force-for-new-department.html

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We've just about reached peak absurdity.  Honestly, with the fag rag covering his mouth, it looks like he's laughing his ass off.  


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I am not a fan of Jacob Frey, but will cut him slack on crying at the memorial service. George Lloyd's body was in a coffin right in front of him, the service itself was emotional, and Frey has been under a heaping amount of largely deserved pressure and criticism over so many things. I think it all hit him at once that he's really screwed up and is in over his head.

A rally was held at Powderhorn Park in south Minneapolis yesterday, a few blocks from where George Floyd was killed. At the rally enough Minneapolis City Council members pledged to defund and dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department as currently structured that any Mayoral veto would be overridden. Mayor Jacob Frey at a rally on Saturday had said he favored restructuring the MPD rather than tearing it down. The demonstrators responded by booing him off the stage. He then left the rally entirely.

What does dismantling the MPD really mean? Some of the city council members are already hedging bets a bit, noting that this isn't something that can happen overnight and there must be a ready to implement plan for what would follow before the process could even begin. My take is whatever follows, be it the Minneapolis Department of Public Safety or some other name, it will look a lot like a conventional police department and will include members of the current police force in large numbers. This defunding and dismantling is really about breaking the union, getting rid of certain officers with bad reps and documented complaints, and flushing out long term leadership that has stood in the way of past reforms while enabling the brutal and racist behavior of so many officers. A lot of the people who support this move will likely be quite disappointed by the result.

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Was there really "brutal and racist behavior" on the part of "many" officers? That's a pretty loaded accusation. I'm no cop sucker, and the profession does attract an abnormal amount of aggressive meat heads, but, like almost every government job, it's also the home of a huge number of don't-rock-the-boat types who just want to ride out their time and retire early with a pension with as little hassle as possible.

As for defunding the police, I'm currently on board with it. Maybe it'll put a stop to all these patronizing emails I'm getting from corporate America about how grieved they are over the current situation. My reasoning is that the CEO's and other people penning these screeds are the ones who benefit most from the presence of law enforcement. Let's see how they react when that line of defense disappears between their communities and the violent element of "protesters" that has heretofore been mostly confined to their own neck of the woods. When it's open season on their subdivisions perhaps they'll have a rethink. But even if they're still singing kumbaya to blacks as their homes go up in flames, what do I care? They hate me, they hate normal citizens, and they invite and facilitate the mindset that triggers the kind of destruction they're so flippant about. Racial holy rollers, the lot of them.

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KGB, keep in mind that my use of many didn't equate to meaning majority. It stood for the fact that MPD officers generally have a bad reputation for racism, unnecessary use of force, and brutality due to the conduct of a good number of them. The latter two of those three also don't equate to police killings, but rather to over the line stuff like chokeholds, knight stick shots, and generally roughing up people who are under control and pose no imminent threat.

I wish I had the stats at hand, but a reporter from the CBS affiliate had a stat comparing Minneapolis police brutality and civil rights violations to that of St. Paul. The former has about 430,000 citizens and the latter has about 310,000. Numerically and on a per capita basis, the number of complaints resulting in officer discipline coming out of Minneapolis dwarfed that of St. Paul by a considerable margin.

This is anecdotal. A friend who is very liberal socially but tends to be sort of a common sense law and order guy flat out told me of the many MPD cops he's met through his wife's career (she isn't involved in law enforcement by the way), virtually every one of them has been a racist and not very shy about hiding it. He said that while he wasn't in favor personally of burning down police stations, that racism manifesting itself on the job could certainly explain, if not excuse, why people did that.

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This came up on my Facebook feed today. I've never heard of this guy before seeing this but he seems to have quite a devoted following. He breaks down in a linear fashion virtually everything that's wrong with the modern policing. It's amazingly written, poignant, and uproariously hilarious in some spots. It's a bit long clocking in at 33 minutes, but to me, it's worth every second. John Oliver from HBO.






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Oliver has had a show on HBO for some time now, with various deeper dives into a large variety of topics. Haven't watched this one yet, but will.

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WongLee wrote: This came up on my Facebook feed today. I've never heard of this guy before seeing this but he seems to have quite a devoted following. He breaks down in a linear fashion virtually everything that's wrong with the modern policing. It's amazingly written, poignant, and uproariously hilarious in some spots. It's a bit long clocking in at 33 minutes, but to me, it's worth every second. John Oliver from HBO.

You’ve never heard of John Oliver?  He’s one of several people who became huge stars off of “The Daily Show” and then got his own show. He’s been big for years now. I’ll have to check this out. 

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Well now we're getting serious reform. "Cops", "Live PD" and similar shows are being removed from TV schedules en masse, and there's a petition out to ask Netflix to remove a few documentary-type shows that glorify cops (which Netflix is supposedly taking seriously).

Now this is all bullshit and the exact type of frivolous thing I'd expect in the absence of balls to demand real change, but if this starts a trend over the decades, I can't say it'll be a bad thing. I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah.  It was unintentionally hilarious that it's a pig cartoon though, but I still turned it off and told my son that cops are never there to help.  This brainwashing is as hard to overcome as the religious shit that is indoctrinated into kids from birth. I think it has a real affect on people. So at least when it comes to cartoons, I'm all about getting this shit off TV as long as it's a voluntary private decision and not mandated by government. I don't see the point of screwing with adult shows. Rednecks and bootlickers need their porn too to keep them off the streets.

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: This came up on my Facebook feed today. I've never heard of this guy before seeing this but he seems to have quite a devoted following. He breaks down in a linear fashion virtually everything that's wrong with the modern policing. It's amazingly written, poignant, and uproariously hilarious in some spots. It's a bit long clocking in at 33 minutes, but to me, it's worth every second. John Oliver from HBO.

You’ve never heard of John Oliver?  He’s one of several people who became huge stars off of “The Daily Show” and then got his own show. He’s been big for years now. I’ll have to check this out.
Yeah honest to Shiva I never heard of him. I watch very little TV and virtually no HBO. Plus, with the little I do watch I really don't feel like watching whiny liberals spouting off on their latest cause.

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srossi wrote: Well now we're getting serious reform. "Cops", "Live PD" and similar shows are being removed from TV schedules en masse, and there's a petition out to ask Netflix to remove a few documentary-type shows that glorify cops (which Netflix is supposedly taking seriously).

Now this is all bullshit and the exact type of frivolous thing I'd expect in the absence of balls to demand real change, but if this starts a trend over the decades, I can't say it'll be a bad thing. I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah.  It was unintentionally hilarious that it's a pig cartoon though, but I still turned it off and told my son that cops are never there to help.  This brainwashing is as hard to overcome as the religious shit that is indoctrinated into kids from birth. I think it has a real affect on people. So at least when it comes to cartoons, I'm all about getting this shit off TV as long as it's a voluntary private decision and not mandated by government. I don't see the point of screwing with adult shows. Rednecks and bootlickers need their porn too to keep them off the streets.
Exactly the way I raised my girls and now how my grandkids are being raised. It's funny that they're both married to career military guys who think exactly the same way. Policemen are not your friend.

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All those slashed tires in MN that people assumed rioters were responsible for? Yeah, the cops now admit they did it for reasons that make no sense to anyone but a pig.

https://reason.com/2020/06/08/video-shows-cops-slashing-tires-across-minneapolis-during-george-floyd-protests/

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I can’t believe how quickly things are happening this time as opposed to the hundreds of other times. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/new-york-senate-50-a-police-misconduct-1012357/

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My wife is a teacher so it’s really interesting to see her liberal co-workers terrified of supporting defunding the police and breaking their union because of the precedent it might set for themselves. The teacher’s union has done fuck all to ever help my wife but they do plenty to keep bad teachers employed, just as the police union does. Those bad teachers are willing to support killer cops to keep their own jobs.

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srossi wrote: I can’t believe how quickly things are happening this time as opposed to the hundreds of other times. 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/new-york-senate-50-a-police-misconduct-1012357/
I think it was the open letter by Billie Eilish and Justin Beiber that put this in the Win column for police haters...ur...ummm....I mean "bad" police haters.

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srossi wrote: My wife is a teacher so it’s really interesting to see her liberal co-workers terrified of supporting defunding the police and breaking their union because of the precedent it might set for themselves. The teacher’s union has done fuck all to ever help my wife but they do plenty to keep bad teachers employed, just as the police union does. Those bad teachers are willing to support killer cops to keep their own jobs.No one will ever break the UFT. In the words of Archie Bunker it's run by "seven savage Jews that won't leave a scrap on your bones."

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srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

Police face a firing squad at every traffic stop?  You should take Patrick Lynch’s job. Lol

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

 I use to love watching Peppa Pig with my son. The humor on that show was cute.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: kargol wrote: srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

 I use to love watching Peppa Pig with my son. The humor on that show was cute.
 
Peppa Pig has its moments, but there's an Australian cartoon called "Bluey" that is miles above Peppa Pig in humor, intelligence, and heart. 

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kargol wrote: srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

From my observations, the old bill is mostly affirmative action hires these days, and they spend much of their time policing speech and thought.  At best they're completely useless, and at worst they're a threat to the ancient rights treasured by the Anglosphere. 

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srossi wrote: I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.
My point exactly. 

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What the fuck is OANN? I saw the clip that people think Trump saw, and it's a batshit crazy video with a voice-over from a voice-synthesizer. I can understand, somewhat, that people might support Trump's broad "America First" "MAGA" policies. I don't understand how anyone can seriously support the man himself.

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Kriss wrote: What the fuck is OANN? I saw the clip that people think Trump saw, and it's a batshit crazy video with a voice-over from a voice-synthesizer. I can understand, somewhat, that people might support Trump's broad "America First" "MAGA" policies. I don't understand how anyone can seriously support the man himself.
OANN is a network. 
Think Alex Jones x Fox News

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NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

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Fantastic.

If you're not following the Swann Street siege story this morning, it's incredible.

Yesterday evening, D.C. police forced a large group of peaceful protesters and demonstrators into a residential neighborhood in a tactic known as "kettling."

Kettling is a military technique to encircle people, to box them in on all sides, into a smaller and smaller and smaller space where they can't retreat or escape from. In American protests, it's often accompanied by police forces taking advantage of the fact that protesters can't retreat to inflict maximum harm with teargas, batons, and other weapons for an extended period before doing mass arrests.

It's not a dispersement technique, it's the complete opposite -- it's a technique of intense aggression, and it's controversial because it's seldom used in good faith and often results in intense prolonged violence, with the intention of also cutting everyone caught in the kettle off from medics, aid, food, water, the ability to leave, etc.

Last night, D.C. police pushed demonstrators into a residential neighborhood in an attempt to kettle them. But residents of the neighborhood had been watching, and threw open their front doors to protesters, including a first-generation Indian-American man named Rahul Dubey.

Rahul and his neighbors sheltered a hundred people or more, between them, for eight hours last night, including having teargas fired at their homes and having the police try to enter their private property several times through various methods. They were rebuked and dispelled every time.

Rahul and his neighbors orchestrated food, medical aid, and lawyers during the siege, including ensuring protesters had safe escorts this morning.

You can read the first-person accounts from the people who were trapped there:

Allison Lane: https://twitter.com/allieblablah
Meka from the 307: https://twitter.com/MekaFromThe703

And you can read Marcella Robertson's coverage on her timeline here, including Rahul's speech to media this morning: https://twitter.com/Marcella_Rob

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KGB wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: kargol wrote: srossi wrote:  I was watching "Peppa Pig" with my son a few days ago and it had a show about how "everyone likes cops" and they're their to help and blah blah blah. Peppa Pig is British though.  We have a very different relationship.  Our rozzers aren't routinely armed and they don't want to be, for starters.  So policing is far more community-based.
Of course, it's also a lot safer here, we don't have a Second Amendment that people think gives them the right to wield AK47s so the police don't face a firing squad every time they ask about a dodgy rear light.

 I use to love watching Peppa Pig with my son. The humor on that show was cute.
 
Peppa Pig has its moments, but there's an Australian cartoon called "Bluey" that is miles above Peppa Pig in humor, intelligence, and heart. 


Bluey is the shit! I have something like 20 half hour shows on our DVR saved. My son loves Bluey.

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srossi wrote: Fantastic.

If you're not following the Swann Street siege story this morning, it's incredible.

Yesterday evening, D.C. police forced a large group of peaceful protesters and demonstrators into a residential neighborhood in a tactic known as "kettling."

Kettling is a military technique to encircle people, to box them in on all sides, into a smaller and smaller and smaller space where they can't retreat or escape from. In American protests, it's often accompanied by police forces taking advantage of the fact that protesters can't retreat to inflict maximum harm with teargas, batons, and other weapons for an extended period before doing mass arrests.

It's not a dispersement technique, it's the complete opposite -- it's a technique of intense aggression, and it's controversial because it's seldom used in good faith and often results in intense prolonged violence, with the intention of also cutting everyone caught in the kettle off from medics, aid, food, water, the ability to leave, etc.

Last night, D.C. police pushed demonstrators into a residential neighborhood in an attempt to kettle them. But residents of the neighborhood had been watching, and threw open their front doors to protesters, including a first-generation Indian-American man named Rahul Dubey.

Rahul and his neighbors sheltered a hundred people or more, between them, for eight hours last night, including having teargas fired at their homes and having the police try to enter their private property several times through various methods. They were rebuked and dispelled every time.

Rahul and his neighbors orchestrated food, medical aid, and lawyers during the siege, including ensuring protesters had safe escorts this morning.

You can read the first-person accounts from the people who were trapped there:

Allison Lane: https://twitter.com/allieblablah
Meka from the 307: https://twitter.com/MekaFromThe703

And you can read Marcella Robertson's coverage on her timeline here, including Rahul's speech to media this morning: https://twitter.com/Marcella_Rob
This made me literally tear up. That's what a hero looks like pigs.

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A guy who participated in the Minneapolis riots posted to social media an account of his conduct on the night the 3rd precinct police station was burned down, including posing in photos and/or videos with items he looted including body armor, a knight stick, a radio, and a clip for a 9mm pistol although not the gun to go with it. His employer got wind of this and fired him. He showed up there later in the day, presumably to get his stuff since there has been no accusation of him going there with any ill intent. The St. Paul PD was called and the guy was arrested. He has since admitted to being inside the police station while it was on fire, including pushing a barrel into the fire to fuel it. He has priors for trespassing and interfering with a 911 call, in the latter case pleading down to that as a way of getting charges dropped for domestic assault, property damage, disorderly conduct, and trespassing. Upon learning of his kid's latest arrest, his father was quoted by the Minneapolis Star Tribune as saying about his son, “He has grandiose ideas, a lot of them … and zero common sense.” 

In an odd sidelight, the newspaper had previously run a story about cleanup efforts in the riot zone after the trouble ended. Among many damaged buildings was a large liquor store across the street from the police station that had been torched with the fire department unable to get to the scene because of the chaos in the streets. As looters fled the building while the fire got out of control, people on the street shouted that someone who had gone in hadn't come out. The fire was too much for anyone to go back in to check. During the cleanup effort, the same person from the matter described above was named as one of the people who'd defied barriers and fire department warnings about the burned up structure being dangerously unstable to go in and dig through the rubble in search of the possibly missing person. At this point no one has been found or reported missing, so likely the belief someone was trapped in the burning building was mistaken. The only plausible possibility of someone perishing at this point would be if it was someone from a nearby homeless encampment who'd either not be noticed as missing or not reported as such.

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Defunding the police is a constant local news story here in Phoenix. Protests every day. Hilarious. Bunch of dumb fucks.

