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What wrestlers either competed into different territories (one as a heel, one as a face) at the same time or left one territory as a face and arrived in a new territory as a heel (or vice versa) with no explanation for the change? Examples that I can think of:

Roddy Piper was a face in Mid Atlantic battling Greg Valentine in a popular feud highlighted by a dog collar match at Starrcade. Piper arrives in WWF as a heel manager - not yet a wrestler. If I remember correctly, I think Piper may have still been wrestling in Mid Atlantic as a face to finish out that contract while he was only managing in the WWF at the time.

I think David Von Erich and Kerry Von Erich were faces in Texas but also competed as heels in Florida for a while.


George "The Animal" Steele was previously a heel in the WWF but was brought in as a mystery partner for Dusty Rhodes in Georgia.

The Sheepherders was one of the most vicious tag teams with bloody brawls nearly every match. They come into the WWF as The Bushwhackers as a goofy face team.

Buzz Sawyer leaves Georgia after a successful face turn becoming tag team champion with his brother Brett Wayne Sawyer. Buzz enters the WWF as a heel "Bulldog" Buzz Sawyer (couldn't use "Mad Dog" since Mad Dog Vachon was also in the WWF at the time). His brother Brett also enters the WWF as a face and he jobs to everybody. I don't think their relationship is mentioned by the WWF.





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Bruiser Brody all the time I think.

All the NWA World champions by virtue of the position.

Jerry Lawler was simultaneously a heel in the WWF and a face in Memphis.



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Jake Roberts left Mid-South as a face and showed up in NY as a heel in 1986

Dick Slater left Mid-South as a heel and showed up in NY as a face in 1986



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The Powers of Pain left JCP as heels and joined the WWF as babyfaces.

Bret and Owen Hart and really any WWF guy, including Vince himself, were heels in USWA against Lawler.



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Hacksaw Duggan was a face in Mid-South, when he was storyline injured by Volkoff/Khrushchev, he went to Florida for a few months where he was a heel in Sullivan's stable.



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Probably good give dozens of examples if I stopped to think of it.

Baron Von Raschke, super lovable face in the AWA, goes to Crockett and is a heel.

Bundy was a face in the AWA teaming with Blackwell and then went to the WWF and was a heel.



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Roddy Piper was a face in Mid Atlantic then went to Florida for a few weeks as a heel.

Angelo Mosca was a face in Toronto  at the same time that he was a heel in The WWF, Florida and Mid Atlantic. That's the funniest one I think.

Roddy would usually start in a territory as a heel then turn face and eventually leave and start the routine again. Portland, Georgia , Mid Atlantic, WWF..

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Blazer wrote: Probably good give dozens of examples if I stopped to think of it.

Baron Von Raschke, super lovable face in the AWA, goes to Crockett and is a heel.

Bundy was a face in the AWA teaming with Blackwell and then went to the WWF and was a heel.
I thought Bundy was a heel in Memphis when he arrived in WWF?



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RIC FLAIR

Was a HUGE baby face in the Carolinas - Mid Atlantic and World Wide TV shows and was allied with Dusty Rhodes. But on TBS, he was as hated as they come (most weeks) and was trying to destroy Dusty. In the Apter mags, I think there was actually one month where Flair was in the top-3 of Most Popular and Most Hated. This all ended when he fought Nikita in the cage and Dusty came in to help him. Flair got in his face and the Andersons did a number on Stardust. So finally, Flair was rolling the same way pretty much everywhere. I never, ever understood the logic because TBS was on everywhere on cable, while some version of MACW/WWW was in syndication in most major markets and lots of smaller ones.



