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cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 



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The strange thing with AEW and their managers is that they only have one guy. I guess Taz now has two guys, but it's not like the Heenan Family, or Albano, Wizard and Blassie back in the day. Managers are there to do more than just talk. Cornette took a thousand bumps so his guys didn't have to, so they could stay strong. Heenan and Fuji could get in the ring if they needed to. A heel manager can have an effective feud with the top babyface, giving said babyface numerous different opponents without having to establish new feuds each time. See Ted DiBiase vs the Undertaker (not a great feud, but a good example of the style).



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wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Rollins I suppose can talk for this era in WWE when it comes to memorizing a 20 minute promo and reciting it slightly poorly instead of extremely poorly. So judging on a curve he’s average in 2020 and in the bottom 5% all-time. But even by today’s standards it’s a stretch to say he can talk well. Guys that aren’t even in a national promotion like Nick Aldis and Hanes Storm blow him away. 

Come to think of it, I really can’t think of a “good” promo in WWE right now. Not one. The WWE style is so pervasive that Jericho was probably the last one that was able to defeat it and seem interesting on the mic. Daniel Bryan has his moments but it’s been a long time since he’s even seemed like he cares. In WWE it just ranges from “he read that OK” (someone like McIntyre) to “My God he read that really badly” (like Misterio). 

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wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: victhestick wrote: I wouldn't be so quick to let AEW off the hook, they're in their own booking mess. Every time they bring a big guy in like Archer or Lee they run over a gang of smaller guys, and then they put them against someone already established like Moxley or Cody and they lose. Matt Hardy is already rebooting his gimmick. Eddie Kingston losing by submission in his debut was a questionable decision.
I didn't like Kingston tapping out either given his tough guy rep and the story they told about him.  A finish where he passed out instead of tapped out would've made much more sense.  That said, he's an unsigned indy guy against one of AEW's best, and there really is no guarantee that he's coming back.  So how far out of their way do they have to go to make him look good?

As far as Archer goes, he's very underutilized already and they should've had him destroy mid-carders much longer before finally losing to a top guy.  Now that he's already lost, they've booked him into a bit of a corner because he's too big and dominant to lose again anytime soon against a roster where even the top guys are half his size.

Similar thing with Lee where he's too big to job too often, but that whole Dark Order angle is a mess that isn't getting over, and he seems like a poor fit for that leadership role.  Sometimes the obvious is the best, and I would've so much preferred to see Christopher Daniels become the "Fallen Angel" again (even though everyone expected it) and manage that group as he's rarely wrestling anymore anyway.  Now they're trying to use Cabana's charisma to save the angle, but that's not working for me either.  It's easily the worst thing about AEW and everyone knows it.  Every company seems to need a Dungeon of Doom/Paul Jones' Army heel stable that no one wants to see and that lasts far too long, and this is it for AEW. 

There are other things too.  Joey Janela?  Why is he there?  He already no-showed once because he's a top paid indy talent who couldn't figure out why he should give that up to job on Dark every week, and he can't be much happier now that he's teaming with Sonny Kiss in an undercard tag team.  And yes, the women's division just flat-out sucks with the exception of Britt Baker's promos while she's injured.  And now they're starting a Women's Tag division too to compound the problem. 

So those are my issues with AEW.  However, AEW makes individual decisions that I don't agree with.  Their overall booking philosophy I think is sound, and in a short period of time they've clearly gotten over more guys than WWE has in 5 years.  I doubted they would after the first month of Dynamite, and I'm happy to see that I was proven wrong.  Guys like Sammy Guevera and Darby Allin who I didn't give two shits about in their first matches are now very interesting acts for the company, and big homegrown stars already.  So I don' think that it's about them getting a pass as much as it's about one company being a total booking disaster from the top for the past 20 years and the other company running with a handful of things that haven't clicked. 