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.
My point exactly. 


Probably not the best example.  The man in question is well known to be a long-time provocateur and agitator.  Video exists of him, just prior to the incident, telling incredulous blacks outside City Hall that he was there "to have fun".  Video of the incident clearly depicts him trying to skim the cell phones of the officers just moments before being shoved.  So I'm not seeing where Trump's tweet in any way diverges from demonstrable fact.  

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.
My point exactly. 


Probably not the best example.  The man in question is well known to be a long-time provocateur and agitator.  Video exists of him, just prior to the incident, telling incredulous blacks outside City Hall that he was there "to have fun".  Video of the incident clearly depicts him trying to skim the cell phones of the officers just moments before being shoved.  So I'm not seeing where Trump's tweet in any way diverges from demonstrable fact.  

LOL.

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: I do not blame Trump for anything at all surrounding this death, or any other cop-related death, because this shit has been going on for decades. But without a doubt, the one thing that Trump has completely normalized, in this and every other instance, is for elected officials and "respected" people to pontificate wildly and publicly about ridiculous conspiracy theories that they fully admit to not having thought through very well. It's absolutely nothing now for someone who actually has authority to post shit that 10 years ago even the local meth-head would think twice about saying. The only slight difference is that the "respected" person sometimes might ask it as a question, or just be like, "Hey, I'm throwing this out there, but has anyone wondered if maybe...?" while clearly serving as a tacit endorsement just by being an important person who's putting it out there. And that's 100% Trump and his retweeting of Alex Jones and a thousand other crazy stuff. And I really defy any of the Trump supporters here to deny that one.
My point exactly. 


Probably not the best example.  The man in question is well known to be a long-time provocateur and agitator.  Video exists of him, just prior to the incident, telling incredulous blacks outside City Hall that he was there "to have fun".  Video of the incident clearly depicts him trying to skim the cell phones of the officers just moments before being shoved.  So I'm not seeing where Trump's tweet in any way diverges from demonstrable fact. 

It's actually the best possible example but you'll never see it.  You can't be taken seriously.  I know you think you're above it all, but you're one step from being a flat earther if Trump tells you to be.

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Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?

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KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
Can you explain what he was doing with his phone, because it is not clear to me.

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KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.
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Dave Chappelle released a raw 25-minute comedy special taped a few days with social distancing.  A little funny but mainly a very powerful rant.  Chappelle has been better than ever the last few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tR6mKcBbT4

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you.

No dodge, you're asking me to prove something pulled out of your president's ass (not as a fact but as a question to give him deniability) that you can't prove.  Prove you weren't dropped on your head.  That's not how proof works.

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

Again... explain what "skimming" is.

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Kriss wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

Again... explain what "skimming" is.

What the federal government does in its business contracts. 

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Kriss wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

Again... explain what "skimming" is.


It is a way of using a cellphone app or another smart device to essentially hack another device to take the unencrypted information on it. Usually this is used with things like a credit card reader or a bank ATM card reader. The skimmer installs a device atop the official card reader. That official card reader still functions, but the skimming device atop it captures card numbers and PINs. I haven't heard about it as much with phones, but if a guy with the right technology is close enough to your phone and it's unprotected, info can be captured. Was the old guy who got pushed down skimming phones? Is there a photo or a video clip? How could one tell if that was occurring from a video clip or photo anyway? Has a credible source accused him of that act?  

As far as the old guy being a rabble rouser or whatever, every major to midsized metro area and college town in the country has at least one now aged 1960s to 1970s holdover that reasonably well known by the media and general public, remaining actively and visibly involved with what that person and his or her comrades broadly call "The Movement", getting behind the major issue of the day like it's going to be 1968 all over again. Sometimes these relics get arrested on petty misdemeanors for things like trespassing due to participating in the occupation of a public building or defacing public property if a slogan gets painted on a wall. For the most part charges are never pressed after the initial arrest or the accused get a token fine of $150 bucks and time served for the night in jail. 

It looks to me like the cop who shoved him had no intention of knocking him down. I am willing to buy that he lost his footing after being shoved because both of my parents are in their mid 70s and despite being in pretty good health, would likely fall over if someone pushed them that hard as well. It's a sad deal that he hurt his head and is apparently in bad shape, having already been receiving cancer treatment which takes a lot out of anyone let alone someone that old. The big issue was the utter lack of concern displayed by the officer and most of his colleagues, in the moment when the guy was on the deck and since then too. Had he stopped to check on the guy and then called for help, staying with him, he'd still be a heel for pushing the guy over, but would get a little credit for not intending to cause harm after losing his cool while trying to help afterwards.

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tamalie wrote: Kriss wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

Again... explain what "skimming" is.


It is a way of using a cellphone app or another smart device to essentially hack another device to take the unencrypted information on it. Usually this is used with things like a credit card reader or a bank ATM card reader. The skimmer installs a device atop the official card reader. That official card reader still functions, but the skimming device atop it captures card numbers and PINs. I haven't heard about it as much with phones, but if a guy with the right technology is close enough to your phone and it's unprotected, info can be captured. Was the old guy who got pushed down skimming phones? Is there a photo or a video clip? How could one tell if that was occurring from a video clip or photo anyway? Has a credible source accused him of that act?  

As far as the old guy being a rabble rouser or whatever, every major to midsized metro area and college town in the country has at least one now aged 1960s to 1970s holdover that reasonably well known by the media and general public, remaining actively and visibly involved with what that person and his or her comrades broadly call "The Movement", getting behind the major issue of the day like it's going to be 1968 all over again. Sometimes these relics get arrested on petty misdemeanors for things like trespassing due to participating in the occupation of a public building or defacing public property if a slogan gets painted on a wall. For the most part charges are never pressed after the initial arrest or the accused get a token fine of $150 bucks and time served for the night in jail. 

It looks to me like the cop who shoved him had no intention of knocking him down. I am willing to buy that he lost his footing after being shoved because both of my parents are in their mid 70s and despite being in pretty good health, would likely fall over if someone pushed them that hard as well. It's a sad deal that he hurt his head and is apparently in bad shape, having already been receiving cancer treatment which takes a lot out of anyone let alone someone that old. The big issue was the utter lack of concern displayed by the officer and most of his colleagues, in the moment when the guy was on the deck and since then too. Had he stopped to check on the guy and then called for help, staying with him, he'd still be a heel for pushing the guy over, but would get a little credit for not intending to cause harm after losing his cool while trying to help afterwards.

I know what skimming is. My point was that this you can't "skim" someone's phone or their police radio with your phone. Phone skimming refers to stealing credit card information with a mobile phone. Maybe he was trying to steal the cops credit card details?!?! I highly doubt it, and that video proves nothing anyway. I wanted to see if KGB understood.

My take on the guy falling over is that he's 75 years old. If you push a 75-year-old, they're going to fall. Even if he didn't mean it, the really shitty thing was that the next ops first instinct was to help the old man, and the other cop pulled him away, and it took another cop to radio for help, and he was the only one who made a positive move to help the guy. So, however many cops were in that video, there's one who's scum of the earth, one who's nice but weak, only one who has the moral fortitude to the right thing, and the rest just are at beat heartless bastards.

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Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: Kriss wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Well, help me out, pal. What did he write in that tweet that you're struggling with? What did I point out that you're able to refute?
What part of green screens faked the moon landing do you not understand?  There's no wind on the moon idiot!  Refute that, I dare you.  I expect a 500 page report, single-spaced, on my desk by noon.

Nice dodge.  The video shows him skimming the officers radios.  Other video shows him saying he was on the scene to have fun.  Multiple reports exist of this guy being a professional shit-stirrer.  If anyone's tracking into conspiracy theory here, it's you. 

Again... explain what "skimming" is.


It is a way of using a cellphone app or another smart device to essentially hack another device to take the unencrypted information on it. Usually this is used with things like a credit card reader or a bank ATM card reader. The skimmer installs a device atop the official card reader. That official card reader still functions, but the skimming device atop it captures card numbers and PINs. I haven't heard about it as much with phones, but if a guy with the right technology is close enough to your phone and it's unprotected, info can be captured. Was the old guy who got pushed down skimming phones? Is there a photo or a video clip? How could one tell if that was occurring from a video clip or photo anyway? Has a credible source accused him of that act?  

As far as the old guy being a rabble rouser or whatever, every major to midsized metro area and college town in the country has at least one now aged 1960s to 1970s holdover that reasonably well known by the media and general public, remaining actively and visibly involved with what that person and his or her comrades broadly call "The Movement", getting behind the major issue of the day like it's going to be 1968 all over again. Sometimes these relics get arrested on petty misdemeanors for things like trespassing due to participating in the occupation of a public building or defacing public property if a slogan gets painted on a wall. For the most part charges are never pressed after the initial arrest or the accused get a token fine of $150 bucks and time served for the night in jail. 

It looks to me like the cop who shoved him had no intention of knocking him down. I am willing to buy that he lost his footing after being shoved because both of my parents are in their mid 70s and despite being in pretty good health, would likely fall over if someone pushed them that hard as well. It's a sad deal that he hurt his head and is apparently in bad shape, having already been receiving cancer treatment which takes a lot out of anyone let alone someone that old. The big issue was the utter lack of concern displayed by the officer and most of his colleagues, in the moment when the guy was on the deck and since then too. Had he stopped to check on the guy and then called for help, staying with him, he'd still be a heel for pushing the guy over, but would get a little credit for not intending to cause harm after losing his cool while trying to help afterwards.

I know what skimming is. My point was that this you can't "skim" someone's phone or their police radio with your phone. Phone skimming refers to stealing credit card information with a mobile phone. Maybe he was trying to steal the cops credit card details?!?! I highly doubt it, and that video proves nothing anyway. I wanted to see if KGB understood.

My take on the guy falling over is that he's 75 years old. If you push a 75-year-old, they're going to fall. Even if he didn't mean it, the really shitty thing was that the next ops first instinct was to help the old man, and the other cop pulled him away, and it took another cop to radio for help, and he was the only one who made a positive move to help the guy. So, however many cops were in that video, there's one who's scum of the earth, one who's nice but weak, only one who has the moral fortitude to the right thing, and the rest just are at beat heartless bastards.

I'm not sure if the whole argument is better than or worse than the old "He's got a gun!" line, but I will give the alt-right credit for creativity on this one.  But the gun defense is even more plausible than the skimming one.  One thing that never changes though is something completely unidentifiable on a video has become a defense for cops being sub-human once again.

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Sorry Kriss, I misunderstood your question. I had thought a phone could be hacked in the suggested manner although skimming probably isn't the right word for it.

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tamalie wrote: Sorry Kriss, I misunderstood your question. I had thought a phone could be hacked in the suggested manner although skimming probably isn't the right word for it.
I think phone hacking is technically possible if someone leaves their Bluetooth on, but it's not possible just by waving a phone vaguely in front of someone. He was probably just filming or recording what was happening.

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Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: Sorry Kriss, I misunderstood your question. I had thought a phone could be hacked in the suggested manner although skimming probably isn't the right word for it.
I think phone hacking is technically possible if someone leaves their Bluetooth on, but it's not possible just by waving a phone vaguely in front of someone. He was probably just filming or recording what was happening.

What he was, was getting his ass knocked down by the police for no reason other than the police being dicks.  

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So what do we think of Seattle's Autonomous Zone? The Donald is braying like a donkey that if the libtard guvna' and sissy boi mayor don't stop this, he will. I'm going back to something I said near the beginning of this. This "antifa" are agent provocateurs, every last one of them.

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The optimist in me is like “motherfucking Hamsterdam is here baby!  Libertarian paradise!”  I know that it’s not though. It’s impossible for even me to cut through the rhetoric on this though and know what’s really going on. Some are saying this rapper has proclaimed himself a “warlord” and is roaming the streets with an AK-47. I’ve also heard that he’s asking for protection tribute from the locals. Of course none of this is different from government-funded cops and taxes so it’s really not much of a story. And it might not be true. I’m rooting for those crazy kids though. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: So what do we think of Seattle's Autonomous Zone? The Donald is braying like a donkey that if the libtard guvna' and sissy boi mayor don't stop this, he will. I'm going back to something I said near the beginning of this. This "antifa" are agent provocateurs, every last one of them.
The optimist in me is like “motherfucking Hamsterdam is here baby!  Libertarian paradise!”  I know that it’s not though. It’s impossible for even me to cut through the rhetoric on this though and know what’s really going on. Some are saying this rapper has proclaimed himself a “warlord” and is roaming the streets with an AK-47. I’ve also heard that he’s asking for protection tribute from the locals. Of course none of this is different from government-funded cops and taxes so it’s really not much of a story. And it might not be true. I’m rooting for those crazy kids though.
Yeah I'm HIGHLY doubtful that they're extorting the locals. I think Trump would have sent in the National Guard and let them run wild. But who knows. As I've mentioned on here many times, both of my son-in-laws are active career military. The Army one is stationed at Fort Lewis which is almost a stones throw from Seattle. The Navy one is stationed in the Puget Sound. They aren't doing a single thing that's different or gives the impression that they're getting ready for some action.

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The New Day came out tonight doing a full-on Black Power pose while taking a knee. 

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srossi wrote: The New Day came out tonight doing a full-on Black Power pose while taking a knee. Oh FFS...if Vince had been promoting in the 50's he probably would have had Abe Jacobs dressed in striped pajamas take on Karl Von Hess in an Oven Match (Zyklon B is legal in this one folks.)

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gwlee7 wrote: I expect Trump try to get the military to drop Napalm on them through a Twitter decree any moment now.

Well expect to be disappointed. 

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Serious question not sarcastic


I saw that terrible video the other day where that statue was pulled down on to someone and seriously injured them. In situations like that are the protestors potentially liable? It was clearly an accident but someone was still hurt.

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Listening to a podcast right now that says a deadline has been set for the closure of the Chaz.

Edit - or maybe not, the date of 6/20 may or may not be real. 

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Franchise wrote: Serious question not sarcastic


I saw that terrible video the other day where that statue was pulled down on to someone and seriously injured them. In situations like that are the protestors potentially liable? It was clearly an accident but someone was still hurt.

I’m sure the other people involved in pulling the statue down could be held responsible.  When someone gets hurt during the commission of crime usually all involved hold some liability. I didn’t see the video so not sure exactly how it happened. If it was just the person who was injured at fault, then I guess he paid a price worse than jail. Given the chaos of the situation I’d just be fine chalking it up to Darwin and not really worrying about arrests, assuming he was a willing participant. But again I didn’t see the video. It was a stupid thing to be involved in that isn’t helping anything. 

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Franchise wrote: Listening to a podcast right now that says a deadline has been set for the closure of the Chaz.

What is the Chaz?

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This is why police unions need to be destroyed and why there is systemic injustice, even in the extremely rare events of a cop being convicted.

https://reason.com/2020/06/13/the-former-cop-who-killed-george-floyd-will-get-50k-annual-pension-even-if-convicted-of-murder/?fbclid=IwAR0JlRWyhEqnorCaaTvpcmn-VU6WUJACQ2HiQYWoG8oTxBN8JpQxtAOkrlk

The former Minneapolis police officer who suffocated George Floyd to death on May 25 will be able to receive a taxpayer-funded pension even if he is convicted of murdering Floyd.

Derek Chauvin, who was captured on video kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes while Floyd struggled to breathe and eventually died, was fired from the Minneapolis Police Department and subsequently arrested and charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter. Many states have laws allowing public employees' pensions to be partially or fully revoked if an individual commits a felony offense while discharging their public duties, but Minnesota does not.

