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Paul E had a knack for 'the surprise'

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Other than this and a singles match with Dreamer, the Lawler-ECW feud barely touched down in ECW actually. It was much more prominently featured on Raw and in the USWA. Many moons ago, I had a VHS tape with a compilation of all of the USWA vs. ECW stuff on it. It's pretty interesting. USWA was at the end of the road in 1997, it's last months. They didn't have much in the way of homegrown talent left, and they basically gave the show over to ECW in what I imagine was a last-ditch attempt to survive. Lance Russell was still absolutely amazing here in interacting with the ECW guys, who all played the heels of course, and you could tell how much they respected Russell because they really played along with his style so well (which was NOT ECW style at all), especially Dreamer.   I feel like not many people have probably seen much of that though. Even in tape trading circles at the time, it flew under the radar a bit.

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Now about this match. This was the final Dreamer-Raven match in a 2 year feud in which Dreamer never won. Raven was going to WCW and everyone knew it. Everyone also knew that Dreamer would have to finally win in this final battle. But they popped on every single false finish and with just DDTs and run-ins the last 5 minutes had the crowd enthralled.

As was always the case, after Dreamer experiences true joy he had to have it all gone crashing down on him. That was the Lawler attack where Dreamer legit had a testicle popped by that cane shot. This had been done previously and would happen again when Dreamer finally won the ECW title from WWE’s Taz only to lose it seconds later to Justin Credible. They needed to come up with an angle on the fly after Mike Awesome left with the belt, and of course they came up with the scenario of Taz coming back to win it. Then they needed to get the belt off Taz a week later and Dreamer was really the obvious choice, but he felt like his character should never win the big one. So the story became that he finally became World champ but never even got to strap the belt around his waist before losing it. All of this is just brilliant booking that lasted for years and always stayed true to the characters.



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I think Lawler and (later) Cornette came in and beat the crapola out of the ECW babyfaces and then left unscathed.

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Cornette has told the story many times about how he came to make the appearance for ECW.

Chris Candido asked him to make the shot as a surprise because they always had one. Jim says how can it be a surprise if people are expecting it? Anyway, he agrees to do it on one condition. He doesn't want pay, just for Paul to apologize to Dennis Coralluzzo over the NWA title double cross and agree to end their beef and share talent. 

So Paul goes all out. He sends a limo to pick Jim up at the WWF offices. They scoop up Dennis and eat dinner at Morton's Steakhouse, all on Heyman's dime. They then go to the ECW Arena where Paul is waiting. He comes out to the car and says you can't go in just yet, we're waiting on the right time, But first he shakes hands with Dennis and says bygones are bygones and he'll tell the boys the war is over. Corny does the run in, blah blah, but as they rush him back to the limo Paul slaps an envelope in his hand as he gets in and it takes off.

The envelope turns out to contain $750 cash. Paul also went back on his word to share talent with Dennis as a few days later he was knocking him again to the boys. So Paul once again lied and as always did what he had to do to get what he wanted.

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DJP wrote: The envelope turns out to contain $750 cash. Paul also went back on his word to share talent with Dennis as a few days later he was knocking him again to the boys. So Paul once again lied and as always did what he had to do to get what he wanted.
Well that's Cornette's side of the story.  Coralluzzo wasn't a gnat on Paul E.'s ass at that point.  There was little damage that could be done in knocking him to anyone, if it happened or not, and the NWA couldn't have drawn 6 people in Dennis' living room if Paul E. sent him The Sandman and Sabu.  The NWA at that time made the NWA today look like WCW in 1998.   



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Tommy Dreamer didn't want to pin Raven. He wanted the story of coming close but never beating the guy to continue with the idea that everyone moves around in wrestling and someday Raven would come back and they could pick things up again. However, Paul Heyman overruled him, I believe on the basis that Raven leaving without Dreamer beating him would make Tommy and ECW look bad as well as knowing that it wasn't a given that Raven would be back in the future and therefore it was time to end the story. Dreamer barely getting to celebrate before Lawler attacked him was a concession of sorts to keeping Tommy as the underdog.

When he briefly won the ECW Title in 2000 only to lose it minutes later after being goaded into an impromptu match by Justin Credible, it was a similar situation. Tommy didn't want the ECW Title, but when the deal was made to get the belt from the WCW bound Mike Awesome to Tazz who was in the WWE to Dreamer, the idea was Heyman wanted Tazz losing to a staple ECW guy in Tommy Dreamer. Losing the title right away, with Joel Gertner mournfully saying on commentary that Tommy never even got to wear the belt before falling to Credible, was another way of putting Tommy back in the underdog role.