I really enjoy Hikaru Shida. Best women's wrestler on the roster. The problem is with the women is that Brandi Rhodes is AEW's Stephane McMahon. She is involved in the division as a worker and she is absolutely dreadful as one.To have Allie with her is a disgrace to Allie. She should be a manager or figurehead and nothing else.  They have some decent wrestlers, who can't talk and that doesn't work with an American audience. Kenny Omega has no idea on how to book this revolving door of "talent" and they need someone else ASAP to take over.
I don't see Janela having any talent besides jumping off of tall things and doing stupid stuff. They already have Moxley, Omega( to a point) and others who over and folks care about. I think at this point Janela only has a job because if the Young Bucks and their friendship.

Brandi barely wrestles except on jobber matches on Dark.  She's not the reason the women's division has problems.  She's been involved in exactly 1 angle since AEW started and that wasn't going well so they dropped it quickly.  There is no comparison at all to Stephanie and the amount of TV time she's gotten. 

Interesting interview with CODY. Talking about Tessa Blanchard. CODY says that the Women's division is Omega, Brandi, Tony Kahn. https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/29554032/cody-rhodes-state-aew-tnt-title-open-challenge-mike-tyson-more

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

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tamalie wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

If anything the Young Bucks, Cody, and Omega have under-pushed themselves and were criticized for it at the beginning. Cody lost a stipulation where he’d never get another World title shot again almost on Day One and has sworn that he’ll stick by that. Jericho and Moxley have been pushed as the main eventers and have no previous connection to the guys in charge. I don’t know what else they can do. The Bucks put over Private Party and that team doesn’t belong in the same building as them at this point. 

As far as Vickie goes, she generated more heat during her time with WWE than probably anyone in the company in 20 years. Why wouldn’t AEW try to use her to get their awful women’s division over?  That sounds like a smart move, not something based on friendship. Vickie should be teaching Seth Rollins how to get heat. 

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srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

If anything the Young Bucks, Cody, and Omega have under-pushed themselves and were criticized for it at the beginning. Cody lost a stipulation where he’d never get another World title shot again almost on Day One and has sworn that he’ll stick by that. Jericho and Moxley have been pushed as the main eventers and have no previous connection to the guys in charge. I don’t know what else they can do. The Bucks put over Private Party and that team doesn’t belong in the same building as them at this point. 

As far as Vickie goes, she generated more heat during her time with WWE than probably anyone in the company in 20 years. Why wouldn’t AEW try to use her to get their awful women’s division over?  That sounds like a smart move, not something based on friendship. Vickie should be teaching Seth Rollins how to get heat. 

Moxley and Cody talked about leaving together. When Ambrose wanted out, he went to Cody about how much money you could really make in the indies at this time. Plus Ambrose & Jericho were friends as well. They played that up in the Ambrose/Jericho car angle. All they have done so far is to hire friends to their promotion. They are guys on the rosters that Omega is friends with even before the COVID that didn't get air time. The guys from Dragon Gate & DDT were always dark matches and/or AEW Dark.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

If anything the Young Bucks, Cody, and Omega have under-pushed themselves and were criticized for it at the beginning. Cody lost a stipulation where he’d never get another World title shot again almost on Day One and has sworn that he’ll stick by that. Jericho and Moxley have been pushed as the main eventers and have no previous connection to the guys in charge. I don’t know what else they can do. The Bucks put over Private Party and that team doesn’t belong in the same building as them at this point. 

As far as Vickie goes, she generated more heat during her time with WWE than probably anyone in the company in 20 years. Why wouldn’t AEW try to use her to get their awful women’s division over?  That sounds like a smart move, not something based on friendship. Vickie should be teaching Seth Rollins how to get heat. 