As a result, CNN reported Friday, the 44-year-old Chauvin will be able to start drawing a pension at age 50, though the benefits would not be fully vested until he turns 55. The exact amount of his pension is unknown—and his termination from the department may affect some of the calculations used to determine the eventual payout—but CNN reports that Chauvin is likely to be eligible for about $50,000 annually based on his final pay and years of service.

If he were to live to 78, the average life expectancy for men in the United States, Chauvin could be expected to draw more than $1.1 million from the pension system—and that's without accounting for any cost of living increases.

Not all of that would be coming from taxpayers, of course. Public pension systems are funded in three ways: by employees who contribute a portion of their paychecks, by the employers (which is to say taxpayers), and by investment earnings. Police in Minnesota contribute 11.8 percent of their own pay to the pension system every year. That portion is Chauvin's money and should be returned to him. Police Departments, however, contribute 17.7 percent of each employee's salary to the retirement fund too—and the public is on the hook for making up any funding shortfalls that might occur.

Those numbers are higher than in many other places, but that's probably why the Minnesota Public Employees Retirement Association is nearly fully funded, unlike many other public pension systems. Also, police in Minnesota do not pay into Social Security or receive benefits from the federal retirement program.

Understanding Chauvin's pension helps shed light on the broader implications of public retirement costs around the country. An employee like Chauvin is afforded a retirement package that allows him to collect a pension even if he pursues other work after his retirement, and that cannot be revoked even for the most egregious violations of the public trust. It's vastly different from what most private sector workers can expect to receive.

Many states have narrowly tailored laws that allow for pensions to be revoked if public officials abuse their positions, but those laws are usually targetted at preventing corruption rather than police misconduct. Even Florida's pension forfeiture statute, which says that public employees can lose their pensions for a "breach of public trust," was insufficient to prevent the Florida deputy who failed to confront a shooter at a Parkland high school from getting a pension in excess of $100,000 annually.

If Chauvin were to be convicted of murder in Florida (or several other states), he'd probably be in danger of losing his pension. Instead, taxpayers in Minnesota will pay for his retirement even if he's spending part (or all) of it behind bars.

That only adds insult to injury for the family of George Floyd. Qualified immunity could prevent them from successfully suing Chauvin in civil court for compensation, but a small portion of their taxes will be used to pay for the killer cop's retirement.

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In case anyone was curious here is an update on the chaz.


https://thepostmillennial.com/seattle-chaz-larp-farm

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This might be a tough obstacle to navigate for the government.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/%3famp

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Franchise wrote: This might be a tough obstacle to navigate for the government.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/%3famp

Truck drivers aren't the brightest bulbs and are picturing delivering to a town in "The Walking Dead" instead of a city like Camden, which we've already discussed.  They'll figure it out. 

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Franchise wrote: This might be a tough obstacle to navigate for the government.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/%3famp
This article seems like a troll. I know a few guys who drive for a living and believe me, they're just like pro wres fighters, you throw money at them, they'll go wherever you want them to. Plus, who even thinks like that? "oh I might have to defend myself if there aren't police and I'll have to go to court". Totally made up propaganda.

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: This might be a tough obstacle to navigate for the government.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/cdllife.com/2020/truck-drivers-say-they-wont-deliver-to-cities-with-defunded-police-departments/%3famp
This article seems like a troll. I know a few guys who drive for a living and believe me, they're just like pro wres fighters, you throw money at them, they'll go wherever you want them to. Plus, who even thinks like that? "oh I might have to defend myself if there aren't police and I'll have to go to court". Totally made up propaganda.

And there’s definitely going to be police, so it’s an imaginary argument. 

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OH BOY!!! The last true American outlaws are coming to SAVE THE DAY!!!11111!!!!!



https://twitter.com/_WhiteRabbitt_/status/1271623246706810883


Hell’s Angels and Mongols riding together on their way to Seattle to scrap with Antifa Terrorists.

Stay tuned.


How can anyone possibly be fooled by this?

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Franchise wrote: Only time will tell
I promise you that there is no proposal on the table in which there will be no police. I know this because there is not a wad of cum shot across my room sticking to my office wall. Defunding the police will look a lot like it does now except when some meathead says “It’ll be really cool to blow some shit up with a grenade launcher” someone will actually step in and say they have to just kill black people with a Glock. 

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FOX News forced to admit they’re totally lying, lies again now in retraction. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/fox-news-runs-digitally-altered-images-in-coverage-of-seattles-protests-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR35OPZ6UkKyHpGX1oeBuD8gpEhiBWxja3VJVg9u2iYIloE4LmJWs3arMC4#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

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You know, I haven’t read a single post from my more conservative friends decrying the “fake news” by Fox. But, I also wasn’t expecting them to be any more consistent than my more liberal/progressive friends.

People have a tendency to support what they believe regardless.

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srossi wrote: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3zpqm/these-cities-replaced-cops-with-social-workers-medics-and-people-without-guns

The dreaded "outsourced to a private company." That's the last thing you want to happen. Look at the prisons.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3zpqm/these-cities-replaced-cops-with-social-workers-medics-and-people-without-guns

The dreaded "outsourced to a private company." That's the last thing you want to happen. Look at the prisons.

Look at public prisons. How is that any better?  Either way, they’re incentivized to fill them but I feel with private there’s more accountability. Public clearly isn’t working. 

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Officially me favorite part of this movement: the “Throw Dildos, Not Bricks” campaign in which the Portland police are being pelted with hundreds of dildos. Something to bring home to the wives since I’m sure their pencil dicks can’t satisfy them.

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Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cuomo-says-bars-restaurants-will-lose-their-liquor-license-if-there-are-crowds/
I think this is for the Covid thread. 

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Another ridiculous story of a Karen throwing her life away for no good reason. So this woman from SF called 911 on a man for “defacing private property” by writing “Black Lives Matter” in chalk on a house. She was specifically asked on the phone if it could be his own house. She said that was impossible as she knew the owner and it wasn’t his house. The cops drove up and determined it was his house without even stepping out of the car. The story went viral. She’s deleted all her social media and several companies have ceased doing business with her beauty company. Why can’t these cunts just mind their own business? It boggles the mind. I credit 911 for giving her a chance to get out of the situation, and the cops for their restraint in dealing with a silly situation that they clearly didn’t even want to get involved in. But she couldn’t resist.  She really was just hoping that a black guy minding his own business on his own property would get shot by cops. That’s genuinely what she was going for. Once she lied about knowing the owner, no other benefit of the doubt can be given. Again, she should’ve been arrested or at least fined for misusing 911, but that almost never happens. It’s a huge deal to commit perjury in court but not when talking to 911, yet 911 is a much more volatile and “heat of the moment” situation that can have consequences just as severe if not worse than during a trial. 

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With chalk?

I need the police out here right away a kid is using chalk on the sidewalk!!!

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/cuomo-says-bars-restaurants-will-lose-their-liquor-license-if-there-are-crowds/
I think this is for the Covid thread. 

I suppose it could have gone in either thread but I was curious as to what the pulse is of the people in these major cities where they are locked down with the threat of punishment due to the virus but if you are going out to protest it’s ok. 

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Franchise wrote: With chalk?

I need the police out here right away a kid is using chalk on the sidewalk!!!

Almost everyone is only using chalk. My neighborhood is filled with people who have written this on their houses or on the sidewalk in front, and I live in a white neighborhood. The kids are doing it a lot, and they’re often connected to support for Covid health care workers as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if teachers are telling them to do it as part of a remote learning assignment. I’m sure they can write whatever they want. There’s usually rainbows and butterflies around the messages. A few adults are clearly doing it too, but I’d say mostly kids. It obviously fades or washes away in days, and I don’t mind it at all. It usually looks good and beautifies some bare spaces. It’s everywhere, and 911 clearly knew this too and like I said, they tried to get her to NOT make them send cops to investigate. 

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I was being sarcastic my daughter has a container of sidewalk chalk on the driveway right now that I’ll probably run over in the morning when I pull my truck out of the garage.

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Franchise wrote: I was being sarcastic my daughter has a container of sidewalk chalk on the driveway right now that I’ll probably run over in the morning when I pull my truck out of the garage.
Well I didn’t think you were going to call the cops on the kid. KGB maybe would. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: I was being sarcastic my daughter has a container of sidewalk chalk on the driveway right now that I’ll probably run over in the morning when I pull my truck out of the garage.
Well I didn’t think you were going to call the cops on the kid. KGB maybe would. 

Rent free in your head.  At this point it would probably be good for you to step away from the computer for a day or two to clear your mind. 

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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/released-from-rikers-in-covid-measure-man-arrested-4-times-in-3-months/2460035/

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Franchise wrote: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/released-from-rikers-in-covid-measure-man-arrested-4-times-in-3-months/2460035/
Rather than anecdotal evidence and an alarmist quote from the NYPD Commissioner who was shaking his fist about this on Day 1, I'd really like to see some solid stats on percentages and the types of crimes we're talking about here.  The late local news in NY isn't exactly known for its hard-hitting reporting and the only people who watch are 70-year olds who can't figure out how to log into their AOL accounts.

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They can’t use the AOL disc that came in the mail 25 years ago?


That’s why I posted it from a New York source, curious as to see what a person in the area would have to say. I saw a reporter with my own eyes standing in the biggest puddle during hurricane Harvey.


If your scroll some of these news sites you can see conflicting news stories all reported in the same day.

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I’m seeing that a Thomas Jefferson statue was pulled down by protestors in Oregon and that NYC is going to weld the gates closed on a park. Anyone have any additional info on either?

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At least the Brits are being even dumber than us.

https://apple.news/AhPAVEoPkSD-L8qlABfaLxA

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The NYPD has disbanded their plainclothes unit of 600 cops that were responsible for “proactive policing” (aka they started a lot trouble that didn’t already exist and were involved in tons of complaints). This is a really big deal.

https://gothamist.com/news/nypd-disbands-plainclothes-anti-crime-units

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srossi wrote: The NYPD has disbanded their plainclothes unit of 600 cops that were responsible for “proactive policing” (aka they started a lot trouble that didn’t already exist and were involved in tons of complaints). This is a really big deal.

https://gothamist.com/news/nypd-disbands-plainclothes-anti-crime-units
It is a big deal because the Tactical Patrol Force has history back to the 60's. There actually used to be a size requirements because they only accepted huge guys. Oh well, I sure Patrick Lynch will cry his crocodile tears as he spouts that every cop in the city will be dead within the next 48 hours. Fuck those guys.

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There's an investigation into a poisoning of 3 police officers tonight.  They claim that they were served bleach in their beverages at a Manhattan Shake Shack. They are currently hospitalized and all employees are being questioned.

I hope that the cops really, truly understand that all those years when they were complaining about there being a "War on Cops" because every once in a while someone said, "Excuse me officer, perhaps could you not murder innocent people, if you kindly don't mind?", yeah that wasn't a war on cops. Now they can't even eat at Shake Shack without their lives being in danger. And if the Dunkin Donuts ever get infiltrated by ANTIFA, well they're just going to start killing themselves.

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So are these 600 reassigned or terminated? If reassigned will they stay?

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Franchise wrote: So are these 600 reassigned or terminated? If reassigned will they stay?
Reassigned.  Don't be silly, you can't just fire 600 cops with their union, especially without open investigations into most of them.

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Franchise wrote: Details from the Chaz aka Chop


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mynorthwest.com/1950059/rantz-chop-not-peaceful-utopia/amp/

I know my own bias so I know I am not being fair to this guy but, as soon as I read “conservative talk radio” under the call letters, I imagined Rush Limbaugh’s smug ass telling interns that “as long as you keep them pissed off an indignant, you’ll have listeners” and I didn’t read it.   
But, I’ll read Breitbart and Fox News.   I know its weird.   

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srossi wrote: There's an investigation into a poisoning of 3 police officers tonight.  They claim that they were served bleach in their beverages at a Manhattan Shake Shack. They are currently hospitalized and all employees are being questioned.

Of course it turns out to be much ado about nothing.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/15/nypd-investigating-possible-poisoning-of-3-officers-at-shake-shack-in-manhattan/

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gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: Details from the Chaz aka Chop


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mynorthwest.com/1950059/rantz-chop-not-peaceful-utopia/amp/

I know my own bias so I know I am not being fair to this guy but, as soon as I read “conservative talk radio” under the call letters, I imagined Rush Limbaugh’s smug ass telling interns that “as long as you keep them pissed off an indignant, you’ll have listeners” and I didn’t read it.   
But, I’ll read Breitbart and Fox News.   I know its weird.   


I have no idea who this person is but at the time the article had just been posted an hour earlier. I just skimmed the article and watched the videos. I wasnt looking for someone to tell me about it as I wanted to see actual footage of the interaction Between the people. 

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Franchise wrote: gwlee7 wrote: Franchise wrote: Details from the Chaz aka Chop


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mynorthwest.com/1950059/rantz-chop-not-peaceful-utopia/amp/

I know my own bias so I know I am not being fair to this guy but, as soon as I read “conservative talk radio” under the call letters, I imagined Rush Limbaugh’s smug ass telling interns that “as long as you keep them pissed off an indignant, you’ll have listeners” and I didn’t read it.   
But, I’ll read Breitbart and Fox News.   I know its weird.   


I have no idea who this person is but at the time the article had just been posted an hour earlier. I just skimmed the article and watched the videos. I wasnt looking for someone to tell me about it as I wanted to see actual footage of the interaction Between the people. 

And that’s why I said I know my own bias.  I will read it.  

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I watch a gun review YouTube channel called Garand Thumb and he interviewed this guy recently and played this Video. Thought it was an interesting few seconds of footage.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/video-shows-security-guard-disarm-seattle-protester-with-assault-rifle

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31 years old and has been shuffled around to 9 different police departments.  Now he may FINALLY be terminated for pepper spraying a teen who had the audacity to know his rights and ask to call his guardian.  The cops are worse than the Catholic Church with this shit.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/06/11/woodlynne-cop-ryan-dubiel/?fbclid=IwAR17qQ3JqS5Tq_vzCbLAeygoPWEINv5d4o2ODW0dSI2k5n8CbTVbo14kdA4

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The CEO of CrossFit, Greg Glassman, has resigned after a recorded conference call he had on Zoom with affiliate gym owners turned into a long rant about George Floyd. In a call that was supposed to be about business, Glassman went on at length about Floyd, beginning with the question, "Can you tell me why I should mourn for him, other than that it's the white thing to do? Other than that, give me another reason." He went on to say, "I doubt very much that (the black community) are mourning for Floyd.  I don't think there's a genuine mourning for Floyd in any community."  Glassman claimed he had inside knowledge from an FBI friend that this had nothing to do with racism or police brutality and was actually premeditated murder stemming from a counterfeit money ring that both he and Officer Chauvin were involved in, a twist on a theory that has been floated since they worked security together at a nightclub and may have known each other prior.

A franchise gym owner in North Carolina said, "My first thought was maybe I was being punked." He said the call went silent as Glassman continued to rant, and also threw in conspiracy theories about Coronavirus, and few said anything else. "It's hard to conduct business after that.  What do you say?  We were all just stunned."

One of the members of the call anonymously sent the recording to Buzzfeed, and Glassman was forced out. Gyms all over the country have already cut ties to CrossFit.

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I’ve seen people talking about these

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2020/01/25/900k-in-counterfeit-money-seized-at-border-in-northern-minnesota


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox2detroit.com/news/livonia-man-facing-charges-after-found-with-28000-in-fake-bills.amp


Not that anything has anything to do with anything.

