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We may have a thread like this but I didn't find it....

What are some dumb things that happen in wrestling that annoy you?


Tournaments Brackets-  Why the fuck can't wrestling promotors create brackets?  It's not that damn hard!  I just watched Memphis & Mid South show tournament brackets and there are random byes into the finals and byes in the middle. 



Guest Refs- Putski always fucks shit up and blatantly cheats for the face.  The WWF had Kim Chee and Lou Albano as special guest refs on cards I just watched.  Why have Gene Kiniski ref the Flair-Race title match?  The kayfabe fucking thought process is ridiculous. 

"This match is important we need to get our best ref!  Tommy Young sound right?" 
 "I disagree.  We need a washed up old guy with no experience as a ref."  

"Good point!  Gene Kiniski is our man!"  

"Also-fuckin-loutly!!!"


Can you imaging the NFL deciding instead of using their top refs for the Super Bowl they are going to have Gronk, Earl Campbell, Ray Lewis, Joe Theismann, and Dexter Manley ref because of the magnitude of the game.  

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Non-wrestlers.

Why go through all the training and bullshit of training to become a wrestler when plenty of sportsmen and other celebrities are able to win main event wrestling matches on their first go?

Take Lawrence Taylor, winner of a WrestleMania main event. By wrestling logic, Bam Bam should have been able to play in the SuperBowl and been the MVP.

Imagine you're trying to convince your friends that wrestler have to train for years. They have to be great athletes and great entertainers, and only a select few ever get to grace the greatest stage of them all, WrestleMania. Your friends are taken in by your excitement and you all sit down to watch WrestleMania 27. Is that Snooki?



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Kriss wrote: Non-wrestlers.

Why go through all the training and bullshit of training to become a wrestler when plenty of sportsmen and other celebrities are able to win main event wrestling matches on their first go?

Take Lawrence Taylor, winner of a WrestleMania main event. By wrestling logic, Bam Bam should have been able to play in the SuperBowl and been the MVP.

Imagine you're trying to convince your friends that wrestler have to train for years. They have to be great athletes and great entertainers, and only a select few ever get to grace the greatest stage of them all, WrestleMania. Your friends are taken in by your excitement and you all sit down to watch WrestleMania 27. Is that Snooki?

That was the exact problem Piper and Orndorff had with Mr T at WM 1.  They felt he had no business being in the ring, especially in the main event of such a major card.

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A lot of wrestling tournament brackets make more sense than they seem, but the problem is fans and results compilers write them out incorrectly. You don't start with the first round and then move forward. When you do that, that's how the odd stuff with byes and not enough quarterfinals and semifinals turns up. You start with the final and then work backwards. The brackets don't always turn out perfectly, but they turn out a lot better.

Here is something dumb, wrestlers making their own matches and specifically champions determining their own challengers by granting title matches at the spur of the moment. The days of some sort of authority figure having control over this are long gone unfortunately.

When a heel is a guest referee, why do so many of them count fairly instead of doing blinding fast counts? Why don't they call bogus submissions when the heel gets the babyface in a headlock? If there are consequences for a heel ref going too far, then the promotion needs to tell the fans.

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You have to start with physics and work backwards from there. Once the Irish whip became a standard of wrestling, there was really nothing else that could be sillier. The idea that this could ever happen in real life, where someone would be shot into the ropes and would bounce back like a boomerang against his will without being able to stop his momentum ,and we're supposed to not clearly see him running, makes just about everything else that could possibly happen in wrestling seem legit. Can you imagine if the Irish whip was JUST invented in 2020 by Kenny Omega and no one had ever thought of it before?  Cornette would stroke out on the spot.

By the way, does anyone know what the original Irish whip credited to Danno O'Mohanoey looked like? I imagine it was an offensive move and not just a transition spot and looked quite different than what we imagine it today. Was it into the turnbuckles? Does anyone know what year the Irish whip that we all see today became popularized, where guys would just boomerang into clotheslines and back drops? By the '50s, it seems like it was already a common spot.

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srossi wrote: You have to start with physics and work backwards from there. Once the Irish whip became a standard of wrestling, there was really nothing else that could be sillier. The idea that this could ever happen in real life, where someone would be shot into the ropes and would bounce back like a boomerang against his will without being able to stop his momentum ,and we're supposed to not clearly see him running, makes just about everything else that could possibly happen in wrestling seem legit. Can you imagine if the Irish whip was JUST invented in 2020 by Kenny Omega and no one had ever thought of it before?  Cornette would stroke out on the spot.

