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With Impact no longer being a threat, the two companies have been on very good terms for years now.  WWE uses Impact footage in return for advertising their subscription platform (which Melzter says helped them a ton) and for the first time ever WWE allowed Impact to use their footage to put over Ken Shamrock when he was being inducted into the Impact HOF. 

With Impact picking up so many of the released WWE guys, wouldn't it make more sense to keep them under WWE contract and loan them out to Impact during this difficult time, maybe splitting their pay or coming to some other sort of arrangement?    Then WWE would still have them under control and there would be chance of AEW getting anyone.  WWE could get plenty of other guys some TV time too by sending them to Impact instead of burying them on an NXT house show circuit that no longer exists.  And *gasp* Impact may actually help get some of these guys over.  ECW did with Al Snow back in the day (not that Don Callis is Paul Heyman).

Obviously Impact can't take many more guys and WWE just bought out EVOLVE, but still it certainly seems better than what's going on now.  WWE has so many guys under contract that even in the best of times they can't get 70% of them proper TV time.  Sending a different 5-10 guys to Impact every 6 months seems like a great idea to me.  And really they should do the same thing with ROH just to teach some guys how to work in a real environment if nothing else.



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I think it would be a great idea and it would peak my interest.


I’ve said it a bunch but the E needs to find a way freshen up its roster constantly and this would be a good starting point. Send people out, bring people in and move them around. If someone gets hot run with them until they cool and bounce them out.


ROH had become painfully dull Last time I watched So any new blood would be an immediate boost.



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Sounds like a good idea to me.  In fact, it sounds like something Triple H would really want to do as well.  At the very least, it might help Impact get a better tv deal while adding more content to the Network.  They've had AJ Styles, Angle, Flair, Hogan, Hall, Nash, McIntyre, a whole bunch of the younger guys (you guys all know, etc.).  If you are one of those fans who searches "Kurt Angle" on WWE Network, think about all of the new stuff that would be on there.  There must be a hurdle in there somewhere that we can't see from the outside looking in.  

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Boz1515 wrote: Sounds like a good idea to me.  In fact, it sounds like something Triple H would really want to do as well.  At the very least, it might help Impact get a better tv deal while adding more content to the Network.  They've had AJ Styles, Angle, Flair, Hogan, Hall, Nash, McIntyre, a whole bunch of the younger guys (you guys all know, etc.).  If you are one of those fans who searches "Kurt Angle" on WWE Network, think about all of the new stuff that would be on there.  There must be a hurdle in there somewhere that we can't see from the outside looking in.  

Al Snow is the only example of a guy they sent there under WWF contract who came back. I guess Droz as well, although I can't remember what Droz did in ECW, I know he was there for while. They tried to rehabilitate Furnas & LaFon, but nothing came of it, and even Paul Heyman couldn't accentuate the positives of Brakkus.

There will be many reasons why they can't do this today. They have investors and shareholders now. What if Impact ratings went up with new WWE contracted talent, while RAW numbers kept going down, what do they tell someone who asks why. This is all fantasy booking trying to bring back the territories. In 2020, WWE either has to own another wrestling entity or it is competition. There's no reason why WWE don't let any of their guys do tours of Japanese promotions, except for that they don't want to, so they would be even less inclined to send guys to Impact.

They also have this BS idea of learning to wrestle "WWE style." Not even talking about the fact that the punch-kick WWE style of wrestling sucks, they would want Impact to start implementing it so guys can be "TV ready."

Not arguing that it wouldn't be great for fans, but it ain't gonna happen.



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Kriss wrote: Boz1515 wrote: Sounds like a good idea to me.  In fact, it sounds like something Triple H would really want to do as well.  At the very least, it might help Impact get a better tv deal while adding more content to the Network.  They've had AJ Styles, Angle, Flair, Hogan, Hall, Nash, McIntyre, a whole bunch of the younger guys (you guys all know, etc.).  If you are one of those fans who searches "Kurt Angle" on WWE Network, think about all of the new stuff that would be on there.  There must be a hurdle in there somewhere that we can't see from the outside looking in.  

Al Snow is the only example of a guy they sent there under WWF contract who came back. I guess Droz as well, although I can't remember what Droz did in ECW, I know he was there for while. They tried to rehabilitate Furnas & LaFon, but nothing came of it, and even Paul Heyman couldn't accentuate the positives of Brakkus.

There will be many reasons why they can't do this today. They have investors and shareholders now. What if Impact ratings went up with new WWE contracted talent, while RAW numbers kept going down, what do they tell someone who asks why. This is all fantasy booking trying to bring back the territories. In 2020, WWE either has to own another wrestling entity or it is competition. There's no reason why WWE don't let any of their guys do tours of Japanese promotions, except for that they don't want to, so they would be even less inclined to send guys to Impact.

They also have this BS idea of learning to wrestle "WWE style." Not even talking about the fact that the punch-kick WWE style of wrestling sucks, they would want Impact to start implementing it so guys can be "TV ready."

Not arguing that it wouldn't be great for fans, but it ain't gonna happen.

It wouldn't just be great for the fans, it would be great for the talent and for WWE as well.  They keep complaining about how they can't get guys enough "reps" in front of a crowd.  They have way too many guys under contract doing nothing and never want to release anyone anymore (Covid releases notwithstanding).  They've already done it on a smaller scale with EVOLVE. 

