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 Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2020 04:06 pm
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Here it is... fast forward to 14:21


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmtajmuzm4

Results are on WrestlingData but I won't spoil it for you if future Mid South episodes actually cover it at all.


I think most tournaments are set up weird with deliberate byes and injuries or DQ's to lessen the amount of matches or yo build up the eventual winner by giving them a tougher row to hoe.

Do we even have a Memphis territory thread on here do I can see match results with Lawler winning a title every other day or am I just missing it!

I totally get why they are there, but for fuck's sake byes are at the beginning of tournaments not in the middle.  Pretend it's real... then have a double DQ or double CO or injury if you need to.  


Oh I agree but you can tell there is going to be shenanigans right off the hop by the number of teams.  10 teams means a bye in the next round and in the one after etc. 




They could have cobbled together some other teams I'm sure, 4 more teams would be needed for it to make sense and have 6 opening round bouts with 2 other teams getting byes, whatever. Then do your Dusty finishes or DQ's, injuries.


But of course it's all pre determined so they wanted the winners to have overcome insurmountable odds to win.
Who was booking at this time? Was it Lawler?



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That tourney in Memphis was pretty ridiculous. In this case the promotion is guilty of laying out the teams in the first round and then having goofy byes. The bracket tree should have been arranged to have first round byes, even if that is ridiculous in its own way, and then proper quarterfinals and semifinals.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Here it is... fast forward to 14:21


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmtajmuzm4

Results are on WrestlingData but I won't spoil it for you if future Mid South episodes actually cover it at all.


I think most tournaments are set up weird with deliberate byes and injuries or DQ's to lessen the amount of matches or yo build up the eventual winner by giving them a tougher row to hoe.

Do we even have a Memphis territory thread on here do I can see match results with Lawler winning a title every other day or am I just missing it!

I totally get why they are there, but for fuck's sake byes are at the beginning of tournaments not in the middle.  Pretend it's real... then have a double DQ or double CO or injury if you need to.  


Oh I agree but you can tell there is going to be shenanigans right off the hop by the number of teams.  10 teams means a bye in the next round and in the one after etc. 




They could have cobbled together some other teams I'm sure, 4 more teams would be needed for it to make sense and have 6 opening round bouts with 2 other teams getting byes, whatever. Then do your Dusty finishes or DQ's, injuries.


But of course it's all pre determined so they wanted the winners to have overcome insurmountable odds to win.
Who was booking at this time? Was it Lawler?



I kinda get the idea here though.  Go back and look at the results of the Crockett Cups (I can't remember if it was the 1st one or 2nd one).  There was a year where the Sheepherders were eliminated but came back and wrestled again, and some other team wrestled an odd number of same-round matches.  It was like a 2nd grader tried to write the brackets and forgot what they were doing.



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Blazer wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Here it is... fast forward to 14:21


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmtajmuzm4

Results are on WrestlingData but I won't spoil it for you if future Mid South episodes actually cover it at all.


I think most tournaments are set up weird with deliberate byes and injuries or DQ's to lessen the amount of matches or yo build up the eventual winner by giving them a tougher row to hoe.

Do we even have a Memphis territory thread on here do I can see match results with Lawler winning a title every other day or am I just missing it!

I totally get why they are there, but for fuck's sake byes are at the beginning of tournaments not in the middle.  Pretend it's real... then have a double DQ or double CO or injury if you need to.  


Oh I agree but you can tell there is going to be shenanigans right off the hop by the number of teams.  10 teams means a bye in the next round and in the one after etc. 




They could have cobbled together some other teams I'm sure, 4 more teams would be needed for it to make sense and have 6 opening round bouts with 2 other teams getting byes, whatever. Then do your Dusty finishes or DQ's, injuries.


But of course it's all pre determined so they wanted the winners to have overcome insurmountable odds to win.
Who was booking at this time? Was it Lawler?



I kinda get the idea here though.  Go back and look at the results of the Crockett Cups (I can't remember if it was the 1st one or 2nd one).  There was a year where the Sheepherders were eliminated but came back and wrestled again, and some other team wrestled an odd number of same-round matches.  It was like a 2nd grader tried to write the brackets and forgot what they were doing.

It was the last Crockett Cup in 1988 where the brackets were all screwed up.

Also speaking of tournaments, it never made sense or seemed fair to me how Doink and Mr. Perfect were allowed to have three matches against each other to qualify for the 1993 King of the Ring event (first two matches had no winner) while Crush and Shawn Michaels wrestled only one qualifying match against each other, no contested, but were disqualified altogether from the tourney (but ended up wrestling each other for the IC title on the show). 

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Watching AEW, something that happens so often that it is accepted.

Heel wrestler does something to distract referee. Referee follows distraction allowing heel's partner to affect outcome.

How many times does it need to happen before referees say, you know what, you are very obviously trying to distract me, by doing something against the rules, like bringing in a chair or belt or whatever. Fine, you bring it in, you're disqualified, no questions asked.



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Kevin Dunn still has a job. Vince Russo had a job. Aren't they enough?

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This is a long standing one, but wrestling promotions trying to pretend something didn't happen when fans all saw that it did either by ignoring it or saying something to the contrary.