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Trump signed a mostly toothless executive order on police reform today to try get people to shut up. It does do a little (very little) something.

https://reason.com/2020/06/16/trump-police-reform-executive-order-qualified-immunity-police-unions/

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srossi wrote: Trump signed a mostly toothless executive order on police reform today to try get people to shut up. It does do a little (very little) something.

https://reason.com/2020/06/16/trump-police-reform-executive-order-qualified-immunity-police-unions/


Only use chokholds if your life is in danger? Isn't that judgment call one of biggest problems?

Less lethal weapons? I don't think slightly lethal weapons exist.

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Another guy got arrested for setting the Minneapolis Police Department 3rd Precinct Station on fire last month. This guy took videos that night that he then put on Snapchat, including him knocking fellow rioters for not knowing how to make a Molotov Cocktail, giving instructions to someone, and answering a call from someone asking for more gasoline by providing some, all in front of the police station. Security cameras at the police station had their footage stored offsite. Officers reviewed that footage and saw two people throwing Molotov Cocktails at the building just before the fire got going. After scouring social media looking for anyone who matched their appearance, they found this guy's snapchat account and knew they had found one of their men. He had left Minnesota for Colorado and was picked up by police there.

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tamalie wrote:  After scouring social media looking for anyone who matched their appearance, they found this guy's snapchat account and knew they had found one of their men. He had left Minnesota for Colorado and was picked up by police there.Alright this sounds highly suspect. Scouring social media? Did they do a search under Molotov Cocktails? The cops got him the way the cops have gotten anybody going back to the 1800's. Somebody ratted on him.

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Fox News not getting a Monty Python joke and reporting it as real news is my new favorite part of all of this.

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De Blasio is such an incompetent, cowardly disgrace.

https://gothamist.com/news/bronx-protest-police-brutality-city-hall-staff-caught-kettle-de-blasio?fbclid=IwAR3ogzBe9TT5U-eL3tbb7oOO-AdRWsbnSXvWuA40m_NqSt4aC0IGvORymbg

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I’m not in the New York Area so maybe that’s why I’m not following the situation Perfectly but it seems like New York is a total mess. Videos like this show up, videos of stores being smashed, videos of a locked park having it’s lock cut off, reports that people would be arrested for going to church and that restaurants could loose their liquor license if not following the rules but protestors are free to protest.

It’s sounds like 2 entirely different things are happening at the same time without any knowledge of the other. 

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srossi wrote: De Blasio is such an incompetent, cowardly disgrace.

https://gothamist.com/news/bronx-protest-police-brutality-city-hall-staff-caught-kettle-de-blasio?fbclid=IwAR3ogzBe9TT5U-eL3tbb7oOO-AdRWsbnSXvWuA40m_NqSt4aC0IGvORymbg

I'm reading the pages of The Gothamist.  It seems like a right-down-the-middle source for news.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8434031/FBI-tracked-white-woman-set-cop-cars-alight-tracing-t-shirt-Etsy.html

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I wonder if the right will have anything to say about this particular cop killer. Wow!  I must admit, as crazy as he is, he's certainly more effective than the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187

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WongLee wrote: tamalie wrote:  After scouring social media looking for anyone who matched their appearance, they found this guy's snapchat account and knew they had found one of their men. He had left Minnesota for Colorado and was picked up by police there.Alright this sounds highly suspect. Scouring social media? Did they do a search under Molotov Cocktails? The cops got him the way the cops have gotten anybody going back to the 1800's. Somebody ratted on him.

What search terms or hashtags they used, I could not say. However, plenty of people were posting riot photos and videos from Minneapolis, during and after the events of a few weeks ago. On news coverage you can see people holding up their phones again and again, capturing the moment. Inevitably some people put stuff online that was incriminating to themselves, including outright bragging about their own actions, or to others they photographed or recorded doing stuff, whether intentionally or inadvertently due to someone wandering into someone else's shot. 

Another guy got arrested yesterday. He's a TikTok influencer (whether he's self styled or someone who really has a following I do not know) who posted footage of himself during the riots that matched up with security camera footage, and had separate posts discussing what he'd done. Whether there will be more arrests is up in the air. On one hand, the arrests of the past week or two have to have scared anyone dumb enough to post incriminating stuff online into taking it down. On the other hand, if anyone was stupid enough to put that online in the first place, they might not get why that could come back to bite them.

An entire police station was burned down. It's a total loss. The Minneapolis Police Department suffered a massive embarrassment and isn't going to just let this go and call it even. They have many detectives working to identify and arrest anyone they can find on video or in photos doing something that contributed to the fire. MPD and the Hennepin County Attorney's office likely figure that if they bring enough charges that have teeth, suspects will want to plead guilty to lesser charges to avoid the possibility of losing at trial and winding up with a stiffer sentence.

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I’ve said it multiple times in this thread alone I think all of this cell phone, news, dash cam, etc footage is going to keep lawyers swimming in work for years to come.


The article I posted above was about a person who was arrested based off of a custom shirt sold on Etsy tracked to posh mark to LinkedIn and then they matched tattoos and on and on.


I saw one video alone of 10-15 people on the freeway blocking traffic and damaging cars. Low level for sure but most everyone was identifiable. I think it’s really just going to depend on how far these agencies want to go.

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srossi wrote: I wonder if the right will have anything to say about this particular cop killer. Wow!  I must admit, as crazy as he is, he's certainly more effective than the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187


Did the boogaloo boys flip sides and go anti police? Or did every group go anti police? 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I wonder if the right will have anything to say about this particular cop killer. Wow!  I must admit, as crazy as he is, he's certainly more effective than the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187


Did the boogaloo boys flip sides and go anti police? Or did every group go anti police?

They're a right-wing militia group, which used to be the guys that hated the police before Trump (and before him Christian conseravatives) changed what "right-wing" means.  They're old school and hardcore, like the Bundy clan except actually dangerous instead of just trying to mind their own business and protect their own land.  They're doing the 2nd Amendment right, by the way, and understand its original intent of killing cops, military, and government officials.  The funny thing is I've heard the media describe them as both libertarian and anarchist when those two things are pretty close to opposites and neither really describe them.

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It’s all interesting because superficially in the gun world the boogaloo term is never linked to killing cops at least that I’ve ever seen. The closest I saw was them standing up to Covi laws but they never fought the cops.

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So here’s the perfect storm of when asshole cops meet cancel culture. We’re probably going to lose the “ice cream truck jingle” now. Cops are idiot savants when it comes to racism so, although most can barely read or write, they knew that the jingle comes from a very racist song from the 1800s that had several variations but was known as “Zip Coon” during the Andrew Jackson years. So the NYPD drove through protests blaring that song and most people couldn’t figure out why. Now that they know, that song is probably going to be canceled. The NYPD of course denied this ever happened because they know every racist thing that’s ever happened but they’re still in the dark about the existence of camera phones, and then tons of video popped up of them doing it. So thanks a lot for ruining Mister Softee too, assholes.

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When I used to pay $3 for a 50 cent ice cream sandwhich, I always liked the theme to "The Sting" movie better anyway.

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2 resolutions introduced to have De Blasio removed, 1 from a Republican and 1 from a Democrat, for the exact opposite reasons. This guy is making friends everywhere.


https://ridgewoodpost.com/ulrich-introduces-resolution-calling-for-de-blasios-ousting

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I wonder if the right will have anything to say about this particular cop killer. Wow!  I must admit, as crazy as he is, he's certainly more effective than the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187


Did the boogaloo boys flip sides and go anti police? Or did every group go anti police?

They're a right-wing militia group, which used to be the guys that hated the police before Trump (and before him Christian conseravatives) changed what "right-wing" means.  They're old school and hardcore, like the Bundy clan except actually dangerous instead of just trying to mind their own business and protect their own land.  They're doing the 2nd Amendment right, by the way, and understand its original intent of killing cops, military, and government officials.  The funny thing is I've heard the media describe them as both libertarian and anarchist when those two things are pretty close to opposites and neither really describe them.

There were some Boogaloos wandering around Minneapolis during and for a few days after the riots, wearing the fatigues with Hawaiian shirts and showing off their weapons. What I know of this movement is that it's pretty loosely knit and how one person or subgroup thinks and acts doesn't indicate how others would, making it possible for these philosophical contradictions to occur. 

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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: I wonder if the right will have anything to say about this particular cop killer. Wow!  I must admit, as crazy as he is, he's certainly more effective than the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/airman-charged-killing-federal-officer-during-george-floyd-protests-california-n1231187


Did the boogaloo boys flip sides and go anti police? Or did every group go anti police?

They're a right-wing militia group, which used to be the guys that hated the police before Trump (and before him Christian conseravatives) changed what "right-wing" means.  They're old school and hardcore, like the Bundy clan except actually dangerous instead of just trying to mind their own business and protect their own land.  They're doing the 2nd Amendment right, by the way, and understand its original intent of killing cops, military, and government officials.  The funny thing is I've heard the media describe them as both libertarian and anarchist when those two things are pretty close to opposites and neither really describe them.

There were some Boogaloos wandering around Minneapolis during and for a few days after the riots, wearing the fatigues with Hawaiian shirts and showing off their weapons. What I know of this movement is that it's pretty loosely knit and how one person or subgroup thinks and acts doesn't indicate how others would, making it possible for these philosophical contradictions to occur.

Much like ANTIFA.

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srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

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I’m assuming no security camera footage exists?

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I’m seeing that the Chaz / Chop has had 3 maybe 4 people shot over the weekend and have introduced the practice of segregation.

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

ehhh...I've had garage passes for Talladega years back, before they really cracked down on security at the tracks, even then it wouldn't have been exactly easy to carry a NOOSE into the garage and hang it in a teams stall. Add in now the extra security and the fact that they only were allowing a limited number of fans to come into the track and NONE in the garage area this weekend..IF this actually happened and we don't have another Jussie Smollett situation on our hands the noose was put there by a Nascar team member, prob one on Wallace's own team..

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Ok this is one of the only times you'll hear me say I want to see the ENTIRE video. But if true, the pigs have outdone themselves in ways that they'll have to go to the 7th ring of hell to beat this one. Video was taken of a double amputee laying on the ground, pepper sprayed, and both his wooden legs stolen. Well who would do that you may ask. Well, if they are to be believed, it was the Columbus Police Department. But don't believe me. Here's the story. For some reason I can't c/p the text so you lazy fuckers have to click the story. If true, this puts the police at an evil at a level of a senior Gestapo officer in the Warsaw ghetto.


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/columbus-police-accused-of-pepper-spraying-double-amputee-and-stealing-his-prothetic-legs/?fbclid=IwAR0ckdtmfqzrOLN-A4Duy9TGcw0E70sNWW5ElArWeCilXiro7quhVuOP5Sk

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The full story of Shake Shack Gate. Wow.

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms

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srossi wrote: The full story of Shake Shack Gate. Wow.

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms
I just saw that this morning. What you fail to realize is that 99.9% of the the entire PBA, Detective Endowments Association, and Midtown South are all "good cops" who just want to go home to their family at the end of their shift.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: The full story of Shake Shack Gate. Wow.

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms
I just saw that this morning. What you fail to realize is that 99.9% of the the entire PBA, Detective Endowments Association, and Midtown South are all "good cops" who just want to go home to their family at the end of their shift.

If you view many cop-watch videos, you'll see that many of them are PMS'ing lesbians who want to go home at the end of their shift to kick their cat(s). 

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: The full story of Shake Shack Gate. Wow.

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms
I just saw that this morning. What you fail to realize is that 99.9% of the the entire PBA, Detective Endowments Association, and Midtown South are all "good cops" who just want to go home to their family at the end of their shift.

Well maybe they'd be able to if Mexican cartels posing as Shake Shack employees weren't trying to MURDER them via milkshake every fucking day!   THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A MUSLIM PRESIDENT (4 YEARS AGO)!

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: The full story of Shake Shack Gate. Wow.

https://gothamist.com/news/officers-who-police-union-falsely-claimed-were-poisoned-shake-shack-reportedly-never-had-symptoms
I just saw that this morning. What you fail to realize is that 99.9% of the the entire PBA, Detective Endowments Association, and Midtown South are all "good cops" who just want to go home to their family at the end of their shift.

Well maybe they'd be able to if Mexican cartels posing as Shake Shack employees weren't trying to MURDER them via milkshake every fucking day!   THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A MUSLIM PRESIDENT (4 YEARS AGO)!

I really hope Shake Shack sues these assholes for slander.  The bootlickers online are still insisting that Shake Shack did something wrong.

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

To the surprise of virtually no one outside the racial whirlwind, it appears the "noose" was a rope with a loop on the end, for pulling down an overhead garage door.  Has any of these stories ever panned out?    #NOOSECAR

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Speaking of cars

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So now Jimmy Kimmel has come under attack for dressing in blackface to imitate Karl Malone, and for using the n-word in a Christmas song. He defends the blackface by saying it was about the person, not their skin color (I'm paraphrasing). But he turned it into the right looking to take away the left calling out actual racists.

I believe that these accounts have been brought up before, but again now that all these actions are being brought up again, he's under attack. Doesn't it cut both ways?
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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

To the surprise of virtually no one outside the racial whirlwind, it appears the "noose" was a rope with a loop on the end, for pulling down an overhead garage door.  Has any of these stories ever panned out?    #NOOSECAR


I am not following but why did they put a noose in front of the white boy's garage

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krazykid18 wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

To the surprise of virtually no one outside the racial whirlwind, it appears the "noose" was a rope with a loop on the end, for pulling down an overhead garage door.  Has any of these stories ever panned out?    #NOOSECAR


I am not following but why did they put a noose in front of the white boy's garage
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krazykid18 wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

To the surprise of virtually no one outside the racial whirlwind, it appears the "noose" was a rope with a loop on the end, for pulling down an overhead garage door.  Has any of these stories ever panned out?    #NOOSECAR


I am not following but why did they put a noose in front of the white boy's garage

The guy is/was a Negro.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: NASCAR has just banned the confederate flag. There’s going to be a lot of red necks with no heads on them tonight.

So one of them put a noose in Bubba Wallace's garage. 

To the surprise of virtually no one outside the racial whirlwind, it appears the "noose" was a rope with a loop on the end, for pulling down an overhead garage door.  Has any of these stories ever panned out?    #NOOSECAR


I am not following but why did they put a noose in front of the white boy's garage

The guy is/was a Negro.

They should have hung a half noose, being that his father looks like a slave owner 

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And of course, NASCAR still had to virtue signal on the way out the door.  They're just like the pigs who get put in their place by a member of the public but have to save face by lecturing about their concern for someone's safety, etc.  Blah, blah, blah.  NASCAR could have earned a lot of respect by saying, "Racial hoaxes like this are a major cause of hatred in this country.  We condemn them in the strongest possible terms and apologize to white people for tarring them with the brush of hatred.  We will examine our actions and strive to do better in the future.  Please accept our apologies." 


Instead, we got this CYA bullshit:



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These half white dudes always doing dumb shit ...must be there white side that forces them to be starved for attention

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So now as a result of the Rayshard Brooks shooting in Atlanta, Georgia is going to pass hate crime laws. Talk about missing the fucking point. How about passing laws against police shootings? This is just going to fuck over some poor white guy who punches a black guy and gets life for it instead of punishing the cops who murder with impunity and never see a day inside a jail.

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I don't believe the FBI. I think those degenerates who poisoned the NYPD officers at the Manhattan Shake Shack have something to do with this.

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WongLee wrote: I don't believe the FBI. I think those degenerates who poisoned the NYPD officers at the Manhattan Shake Shack have something to do with this.
You know if there was ever a “2 sides to the same coin” argument for liberals and conservatives, it’s this Shake Shack vs. NASCAR noose double fiasco. And both sides are still convinced that there was wrongdoing. 