And as far as stockholders go, they don't care.  WWE already has their TV deals locked in for a while and ratings mean nothing until the next negotiation.  Besides, no one WWE sends Impact would move the needle at all.  With all of the new guys Impact just brought in, according to PWTorch their viewership increased to 163,000 last week, less than 20,000 more than their average 2020 viewership of 145,000.  That's a great percentage increase for Impact but means nothing to anyone else because it's so small.  If WWE ever finds themselves in a position where they have to worry about 10,000 viewers here and there because it makes their own ratings look bad, then they're already a dead company.



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If nothing else, I think the WWE would want to eventually get its hands on the TNA/Impact tape library. For all the mockery and derision that promotion has deservedly received, a lot of big stars have been there and there have been some great matches as well. Missing chapters from WWE Network could be filled in for the careers of Sting, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, AJ Styles, Christian, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Bobby Roode, the New Age Outlaws, the Dudleys, Samoa Joe, Rob Van Dam, the Hardys, Bobby Lashley, and Jeff Jarrett. Jeremy Borash now works for the WWE, so they'd have the perfect curator on hand.

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tamalie wrote: If nothing else, I think the WWE would want to eventually get its hands on the TNA/Impact tape library. For all the mockery and derision that promotion has deservedly received, a lot of big stars have been there and there have been some great matches as well. Missing chapters from WWE Network could be filled in for the careers of Sting, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, AJ Styles, Christian, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Bobby Roode, the New Age Outlaws, the Dudleys, Samoa Joe, Rob Van Dam, the Hardys, Bobby Lashley, and Jeff Jarrett. Jeremy Borash now works for the WWE, so they'd have the perfect curator on hand.

The WWE Network is dead. They are just about keeping the wheels turning and I am sure it is profitable, but I really can't see them adding huge quantities of old wrestling to the site as they used to. I don't think adding even the complete TNA archive would get them many new subscribers, let alone he frustration of adding it slowly. If the premium tier ever happens, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.



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Kriss wrote: tamalie wrote: If nothing else, I think the WWE would want to eventually get its hands on the TNA/Impact tape library. For all the mockery and derision that promotion has deservedly received, a lot of big stars have been there and there have been some great matches as well. Missing chapters from WWE Network could be filled in for the careers of Sting, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, AJ Styles, Christian, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Bobby Roode, the New Age Outlaws, the Dudleys, Samoa Joe, Rob Van Dam, the Hardys, Bobby Lashley, and Jeff Jarrett. Jeremy Borash now works for the WWE, so they'd have the perfect curator on hand.

The WWE Network is dead. They are just about keeping the wheels turning and I am sure it is profitable, but I really can't see them adding huge quantities of old wrestling to the site as they used to. I don't think adding even the complete TNA archive would get them many new subscribers, let alone he frustration of adding it slowly. If the premium tier ever happens, maybe, but I'd bet heavily against it.

WWE Network is dead because Vince inexplicably decided to kill it.  It makes no sense to me.  They went from being gung-ho about adding tiered subscriptions at higher price points late last year and adding vast quantities of new material to just giving up on the whole concept, which quite frankly was the only good idea Vince had the last 20 years and was his one visionary moment when he really saw the future of "TV" (or the non-future of TV that is streaming) and got a jump on it before everyone else did.  I guess they never hit their target numbers and that soured him on it, but to completely give up like they have is ridiculous. 

NXT was moved to USA, 205 Live has become a 25 minute jobber show, and NXT UK hasn't aired a new episode in months.  Other than The Last Ride and PPVs, I don't think I've watched anything on WWE Network since quarantine began.  And the PPVs are just so hideously bad that I'm beginning to question my $9.99 investment, which a few years ago seemed like a steal.   



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Who knows? WWE Network as it was at the time of its 2014 launch was quite different from what it had become by 2017 and it is different from both of those years now in 2020. I expect that it will be different in 2023 and beyond. There has been a constant evolution in the platform over the past six plus years and it is hard to take the status quo at any given point as a definitive and inflexible blueprint for what WWE Network will be down the line. Change can and has come due to strategic planning and simple whims by execs.

There is always going to be a need for more content and more subscribers. I don't think the WWE being interested buying TNA's tape library can be written off completely, in the event it ever comes up for sale. I share the frustration over the slow pace at which content has been released. However, from a business standpoint, that need for something new and different over the long haul means that a massive dump of say four full years from a given promotion makes less sense than doling out slowly.

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The Network is dead because their only first run product that is worth watching are the "PPVs" (and less so as the months go by) and sporadic documentaries. Their premium product is shown a month late. Would you su scribe to a sports streaming service that made you wait a month to watch anything? Why do you think Netflix invest so much on original programming? If they had 4m subscribers, maybe they would add more content, but they are running on empty right now.



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WWE should just buy or license the TNA/Impact library for the network.There really isn't any talent in TNA/Impact that hasn't already a) been in the WWE and either was fired, misused, or just left, or b) doesn't fit the WWE mold, like the OI4K group. The library is where any money would be made by the E



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Kriss wrote: The Network is dead because their only first run product that is worth watching are the "PPVs" (and less so as the months go by) and sporadic documentaries. Their premium product is shown a month late. Would you su scribe to a sports streaming service that made you wait a month to watch anything? Why do you think Netflix invest so much on original programming? If they had 4m subscribers, maybe they would add more content, but they are running on empty right now.

I doubt we will agree about this, so I'll make this my final word barring any direct questions. That the status quo is not favorable to classic content does not mean that the future is now permanently set. For better and worse, the WWE has constantly evolved, often pivoting with no notice and with little to no regard for what has been done before. Not long ago it was generally considered completely out of the question that TNT would ever air pro wrestling again, given the way WCW was booted off that network and TBS in 2001 as well as the low likelihood of a major league wrestling product even being available for airing. You never know what can happen.

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