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In 1983-84 Angelo Mosca was a face in JCP and Toronto and a Heel in Florida simultaneously

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Superstar wrote: RIC FLAIR

Was a HUGE baby face in the Carolinas - Mid Atlantic and World Wide TV shows and was allied with Dusty Rhodes. But on TBS, he was as hated as they come (most weeks) and was trying to destroy Dusty. In the Apter mags, I think there was actually one month where Flair was in the top-3 of Most Popular and Most Hated. This all ended when he fought Nikita in the cage and Dusty came in to help him. Flair got in his face and the Andersons did a number on Stardust. So finally, Flair was rolling the same way pretty much everywhere. I never, ever understood the logic because TBS was on everywhere on cable, while some version of MACW/WWW was in syndication in most major markets and lots of smaller ones.

Crockett still ran the Georgia area towns as it's own territory for a while after taking over CWG and the TBS timeslots from Ole Anderson (and Vince). He had a crew that worked those towns (the Midnights and Cornette were booked on that end when they first started) and another crew in the Carolinas where the syndicated programs took precedence. Obviously some guys appeared on both TBS and MACW/WWW, but they were largely separate promotions until Flair turned full fledged heel on Dusty near the end of September 85 as they combined the roster and synced up the storylines on all the TV shows.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: What wrestlers either competed into different territories (one as a heel, one as a face) at the same time or left one territory as a face and arrived in a new territory as a heel (or vice versa) with no explanation for the change? Examples that I can think of:

Roddy Piper was a face in Mid Atlantic battling Greg Valentine in a popular feud highlighted by a dog collar match at Starrcade. Piper arrives in WWF as a heel manager - not yet a wrestler. If I remember correctly, I think Piper may have still been wrestling in Mid Atlantic as a face to finish out that contract while he was only managing in the WWF at the time.

I think David Von Erich and Kerry Von Erich were faces in Texas but also competed as heels in Florida for a while.


George "The Animal" Steele was previously a heel in the WWF but was brought in as a mystery partner for Dusty Rhodes in Georgia.

The Sheepherders was one of the most vicious tag teams with bloody brawls nearly every match. They come into the WWF as The Bushwhackers as a goofy face team.

Buzz Sawyer leaves Georgia after a successful face turn becoming tag team champion with his brother Brett Wayne Sawyer. Buzz enters the WWF as a heel "Bulldog" Buzz Sawyer (couldn't use "Mad Dog" since Mad Dog Vachon was also in the WWF at the time). His brother Brett also enters the WWF as a face and he jobs to everybody. I don't think their relationship is mentioned by the WWF.






Brett Wayne never joined Buzz in the WWF.

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Greg Valentine was a face wrestling Dick Slater in Mid-Atlantic and a heel in the WWF.

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Bill Dundee and Buddy Landell were heel partners in Memphis back in 1986, but then had a falling out with Buddy becoming a babyface. At the end of June, Buddy departed while still a babyface. Dundee, who'd remained a heel, stuck around two more weeks to drop a loser leaves town match to Jerry Lawler. Then the two of them debuted together for JCP on the August 2, 1986 edition of World Championship Wrestling as a team with Buddy now a heel minus a formal turn or explanation for what had happened in Memphis.

Raven and Stevie Richards became a duo in ECW in late 1994 with the latter as the former's geeky sidekick. In early 1997 Stevie broke away from Raven and the promotion started positioning him as less of a comedy guy and more of a serious wrestler as a babyface. Raven left for WCW in mid 1997 and Richards departed ECW not long afterwards. Both turned up in WCW at the same time with Stevie once again a geeky heel as Raven's toady.

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tamalie wrote: Raven and Stevie Richards became a duo in ECW in late 1994 with the latter as the former's geeky sidekick. In early 1997 Stevie broke away from Raven and the promotion started positioning him as less of a comedy guy and more of a serious wrestler as a babyface. Raven left for WCW in mid 1997 and Richards departed ECW not long afterwards. Both turned up in WCW at the same time with Stevie once again a geeky heel as Raven's toady.
WCW basically replayed the same Raven-Richards ECW angles from start to finish in fast-forward mode over the course of 3 months, and did it horribly.  It was peak WCW ineptness in every way.



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