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KGB wrote: And of course, NASCAR still had to virtue signal on the way out the door.  They're just like the pigs who get put in their place by a member of the public but have to save face by lecturing about their concern for someone's safety, etc.  Blah, blah, blah.  NASCAR could have earned a lot of respect by saying, "Racial hoaxes like this are a major cause of hatred in this country.  We condemn them in the strongest possible terms and apologize to white people for tarring them with the brush of hatred.  We will examine our actions and strive to do better in the future.  Please accept our apologies." 


Instead, we got this CYA bullshit:




After reading the full story, this commentary by you is as laughable as is Nascar statement...
So bubba never found the noose and some Nascar employee or people working in the garage saw it and complained and then Nascar made it public which makes it laughable that Nascar and the people working in the garage don't know the difference between a garage pull and a noose....
so Nascar PR basically threw that boy under the bus with the press release and the peace stunt with him in the front.

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Person arrested for The suspected arson of the Wendy’s fire in Atlanta.

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krazykid18 wrote:

After reading the full story, this commentary by you is as laughable as is Nascar statement...
So bubba never found the noose and some Nascar employee or people working in the garage saw it and complained and then Nascar made it public which makes it laughable that Nascar and the people working in the garage don't know the difference between a garage pull and a noose....
so Nascar PR basically threw that boy under the bus with the press release and the peace stunt with him in the front.

Laughable?  You mean NASCAR didn't reflexively buy the story at face value, then racially posture about it all weekend?  Read their Twitter feed to see how hard they pushed the "poor ole' Bubba was targeted by Klansmen!" storyline.  As you said, they should have taken one fucking look at the "noose" and buried this whole thing.  Instead, they decided to go woke and join the amen chorus of racial scolds.  You don't issue a statement such as the one below unless you operate from the perspective that white people need to be put in their place.  Fuck them.  


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Franchise wrote: Person arrested for The suspected arson of the Wendy’s fire in Atlanta.
Talk about a fucking moron. This woman is going to do serious time, and for what?  To burn down the location of a murder even though the franchise owner and employees has nothing to do with it?  You want to be a bad-ass, burn down a police station and do some good. Hell, do a few minutes of research and find out where the cop lives that committed the murder and take him out. Your life is over either way, end it constructively. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Person arrested for The suspected arson of the Wendy’s fire in Atlanta.
Talk about a fucking moron. This woman is going to do serious time, and for what?  To burn down the location of a murder even though the franchise owner and employees has nothing to do with it?  You want to be a bad-ass, burn down a police station and do some good. Hell, do a few minutes of research and find out where the cop lives that committed the murder and take him out. Your life is over either way, end it constructively. 
It wasn't murder. 

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Person arrested for The suspected arson of the Wendy’s fire in Atlanta.
Talk about a fucking moron. This woman is going to do serious time, and for what?  To burn down the location of a murder even though the franchise owner and employees has nothing to do with it?  You want to be a bad-ass, burn down a police station and do some good. Hell, do a few minutes of research and find out where the cop lives that committed the murder and take him out. Your life is over either way, end it constructively. 
It wasn't murder. 

Thanks for the correction, I'll print a retraction ASAP. 

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Fucking Little Bennie Shapiro is so emblematic of the effete conservative class that dominates the right in this country.  He pulled this same shit on the Covington kids.  He rushes in with the condemnation so that he can have his Twitter hot take.  Then, when the facts show he was completely wrong, he simply ignores his initial reaction and scolds everyone for not being as quick on the uptake as he is.  How many fucking hoaxes do the Conservative Smart Set have to fall for before they finally wait for the facts?  Facts don't care about your feelings, isn't that your catch-phrase, little Ben?  So why don't you ever consider the fact that nearly every bit of outrage theater on the left is fabricated?  Nah, that would deprive you of the dopamine rush from your cyber high fives. 




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They FINALLY fired one of the officers who murdered Breonna Taylor in her sleep. Still no charges filed after all this time against any of the pigs involved. This one was ever worse than George Floyd, and more common.

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I don't know if this belongs in the Chinese flu thread or this one.  A county in Oregon has ordered the wearing of face masks in public... but if you're not a honky you're free to opt out.  On the other hand, whitey better know his place.  In 2020 we're writing laws that specifically apply to a certain race.  And as a society we're okay with that.  

https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/

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KGB wrote: I don't know if this belongs in the Chinese flu thread or this one.  A county in Oregon has ordered the wearing of face masks in public... but if you're not a honky you're free to opt out.  On the other hand, whitey better know his place.  In 2020 we're writing laws that specifically apply to a certain race.  And as a society we're okay with that.  

https://nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/
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All of this going on and it was announced that today was the one day record for the Coronavirus cases as they soar to new record high. Serious question time, what is the President doing with all of this going on? Isn't it time for somebody to show some leadership for a change?

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https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/?fbclid=IwAR00DyqFFcZwEfgNySbsekaxF1d39JAgw99TlqsfYgGxydmJLu0txVYywnI

WILMINGTON — “We are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them fu—– ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.

These are the words of a now-former Wilmington Police Department officer Kevin Piner.

He, along with two other officers have been fired from the department after dash-cam footage recorded two phone conversations — accidentally — and a supervisor conducting a routine audit of the videos found the disturbing content.

Michael ‘Kevin’ Piner, James ‘Brian’ Gilmore, and Jessie E. Moore II were all terminated from the force. The announcement came from the new Chief of Police Donny Williams — not even 24-hours into his first day as chief.

On Wednesday afternoon, members of City Council along with Williams held a press conference to address the conduct of the former police officers. Williams, a nearly 30-year veteran at the department said he was saddened by the actions of the officers, but would have no tolerance for this type of behavior.

“Today is a challenging day for me because as your police chief, one of my first major tasks is to announce the termination of three veteran police officers,” Williams said.

Related: Three Wilmington police officers off the force after they were recorded making racist comments [Free]

In North Carolina, public records laws typically prevent government agencies from handing out information on personnel; however, in extraordinary circumstances, details can be released to the public.

The former officers actively tried to prevent a release of the information, and an attorney filed an apparently unsuccessful motion for a temporary restraining order, but ultimately the city decided it was the right thing to do.

“Why are we releasing this information this way and at this time? Because it is the right thing to do. Normally, personnel laws allow only a very small amount of information to be made public. However, in exceptional cases, when it is essential to maintain public confidence in the administration of the City and the Police Department, more information may be released. This is the most exceptional and difficult case I have encountered in my career. We must establish new reforms for policing here at home and throughout this country,” Williams said.

As far as the video goes, Williams said the police would be working with a judge to determine if that footage can be released.

“Lastly, we will be filing a petition in which we will ask the Court to review whether or not some or all of the video, in this case, should be released. The law requires that a judge make that determination and we will support the judiciary by bringing the matter before the Court and supplying any information or other documents that Court may desire,” Williams said.

Willaims and Saffo both stressed the importance of not placing the blame of the three officers on the hundreds of other officers in the department.
The recordings

On June 4, just days after protests began in Wilmington regarding the murder of George Floyd in Minnesota, a Sergeant Heflin was conducting monthly video audits — a routine part of her job — when she came across what was labeled as ‘accidental activations’ from Piner’s car.

Apparently, the car’s camera system was recording despite not being ‘activated’ for an incident (typically cameras are recording at all times but will not keep the recordings unless an officer triggers the system).

After skipping through the video, which was largely video of his backseat, she found a conversation between Piner and Corporal Jessie Moore — a police officer with the department since 1997.

She reviewed the conversation she ‘heard comments, extremely racist comments made by both Piner and Moore,” according to a summary provided by police.

The video also recorded a conversation with Officer Gilmore who apparently had pulled up next to Piner’s car.

Both conversations were explicit and racist in content.

According to the investigation summary, at 6:51 a.m., on a date not listed, Piner and Gilmore are recorded having a conversation.

“Their conversation eventually turned to the topic of the protests against racism occurring across the nation. Piner tells Gilmore that the only thing this agency is concerned with ‘kneeling down with the black folks.’ Gilmore then said that he watched a video on social media about white people bowing down on their knees and ‘worshipping blacks,'” according to the summary.

The conversation then turned to other police officers in the Wilmington Police Department — black officers.

The audio has Piner calling one of the officers ‘bad news’ and a ‘piece of shit.’

“Let’s see how his boys take care of him when shit gets rough, see if they don’t put a bullet in his head,” Piner said about a fellow officer.

That conversation ends as Piner goes to respond to an alarm call.
‘A civil war is coming’

The second of the two conversations that day happened after Piner received a phone call from Moore.

According to the summary, “Moore began telling Piner about an arrest he had made at work the day before. During that conversation, Moore refers to the female as a ‘negro’ and a ‘ni—-‘ on multiple occasions.”

He also referred to a magistrate judge, who is also black, as a ‘fucking negro magistrate.’

“At one point, Moore states, ‘she needed a bullet in her head right then and move on. Let’s move the body out of the way and keep going.’ Piner responds, ‘That’s what I have been trying to tell you,'” according to the documents.

After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks. A short time later Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to ‘martial law’ and soon ‘we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them fucking ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.’ Moore responded that he would not do that. Piner stated, ‘I am ready.'” according to the summary.

“Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to ‘wipe ’em off the fucking map. That’ll put ’em back about four or five generations.'”

After the conversations were discovered police launched their own investigations into the incidents. None of the officers involved denied saying the things they said, according to WPD>

“Each officer admitted it was their voice on the video. They did not deny saying any of the things heard on the video. Each officer pointed to the stress of today’s climate in law enforcement as a reason for their ‘venting,'” according to the investigation.

Chief Williams took the following corrective actions for the three officers.

Termination of employment, not eligible for rehire with the City of Wilmington
Notification of the North Carolina Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission in regards to the behaviors. These individuals should not be allowed to practice law enforcement again, he said.
Consultation with the District Attorney’s Office regarding these officers being used as witnesses in cases and reviewing any previous cases they might have testified in to determine any bias that might have been exhibited.

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I'm sure it was all taken out of context. Let's hear the videos from the beginning. If on the minute chance that it is true, the other 99.9999999999% of the department are great guys and gals.

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Rogan was saying there was 21 murders over the weekend in Harlem. Is that true and is that a big number? I know nothing about New York

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Franchise wrote: Rogan was saying there was 21 murders over the weekend in Harlem. Is that true and is that a big number? I know nothing about New York
Harlem is completely safe at this point so 21 would be a shit-ton.  On a normal weekend the number would be closer to 0.  I have no idea if that number is true, bu the NYPD are jacking up every statistic they can think of to battle the defunders, so I just don't trust stats anymore.  We went from being at all-time record crime lows to being an absolute post-apocalyptic den or murder over night as soon as the cops started to get some heat.  This is an old song that they love to sing.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Rogan was saying there was 21 murders over the weekend in Harlem. Is that true and is that a big number? I know nothing about New York
Harlem is completely safe at this point so 21 would be a shit-ton.  On a normal weekend the number would be closer to 0.  I have no idea if that number is true, bu the NYPD are jacking up every statistic they can think of to battle the defunders, so I just don't trust stats anymore.  We went from being at all-time record crime lows to being an absolute post-apocalyptic den or murder over night as soon as the cops started to get some heat.  This is an old song that they love to sing.
Pretty much this. Harlem is nowhere near what it's reputation was in the 60's and 70's. There were 319 murders across all five boroughs in 2019. Twenty one in a weekend is impossible to believe. The pigs are compiling the stats the opposite way of the Giuliani years. Under St. Rudy, there was a guy found with three bullets to the back of the head and was marked down as a suicide. What it sounds like they're doing now is grandpa succumbs to a heart attack at 87 years old in his bed in a million dollar brownstone on 127th Street, and they'll put he was killed in the cross-fire of two drug gangs shooting it out for control of the opium or marihuana trade in Harlem. I'd like to know what difference it would make if the pigs aren't defunded. If there was 21 people murdered in Harlem over the past weekend, would a full force NYPD have prevented any of them? Of course the answer is no. Cops very, very rarely prevent a crime from being committed (that's not anti-cop rhetoric, it's just a fact). They always come after the fact and use their squealers to catch somebody to hang the crime on. They're trying to paint a picture of civilization slowly devolving into chaos because they're not here to protect and serve us.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Rogan was saying there was 21 murders over the weekend in Harlem. Is that true and is that a big number? I know nothing about New York
Harlem is completely safe at this point so 21 would be a shit-ton.  On a normal weekend the number would be closer to 0.  I have no idea if that number is true, bu the NYPD are jacking up every statistic they can think of to battle the defunders, so I just don't trust stats anymore.  We went from being at all-time record crime lows to being an absolute post-apocalyptic den or murder over night as soon as the cops started to get some heat.  This is an old song that they love to sing.
Pretty much this. Harlem is nowhere near what it's reputation was in the 60's and 70's. There were 319 murders across all five boroughs in 2019. Twenty one in a weekend is impossible to believe. The pigs are compiling the stats the opposite way of the Giuliani years. Under St. Rudy, there was a guy found with three bullets to the back of the head and was marked down as a suicide. What it sounds like they're doing now is grandpa succumbs to a heart attack at 87 years old in his bed in a million dollar brownstone on 127th Street, and they'll put he was killed in the cross-fire of two drug gangs shooting it out for control of the opium or marihuana trade in Harlem. I'd like to know what difference it would make if the pigs aren't defunded. If there was 21 people murdered in Harlem over the past weekend, would a full force NYPD have prevented any of them? Of course the answer is no. Cops very, very rarely prevent a crime from being committed (that's not anti-cop rhetoric, it's just a fact). They always come after the fact and use their squealers to catch somebody to hang the crime on. They're trying to paint a picture of civilization slowly devolving into chaos because they're not here to protect and serve us.

Every death is murder when a conservative is in charge and every death is Covid if a liberal is in charge. What a country. 

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This is the most heart-breaking police murder yet as more details from last year come to light.

https://www.upworthy.com/elijah-mcclain-police-investigation-death

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I can’t remember if I posted it or if someone else did but Live PD filmed a suspect die during their off season and the footage was destroyed per the rules of the contract they had with The channel that aired the show. The rule basically said all tapes are destroyed after so many days and all that would remain is the show footage which in this case their wasn’t any as it was the off season for the show.

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Rogan was saying there was 21 murders over the weekend in Harlem. Is that true and is that a big number? I know nothing about New York
Harlem is completely safe at this point so 21 would be a shit-ton.  On a normal weekend the number would be closer to 0.  I have no idea if that number is true, bu the NYPD are jacking up every statistic they can think of to battle the defunders, so I just don't trust stats anymore.  We went from being at all-time record crime lows to being an absolute post-apocalyptic den or murder over night as soon as the cops started to get some heat.  This is an old song that they love to sing.

As of June 14th there have been 159 murders in NYC according to the cops which thry say is up 25%.  No breakdown by borough that i saw. But as mentioned crime numbers have been fudged for decades depending on what agenda is being pushed.  Even I'd be surprised if there were 21 in one weekend in Harlem alone.

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I've done a few Google searches along the lines of "21 Harlem murders" with a few dates and I can't find anything at all backing that number. Lots of anecdotal evidence of higher crime in NYC that is likely made-up, but absolutely zero on that specific number in that part of town last weekend. There's no way that can be true. People from Wisconsin assume that's nothing, but NYC doesn't have many murders total, so 21 over the stretch of a few blocks in one weekend is just too astronomical for words to describe. It's almost like a cop in Kenosha pulled that out of his ass in a Facebook post because he thought it sounded good, and then Donald Trump, Jr. tweeted it because that's what he does.