Moxley and Cody talked about leaving together. When Ambrose wanted out, he went to Cody about how much money you could really make in the indies at this time. Plus Ambrose & Jericho were friends as well. They played that up in the Ambrose/Jericho car angle. All they have done so far is to hire friends to their promotion. They are guys on the rosters that Omega is friends with even before the COVID that didn't get air time. The guys from Dragon Gate & DDT were always dark matches and/or AEW Dark.

 hate to break it to you but everyone knows everyone in the wrestling business.  This 6 degrees of Cody that you're playing in every thread is bizarre, especially since I can't imagine anyone thinking that Moxley and Jericho don't deserve to be the top guys in the company.  It's almost like you're jealous he hasn't hired you.



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srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

If anything the Young Bucks, Cody, and Omega have under-pushed themselves and were criticized for it at the beginning. Cody lost a stipulation where he’d never get another World title shot again almost on Day One and has sworn that he’ll stick by that. Jericho and Moxley have been pushed as the main eventers and have no previous connection to the guys in charge. I don’t know what else they can do. The Bucks put over Private Party and that team doesn’t belong in the same building as them at this point. 

As far as Vickie goes, she generated more heat during her time with WWE than probably anyone in the company in 20 years. Why wouldn’t AEW try to use her to get their awful women’s division over?  That sounds like a smart move, not something based on friendship. Vickie should be teaching Seth Rollins how to get heat. 

Moxley and Cody talked about leaving together. When Ambrose wanted out, he went to Cody about how much money you could really make in the indies at this time. Plus Ambrose & Jericho were friends as well. They played that up in the Ambrose/Jericho car angle. All they have done so far is to hire friends to their promotion. They are guys on the rosters that Omega is friends with even before the COVID that didn't get air time. The guys from Dragon Gate & DDT were always dark matches and/or AEW Dark.

 hate to break it to you but everyone knows everyone in the wrestling business.  This 6 degrees of Cody that you're playing in every thread is bizarre, especially since I can't imagine anyone thinking that Moxley and Jericho don't deserve to be the top guys in the company.  It's almost like you're jealous he hasn't hired you.

Never said that Moxley & Jericho don't deserve their current spots. What I'm saying is that Omega/Jericho/CODY/Young Bucks have said that this isn't going to be a promotion that hires our friends, just because they are our/my friend. The thing is, that's all they are doing. Trying to say that a guy like Chris Dickerson doesn't have a job in AEW but some of these lower-tire guys do? I can guarantee you that the Bucks/Omega and the rest of them know and know of Dickerson. It's simple, they are hiring people that really wouldn't have a spot if they weren't friends with one of the bosses.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: srossi wrote: tamalie wrote: freebirdsforever2019 wrote: wittman2 wrote: cookie32723 wrote: Funny thing about these guys as managers just proves what we have all been saying for decades now in that Vinces idea that managers are yesterday’s news is totally wrong. Take Brian Cage, as others have said he has benefited so much from having Taz as his mouthpiece. He looks the part and Taz helps him come across as a badass. Not so sure that would be the case if he were left to speak on his own. 

Or it proves his point in that most managers really aren't useful anymore. Most ugys can either talk (Rolllins, Mox, Jericho, etc) or they have recent former workers who know how to get the point across (Taz). There really isn't a middle ground, and AEW is kind of putting the wrong people together. Arn should be backstage and only brought out on rare occasions, same with Jake. If you give Jake a script or bullet points and a little time to prepare he can still give a great promo- but putting him out there live hasn't really done much.  Nalya Rose can kind of talk so why they put her with Vicky is kind of beyond me. And Spears and Tully on paper looked good, but Spears does most of the talking and Tully just stands there. Its like they have someone with dyslexia putting things together backwards. 

Vickie has a job with AEW because she is friends with Jericho. AEW is nepotism by friend and there is really no way they can deny that at this point.

I don't think most people have denied the nepotism. It hasn't been a big problem so far because the promotion isn't a year old yet and a changing of the guard typically does not and probably should not happen so soon. The time is going to eventually come when the top guys are going to need to give up their spots and get phased down in order to let someone else shine and so AEW can have some new blood and not get stale in the main event and semi main event scenes. Will the guys with office titles and booking pull be willing to step aside to let that change occur? Time will tell, but historically in pro wrestling the answer has been no.