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srossi wrote: DJP wrote: The envelope turns out to contain $750 cash. Paul also went back on his word to share talent with Dennis as a few days later he was knocking him again to the boys. So Paul once again lied and as always did what he had to do to get what he wanted.
Well that's Cornette's side of the story.  Coralluzzo wasn't a gnat on Paul E.'s ass at that point.  There was little damage that could be done in knocking him to anyone, if it happened or not, and the NWA couldn't have drawn 6 people in Dennis' living room if Paul E. sent him The Sandman and Sabu.  The NWA at that time made the NWA today look like WCW in 1998.   

Coralluzzo was a friend of Jim's and Corny was a big time proponent of the NWA even when it didn't mean shit to anybody else. So the point is he wasn't going to do any business with ECW unless Paul apologized to Dennis for what happened and buried the hatchet, whether Dennis was a gnat on Paul's ass or not. He even said to Heyman, paraphrasing, "I know you're full of shit just don't be full of shit with me". But Paul was full of shit  and did what he had to do to get Corny to do the show. He paid him, according to Jim, because he knew he was going to fuck him.

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DJP wrote: srossi wrote: DJP wrote: The envelope turns out to contain $750 cash. Paul also went back on his word to share talent with Dennis as a few days later he was knocking him again to the boys. So Paul once again lied and as always did what he had to do to get what he wanted.
Well that's Cornette's side of the story.  Coralluzzo wasn't a gnat on Paul E.'s ass at that point.  There was little damage that could be done in knocking him to anyone, if it happened or not, and the NWA couldn't have drawn 6 people in Dennis' living room if Paul E. sent him The Sandman and Sabu.  The NWA at that time made the NWA today look like WCW in 1998.   

Coralluzzo was a friend of Jim's and Corny was a big time proponent of the NWA even when it didn't mean shit to anybody else. So the point is he wasn't going to do any business with ECW unless Paul apologized to Dennis for what happened and buried the hatchet, whether Dennis was a gnat on Paul's ass or not. He even said to Heyman, paraphrasing, "I know you're full of shit just don't be full of shit with me". But Paul was full of shit did what he had to do to get Corny to do the show. He paid him, according to Jim, because he knew he was going to fuck him

Yeah but I'm questioning whether or not Paul really did talk shit to the boys about Dennis again, or if that's just Cornette's perception.  The truth is this is all childish anyway, like schoolboy negotiations and not real business.  Cornette agreed to do something and he wound up getting paid for it, the rest is nonsense. 



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srossi wrote: DJP wrote: srossi wrote: DJP wrote: The envelope turns out to contain $750 cash. Paul also went back on his word to share talent with Dennis as a few days later he was knocking him again to the boys. So Paul once again lied and as always did what he had to do to get what he wanted.
Well that's Cornette's side of the story.  Coralluzzo wasn't a gnat on Paul E.'s ass at that point.  There was little damage that could be done in knocking him to anyone, if it happened or not, and the NWA couldn't have drawn 6 people in Dennis' living room if Paul E. sent him The Sandman and Sabu.  The NWA at that time made the NWA today look like WCW in 1998.   

Coralluzzo was a friend of Jim's and Corny was a big time proponent of the NWA even when it didn't mean shit to anybody else. So the point is he wasn't going to do any business with ECW unless Paul apologized to Dennis for what happened and buried the hatchet, whether Dennis was a gnat on Paul's ass or not. He even said to Heyman, paraphrasing, "I know you're full of shit just don't be full of shit with me". But Paul was full of shit did what he had to do to get Corny to do the show. He paid him, according to Jim, because he knew he was going to fuck him

Yeah but I'm questioning whether or not Paul really did talk shit to the boys about Dennis again, or if that's just Cornette's perception.  The truth is this is all childish anyway, like schoolboy negotiations and not real business.  Cornette agreed to do something and he wound up getting paid for it, the rest is nonsense. 

They buried the hatchet privately in front of Cornette and Paul said he was going to tell the boys the "war" was over. But Paul supposedly never told the boys that and within a very short time came up with a reason not to work with him. He said to the boys we're not working with Dennis, but at the same time had never announced that they were going to. Corny is not sure what happened himself. But in the end he got a bunch of stuff he never asked for and the one thing he wanted he never got .



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It’s amazing to me how often Tommy could lose but still came across as a top draw and never seemed to lose steam once he had it. Granted this Was my view as an outsider living on the west coast.



If Jim really did that Then good for him and what a good friend he was to Dennis even if it didn’t work out as planned the intent was stellar.



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