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Maybe Rogan was really talking about a larger period of time and just condensed it by saying weekend

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Franchise wrote: Maybe Rogan was really talking about a larger period of time and just condensed it by saying weekend
There's no way there were 21 murders in Harlem all year.  It's possible there were 21 shootings in Harlem this year, or over a smaller period of time I suppose, but that's much different than murders.  NYC has 8 1/2 million people and maybe 300 murders a year recently, so imagine how large that 21 number is if you're only talking about Harlem, which basically consists of few blocks of brunch places where white people can drink mimosas on Sunday at noon to pretend they're "urban".

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srossi wrote: This is the most heart-breaking police murder yet as more details from last year come to light.

https://www.upworthy.com/elijah-mcclain-police-investigation-death
This story defies belief. This is actually exponentially worse than the George Floyd killing. These fucking animal pigs should be lynched from a lamppost. Then when people try to get justice for this gentle soul, they're blocked by other pig scumbags. But I'm going overboard. It's just a few bad apples. I always thought the Kelly Thomas killing was the worse one I've read about. This one has the unenviable "honor" of being worse. Much worse.

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srossi wrote: This is the most heart-breaking police murder yet as more details from last year come to light.

https://www.upworthy.com/elijah-mcclain-police-investigation-death


Jesus Christ that is fucked up.

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We've arrested our first piggy in NYC for breaking the new chokehold ban.

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Who started the "bad apples" metaphor for cops? It doesn't mean what they think it means.

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A couple more guys got arrested for the looting and burning of the MPD 3rd precinct station. It was a pair of brothers who took video of themselves in the stationhouse, as deep in as making it to the 2nd floor, showing acts of vandalism as well as theft of MPD property and personal property, then posting their actions to social media.

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Kriss wrote: Who started the "bad apples" metaphor for cops? It doesn't mean what they think it means.
Yeah, it means it spoils the whole bunch so that they ALL become bad apples, which is actually an appropriate metaphor.  This has been pointed out many times, but bootlickers were never accused of being smart.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Who started the "bad apples" metaphor for cops? It doesn't mean what they think it means.
Yeah, it means it spoils the whole bunch so that they ALL become bad apples, which is actually an appropriate metaphor.  This has been pointed out many times, but bootlickers were never accused of being smart.


The way this is going you are going to be licking someone’s boots. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Maybe Rogan was really talking about a larger period of time and just condensed it by saying weekend
There's no way there were 21 murders in Harlem all year.  It's possible there were 21 shootings in Harlem this year, or over a smaller period of time I suppose, but that's much different than murders.  NYC has 8 1/2 million people and maybe 300 murders a year recently, so imagine how large that 21 number is if you're only talking about Harlem, which basically consists of few blocks of brunch places where white people can drink mimosas on Sunday at noon to pretend they're "urban".


Not what Rogan was quoting but something I saw this morning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8462181/amp/NYPD-police-commissioner-says-NYCs-criminal-justice-imploding-spike-shootings.html

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George Kirby??


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-misspeaks-police-reform-george-kirbys.amp

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Maybe Rogan was really talking about a larger period of time and just condensed it by saying weekend
There's no way there were 21 murders in Harlem all year.  It's possible there were 21 shootings in Harlem this year, or over a smaller period of time I suppose, but that's much different than murders.  NYC has 8 1/2 million people and maybe 300 murders a year recently, so imagine how large that 21 number is if you're only talking about Harlem, which basically consists of few blocks of brunch places where white people can drink mimosas on Sunday at noon to pretend they're "urban".


Not what Rogan was quoting but something I saw this morning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8462181/amp/NYPD-police-commissioner-says-NYCs-criminal-justice-imploding-spike-shootings.html

LOL. Even the headline is hysterical. I love the fact where they pretend he’s “admitting” something as if it’s not something he’s making up himself for political reasons. This is exactly what we were talking about a few posts up. Also, not for nothing but you’d think the NYPD Commissioner would know the difference between crime and the criminal justice system. He betrays his motives by saying the latter. 

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This could be a life-saving app if you’re getting pulled over. I’m definitely looking into this.

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I’ll download it if the morality police start patrolling the streets.

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These might be the most and worst excuses ever made by someone cheering on the KKK. She somehow claims that she was chanting Black Lives Matter, doesn’t know what a confederate flag is, wasn’t even sure who’s truck she was in, and so much more. Entertaining.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: This is the most heart-breaking police murder yet as more details from last year come to light.

https://www.upworthy.com/elijah-mcclain-police-investigation-death
This story defies belief. This is actually exponentially worse than the George Floyd killing. These fucking animal pigs should be lynched from a lamppost. Then when people try to get justice for this gentle soul, they're blocked by other pig scumbags. But I'm going overboard. It's just a few bad apples. I always thought the Kelly Thomas killing was the worse one I've read about. This one has the unenviable "honor" of being worse. Much worse.

I had a tear in my eye reading that. Couldn't watch the video.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: This is the most heart-breaking police murder yet as more details from last year come to light.

https://www.upworthy.com/elijah-mcclain-police-investigation-death
This story defies belief. This is actually exponentially worse than the George Floyd killing. These fucking animal pigs should be lynched from a lamppost. Then when people try to get justice for this gentle soul, they're blocked by other pig scumbags. But I'm going overboard. It's just a few bad apples. I always thought the Kelly Thomas killing was the worse one I've read about. This one has the unenviable "honor" of being worse. Much worse.

I had a tear in my eye reading that. Couldn't watch the video.


I watched the body cam footage 

I think the choking people tactic is a bad one. If it was done based on the belief that the person was trying to grab the cop’s gun then maybe cops should leave their guns in the patrol car and carry as needed. 

I think society needs to evolve to a point where a police officer can answer a call, pull up ask questions determine real or fake issue and move on. 

Do y’all think if they pulled along side this person they could have had a conversation to determine that no crime was committed and move on? What should the cops do if a person doesn’t want to talk? Should they dismiss and move on? When should they escalate? Should seemingly pointless calls be ignored? 

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Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/504831-minneapolis-city-council-members-get-private-security-detail-after%3fampHmmm....I wonder who could possibly be making those threats? Now I'm going to say something controversial here. I hope it doesn't get me banned from the board. We all know that the one bad apple cop who killed George is now behind bars. But, does anyone think it may be possible, I can't believe I'm saying this, but does anyone think there might be ANOTHER bad apple cop in the department making these threats. It defies logic I know but these are crazy times.

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/504831-minneapolis-city-council-members-get-private-security-detail-after%3fampHmmm....I wonder who could possibly be making those threats? Now I'm going to say something controversial here. I hope it doesn't get me banned from the board. We all know that the one bad apple cop who killed George is now behind bars. But, does anyone think it may be possible, I can't believe I'm saying this, but does anyone think there might be ANOTHER bad apple cop in the department making these threats. It defies logic I know but these are crazy times.


Would the same protection be available to citizens If threatened and Paid for by tax payer dollars once the police force is disbanded? 

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/504831-minneapolis-city-council-members-get-private-security-detail-after%3fampHmmm....I wonder who could possibly be making those threats? Now I'm going to say something controversial here. I hope it doesn't get me banned from the board. We all know that the one bad apple cop who killed George is now behind bars. But, does anyone think it may be possible, I can't believe I'm saying this, but does anyone think there might be ANOTHER bad apple cop in the department making these threats. It defies logic I know but these are crazy times.

Considering there’s only been one bad apple in the entire history of every police department ever, I respectfully suggest that your math doesn’t check out. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/504831-minneapolis-city-council-members-get-private-security-detail-after%3fampHmmm....I wonder who could possibly be making those threats? Now I'm going to say something controversial here. I hope it doesn't get me banned from the board. We all know that the one bad apple cop who killed George is now behind bars. But, does anyone think it may be possible, I can't believe I'm saying this, but does anyone think there might be ANOTHER bad apple cop in the department making these threats. It defies logic I know but these are crazy times.

Considering there’s only been one bad apple in the entire history of every police department ever, I respectfully suggest that your math doesn’t check out.
Of course you're right. I don't know what got into me. I'm going to go out and find some delicious policeman boots to lick.

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Trump full-on retweeted a video this morning of his supporters screaming “White Power” clear as day.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-shares-video-of-racists-screaming-white-power-1021574/

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That entire video is terrible, From the terrible language to the “where is the police??”


If any of those people were in my family I’d never talk to them again.

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5th shooting has been reported in Chop / Chaz. I know some of the businesses in Chop filed a lawsuit but at what point is enough enough? 


Can anyone more familiar with Chicago say how it’s really going there? For whatever reason my YouTube feed has been flooded with Chicago crime videos and no matter how many 1990’s Nebraska football games I watch they don’t go away.

I saw a report this morning that the Louisville shooter was a disgruntled BLM member and was wounded but in custody. 

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Can anyone more familiar with Chicago say how it’s really going there? For whatever reason my YouTube feed has been flooded with Chicago crime videos and no matter how many 1990’s Nebraska football games I watch they don’t go away.


That's probably because the vast majority of the 90's Nebraska teams have become professional thug-ees and are the ones doing the shootin'.

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I know some local businesses are suing the city of Seattle but do the parents of the minors shot Recently in the Chop have any legal recourse against the city since it was the cities decision to allow a lawless area to develop? Or would they need to follow up with the city of Chop? If Raz was determined to be the leader would he be held liable for the crimes committed? Really how deep can all of this go and at what point does the mayor and council members that allowed this to happen face criminal charges in the real world and not just in the court of public opinion?

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Franchise wrote:  Really how deep can all of this go and at what point does the mayor and council members that allowed this to happen face criminal charges in the real world and not just in the court of public opinion?
Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place.
The municipalities, police departments, National Guard, riot squad, all come out and fight back, defend the buildings and statues with tear gas or clubs, and all you see is chaos and whining and threats of lawsuits (see Trump's White House spectacle a couple of weeks ago).
Call the police and guard off, pull back, and just let the protesters do their thing, loot, riot, take over and create their autonomous zone, and now the municipalities are going to be criminally charged?



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Irresistible force and the immovable object I suppose.

Are concert venues Or promoters Held liable when a trampling occurs?

This was supposed to be the summer of love concert in the park.

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Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote:  Really how deep can all of this go and at what point does the mayor and council members that allowed this to happen face criminal charges in the real world and not just in the court of public opinion?
Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place.
The municipalities, police departments, National Guard, riot squad, all come out and fight back, defend the buildings and statues with tear gas or clubs, and all you see is chaos and whining and threats of lawsuits (see Trump's White House spectacle a couple of weeks ago).
Call the police and guard off, pull back, and just let the protesters do their thing, loot, riot, take over and create their autonomous zone, and now the municipalities are going to be criminally charged?

Politicians are also protected by qualified immunity. 

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote:  Really how deep can all of this go and at what point does the mayor and council members that allowed this to happen face criminal charges in the real world and not just in the court of public opinion?
Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place.
The municipalities, police departments, National Guard, riot squad, all come out and fight back, defend the buildings and statues with tear gas or clubs, and all you see is chaos and whining and threats of lawsuits (see Trump's White House spectacle a couple of weeks ago).
Call the police and guard off, pull back, and just let the protesters do their thing, loot, riot, take over and create their autonomous zone, and now the municipalities are going to be criminally charged?

Politicians are also protected by qualified immunity. 


So everyone will just end up suing the city. 

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We went to Seattle two summers ago and walked over to Capitol Hill. Cool little place with the best ice cream shop I've ever visited: Molly Moon Ice Cream. It's located literally at the intersection of this autonomous zone. It's just surreal to know that that we were there two years ago and it's fuckin' chaos now.

Last summer we went to Minneapolis.

Basically assume riots a year or two after we travel somewhere.

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Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?

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Best to just sweep those losers off the streets as if nothing happened & move on

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Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?

Were they shot by the police? If not, then no. Who is going to protest? The people who protest are the ones in the CHOP zone. 

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Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

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wittman2 wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?

Were they shot by the police? If not, then no. Who is going to protest? The people who protest are the ones in the CHOP zone. 


So does that make it a case of rules for thee but not for me? 

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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

They’re not real cops and I suspect they will be dealt with very harshly if found. The issue is that no one is talking and willing to give up the shooter. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

They’re not real cops and I suspect they will be dealt with very harshly if found. The issue is that no one is talking and willing to give up the shooter.

CHOP was just dismantled.  The police arrested a bunch of people and cleared out the rest.  Almost all of the liberals in power in the state turned on it after a few incidents of violence.

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

They’re not real cops and I suspect they will be dealt with very harshly if found. The issue is that no one is talking and willing to give up the shooter.

CHOP was just dismantled.  The police arrested a bunch of people and cleared out the rest.  Almost all of the liberals in power in the state turned on it after a few incidents of violence.
Sounds like they turned on themselves too. Wouldn't you have thought they would have fought to the last man? Their last stand could have been so glorious that RATM would have done a three disc rock opera concept album about these young warriors.

I feel this goes to further strengthen the point I always make that America will never be involved in a violent upheaval (with the possible exception of Karen and Ken). When it comes time for the shit to truly hit the fan, it will prove to be too much of an effort to climb out of the recliner and possibly go without beer for three months.

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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

They’re not real cops and I suspect they will be dealt with very harshly if found. The issue is that no one is talking and willing to give up the shooter.

CHOP was just dismantled.  The police arrested a bunch of people and cleared out the rest.  Almost all of the liberals in power in the state turned on it after a few incidents of violence.
Sounds like they turned on themselves too. Wouldn't you have thought they would have fought to the last man? Their last stand could have been so glorious that RATM would have done a three disc rock opera concept album about these young warriors.

I feel this goes to further strengthen the point I always make that America will never be involved in a violent upheaval (with the possible exception of Karen and Ken). When it comes time for the shit to truly hit the fan, it will prove to be too much of an effort to climb out of the recliner and possibly go without beer for three months.

I’m not sure what you expected them to do at the end, but they would’ve been slaughtered in seconds. A government overthrow needs to include more than a couple of dozen people holing up in a bakery. I hear the cops were mostly on their best behavior though and no one was killed, so maybe they’re learning something. Can you imagine how this would’ve went down 3 months ago?  The cops would’ve watched “Rambo” on repeat for 24 straight hours and then lit those blocks up. 

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srossi wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Are we going to see protests this weekend for the 16 year old that was shot and killed in the Chaz / Chop recently?
Murders get investigated and prosecuted every single day.  Murders by cops don't.  Thus, the protests.  Not rocket science.  Of all the dog whistles and intentional misdirects that I hear, the most laughable is "Well why isn't anyone protesting (insert murder by civilian here)?"  I haven't been hit on the head enough times to lower my intellect to answer that in a way that will satisfy these people yet. 


The kid was said to have been killed by the Chaz security force aka Chaz Police 

They’re not real cops and I suspect they will be dealt with very harshly if found. The issue is that no one is talking and willing to give up the shooter.

CHOP was just dismantled.  The police arrested a bunch of people and cleared out the rest.  Almost all of the liberals in power in the state turned on it after a few incidents of violence.
Sounds like they turned on themselves too. Wouldn't you have thought they would have fought to the last man? Their last stand could have been so glorious that RATM would have done a three disc rock opera concept album about these young warriors.

I feel this goes to further strengthen the point I always make that America will never be involved in a violent upheaval (with the possible exception of Karen and Ken). When it comes time for the shit to truly hit the fan, it will prove to be too much of an effort to climb out of the recliner and possibly go without beer for three months.