If anything the Young Bucks, Cody, and Omega have under-pushed themselves and were criticized for it at the beginning. Cody lost a stipulation where he’d never get another World title shot again almost on Day One and has sworn that he’ll stick by that. Jericho and Moxley have been pushed as the main eventers and have no previous connection to the guys in charge. I don’t know what else they can do. The Bucks put over Private Party and that team doesn’t belong in the same building as them at this point. 

As far as Vickie goes, she generated more heat during her time with WWE than probably anyone in the company in 20 years. Why wouldn’t AEW try to use her to get their awful women’s division over?  That sounds like a smart move, not something based on friendship. Vickie should be teaching Seth Rollins how to get heat. 

Moxley and Cody talked about leaving together. When Ambrose wanted out, he went to Cody about how much money you could really make in the indies at this time. Plus Ambrose & Jericho were friends as well. They played that up in the Ambrose/Jericho car angle. All they have done so far is to hire friends to their promotion. They are guys on the rosters that Omega is friends with even before the COVID that didn't get air time. The guys from Dragon Gate & DDT were always dark matches and/or AEW Dark.

 hate to break it to you but everyone knows everyone in the wrestling business.  This 6 degrees of Cody that you're playing in every thread is bizarre, especially since I can't imagine anyone thinking that Moxley and Jericho don't deserve to be the top guys in the company.  It's almost like you're jealous he hasn't hired you.

Never said that Moxley & Jericho don't deserve their current spots. What I'm saying is that Omega/Jericho/CODY/Young Bucks have said that this isn't going to be a promotion that hires our friends, just because they are our/my friend. The thing is, that's all they are doing. Trying to say that a guy like Chris Dickerson doesn't have a job in AEW but some of these lower-tire guys do? I can guarantee you that the Bucks/Omega and the rest of them know and know of Dickerson. It's simple, they are hiring people that really wouldn't have a spot if they weren't friends with one of the bosses.

I follow the indy scene very closely and barely know who Dickinson is. How could signing him possibly be a smarter business decision than signing Zack Ryder. And what about Ricky Starks and all the other indy guys they’re giving opportunities too?  Is Starks Cody’s best friend too?  I’m sure they met somewhere at some time. 



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So Cody said there isn't a spot for Rusev, but they have spots for Zach Ryder? Michael Nagasaki? CIMA? The Butcher and the Blade? Fucking Ariane (Cameron from the Funkadacyls)??? She couldn't work a match to save her life in the WWE and AEW signs her??

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wittman2 wrote: So Cody said there isn't a spot for Rusev, but they have spots for Zach Ryder? Michael Nagasaki? CIMA? The Butcher and the Blade? Fucking Ariane (Cameron from the Funkadacyls)??? She couldn't work a match to save her life in the WWE and AEW signs her??
According to a Meltzer Ariane hasn’t been signed. She lives in Florida so she’s a “name” who’s local and they thought she’d be good to fill a slot in the tournament. AEW’s women’s division has been ravaged by travel restrictions. 



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wittman2 wrote: So Cody said there isn't a spot for Rusev, but they have spots for Zach Ryder? Michael Nagasaki? CIMA? The Butcher and the Blade? Fucking Ariane (Cameron from the Funkadacyls)??? She couldn't work a match to save her life in the WWE and AEW signs her??
Butcher & the Blade are a fine tag team. CIMA is really good, but stuck on Dark when he was here.

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This thread in a lot of ways shows how wrestling fans became whiny bitches much more than it says anything about the wrestling of today. Imagine in 1976 someone complaining that Eddie Graham brought in Dusty Rhodes because they’re friends.  The entire territory was system was built on 60 years of bringing in your crew who you were most comfortable with. 

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