By the way, does anyone know what the original Irish whip credited to Danno O'Mohanoey looked like? I imagine it was an offensive move and not just a transition spot and looked quite different than what we imagine it today. Was it into the turnbuckles? Does anyone know what year the Irish whip that we all see today became popularized, where guys would just boomerang into clotheslines and back drops? By the '50s, it seems like it was already a common spot.


The Irish whip we know today became popular because it allowed one wrestler to speak into the other's ear while staying in motion.

I believe O'Mahoney started using his Irish whip in 1935. He often used the move to win matches. You can see it in the middle of this video:



Newspaper writers weren't particularly convinced by this as a move that could end a match. Also, it seems that Gus Schoenlein, more famously known as Americus, was using this move in the 1910s. Nothing is ever new in wrestling



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Interesting, so he basically used the beginning of an Irish whip but turned it into some kind of armdrag/pinning combination. That makes more sense than what it became.



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Submission holds or finishers used half a dozen times by each wrestler with the opponent constantly escaping or kicking out.



There was a time when a finisher or submission move ended a match. Each wrestler might escape the others finisher 1time in a match but not repeatedly.



I really can't stand matches that look like they have Bern rehearsed ad nauseum beforehand. In a realist match some moves won't work as might be attributed to the opponent resisting a move being put on him.


I remember the days of a time limit draw but no more. It was used effectively as a way to build one wrestler's rep without necessarily damaging the opponent. All booking IMO has been shire for so long now it's sad.



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Titles not changing hands on a disqualification. Champ gets DQd in boxing - loses the title. 100m gold medallist is disqualified - loses the title. Wrestling champ is about to be beaten so he hits his opponent with a chair - keeps the title.



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kargol wrote: Titles not changing hands on a disqualification. Champ gets DQd in boxing - loses the title. 100m gold medallist is disqualified - loses the title. Wrestling champ is about to be beaten so he hits his opponent with a chair - keeps the title.
Even worse was when the champ loses fair and square due to blood loss, but doesn’t lose the title. Made almost no sense and the WWWF was basically built on that finish. 



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kargol wrote: Titles not changing hands on a disqualification. Champ gets DQd in boxing - loses the title. 100m gold medallist is disqualified - loses the title. Wrestling champ is about to be beaten so he hits his opponent with a chair - keeps the title.

Even worse is when someone would celebrate winning, thinking they had won the title, then being flabbergasted that the champion retained on the dq.



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The criss cross when everyone is criss crossing on the ropes always made me laugh.

And I don't know the name of the term, but when you had four guys all intertwined, and they are basically see-sawing, two guys sitting up, then the other team sits up while the first guys law down, and back and forth. I'm sure I didn't explain it properly. It seemed like it happened more in the black and white days of tv. Hopefully someone knows what I am talking about haha

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the squared circle wrote: And I don't know the name of the term, but when you had four guys all intertwined, and they are basically see-sawing, two guys sitting up, then the other team sits up while the first guys law down, and back and forth. I'm sure I didn't explain it properly. It seemed like it happened more in the black and white days of tv. Hopefully someone knows what I am talking about haha
The rowboat, a very popular comedy spot in Mexico to this day, although you haven't seen much of it in America since the early '80s.  The midgets always did it though.



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srossi wrote: the squared circle wrote: And I don't know the name of the term, but when you had four guys all intertwined, and they are basically see-sawing, two guys sitting up, then the other team sits up while the first guys law down, and back and forth. I'm sure I didn't explain it properly. It seemed like it happened more in the black and white days of tv. Hopefully someone knows what I am talking about haha
The rowboat, a very popular comedy spot in Mexico to this day, although you haven't seen much of it in America since the early '80s.  The midgets always did it though.


I'm pretty sure I've seen the row boat in a Colt Cabana match in the US. Probably the only wrestler who would even consider using that move in the past 40 years.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: the squared circle wrote: And I don't know the name of the term, but when you had four guys all intertwined, and they are basically see-sawing, two guys sitting up, then the other team sits up while the first guys law down, and back and forth. I'm sure I didn't explain it properly. It seemed like it happened more in the black and white days of tv. Hopefully someone knows what I am talking about haha
The rowboat, a very popular comedy spot in Mexico to this day, although you haven't seen much of it in America since the early '80s.  The midgets always did it though.


I'm pretty sure I've seen the row boat in a Colt Cabana match in the US. Probably the only wrestler who would even consider using that move in the past 40 years.


I'll make liar out of myself. This might be the most recent example in WWF though.



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