I’m not sure what you expected them to do at the end, but they would’ve been slaughtered in seconds. A government overthrow needs to include more than a couple of dozen people holing up in a bakery. I hear the cops were mostly on their best behavior though and no one was killed, so maybe they’re learning something. Can you imagine how this would’ve went down 3 months ago?  The cops would’ve watched “Rambo” on repeat for 24 straight hours and then lit those blocks up.
No you're right. But I would have thought that if you had the balls to capture several city blocks, you would have the balls to slug it out in the streets with the pigs. The Chazzers had guns and ammo. Oh well, they surrendered at Bataan and Wake Island also.

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They’d be lucky if any among them had actually training with guns/ammo. Real skills not hood training. Shooting randomly into crowds won’t cut it. All hype man

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Infamous wrote: They’d be lucky if any among them had actually training with guns/ammo. Real skills not hood training. Shooting randomly into crowds won’t cut it. All hype man
Considering the shooting skills of cops, I think it would be a fair fight. 

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CHOP was just dismantled.  The police arrested a bunch of people and cleared out the rest.  Almost all of the liberals in power in the state turned on it after a few incidents of violence.

It had nothing to do with the violence.  The lawlessness and shootings were all well and good, until they turned on Mayor Jenny Durkan and marched to her house.  Suddenly, Durkan "issued an emergency order declaring the blocks-long area an "unlawful assembly" that requires immediate action."  It took the mayor of the town a few weeks to figure this out?  Nah.  The fact is that our rabble-rousing leftists are fine with stirring the pot... right up to the moment that it starts to effect their gilded existence.  Once that happens, all bets are off.   

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/01/885954675/seattle-police-start-to-clear-capitol-hill-protest-zone-after-mayors-order

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Great article, I agree with about 95% of this.

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Did you read this story? Or watch the videos?

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I’m seeing it reported that NYC is seeing a huge spike in crime. Is that real or fake news?

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I’m seeing it reported that NYC is seeing a huge spike in crime. Is that real or fake news?
Don't know first hand because I refuse to step into Manhattan anymore. However, from every anecdotal story I've been told, even well before this total collapse started, NYC was sliding back into the 70's again. Homeless on the subway cars that smelled so bad the homeless guy would be the only one in it. Supposedly penny-ante crime like purse snatching was back up. These more recent stories I take with a healthy grain of salt because most of them seem to generate from Long Island people. The will tell you their daughter was nearly gang raped by twenty black guys because a colored kid held the door open for her and smiled lustfully.

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Those in NY 

I’m seeing it reported that NYC is seeing a huge spike in crime. Is that real or fake news?
Don't know first hand because I refuse to step into Manhattan anymore. However, from every anecdotal story I've been told, even well before this total collapse started, NYC was sliding back into the 70's again. Homeless on the subway cars that smelled so bad the homeless guy would be the only one in it. Supposedly penny-ante crime like purse snatching was back up. These more recent stories I take with a healthy grain of salt because most of them seem to generate from Long Island people. The will tell you their daughter was nearly gang raped by twenty black guys because a colored kid held the door open for her and smiled lustfully.

We discussed this elsewhere if you can find the posts.  A "huge spike in crime" over the last 2-3 weeks is so obviously wishful thinking by those who would benefit most from that, namely the police. 

As far as homeless on the subways, for the last 10 years that's been on the rise a bit, but absolutely NOTHING like I remember in the '80s. 

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I know it had been discussed recently but I keep seeing it which is why I asked. Everything seems to be rather fluid at the moment so I wasn’t sure if it had fallen into the Covid vortex of the sky is falling or if something had changed.

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These more recent stories I take with a healthy grain of salt because most of them seem to generate from Long Island people. The will tell you their daughter was nearly gang raped by twenty black guys because a colored kid held the door open for her and smiled lustfully.

I have mentioned this before.  My wife is from Northport.  Her family and in laws make my  growing up in rural eastern North Carolina look extremely inclusive. 

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Infamous wrote: I pelagic fish out of Montauk annually. If NYC is brought up in convo, I can see snarls develop on peoples faces. CityiotsI have zero problem with admitting I had to look up "pelagic" :)

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A good cop tried to expose a murder, and got suspended.

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So if the far left gains power are they going to devolve big cities into the Stone Age? I never see anything other than destruction.


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Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

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What changed with that part of town when Trump took office? How was it before?

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

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KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

Yeah, they're committed by Americans. 

That aside..it is what it is. Majority of murders here happen in NE and SE KC. It hasn't really spread to other parts of KC (although KCK also has a high murder rate per capita) I don't have any faith in shoving more gov't workers here thinking they'll fix the problem, when the problem has been around much longer than I have in this city.

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Sounds like Oklahoma just got a lot smaller

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Franchise wrote: What changed with that part of town when Trump took office? How was it before?

IT's been shit every since I got here in 1998...For some reason though the last 4 years it has really ramped up. 
https://www.kshb.com/news/homicide-tracker

Since  2015 this has been the trend....150 -187-203-207-225 and now this year we're at 142 just past the midway point.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

Yeah, they're committed by Americans. 

Mmm hmm. 

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Franchise wrote: I know it had been discussed recently but I keep seeing it which is why I asked. Everything seems to be rather fluid at the moment so I wasn’t sure if it had fallen into the Covid vortex of the sky is falling or if something had changed.
What’s Cincy like nowadays?  We were thinking of doing a road trip on a weekend later this summer.  I know fans won’t be allowed inside for a game but was hoping to maybe do a stadium tour at the Reds ballpark.

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Blazer wrote: Franchise wrote: I know it had been discussed recently but I keep seeing it which is why I asked. Everything seems to be rather fluid at the moment so I wasn’t sure if it had fallen into the Covid vortex of the sky is falling or if something had changed.
What’s Cincy like nowadays?  We were thinking of doing a road trip on a weekend later this summer.  I know fans won’t be allowed inside for a game but was hoping to maybe do a stadium tour at the Reds ballpark.


I haven’t heard of any issues outside of the initial protests, seems like for the most part Cincy got back to work  

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KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

Yeah, they're committed by Americans. 

Mmm hmm. 

So KGB, what do you think is the reason for that "fairly common thread among all the murders"? 

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krazykid18 wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

Yeah, they're committed by Americans. 

Mmm hmm. 

So KGB, what do you think is the reason for that "fairly common thread among all the murders"? 

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Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: krazykid18 wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: KGB wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Franchise wrote: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-william-p-barr-announces-launch-operation-legend
Heard about this last night...Won't make a difference. This shit has been increasing every year since Trump took office. Most of it takes place on the east side of town, and to be honest...most of us don't go there or give a shit about that section of the city. KC per capita has one of the highest murder rates in the US for metro areas. It's not like we can blame it on "gun control" as it's pretty much non existant here anyways. 

Looking at the stats, it appears there's a fairly common thread among all the murders.  

Yeah, they're committed by Americans. 

Mmm hmm. 

So KGB, what do you think is the reason for that "fairly common thread among all the murders"? 

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I don't think Trumps wife is a real root cause personally...but maybe

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Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?
In theory less police responding = less dead African Americans...but probably more dead social workers/whomever takes their place answering certain kinds of calls. 

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khawk wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?
In theory less police responding = less dead African Americans...but probably more dead social workers/whomever takes their place answering certain kinds of calls. 


Police probably prevent 1% of crime, if somebody wants to blow your head off you better hope you are aware of the attack and d efend or that they are a bad shooter..
Also i thought police kill more white people than blacks lmao

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krazykid18 wrote: khawk wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?
In theory less police responding = less dead African Americans...but probably more dead social workers/whomever takes their place answering certain kinds of calls. 


Police probably prevent 1% of crime, if somebody wants to blow your head off you better hope you are aware of the attack and d efend or that they are a bad shooter..
Also i thought police kill more white people than blacks lmao
Exactly. Police prevent next to nothing from happening. They're not made to be proactive. 99% of the time if someone calls the cops, they're already trying to stop the bleeding stab wound and their 4K TV has already been converted to 10 bundles of that sweet sweet China White.

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krazykid18 wrote: khawk wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?
In theory less police responding = less dead African Americans...but probably more dead social workers/whomever takes their place answering certain kinds of calls. 


Police probably prevent 1% of crime, if somebody wants to blow your head off you better hope you are aware of the attack and d efend or that they are a bad shooter..
Also i thought police kill more white people than blacks lmao

Numerically police absolutely kill more whites than blacks, but whites make up a bigger part of the population. Percentage-wise, they kill more blacks. But where BLM is always wrong is thinking that it’s just a racism problem and not a pig problem. They will and do kill anyone who they feel disrespected by. Blacks interact much more frequently with pigs though because black neighborhoods are more heavily patrolled. It’s not like this never happens in white neighborhoods though, if someone is stupid enough to call them to the area. 

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srossi wrote: krazykid18 wrote: khawk wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Franchise wrote: Seattle city council voted in favor of cutting the police budget by half right away.
I haven't really been following the "defund the police" movement so maybe there is something that I am missing. How is defunding the police supposed to result in safer communities? It sounds to me like the only people who would benefit from this are the criminals. What am I missing?
In theory less police responding = less dead African Americans...but probably more dead social workers/whomever takes their place answering certain kinds of calls. 


Police probably prevent 1% of crime, if somebody wants to blow your head off you better hope you are aware of the attack and d efend or that they are a bad shooter..
Also i thought police kill more white people than blacks lmao

Numerically police absolutely kill more whites than blacks, but whites make up a bigger part of the population. Percentage-wise, they kill more blacks. But where BLM is always wrong is thinking that it’s just a racism problem and not a pig problem. They will and do kill anyone who they feel disrespected by. Blacks interact much more frequently with pigs though because black neighborhoods are more heavily patrolled. It’s not like this never happens in white neighborhoods though, if someone is stupid enough to call them to the area. 



I think police reform especially the demilitarization of the police would be good. I think some laws should be changed as well including the whole “I pulled you over for a cracked tail light but Now I smell the devils weed!!!!!!!” Which would likely cut down on the interaction count which would be a positive. I think the police either really need to be involved in the community so they can build a relationship or they need to be like the fire department and only show up when called. Giving out tickets for speeding on a vacant highway while illegal isnt hurting anyone accept for the person getting the ticket. 


The issue I see with defunding the police is it creates a power vacuum and someone always wants to fill it. If I had to choose I’d rather have the sheriff walking my neighborhood than a national guards person from the Chop / Chaz. Theoretically the sheriff would be policing by the letter of the law were as it could be argued the Chop / Chaz guards police on personal morality. I am curious to see how these proposed armed neighborhood watch groups navigate the legal system because like I’ve said before drawing a weapon on someone Outside of your home unless you are in grave danger seems to equal breaking the law even if shots aren’t fired. 


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Police officers had bottles thrown at them and were injured. The story though is that the local news media remains virtually silent. Also last night, Bloomingdale's on Michigan Avenue was looted. Hardly a peep on the news.

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And Portland is on day 9 million of protests. I’m not a lawyer or a historian but I would think at some point someone in local power is obligated to do something to stop the unrest or to turn it over to the feds to stop it with vocal approval of the local government.



I know government officials are afforded certain protections but at some point once you know what you are allowing is dangerous I would think there is a certain obligation like it or not.

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There's also the fact that most newspapers have now settled on capitalizing "Black" while continuing to use lower case for "white".

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tamalie wrote: A guy who participated in the Minneapolis riots posted to social media an account of his conduct on the night the 3rd precinct police station was burned down, including posing in photos and/or videos with items he looted including body armor, a knight stick, a radio, and a clip for a 9mm pistol although not the gun to go with it. His employer got wind of this and fired him. He showed up there later in the day, presumably to get his stuff since there has been no accusation of him going there with any ill intent. The St. Paul PD was called and the guy was arrested. He has since admitted to being inside the police station while it was on fire, including pushing a barrel into the fire to fuel it. He has priors for trespassing and interfering with a 911 call, in the latter case pleading down to that as a way of getting charges dropped for domestic assault, property damage, disorderly conduct, and trespassing. Upon learning of his kid's latest arrest, his father was quoted by the Minneapolis Star Tribune as saying about his son, “He has grandiose ideas, a lot of them … and zero common sense.” 

In an odd sidelight, the newspaper had previously run a story about cleanup efforts in the riot zone after the trouble ended. Among many damaged buildings was a large liquor store across the street from the police station that had been torched with the fire department unable to get to the scene because of the chaos in the streets. As looters fled the building while the fire got out of control, people on the street shouted that someone who had gone in hadn't come out. The fire was too much for anyone to go back in to check. During the cleanup effort, the same person from the matter described above was named as one of the people who'd defied barriers and fire department warnings about the burned up structure being dangerously unstable to go in and dig through the rubble in search of the possibly missing person. At this point no one has been found or reported missing, so likely the belief someone was trapped in the burning building was mistaken. The only plausible possibility of someone perishing at this point would be if it was someone from a nearby homeless encampment who'd either not be noticed as missing or not reported as such.

No dead body was recovered from the burned down liquor store. However, yesterday demolition workers clearing rubble from a nearby pawn shop that was burned down found a corpse amidst the debris. The corpse was badly burned and has gone through decomposition. Whether the death came from burning or perhaps smoke inhalation is unknown. Police had already arrested a man last month for setting the fire. Now homicide or at least manslaughter charges are in the mix. The identity of the dead person has not been released although authorities have stated the it was a male. 

It's odd because there haven't been any public mentions of people being missing or unaccounted for in the aftermath of the riots. No appeals for information about such people have been made. My guess is the deceased was somebody living a life that would make their sudden disappearance either go unnoticed or not seem out of the ordinary. There is a big homeless camp nearby. There are also a lot of gutter punks who drift in and out. It's also possible it was someone not from one of those groups that came from out of town and whose family and friends might be looking for him at home, but hadn't thought to search up here.

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Hey Murica!  For any of you more up on BLM  is any of this true? 




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I didn’t see this specifically but I had heard some of this. I think it was Brandon Tatum that said something’s when he was comparing it to the black panther movement (which was before my time) And how they fed the homeless and improved schools etc with the money they raised.

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That's story #4289 where, if the races were reversed, it would have been on a 24/7 news cycle and every white person in America would have been personally responsible for it.

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Trump has sent 150 federal agents to help with the chaos in Chicago. There are a couple of important takes on this. First, 150 "agents" isn't shit to control this city. I don't think 150 guys could pull all of the weeds in my backyard right now, let alone control the crime. The bigger issue is that most of this (like 99%) has nothing to do with Antifa or BLM. There are continued gang shootings on the south and west sides. Just two days ago, 15 people were shot outside a funeral home as retaliation. It's unreal. There's no way just 150 troops could control this. We need like 20,000 National Guard troops stationed on every street corner. And then there is continued looting and graffiti and general fuckery downtown. This is something that's never happened before, but it's the angry young AA kids riding on the Red Line or Green Line downtown and hanging out and fucking things up on the weekends.

On Twitter, I saw some out of touch lefty "mom" reply to the story of Trump sending troops. She said she would be coming to Chicago to fight back against them. She has no clue as to what the issue is. This has nothing to do with troops trying to control protesters (regardless of the Columbus statue fiasco from last Friday evening). This has more to do with out of control gang crime and general fuckery.

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Those people in Portland can run around with umbrellas, leaf blowers and hammers and think whatever they want but you are right the people in Chicago aren’t playing games with each other.

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I heard about this but didn’t see it until a few minutes ago.