An example is Ivan Koloff being named Manny Fernandez's new NWA World Tag Team Title partner in mid 1987 after Rick Rude quit, only for the promotion to air a months old match in which the Rock & Roll Express either won a non title match or won a single fall of a best of three falls match and pass it off as a current title change. The entire Ivan Koloff episode was completely ignored.

Another example was when Cousin Junior left the WWF in late 1985 and was replaced by Cousin Luke. I don't recall there ever being an acknowledgement or explanation for Junior leaving. Suddenly Luke was there and the WWF essentially acted as if he'd been in the Hillbillies trio with Hillbilly Jim and Uncle Elmer all along.

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I may have mentioned this earlier, but I hate when a ref's decision can be changed by:

A. listening to the crowd

B. another ref from the back

C. replay

D. a commissioner or office guy

Most of the time the ref's decisions are final, but sometimes they are not. How bout some fuckin' continuity.



Along the same lines: Title match- the assigned ref is out due to a ref bump, so a ref from the back counts the pin. Then the win and title switch are overturned because it wasn't counted by the ref assigned to the match. But then again sometimes the second ref's count is legal. How bout some fuckin' continuity?



I just watched Eddie Gilbert pin someone in Memphis with his feet on the ropes to win a title. Then the crowd told the ref he cheated, so the ref asked Lance Russell, and Lance confirms the cheating, so the ref restarted the match without Gilbert realizing it and Gilbert gets schoolboyed for the loss. The opponent may have been Austin Idol.



Fast forward a few months Idol vs the champion Stan Hansen in a bull rope match... Jimmy Hart distracts the ref and Hansen throws powder in Idols eyes. Now, I'm thinking in a Bull Rope Match the powder should be legal, but whatever. Hansen touches all four corners and the ref declares him the winner. Then for no reason... (I think it was because the fans complained and then he saw the powder
on Idol, but it's not explained or obvious to the viewer) the ref reverses his decision, but doesn't restart the match like in the Gilbert match, he declares Idol the winner and new champion. Hansen touched 4 corners & Idol didn't touch any, but he's the winner for no reason. If it was a DQ then the title shouldn't have changed hands.



So now Idol and Hansen have a blowoff Bunkhouse Match no DQ... Hansen gets Idol on his back and tries to spear him with a "tire tool." Out of nowhere Promotor Eddie Marlin jumps Hansen to stop him from attacking Idol. Hanson pounds Marlin and leaves. So Hansen is DQed in a no DQ match for ALMOST doing something relatively tame. Marlin jumps up from his injuries and is OK and suspends Hansen.


It sucks because the matches were pretty good, but the booking sucked donkey cock.



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95% of EVERYTHING WWE has done since 2002. But then again, even WWE doesn't consider themselves wrestling. And they're right about that.



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Kevin Dunn
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Oh wait, I was thinking dumbshits in wrestling. My bad.



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Heel has face in abdominal stretch and uses the ropes for leverage. Instead of counting to five, ref kicks heel's arm, giving face advantage. Tommy Young used to do it a lot, and Aubrey Edwards did it on Wednesday night.



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Kriss wrote: Heel has face in abdominal stretch and uses the ropes for leverage. Instead of counting to five, ref kicks heel's arm, giving face advantage. Tommy Young used to do it a lot, and Aubrey Edwards did it on Wednesday night.
Gorilla Monsoon always went nuts over that spot as he had this weird gimmick of being a babyface announcer who hated referees.  He would scream bloody murder about "How dare the referee touch a wrestler!" and would always sound legit super pissed over it.



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Kriss wrote: Heel has face in abdominal stretch and uses the ropes for leverage. Instead of counting to five, ref kicks heel's arm, giving face advantage. Tommy Young used to do it a lot, and Aubrey Edwards did it on Wednesday night.That seemed to happen in every IRS match ever.
Mike Rotundo must have been the nicest bloke in wrestling ever, because he seemed to get work and pushes everywhere, despite being so soul-crushingly boring in the ring it's a wonder he never tunnelled to Australia.



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Kriss wrote: Heel has face in abdominal stretch and uses the ropes for leverage. Instead of counting to five, ref kicks heel's arm, giving face advantage. Tommy Young used to do it a lot, and Aubrey Edwards did it on Wednesday night.
Tommy Young did it with Flair a lot.  Flair would get to the ropes to break a submission hold he was caught in and Young would kick his hand or foot off.  How is that logical?  I love to see a baseball ump do that on a tag at home plate, just kick the catcher's mitt and call the runner safe.  I liked Tommy Young, but I hated a lot of his schtick with Flair.  They'd start shoving each other which should be, and often was an automatic DQ.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Kriss wrote: Heel has face in abdominal stretch and uses the ropes for leverage. Instead of counting to five, ref kicks heel's arm, giving face advantage. Tommy Young used to do it a lot, and Aubrey Edwards did it on Wednesday night.
Tommy Young did it with Flair a lot.  Flair would get to the ropes to break a submission hold he was caught in and Young would kick his hand or foot off.  How is that logical?  I love to see a baseball ump do that on a tag at home plate, just kick the catcher's mitt and call the runner safe.  I liked Tommy Young, but I hated a lot of his schtick with Flair.  They'd start shoving each other which should be, and often was an automatic DQ.

Flair liked Young and wanted to make him part of the matches, and basically sold for him as much as some of the jobbers he wrestled. You can say a lot of things about Flair, but he definitely wasn’t selfish. He gave way more than he ever should’ve. 



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