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Blackjack Mulligan was a face in Florida but a heel in the AWA. He cut a heel promo on Florida TV that he was going to help out Henan. It lasted less than a match because Lanza got him to turn face during his first match back in the AWA.



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freebirdsforever2019 wroteBrett Wayne never joined Buzz in the WWF.
Oops! You are right - sorry for the misinformation. Looking at Brett Wayne Sawyer's results posted on cagematch.net, it doesn't look like he ever appeared in the WWF during his career. I wonder who I am confusing him with.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wroteBrett Wayne never joined Buzz in the WWF.
Oops! You are right - sorry for the misinformation. Looking at Brett Wayne Sawyer's results posted on cagematch.net, it doesn't look like he ever appeared in the WWF during his career. I wonder who I am confusing him with.
He was kinda the same shape as Rick McGraw, maybe you're mixing those two up.

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The 11/17/97 edition of the Observer had a news item about Stevie Richards quitting WCW on the basis of having fallen out with Raven and not wanting to work with him anymore as well as feeling the forced association meant he'd never get pushed and would be just another guy in The Flock. It certainly begs the question about what Stevie Richards expected from WCW given that he came in as Raven's lackey and had to have known that was the plan from the start. Stevie made about $30,000 for his four month WCW run in 1997.

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In 1988, Ronnie Garvin did a heel turn on Dusty in JCP, then continued heeling it up in a quick AWA stint with Greg Gagne. He then popped up in the WWF in late 88/early 89 as a face.

Sid Vicious/Justice was firmly a heel in WCW, but WWF suddenly made him a face. I think that was intentional, though, as I don't think there were kayfabe plans for him to play it straight, long-term.



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Sir Oliver Humperdink in 1987. Was the #1 heel manager in Florida, but suddenly shows up in the WWF as a babyface, ragging on Bobby Heenan.



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In 2002/3, TNA and ROH were sharing many of their top level wrestlers. I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure that Raven was simultaneously feuding and tagging with the same guy, and there were other examples.

The young Von Erich brothers were heels when they wrestled in Amarillo in the 70s. I believe that Fritz put a stop to this because Amarillo TV available in some of the more western World Class towns.



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Kriss wrote: In 2002/3, TNA and ROH were sharing many of their top level wrestlers. I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure that Raven was simultaneously feuding and tagging with the same guy, and there were other examples.

CM Punk I think. 



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Erick Von Erich wrote: Sid Vicious/Justice was firmly a heel in WCW, but WWF suddenly made him a face. I think that was intentional, though, as I don't think there were kayfabe plans for him to play it straight, long-term. Sid was allegedly promised the main event slot at WM against Hogan when he signed.



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Big Garea Fan wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wroteBrett Wayne never joined Buzz in the WWF.
Oops! You are right - sorry for the misinformation. Looking at Brett Wayne Sawyer's results posted on cagematch.net, it doesn't look like he ever appeared in the WWF during his career. I wonder who I am confusing him with.

I use wrestlingdata.com for stuff like that. Much easier to navigate. 

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tamalie wrote: The 11/17/97 edition of the Observer had a news item about Stevie Richards quitting WCW on the basis of having fallen out with Raven and not wanting to work with him anymore as well as feeling the forced association meant he'd never get pushed and would be just another guy in The Flock. It certainly begs the question about what Stevie Richards expected from WCW given that he came in as Raven's lackey and had to have known that was the plan from the start. Stevie made about $30,000 for his four month WCW run in 1997.
So he made as much in 4 months there then he did for a year in ECW.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Sir Oliver Humperdink in 1987. Was the #1 heel manager in Florida, but suddenly shows up in the WWF as a babyface, ragging on Bobby Heenan.
I remember that, but was he Sir Oliver Humperdink there?  I can't remember if he used that name or some other shit.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Erick Von Erich wrote: Sir Oliver Humperdink in 1987. Was the #1 heel manager in Florida, but suddenly shows up in the WWF as a babyface, ragging on Bobby Heenan.
I remember that, but was he Sir Oliver Humperdink there?  I can't remember if he used that name or some other shit.

He was just Oliver Humperdink minus the Sir. But he carried a giant scepter and wore some shiny colorful looking jacket.

Humperdink's departure from Florida, which was near the verge of being closed by Jim Crockett Promotions, also led to the end of the CWF "B" TV show called Southern Professional Wrestling, which he was hosting at the time. 



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Erick Von Erich wrote: Sir Oliver Humperdink in 1987. Was the #1 heel manager in Florida, but suddenly shows up in the WWF as a babyface, ragging on Bobby Heenan.
Nice, this one always puzzled me as a guy that had read about Humperdink in the mags as part of Sullivan's group in Florida.



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When Ric Flair was NWA Champ from 1981 to 1984 he was a face in Toronto but a heel in Florida, World Class, Georgia, St.Louis, Portland, etc.

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