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Blazer wrote: Trump has sent 150 federal agents to help with the chaos in Chicago. There are a couple of important takes on this. First, 150 "agents" isn't shit to control this city. I don't think 150 guys could pull all of the weeds in my backyard right now, let alone control the crime. The bigger issue is that most of this (like 99%) has nothing to do with Antifa or BLM. There are continued gang shootings on the south and west sides. Just two days ago, 15 people were shot outside a funeral home as retaliation. It's unreal. There's no way just 150 troops could control this. We need like 20,000 National Guard troops stationed on every street corner. And then there is continued looting and graffiti and general fuckery downtown. This is something that's never happened before, but it's the angry young AA kids riding on the Red Line or Green Line downtown and hanging out and fucking things up on the weekends.

On Twitter, I saw some out of touch lefty "mom" reply to the story of Trump sending troops. She said she would be coming to Chicago to fight back against them. She has no clue as to what the issue is. This has nothing to do with troops trying to control protesters (regardless of the Columbus statue fiasco from last Friday evening). This has more to do with out of control gang crime and general fuckery.
I really wish there was a "Like" button on this board. Great insight.

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WongLee wrote: Blazer wrote: Trump has sent 150 federal agents to help with the chaos in Chicago. There are a couple of important takes on this. First, 150 "agents" isn't shit to control this city. I don't think 150 guys could pull all of the weeds in my backyard right now, let alone control the crime. The bigger issue is that most of this (like 99%) has nothing to do with Antifa or BLM. There are continued gang shootings on the south and west sides. Just two days ago, 15 people were shot outside a funeral home as retaliation. It's unreal. There's no way just 150 troops could control this. We need like 20,000 National Guard troops stationed on every street corner. And then there is continued looting and graffiti and general fuckery downtown. This is something that's never happened before, but it's the angry young AA kids riding on the Red Line or Green Line downtown and hanging out and fucking things up on the weekends.

On Twitter, I saw some out of touch lefty "mom" reply to the story of Trump sending troops. She said she would be coming to Chicago to fight back against them. She has no clue as to what the issue is. This has nothing to do with troops trying to control protesters (regardless of the Columbus statue fiasco from last Friday evening). This has more to do with out of control gang crime and general fuckery.
I really wish there was a "Like" button on this board. Great insight.


The agents going to Chicago are part of operation legend which if different than diligent valor. The agents going to Chicago are going to be investigating crimes and working with local law enforcement not protecting federal property. 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53548415?at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom4=3FC66928-CF84-11EA-A8D4-F97596E8478F&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&fbclid=IwAR0sy53F-yEaM5zcwe5Vm4z0kNjUxktOXYqhGKsFAb-Q1wgFqpZp6ik3Ffw

I knew Garrett Foster a bit online.  We posted on the same Libertarian Facebook pages and occasionally interacted.  He was murdered at a BLM rally doing absolutely nothing but trying to get his black disabled girlfriend across the street in a wheelchair.  Trump hatemongers have now slandered him in death by calling him a Marxist, communist, liberal agitator, and all the usual bullshit, which of course he was the opposite of.  He was a huge Ron Paul supporter, a Libertarian, and an old school conservative before Trump hijacked the party.  These assholes are explicitly condoning his murder at the hands of what will likely turn out to be other Trump supporting white supremacists and more or less saying he deserved to die because of his politics, and the fucktards don't even know his politics because they know nothing about him.  They will of course deny this, but the Facebook posts that I've read tonight say it all.  Many Trump fans 100% support first degree murder of those they disagree with and just call anyone a Marxist to justify it.  I have never had less patience for these fucking retards than I do tonight.  Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who tolerates his bullshit.

This was his last Facebook post before he was murdered, and it's certainly a good one.  R.I.P. Garrett.


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I’ve only seen some still photos and video from down the street so obviously I have no idea what really happened and it’s never good to see anyone lose their life.


I will say however I really don’t understand the logic of allowing cars and protestors to mix and I really don’t like it when people carry guns in public. Between this shooting and the NFAC accidental shooting this weekend was a bad weekend.

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Gives a good breakdown of strategies and tactics of antifa even if Jerry Nadler doesn’t believe they exist.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3HhCCGwSk

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Interesting article


https://medium.com/@mtracey/two-months-since-the-riots-and-still-no-national-conversation-12a7e3e4e006

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Has anyone seen the leaked Bodycam footage from the George Floyd arrest? 


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I'm sure both sides will see what they want.  The BLM types will say that he was harassed to the point of distraction.  Others will say he was totally wound up and caused his own problems.  The one key thing to note is he kept saying "I can't breath" while still sitting in the car, well before he was subdued.  

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Not to make excuses but he was all of a sudden claustrophobic when the cops tried to put him in the back of the squad car. But he was fine sitting in his own vehicle.

I think he was either on something or very low IQ. Again not excuses because it should t have ended up with him dying. But everything the cops said to him had to be repeated 50 times at least. 

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Angelic Assassin wrote: I think he was either on something or very low IQ.  

Both would be my guess.

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KGB wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: I think he was either on something or very low IQ.  

Both would be my guess.


This also shows the irresponsibility of the media, this video paints a completely different picture than what was seen in the first video.

Not trying to exonerate the cops though unlike other I really have nothing against cops in general because I haven't had a negative interaction with them.
It's bad that George Floyd is dead but are cops at some point supposed to say ok George or whoever it is, " you are a little uncomfortable,  resisting arrest but hey, go on a meth fuel rd rampage, potentially injuring or killing someone and just show up at the precinct in six hours and it's all cool. "

On the bad is of this footage George Floyd is partially complicit  in his own death. Sad but true. 

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I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".

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srossi wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53548415?at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=facebook_page&at_custom4=3FC66928-CF84-11EA-A8D4-F97596E8478F&at_campaign=64&at_custom3=BBC+News&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&fbclid=IwAR0sy53F-yEaM5zcwe5Vm4z0kNjUxktOXYqhGKsFAb-Q1wgFqpZp6ik3Ffw

I knew Garrett Foster a bit online.  We posted on the same Libertarian Facebook pages and occasionally interacted.  He was murdered at a BLM rally doing absolutely nothing but trying to get his black disabled girlfriend across the street in a wheelchair.  Trump hatemongers have now slandered him in death by calling him a Marxist, communist, liberal agitator, and all the usual bullshit, which of course he was the opposite of.  He was a huge Ron Paul supporter, a Libertarian, and an old school conservative before Trump hijacked the party.  These assholes are explicitly condoning his murder at the hands of what will likely turn out to be other Trump supporting white supremacists and more or less saying he deserved to die because of his politics, and the fucktards don't even know his politics because they know nothing about him.  They will of course deny this, but the Facebook posts that I've read tonight say it all.  Many Trump fans 100% support first degree murder of those they disagree with and just call anyone a Marxist to justify it.  I have never had less patience for these fucking retards than I do tonight.  Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who tolerates his bullshit.

This was his last Facebook post before he was murdered, and it's certainly a good one.  R.I.P. Garrett.


The backstory of Garrett and his girlfriend was absolutely heartbreaking. They started dating at 17 and it was one of those love at first sight things. At only 19 years old his girlfriend became a quadruple amputee because of some toxic infection. Did this guy run to the hills? Nope, he stayed with her and from all accounts was totally devoted to her. For obvious reasons she is inconsolable. This is something she will probably never get over.

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KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Are you fucking kidding?  That video has absolutely NOTHING to do with that cop murdering him after he was already subdued.   That cop hadn't even arrived yet at the beginning of the earlier video.  You cease being human when you justify cold-blooded murder because someone may have been high or uncooperative.  

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KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

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Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

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Why didn’t they release the bodycam footage sooner?


What impact will excited delirium have on the court case?

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 

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Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 


Yeesh.  Apparently thinking that the deaths, violence, riots, and destruction that happened because of the chimp outs over George Floyd's death were disgraceful makes one a supporter of "murder".  Maybe you're not one for nuance, srossi, but it's possible to condemn Floyd's death while at the same time believing that it wasn't the cold-blooded murder that touched off carnage in our streets.  It's possible to believe that irresponsible and opportunistic types, particularly in the media, took a grain of truth about Floyd's death and used it to incite the clueless among us, to encourage them to burn down city after city.  So yeah, when the same media refuses to cover an aspect of the story that might substantially change the narrative, it's disgusting.  
What, was George Floyd your dealer or something?  

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KGB wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 


Yeesh.  Apparently thinking that the deaths, violence, riots, and destruction that happened because of the chimp outs over George Floyd's death were disgraceful makes one a supporter of "murder".  Maybe you're not one for nuance, srossi, but it's possible to condemn Floyd's death while at the same time believing that it wasn't the cold-blooded murder that touched off carnage in our streets.  It's possible to believe that irresponsible and opportunistic types, particularly in the media, took a grain of truth about Floyd's death and used it to incite the clueless among us, to encourage them to burn down city after city.  So yeah, when the same media refuses to cover an aspect of the story that might substantially change the narrative, it's disgusting.  
What, was George Floyd your dealer or something?  

Talking about nuance is rich coming from you. What’s being protested is a cop murdering a guy in footage that was clear as day. What was just released is earlier before that cop even arrived. It had nothing to do with him being suffocated after being restrained. Thinking this video changes anything is really grasping at straws. In a worst case scenario this guy couldn’t killed 163 cops and it doesn’t change that he was later murdered after restrained. And of course he didn’t do that. He acted a little incapacitated and confused. If the cops have license to kill every drunk and junkie in the country then there wouldn’t be many left, least of all other cops who are typically the biggest drunks and junkies. 

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 


Yeesh.  Apparently thinking that the deaths, violence, riots, and destruction that happened because of the chimp outs over George Floyd's death were disgraceful makes one a supporter of "murder".  Maybe you're not one for nuance, srossi, but it's possible to condemn Floyd's death while at the same time believing that it wasn't the cold-blooded murder that touched off carnage in our streets.  It's possible to believe that irresponsible and opportunistic types, particularly in the media, took a grain of truth about Floyd's death and used it to incite the clueless among us, to encourage them to burn down city after city.  So yeah, when the same media refuses to cover an aspect of the story that might substantially change the narrative, it's disgusting.  
What, was George Floyd your dealer or something?  

Talking about nuance is rich coming from you. What’s being protested is a cop murdering a guy in footage that was clear as day. What was just released is earlier before that cop even arrived. It had nothing to do with him being suffocated after being restrained. Thinking this video changes anything is really grasping at straws. In a worst case scenario this guy couldn’t killed 163 cops and it doesn’t change that he was later murdered after restrained. And of course he didn’t do that. He acted a little incapacitated and confused. If the cops have license to kill every drunk and junkie in the country then there wouldn’t be many left, least of all other cops who are typically the biggest drunks and junkies. 


How many "innocent" people have died or been beaten near to death since this fucking Shi show started? Is meth head fucked Floyd dying justification for that?Still feel he shouldn't be dead   but he was doing his I "I can't breathe " mantra from the minute the first cops came up on him. 

Since then there have been a minimum of 30 death, countless millions and probably in the billions now of theft and vandalism by very misunderstood poor black people and professional welfare recipients with  IQ's in the 60s. Is any of that justified? 


If you think yes then you are an even stupider piece of shit than I already figured you for.

I Do Hope I Haven't Affected Your Delicate SensIbilities Though. 






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If some Antifa freak or a black man with meth in his system and an axe to grind goes after your wife and kid looking for vengeance for George Floyd are you going to let him. 

You going to blame the cops? You'll be screaming for them like a little bitch..


The problem with trying to have a rational discussions with the Left and you Libtard freaks is that you fucking idiots are so far gone that nothing matters to you. Others are not allowed to have a different opinion than you because you start stomping your feet and crying like little babies. 

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srossi wrote:  He acted a little incapacitated and confused. 
That's one way of putting it.  To others it looked like he needed a padded cell in detox. The guy was a heart attack waiting to happen.  And yeah, that's a pretty fucking relevant facet of this story.  

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Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 


Yeesh.  Apparently thinking that the deaths, violence, riots, and destruction that happened because of the chimp outs over George Floyd's death were disgraceful makes one a supporter of "murder".  Maybe you're not one for nuance, srossi, but it's possible to condemn Floyd's death while at the same time believing that it wasn't the cold-blooded murder that touched off carnage in our streets.  It's possible to believe that irresponsible and opportunistic types, particularly in the media, took a grain of truth about Floyd's death and used it to incite the clueless among us, to encourage them to burn down city after city.  So yeah, when the same media refuses to cover an aspect of the story that might substantially change the narrative, it's disgusting.  
What, was George Floyd your dealer or something?  

Talking about nuance is rich coming from you. What’s being protested is a cop murdering a guy in footage that was clear as day. What was just released is earlier before that cop even arrived. It had nothing to do with him being suffocated after being restrained. Thinking this video changes anything is really grasping at straws. In a worst case scenario this guy couldn’t killed 163 cops and it doesn’t change that he was later murdered after restrained. And of course he didn’t do that. He acted a little incapacitated and confused. If the cops have license to kill every drunk and junkie in the country then there wouldn’t be many left, least of all other cops who are typically the biggest drunks and junkies. 


How many "innocent" people have died or been beaten near to death since this fucking Shi show started? Is meth head fucked Floyd dying justification for that?Still feel he shouldn't be dead   but he was doing his I "I can't breathe " mantra from the minute the first cops came up on him. 

Since then there have been a minimum of 30 death, countless millions and probably in the billions now of theft and vandalism by niggers and professional welfare recipients with  IQ's in the 60s. Is any of that justified? 


If you think yes then you are an even stupider piece of shit than I already figured you for.

We'll save this one for posterity of the time you casually dropped the n word.  This isn't even the Rubber Room and is very Google friendly.  But you sure make some excellent points, as always.  Totally coherent.

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srossi wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: KGB wrote: I caught the network evening news yesterday and didn't see anything about this video. Not surprised they don't want to touch it after they spent months somberly agreeing with the motives behind the riots. They're likely trying to figure out how to plausibly claim it's "deceptively edited".
Of course not, no mention of this anywhere other than a snippet on CNN.com yesterday where the video was hacked down to only show a couple of moments when the police initially had their gun drawn.  Of course, half the country has been burnt to the ground now, monuments have been torn down, people have been injured and killed, and everyone knew this type of video was out there.  This guy was hopped up on a cocktail of  meth and fentanyl per the toxicology reports and wouldn't comply, went berzerk and had a heart attack.  
Funny, kind of a tangent, but I had 5 cubic yards of mulch delivered about a month ago to the house.  I spent the entire day spreading it around the planting beds in the backyard.  The landscape company dumps it partially in the street, so everyone kinda has to see it and drive around it.   A village police officer pulled up as I was about 50% finished, and he joked, "You got enough mulch there?!".  We had a pleasant conversation.  He wanted to know how much it cost and where I ordered it because he's doing a project at home.  So towards the end I kinda asked him about his thoughts on all the shit going on.  He said two things.  First, that knee to the neck may be an acceptable "manuever" with the Minneapolis Police Dept and those guys may be trained to use it.  If so, these guys will get off.  Second, after all the shit that went down in Chicago in late May, he said the media wouldn't report on any of the shit that police officers have to deal with with BLM and Antifa, ie racist graffitti all over our village.  
Anyway, the media is certainly aggressively pushing their agenda.

A police officer said all that, did he?  Fascinating.  I would've expected him to call himself a pig and self-immolate.  I had a conversation with a mafia hitman and he said he was doing the Lord's work and then showed me the communion pictures of his twin daughters.  We laughed and cried.  Lovely fellow.  So misunderstood.

Someone's off their medication. 


Yeesh.  Apparently thinking that the deaths, violence, riots, and destruction that happened because of the chimp outs over George Floyd's death were disgraceful makes one a supporter of "murder".  Maybe you're not one for nuance, srossi, but it's